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Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by ilynem(m): 2:55pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:Let me ask you a simple question. Who wrote the Koran? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 2:56pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
Bible, still under the test of "Word Of God" 1 Chronicles 1:32: "Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan. Which Abraham is the Bible referring to here as having Concubine Is it the same Noble Prophet Abraham whom we all revered as the Father of Faith>? If yes, May Allah deal with those who wrote the Bible and claim it's The Word of God! Woe unto them indeed! But if no, well, then it's up to the generations of this Abraham to take legal action against those who wrote; that their great grandfather was busy having Concubine who even bore children for him. As much as I would deem it fit to rubbish this verse of blasphemy in a supposedly Word Of God tagged Bible, I'm very sure those who can reason well will surely agree with me. If it hadn't been applied to God All Mighty's Prophet, no issue. But since it is found in an acclaimed Word Of God, I say no! It's rubbish! Now, let's |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 3:00pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
IV. Scientific Inaccuracy of the
Bible A. Earth is about 6000 years old,
as calculated from the
genealogies in Gen and Luke 3.
(see the problem of a young
earth later in the outline) B. Birds were created before
land animals (Gen 1:20, 24). -
Fossil record shows exact
opposite C. Earth has four corners, and
floats on water (Isa 11:12, Ps
24:2, 136:6, Rev 7:1). D. Earth is a circular disk (Isa
40:22). E. Earth is flat (these verses
were used for centuries by the
church to prove this: Ps 93:1,
Jer 10:13, Dan 4:10-11, Zech
9:10, Matt 4:8, Rev 1:7) F. Earth does not move (Ps 93:1,
96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30). G. Death or illness is caused by
sin (Gen 2:17, Lev 26:16, 21, 25,
Deut 7:15, 28:21, 27, James
1:15). H. God himself believes that a
house or clothes can have
leprosy and he details the
remedy. Lev 13, 14. I. Seed must "die" before it
grows (John 12:24, 1 Cor 15:36). J. Snakes eat dust (Gen 3:14,
Isa 65:25). K. Every beast shall fear man
(Gen 9:2). L. The ostrich abandons her
eggs (Job 39:13-16). M. A river divides into four rivers
and they flow in different
directions (Gen 2:10). N. There was no rainbow before
Noah's time (Gen 9:11-17). O. Thunder is God's voice (Ps
77:18). P. Earthquakes are caused by
God's anger (Job 9:5, Ps 18:7,
77:18, 97:4, Isa 2:19, 24:20,
29:6, Jer 10:10, Ezek 38:20, Nah
1:5). Or by his voice (Heb
12:26). Or by Lucifer (Isa 14:16). Q. Earthquakes can occur in
heaven (Heb 12:26). R. Rainwater does not return to
the sky (Isa 55:10). S. Blood is "life" (Deut 12:23).
Breath is "life" (Gen 2:7). T. Moon will turn to blood (Acts
2:20). U. The moon has a light of its
own (Isa 13:10, Matt 24:29). V. The stars can be made to fall
(Matt 24:29, Mark 13:25). W. The bat is a bird (Lev
11:13,19, Deut 14:11, 18). X. The whale is a fish (Jonah
1:17, Matt 12:40). Y. Whales were created before
insects (Gen 1:21-24). Z. Jonah is able to survive three
days and nights in the belly of
the fish without oxygen and
without being digested
(Jonah1:17, 2:10). A1. The hare chews the cud (Lev
11:5-6). B1. Some fowl and insects have
four legs (Lev 11:20-23). C1. Levi existed as a person in
the loins of his great-grandfather
(Heb 7:9-10). |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 3:02pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
Contradictions and internal
errors in the Bible GE 1:14 God created lights in the
firmament of heaven to divide the
day from the night GE 1:4 God had already made
this division earlier GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were
created before man was created. GE 2:4-9 Man was created
before trees were created. GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were
created before man was created. GE 2:7, 19 Man was created
before birds were created. GE 1:24-27 Animals were
created before man was created. GE 2:7, 19 Man was created
before animals were created. GE 1:26-27 Man and woman
were created at the same time. GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created
first, woman sometime later. GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16,
26:25 God was already known
as "the Lord" (Jahveh or
Jehovah) much earlier than the
time of Moses. EX 6:2-3 God was first known as
"the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah)
at the time of the Egyptian
Bondage, during the life of
Moses. GE 2:5 There is no plant or
shrubbery on the earth after god
created it, before the fall
because there was no one to
"work the ground." GE 1:11-12 The land produced
plants, trees and fruit on it's own
without a worker. GE 3:17-18 Having to work the
ground for food was a
punishment for the fall GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to
want to be able to tell good from
evil. HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be
unable to tell good from evil. GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8
God is a vengeful god. EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God
is a warrior. God is a consuming
fire. EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9,
6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a
jealous god. LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT
20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19,
EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is
(sometimes) murder and killing. NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20,
32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8,
17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is
angry. His anger is sometimes
fierce. 2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God
is love. GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit
of God is love, joy, peace,
patience, kindness, faithfulness,
gentleness and self-control. GE 6:4 There were Nephilim
(giants) before the Flood. GE 7:21 All creatures other than
Noah and his clan were
annihilated by the Flood. NU 13:33 There were Nephilim
