bigfrancis21:


Lollll. This man lacks comprehension abilities. I told him Igbo language is nasalized (and some dialects are well nasalized such as Owerri and Ngwa) but not as Yoruba language, yet he keeps bringing out evidence that says it is nasalized, just as I said before. Oh Israel, what breed of Nigerians do we have today.

http://www.africa.uga.edu/Yoruba/phonology.html

Funny he has not furnished evidence that proves Igbo is more nasalized than Yoruba language but articles list Yoruba among nasalized languages in the world.

bigfrancis21:


Lol. Those words are not nasal words. Quit with the folly already. Igbo is not as nasalized as Yoruba language.

lawani:
Oyibo oji means black whiteman not black foreigners. For example Mike Tyson, Tu pac and etc are Oyibo Oji to us because to us, they are no different from whitemen save that they are black. Nothing like oyibo oji meaning black foreigners or oyibo ocha meaning white foreigners. Am I Oyibo oji to you then? Does it even make sense?

bigfrancis21:


LOL. A foreigner trying to tell Igbos how to speak their language or interpret their language. Lol.

Oyibo ojii in that context meant 'black westerners' or 'blacks from a westernized land'. Ajayi and Taylor were both dark-skinned, thus the 'ojii'. Maybe had they been light-skinned, they would have been called just 'oyibo' only.

lawani:


Who were the people called Oyibo oji among Igbos? They are non Igbo black missionaries and District officers. They spoke Victorian English and dressed in suits and hats. They were white men save the color of their skin. To me, an American is Oyibo, given the accent and mannerism. So that is it. Intellectual discourse should be for self development and once something has been established firmly you have no reason to be opposing it.

bigfrancis21:


From my understanding, the Onitsha people referred mostly to the Sierra Leonean missionaries, who were of Igbo ancestry and spoke Isuama Igbo but dressed and behaved like the whites, and Ajayi Crowther as 'oyibo ojii', 'oyibo' in the sense that they were westernized or behaved like the Europeans and 'Ojii' in the sense that they were blacks, natives or 'Igbos'. These Igbo Sierra Leoneans assisted Ajayi Crowther, who only spent a few weeks in Onitsha, in communications between him and the Onitsha people and assisted in Christian Igbo instruction to the Onitsha people.

Igboid:
How can a Yoruba man say that Igbo language is nasalized?
This is the joke of the century.
The one reason why I hate Yoruba language is that it's over nasalized.

Sometimes I wonder what's wrong with a Yoruba mind, it accuses people of everything it is many times guilty of.

bigfrancis21:


@op...except for Oyibo which is the word in Igbo, I have never seen any Igbo person claim the other words to be Igbo. Akata might be debatable because it has similar meaning in Igbo.

lawani:


I broke it down for you as the old man did. It is a compound word. Igbos call white people Onye ocha while Yoruba call them Oyibo. You just like unnecessary debate. Igbos in the past were like the Koma people discovered not long ago in Adamawa. They never saw a white man until relatively recently whereas Yorubas have known white people since forever hence the name Oyibo which means those depigmented by the breeze. Yoruba use many Igbo words like Una, fufu and many others but Oyibo is not one of them. A word we have been using for thousands of years!.


Yorubas have been dealing with Europeans for over 500 years, going back and forth between West Africa, Americas and Europe. We have been dealing with Arabs since forever. There were normally Arab residents in Yoruba cities. Yoruba were traders, going to North Africa and etc dressed as Arabs. They dealt with Celts, Tuaregs, Moors and etc. So they were using that word all that time that no single free Igbo was outside Igbo land.

Then we differentiate between Oyibos, Oyibo Geesi is British, Faranse is French, Potogi is Portuguese. Portuguese was spoken well by many Yoruba in the past up till the 19th century. I will say the Germans were the Agudas. Arabs are Larubawa and etc.

macof:


you are right, yorubas were very well connected with the rest of the world

Brazilians and Catholics are Aguda. as Amaro are Spanish speaking people
funny how "Amaro" actually means liqueur in Spanish...that shows that the Yoruba and Spain traded a lot on liqueur

lawani:


But what are Germans? Germans were the most prominent contemporaries of the British in West Africa. Why Aguda o je labe Geesi and not Amaro o je labe Geesi? And the Spanish really were not here, they were in the Americas more. Their era was before the English and the Germans.

AjaanaOka:


Were Germans ever a prominent feature in Yorubaland in the past? Didn't think so. Why then would there be a word for them?

It was Yoruba returnees who had been slaves in Cuba (a Spanish-speaking country) that had the 'Amaro' tag, not necessarily the Spaniards.

lawani:


The first Europeans here were the Portuguese then our people were going to Europe and the Americas, so they knew the Spanish but later on by the 17th, 18th century, the Germans, English, French and etc took over. Togo, Cameroon and etc were formerly held by Germans. Togo and Ghana went from the hands of the Oyo to essentially the Germans who were later driven out by the British as an aftermath of the two great wars.

