Empiree:
Something just came to my mind now. Do the ahadith posted by op apply to the rebels fighting Bashar Assad?

Remember the hadith said to be patient even if ruler take their rights from them, many of you brothers support the rebels agaisnt Assad.

So by your logic, did you all forget to quote these ahadith when you were defending those criminals?

Are the ahadith not relevant or applicable to those n!ggas?

You consider Bashar Assad to be evil but the ahadith say no matter what, citizens MUST obey them. So why do you support the rebels?. Isn't this double standard?

Also, Qatar was on the side of the rebels in 2011 and bombed Gadafi's men. Did Qatar not aware of these ahadith before siding with the rebels which today turned Libya into a war crazy country and even killed their leader?.

Why is this double standard?

See, i told you before. the hadith is not talking about "peaceful protest". It is talking about exactly what those rebels are doing in Syria and Libya. Why are they not patient until Allah's Order?.

Remember many of you brothers support rebels against Assad. You have said they are persecuted by Assad and they should respond. You forgot these ahadith then or you are just being sectarian?

What they did against Qaddafi and Assad is not protest. It is rebellion. It was protest at out start until they turned it to something else.

Empiree:
Something just came to my mind now. Do the ahadith posted by op apply to the rebels fighting Bashar Assad?

Remember the hadith said to be patient even if ruler take their rights from them, many of you brothers support the rebels agaisnt Assad.

So by your logic, did you all forget to quote these ahadith when you were defending those criminals?

AbuuBilaal:
Chapter

Hadith no :6909


Narrated `Abdullah:

Allah''''s Apostle said to us, "You will see after me, selfishness (on the part of other people) and other matters that you will disapprove of." They asked, "What do you order us to do, O Allah''''s Apostle? (under such circumstances)?" He said, "Pay their rights to them (to the rulers) and ask your right from Allah."


Chapter

Hadith no :6910

Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

The Prophet said, "Whoever disapproves of something done by his ruler then he should be patient, for whoever disobeys the ruler even a little (little = a span) will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance. (i.e. as rebellious Sinners).

Chapter

Hadith no :6911

Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

The Prophet said, "Whoever notices something which he dislikes done by his ruler, then he should be patient, for whoever becomes separate from the company of the Muslims even for a span and then dies, he will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic period of Ignorance (as rebellious sinners). (Fath-ul-Bari page 112, Vol. 16)

Empiree:
Brothers, please, Muslims are not homogeneous people

Nigeria is not 100% Muslim nation

Those ahadith are obviously said in majority Muslim area and it applies accordingly.

Please people, try and understand Islam in its totality with TIME

If an anti-Islam president is elected in Nigeria and he trumps upon Muslims rights especially in a way that impacts your religion, you have to create awareness and be heard. you can not just lay dump and expect Allah to help. Please for crying out loud, you have to understand Islam in its proper context. Muslims are not ALL alike.

Ahadith you quoted are in the context of Islamic govt. Bukhari is not Islamic govt. He represents diversities. .

AbuuBilaal:
Chapter

Hadith no :6914

Narrated Usaid bin Hudair:

A man came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah''''s Apostle! You appointed such-and-such person and you did not appoint me?" The Prophet said, "After me you will see rulers not giving you your right (but you should give them their right) and be patient till you meet me."

AbuuBilaal:


Protest is not equal to demanding your rights

Protest is equal to destabilizing a government, it's equal to embarrassing your leaders, it's equal to rebuking your rulers, it's a plot of Shaitan to put enmity between the leaders and followers.

If two baba or whatever had a sincere intention and really cared about the people he would mobiles other icons like himself and visit Buhari, and speak to him, and admonish him. 2face has not the interest of the masses in mind, it's all a political plot. Don't make yourself a pawn piece in this battle between political parties, please brother.

kabytexin:
; pls lets be sincere to ourselves. Bro pls did you say thesame thing when there was a protest against gej regime? Or you are just saying this because buhari is a muslim? Are you talking about thesame democracy that is fully against islam in all ramification? Bro pls stop this all you quoted is not for Democratic leader but sharia.

AbdelKabir:


Is this how you demand for right in islam, is this known to Muslims? this idea of "protest" was copied from the mushriks.

AbuuBilaal:


Okay, I'll be perfectly honest with myself and you, I never supported the protest against GEJ. Some Muslim clerics joined the protest against GEJ I remember, I and my colleagues rebuked their deviation.
Satisfied?!

Yes, democracy is a system disapproved in Islam, but once he becomes the leader even through it, we accept our fate by obedience and advice.

Even if he got to the post through rebellion (which is even greater a crime than protest) we will obey him because not doing so will lead to spilling of blood which is one of the five basic things Islam has come to safeguard.

So, he will account for his leadership (how he got there and how he used it) with Allah, so also we will account for our obedience to him

AbuuBilaal:


Protest is not equal to demanding your rights

Protest is equal to destabilizing a government, it's equal to embarrassing your leaders, it's equal to rebuking your rulers, it's a plot of Shaitan to put enmity between the leaders and followers.