after the Flood. GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20,
1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does
change his mind. |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by ilynem(m): 3:03pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:Oh Lord. Don't you get it? The Bible is not just the Word of God. Have you even read it? It is a historical account, a guildline for Christians and the Word of God. The four gospels complements each other in the sense that what was omitted from one was recorded in another. Are your Hadiths complete? Are there not things omitted? Let's keep pretending like things weren't omitted from the Koran which you claim is the sole word of Allah. Like I said, Uthman burnt some. Aisha's sheep ate some. Abu Bakr sent people that had memorized some of it to war and they were killed. I don't see you complaining about that. At least we have manuscripts to back our Bible, what to you have to back your Koran |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 3:07pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
ilynem:the prophet S.A.W and compiled by the students. note the prophet had said that anything his companion do together is part of the religion |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by annunaki2(m): 3:15pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16: It's really amusing a Muslim finds something wrong with a concubine being associated with Abraham in the bible whilst conveniently forgetting that even islamic sources confirm that hagar whose geanology Islam comes from was also a concubine. Not forgetting that mohammed also had multiple wives, sex slaves and concubines. Is it not the height of hypocrisy that you find it acceptable when mohammed's philandering is documented in islamic sources but when the bible records the issue of abraham's concubine you start ranting rubbish. |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by ilynem(m): 3:39pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:So are you saying that the Koran is complete? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by truthmans2012: 7:48pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
The Quran is not stable about the authenticity of the Bible. Allah told Muhammad to ask the Jews who read the Scriptures if he was in doubt about the islamic revelations he was receiving. If the Jews' Scriptures were corrupted, why would Muhammad be referred to it? Several other.verses of the Quran say the Old and New Testament were authentic. But characteristic of allah's word, he contradicted himself in some other verses. I don't trust the Quran a bit. |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by analice107: 8:55pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:Are you from Pakistan? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by analice107: 8:57pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:And the Koran was not written by men? why do we keep seeing names like Anas bin malik and the rest as writers of the koran? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by analice107: 9:02pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
annunaki2:Before Waraqa bin Nawal conferred the title of prophethood on Muhammed bin Abdullah, he (Waraqa) had already translated the New Testament from Greek to Arabic, so if Muslims claim the one we have today is corrupted, then the best they can do is produce the one Waraqa translated let's see. |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by analice107: 9:04pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:Hahahahaha. What kind of a question is "What is the name of Bible according Bible?" |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by analice107: 9:06pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:Okay, now the New Testament which Waraqa Bin Nawal, Kadijat's Uncle, translated to Arabic, What was the name? Do you even know anything about Waraqa? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by analice107: 9:13pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:But, Muslims fight and kill Christians who refuse to identify with Muhammed as a prophet mentioned in these corrupted versions of the Bibles. Or do you have a particular version which Muhammed is said to be a prophet in? I see imams quoting from this corrupted many versions of the Bibles to validate their points in arguments, why is that pls? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by analice107: 9:14pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:Why do you muslims quote from them if they are corrupted? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by analice107: 9:16pm On Mar 23, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:According to the koran, who killed Muhammed? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 1:43am On Mar 24, 2017 |
analice107:ALLAH kills and bring one to life |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 1:45am On Mar 24, 2017 |
ilynem:very very sure of it. as in surest |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 1:47am On Mar 24, 2017 |
analice107:who quotes from them? laughing......... have you ever read any islamic jurisprudence text that quote anything to support anything is islam or what? i yam nt undestanding |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 1:53am On Mar 24, 2017 |
analice107:lolsssssssssssss. i'm bewildered. when we say something is corrupt does that means the thing in its entirety is useless. please read the verses i quoted above. you get to undertand better. QURAN emphasizes it that during the time of prophet S.A.W the truth of the past books were still much avialable but the jews and christian were either changing its judgement or refusing to follow it |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 1:58am On Mar 24, 2017 |
analice107:your wordings are full of fallacies. there are so many verses in the QURAAN even in history that proof to the messangership of the prophet S.A.W. for your information there is no single verse in QURAAN that point to indescriminate killings of innocent lives. islam is the only religion that gives everything its right |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 2:06am On Mar 24, 2017 |