YourNemesis:


You said clearly youself here that igbo is NOT NASAL



NOW you are saying Igbo is nasalized, and others are well nasalised.
I showed you the various nasalized alphabets in Igbo... but then you are tilting the line of argument to just NASAL VOWELS. Of which Yoruba has just 1... nasal N. All those words you cited all end in that one nasal N. Nasal consonants in standard Igbo alone are more than 5. A very good number of Igbo words contain any combination of these nasal consonants, as demonstrated by the short sentence I asked you to translate earlier. Of which Yoruba has ZER0.
If you still don't know the more nasal language ... you are only denying.

lawani:


The first Europeans here were the Portuguese then our people were going to Europe and the Americas, so they knew the Spanish but later on by the 17th, 18th century, the Germans, English, French and etc took over. Togo, Cameroon and etc were formerly held by Germans. Togo and Ghana went from the hands of the Oyo to essentially the Germans who were later driven out by the British as an aftermath of the two great wars.

Abagworo:


Be careful what you write son. Many of us are versed in African history and here is not for fairytale or figments of your imagination. Togo ko Ghana ni.

lawani:


YOUNG MAN, YOU ARE NOT VERSED IN HISTORY, YOU ARE INFACT UNEDUCATED IN THAT SECTOR! AS A MATTER OF FACT YORUBAS HAD BEEN DEALING WITH EUROPEANS FOR ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE KNOWING THERE ARE PEOPLE CALLED IGBOS, EFIK, CALABAR ETC. AS AT EARLY 19TH CENTURY, THE WHOLE OF THE WEST AFRICAN COAST COMPRISING GHANA, TOGO, BENIN REPUBLIC AND YORUBA NIGERIA WERE ONE FEDERATION WITH HEADQUARTERS IN OYO ILE. MOST OF YOU ARE JUST IGNORANT AND UNEDUCATED.

Probz:


And I guess the 15th-century contact the oyibos/Portuguese had with the Niger Deltans (Ijo and Ishekiri), well preceding the 1800s, counts for sweet fu*k all, abi?

And I'm not being funny but is there any need for the caps? Why are you shouting down the poor dude at 4am?

funmijoyb:
Yeeeebos must u focefully attached to other people's culture and hate yours?

Here are the words igbo writers claims is theirs all over the internet:

1.Oyinbo or Oyibo; Peeled skin or white Animals
2. Akata; Wild, Sturborn, black American or Nigerian American
3.Ogbeni Mr Man
4.Ashewo, asewo or Ashawo.
5.Wahala Problem
6.Abi; "Question mark"
7.Shebi; is it?
8.Pele; please
9.Omo; Child
10.Oja; Market
11.Shey is it?
12.Mumu
13, Ode

More

lawani:


WHEN YOU SAY ITSEKIRI OR BENIN, WE ARE STILL SAYING THESAME THING AS YORUBA. THERE ARE IJAWS ON THE YORUBA SIDE AS INDIGENES BUT NO IJAW SOVEREIGNTY ON THIS SIDE BEFORE COLONISATION. IJAW SOVEREIGNTY OCCURRED ONLY IN THE EASTERN SIDE AND IT BECAME PROMINENT AFTER THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION BECAUSE THEY CONTROLLED A PORTION OF THE PALM OIL TRADE. THEY INFACT CONTROLLED PALM OIL SALES TO EUROPEANS. THE KINGDOM OF IWERE (WARRI) IS PART OF THE YORUBA I SPOKE ABOUT AND THAT KINGDOM CONTAINED URHOBO, IJAW AND ETC AS WELL.

Probz:


I can't take seriously a nigga who chooses to type exclusively in caps. Remove am, abeg. It doesn't make you sound any more knowledgeable or enlightened but quite the opposite.

Where the hell did I mention Bini?

lawani:


WHEN A LIE IS ALMOST BECOMING A TRUTH (LIKE RELIGION) BECAUSE OF ENDLESS REPETITION, THEN TO QUASH IT, YOU NEED A LEVEL OF AGGRESSION, EVEN IF ONLY CAPS LOCK!. I MENTION BENIN BECAUSE ITSEKIRI AND BENIN ARE THESAME. WE OWE IT A DUTY TO LEAVE A PROPER LEGACY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION AND AS THINGS ARE, THINGS ARE BEEN TURNED UPSIDE DOWN RATHER THAN BEING UPHELD! PROPER RENDITION OF HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT, IT IS AN ACADEMIC DUTY, A SACRED ONE.