If two baba or whatever had a sincere intention and really cared about the people he would mobiles other icons like himself and visit Buhari, and speak to him, and admonish him. 2face has not the interest of the masses in mind, it's all a political plot. Don't make yourself a pawn piece in this battle between political parties, please brother.

AbuuBilaal:


In Islam the way of correcting leaders is by calling them privately and admonishing them. This can be done by sending religious leaders and other respected peronalities to them to admonish them and counsel them.

This is what Islam preaches, this is the methodology of Islam in dealing with rulers.

The reality is that no one likes his mistakes being mentioned in public, no one likes being admonished and corrected in the presence of multitudes, the same thing applies to rulers, if you advise them privately, in shaa Allah they are more likely to yield. But ranting in the public is a very wrong methodology. Imagine if you are the head of a department and you are being protested against, how would you feel.

Unfortunately, this method of protest that has been inspired by Shaitan to his friends among the disbelievers is the only way many people including many Muslims see as the right way.

In Saudi, for instance, what I said is what is being practiced, many people think the people of the country are stupid or something, but their religious leaders continuously admonish their leaders in private to take care of the masses, so also they admonish the masses to obey their leaders even if they see some faults in them. Nobody is perfect, and anyone who has ever held a post of authority will know how difficult it is.

Lastly, this protest is not free from political influences, the people sponsoring it are only trying to turn the people against their government so as to attract them to their political party. Any wise person will see it.
Though I'm not a politician but the plots and deception of politicians is too obvious to be hidden.

People shouldn't make themselves pawn pieces for political swines.

May Allah increase us in steadfastness upon the sunnah.

Empiree:
Something just came to my mind now. Do the ahadith posted by op apply to the rebels fighting Bashar Assad?

Remember the hadith said to be patient even if ruler take their rights from them, many of you brothers support the rebels agaisnt Assad.

So by your logic, did you all forget to quote these ahadith when you were defending those criminals?

Are the ahadith not relevant or applicable to those n!ggas?

You consider Bashar Assad to be evil but the ahadith say no matter what, citizens MUST obey them. So why do you support the rebels?. Isn't this double standard?

Also, Qatar was on the side of the rebels in 2011 and bombed Gadafi's men. Did Qatar not aware of these ahadith before siding with the rebels which today turned Libya into a war crazy country and even killed their leader?.

Why is this double standard?

See, i told you before. the hadith is not talking about "peaceful protest". It is talking about exactly what those rebels are doing in Syria and Libya. Why are they not patient until Allah's Order?.

Remember many of you brothers support rebels against Assad. You have said they are persecuted by Assad and they should respond. You forgot these ahadith then or you are just being sectarian?

What they did against Qaddafi and Assad is not protest. It is rebellion. It was protest at out start until they turned it to something else.

EazyMoh:

Assalamu alaiykum, I've been following your discussion, but can't help to disagree with you.
You see of every command the prophet gave, it must have been the very best solution for such a problem.
Ironically the Syrian example you gave and any other upraising and insurgency in Muslim countries can be traced to the so called "PEACEFUL PROTEST" it may give a temporary solution like the OP admitted and like you pointed out, but it's never the best solution. Mind you even Shi'a started as a peaceful protest and today the Muslim world is devastated from Iraq to Syria to Turkey to Libya all because a people were instigated to go out on the street and protest against their leaders. Today what would you prefer they do? Be patient and try to keep sending delegations to give Nasiha to leaders like Gaddafi, Al Assad and Saddam (notwithstanding their faults) or trooped the streets like they did?
They chose the former and am sure they are now regretting it.
And no m

tintingz:
Ignorant is a disease.

Most of these countries that fought wars are under a dictatorship ruler. They practice an autocratic, totalitarian system of government.

Dictators don't hear the people's cries instead they attack the people that's what causes most of these civil wars.

Check out all the wars in history, it happens under military rulers.(dictators). If not for the people's voice and UN intervene that made most these countries to be democratic, there will be series of world wars.

Next time know the different between PROTEST and REBELLION.

tintingz:

You should have being living in the time of Adolf Hitler.

Keep waiting for imaginary miracle.

AbuuBilaal:


The halal of Allah is halal in every time and place, so also the Haram of Allah is Haram in every time and place.

AbuHammaad:
Protests never result to anything but chaos and doom. And even when it works, it's usually temporary. Things will still return back to square one

EazyMoh:

Oh so now the only government that is capable of maltreating it's people is only a DICTORTORSHIP? what a joke!

You are telling us as long as it's a democracy then all is well.

But what happen to Muhammad Morsi's government? Wasn't he democratically elected?

All of these REBELLIONS as you called them started as a peaceful protest even world war II!

The wisdom behind discouraging the protest is that will most certainly escalate to chaos and disorderliness and at the end it's the same impatient masses that will suffer it more than the leaders.

I don't know whether you are a Muslim, But obedience to constituted authority in Islam can never be over emphasized. And the worst thing followers could do is to rebel against a government, and the first step to rebellion is open protest.

uvalued:


hmm the arab spring uprising comes to mind..such a wrong move to dethrone their leaders.

tintingz:
A democratic government can maltreat the people but the difference is you can sue the government for Justice which can never happen under a dictator ruler.