truthmans2012:thats what made islam the only sure religion. During the time of prophet S.A.W there are elements of truth in the books then. even they were correct and not corrupted by some of their monks. that was why the prophet was QUICKLY identified by jews then. also, to get the point straight there is no single verse in QURAAN that contradicts itself, if you're sure of any bring it the books sent to the past prophet are of course authentic but the problem was after the demise of isrealite's prophet they change or follow their desires |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 2:18am On Mar 24, 2017 |
analice107:yes now, who give the purpose word of GOD name? no whose authority and why? is bible ever known to JESUS P.B.H |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 2:21am On Mar 24, 2017 |
analice107:they are the best student that learn QURAAN from the best teacher ( the source). prophet even order his companion to learn from four and those four were the ones with most knowledge of QURAAN after the prophet. including IBN ABASS |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 2:21am On Mar 24, 2017 |
analice107:why asking ? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 2:25am On Mar 24, 2017 |
analice107:did you belief in QURAAN THE PROPHET SINCE WARAQA A JEW BELIEF IN HIM? |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by smallrincowis16(m): 2:31am On Mar 24, 2017 |
annunaki2:ITS ONLY IN BIBLE THAT EVERY PROPHET IS TAINTED IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER . BUT IN ISLAM WE HOLD EVERY PROPHET IN HIGH ESTEEM. THE ACCOUNT I QUOTED IN BIBLE IS JUST TO POINT DISSILLUTION IN IT. prophet S.A.W never transgressed. those he married was as a result of death of their husband and being the leader he must tako care of them. not even even one of them did he slept with &also he didn't have any concubine, all he did were legislated |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by true2god: 5:10am On Mar 24, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:Sorry bro, the Koran pre-dates Mohammed and was never the word or work of any allahh. www.breitbart.com/london/2015/08/31/oldest-koran-destabilises-islamic-history-carbon-dating-says-it-pre-dates-mohammed/ www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216627/Koran-Birmingham-thought-oldest-world-predate-Prophet-Muhammad-scholars-say.html If we go with archaeological and scientific evidence, which you depended so much on, we can firmly conclude that the Koran has nothing to do with Mohammed. However, going by Islamic claims, the Qur'an is still not the word or work of any allahh. The current version of the Koran was standardized and approved for global use in 1924 at alzar university Cairo, in Egypt, the oldest and the most important school in the Muslim world. All the earlier Quranic manuscript contradicted each other hence the recent standardization. Can you show we Nigerians the oldest manuscript of the Quran? Do you have any? From where do you then get the Quran if we cannot verify the source of the current koran circulation? Again going by Islamic narrative, you guys said the sahabas memorized the Koran before each 'memorizer' wrote down what he memorized so that the Koran can be compiled, this is BS, to any reasonable person. How can an oral transmission serve as a basis for authenticating the original source of a document since oral transmission change from time to time, in its content? Guy you Koran is never divine and can never be divine going by how we come about the current koran in circulation. 1 Like |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by true2god: 5:26am On Mar 24, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:The question is how did Mohammed die? The evidence is in your hadith. He was poisoned by a Jewish woman at khaiber after Mohammed and his bandit killed her people. See the hadith below: Bukhari's Hadith 5.713: Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." The Koran told us how Mohammed will die if he is a fake and false prophet: Qur’an 69:44-46 —And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), and then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta). (Hilali-Khan) Qur’an 69:44-46 —And if he had invented false sayings concerning Us, We assuredly had taken him by the right hand and then severed his life-artery. (Pickthall) The tasfir of Islamic scholars on how Mohammed died: Tafsir Jalalayn on Qur’an 69:44-46 —And had he, namely, the Prophet (s), fabricated any lies against Us, by communicating from Us that which We have not said, We would have assuredly seized him, We would have exacted vengeance [against him], as punishment, by the Right Hand, by [Our] strength and power; then We would have assuredly severed his life-artery, the aorta of the heart, a vein that connects with it, and which if severed results in that person’s death. Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Qur’an 69:46 —(And then We certainly would have cut off Al-Watin from him,) Ibn ‘Abbas said, “It (Al-Watin) refers to the artery of the heart, and it is the vein that is attached to the heart.” This has also been said by ‘Ikrimah, Sa’id bin Jubayr, Al-Hakim, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak, Muslim Al-Batin and Abu Sakhr Humayd bin Ziyad. So going by the Koran and the hadith, Mohammed died of food poison. No prophet had died of food poison except the fake prophet Mohammed. The Quran prophesied it and the hadith narrated it. 1 Like |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by oladoja1(m): 6:00am On Mar 24, 2017 |
alBHAGDADI:it's not that the Quran said Bible it's not word of God but they have mixed it, look at the songs of Solomon (a whole prophet God) saying what what should not read, letter of Paul to so many places, those were only letters, look at d book of Deuteronomy claimed written by Moses after his death some people wrote the remaining parts eg where e was buried. so Bible is true word of God, word of prophets and human Beings |
Re: Where In The Quran Did It Say The Bible Has Been Corrupted? by true2god: 6:02am On Mar 24, 2017 |
smallrincowis16:Where you there when the Koran was compiled, or were you told? What are your indisputable evidences? |
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