Probz:


I guess the majority of us have been labouring under an illusion for all our lives and that Itsekiri na Edo be the same ethnic group. Wow. Any other adulterated "facts" (aka outright lies) you wan tell us this night?

lawani:


YOUNG MAN, YOU ARE NOT VERSED IN HISTORY, YOU ARE INFACT UNEDUCATED IN THAT SECTOR! AS A MATTER OF FACT YORUBAS HAD BEEN DEALING WITH EUROPEANS FOR ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE KNOWING THERE ARE PEOPLE CALLED IGBOS, EFIK, CALABAR ETC. AS AT EARLY 19TH CENTURY, THE WHOLE OF THE WEST AFRICAN COAST COMPRISING GHANA, TOGO, BENIN REPUBLIC AND YORUBA NIGERIA WERE ONE FEDERATION WITH HEADQUARTERS IN OYO ILE. MOST OF YOU ARE JUST IGNORANT AND UNEDUCATED.

A NOBLEMAN of Ile-Ife had a beautiful and virtuous wife named Moremi, and a handsome young son, Ela.

 The country of the Ifes was at that time subject to fierce raids by a tribe called the Igbos, who were of such an uncanny appearance in battle that the Ifes thought them not human, but a visitation sent by the gods in punishment for some evil. In vain did they offer sacrifices to the gods; the raids of these strange beings continued, and the land was thrown into a state of pamc.

 Now the heroic Moremi, desiring to bring an end to this condition of affairs, resolved to let herself be captured during one of the raids, so that she might be p. 15 carried as a prisoner to the land of the Igbos and learn all their secrets.

 Bidding farewell to her husband and her little son, she went to a certain stream and promised the god of the stream that, if her attempt was successful, she would offer to him the richest sacrifice she could afford.

 As she had planned, she was captured by the Igbos and carried away to their capital as a prisoner. On account of her beauty she was given to the King of the Igbos as a slave; and on account of her intelligence and noble heart she soon gained the respect of all and rose to a position of importance.

 Before she had been in the country very long, she had learnt all the secrets of her enemies. She found that they were not gods but ordinary men. On going into battle they wore strange mantles of grass and bamboo fibre, and this accounted for their unnatural appearance. She also learned that because of these mantles of dry grass, they were much afraid of fire, and that if the Ifes were to rush among p. 16 them with lighted torches, they would quickly be defeated. As soon as it was possible, she escaped from the palace and from the territory of the Igbos and returned to her own people. Her tidings were joyfully received at Ile-Ife, and shortly afterwards the Igbos were utterly defeated by the trick Moremi had suggested.

 Moremi now went to the stream and made a great sacrifice of sheep, fowls, and bullocks; but the god of the stream was not satisfied and demanded the life of her son.

 Sorrowing, Moremi was forced to consent, and sacrificed the handsome boy Ela. The Ifes wept to see this sad spectacle, and they promised to be her sons and daughters for ever, to make up for her loss.

 But lo! Ela as he lay upon the ground was only half dead, and when the people had departed, he recovered consciousness and sprang up. Making a rope of grass, he climbed up to heaven, and it is certain that he will some day return to reap the benefits of his mother’s noble sacrifice.

A Reporter, who seemed not clear with that statement asked: “Kabiyesi, is it Ugbo or the Ibos?” to which the Ooni replied, “It is the Ibos; here the real Ibos have a compound in Ife, the Oluyeri compound in Iremo, where the Igbo language is spoken. They are from Ife and you can trace many of them from Ife to Benin to Ibo land. Some of them will say they are from the Middle East but the people from the Middle East, left from Ife”.

bigfrancis21:


How can you say Yorubas had no idea about Igbos when Yoruba folklore says that Igbos were the original settlers in Ife before they were conquered and pushed further east?




http://unicpress.com/2016/12/11/yoruba-history-ooni-ife-olugbo-ugbo-disagree/

Igbos and Yorubas have been dealing since time immemorial!

bigfrancis21:


How can you say Yorubas had no idea about Igbos when Yoruba folklore says that Igbos were the original settlers in Ife before they were conquered and pushed further east?




http://unicpress.com/2016/12/11/yoruba-history-ooni-ife-olugbo-ugbo-disagree/

Igbos and Yorubas have been dealing since time immemorial!

cooljude:


It's not the south eastern Igbo.

Unknown to many, not all the Igbo aborigines of Ife followed Prince Chima, later Eze Chima out to their Anioma/Benin axis/ was sold into slavery to make up today’s Lucumi of the Americas/ assimilated into the culture of the Yorubas.

Some remain today in Ife, and are known as Iwinrin, Oluyare or Igare.

Kudos to the Yorubas who have encouraged peaceful coexistence with the Oluyare Igbos.

These Igbos live around Iwinrin, which has been described by Yoruba elders as Igbo town, and their chief is called Obawinrin.

They still play a very important role in Ife culture today, including in the famous Itapa Festival.

The Obawinrin is appointed by the Ooni of Ife.

Remember we have told you a lot about the Olukumis who followed Prince Chima, and we have also told you about the ones that were sold by their conquerors into slavery. We have told you that some of them remained and assimilated into the Yoruba race. These Oluyares are the ones that still maintain a presense in Ife till today.