It is not about all is well it is about freedom.

Morsi was a military man before he became a civilian just like Obasanjo. Morsi used his military influence to implement a totalitarian law.
Read

As president, Morsi issued a temporary constitutional declaration in late November that in effect granted him unlimited powers and the power to legislate without judicial oversight or review of his acts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Morsi

Morsi was acting like a dictator and this led to the protest. A military man overthrown and crisis started, you can how dictatorship is the cause of most wars?


I've given you how wars started above, protest are hijacked by terrorists, militants just like how the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt hijacked the protest, fighting against the military ruler in Egypt.

Again there are different between protest and rebellion.

You can protest for anything, the blacks and women got thier right and freedom through protest, We shouldn't be stoic.

Correction, not all protest lead to chaos, in fact protest has done good to the people.

First, is Nigeria a Muslim country?

Did boko haram started as an open protest? Are they not rebelling against the government because of an imaginary Islamic state?

Did U.S court not suspend the travel ban raised by trump through protest?

Where does the Quran go against protesting?

EazyMoh:

I suspected you weren't a Muslim in the first place.
Well this is an Islamic topic not a political opinion. The OP has given many ahadith and there are many more which command a great deal of patience and restrain in the part of followers. Muslims are not allowed to carry out any form civil disobedience.

EazyMoh:

Assalamu alaiykum, I've been following your discussion, but can't help to disagree with you.
You see of every command the prophet gave, it must have been the very best solution for such a problem.
Ironically the Syrian example you gave and any other upraising and insurgency in Muslim countries can be traced to the so called "PEACEFUL PROTEST" it may give a temporary solution like the OP admitted and like you pointed out, but it's never the best solution. Mind you even Shi'a started as a peaceful protest and today the Muslim world is devastated from Iraq to Syria to Turkey to Libya all because a people were instigated to go out on the street and protest against their leaders. Today what would you prefer they do? Be patient and try to keep sending delegations to give Nasiha to leaders like Gaddafi, Al Assad and Saddam (notwithstanding their faults) or trooped the streets like they did?
They chose the former and am sure they are now regretting it.
And no matter how you try to keep a protest peaceful, it's highly likely that it gets hijacked by criminals, and as a participant you carry some degree of responsibility. And at the end it's the out come that matters.

Rilwayne001:

Empiree:


Walsikum salaam

Why did Qatar bombed Gadafi and his men on behalf of protesters and why middle east country like Saudi and the West support the move?. Are they not aware of the hadith quoted by the op?.


Why did Saudi bombed Yemen which resulted to protests and lost of lives that you claimed the hadith would prevent? . Is Saudi not aware of the ahadith?.


Finally, is it HARAM for the Palestinians to protest Israeli occupation, slavery and bombings? .

Can you protest minimum wage and price increase on food?


When you answer these questions, i can determine how you think.

And by the way, did you see hadith quoted by me and others in reference to this issue or you chose to ignore?

EazyMoh:

Assalamu alaiykum, I've been following your discussion, but can't help to disagree with you.
You see of every command the prophet gave, it must have been the very best solution for such a problem.
Ironically the Syrian example you gave and any other upraising and insurgency in Muslim countries can be traced to the so called "PEACEFUL PROTEST" it may give a temporary solution like the OP admitted and like you pointed out, but it's never the best solution. Mind you even Shi'a started as a peaceful protest and today the Muslim world is devastated from Iraq to Syria to Turkey to Libya all because a people were instigated to go out on the street and protest against their leaders. Today what would you prefer they do? Be patient and try to keep sending delegations to give Nasiha to leaders like Gaddafi, Al Assad and Saddam (notwithstanding their faults) or trooped the streets like they did?
They chose the former and am sure they are now regretting it.
And no matter how you try to keep a protest peaceful, it's highly likely that it gets hijacked by criminals, and as a participant you carry some degree of responsibility. And at the end it's the out come that matters.

Empiree:
And mind you, taking to street to protest is LAST OPTION.

It is not like you have a concern and your start protesting. tiler Won't understand you.

There has to be talks going on like delegating people to talk to them private which is what it is in most cases. If this doesn't work, then next option follows. In many cases it doesn't work but it prolongs public outcry.


Another question for you is, if you live in non-Muslim majority country and govt decides to demolish your masjid are you telling me you would not protest it?.

If protest would lead to violence, this can happen two ways. Either from within protesters or government's agent provocatouers to discredit protesters.

EazyMoh:

All the crisis in the middle east are politically motivated.

There thousands of the prophet's commands are not observed by Muslims and their countries Saudi inclusive.

Israel state isn't the leader of Palestinians, so they don't deserve any form of obedience.

What we have been saying is there is a better way to pass your grievances to the government than storming the street for a civil disobedience.

Lastly protest is the least of the problems facing the Muslim ummah today. What I'd want you to understand is that the prophet encourages extreme patience and obedience to constituted authority, I rest my case.