fratermathy:


Niger Delta is not a country or a proposed nation.

Biafra should be homogenous. Multiethnicity breeds hatred and chaos. Nigeria is a clear example of this.

In any case, I've made all the points I wanted to make and the Igbo people on this thread helped me in making this. This is not a bashing thread but one created to show everyone that the IPOB Igbo is incapable of arguing without emotions. That they are sentimental and tribalistic. They are Igbo supremacists who believe other minorities are pawns for their use even when they don't give a single damn for these minorities. They want to superimpose their will and struggle on people with diverse wishes and aspirations. People who were unfortunately lumped in Nigeria and deserve a chance at creating their own destinies. The IPOB Igbo man believes he is God who can decide the fate of minority groups.

This thread has also informed many minorities of the truth. I deliberately shared the link to this link thread in many groups. Most of us have reiterated our conviction that the Igbo is the Hausa of the South and we must do everything and anything to stop them from dictating our will, even if it means forming alliances with ourselves to stop Igbo encroachment. All these are caused by the statements made online by IPOB apologists and Igbo supremacists! We won't sit still and allow the Igbo deride us and play God with our future. We have not asked for any of the things that the Igbo has asked for. We have not wished to join them in their struggle or aspirations. Why do they force us then in their struggle? Who made them the mouthpiece for us?

you have a point though, but you can't be a minority in your father's compound

pazienza:


Soviet Union economic fortunes were already dwindling in the 80's, they relied too much on crude oil and the global price took a great hit in the 80's, they were not innovative and they relied alot on inferior technology systems. Many Eastern European countries were faring better than USSR in the 80's! Let's not even talk about the Western Europe and USA and Japan.

Even with the minorities, Russia was going down economically just before the USSR imploded.

I don't know what you speak about Majority losing more than the minorities. I don't think countries like Azberijian are doing better than Russia today, economically or otherwise.

I don't know about the Hausas, even with the minorities, Most Hausa commoners are poor and their living standard are low. They rank low in most development indices, so I don't see how the presence of Northern minorities had helped the average Hausa man on the streets of Kano. Unless you mean their looting elites who use the minorities numbers to hold unto power, then you might have a point.

NB: I have noticed that as a Northern minority, you have an axe to grind with the Hausa-Fulanis, but rather than face them, you run away and take solace in poke nosing into Igbo affairs, arrogating yourself the position of spokesman of SS minorities whom the Igbos( Majority tribe) is seen as equivalent of Hausas in your mind.

USSR was not innovative and till date they posses the greatest technological weapons of mass destruction in the world. I wonder what u call that.

I see no way Russia is better than Azerbaijan, Tajikstan, Lithuania, Ukraine or Latvia other than the fact that Russia has been reduced into bits and now in lifetime regrets (dreaming of their past glory) for letting USSR which made them a world superpower and influence slip through their fingers. That is why they tried to steal Crimea from Ukraine. Imagine the level they (the mighty Russia) have been reduced to. A laughing stock among their formal mates and inferiors like USA and China.

@ u and BigFrancis, I consider myself a South-southerner too because that was the land i was born, bred and still living and now mixed with. It's just like the so many Deltans we have in Jos who will tell u they know no other place than Jos e.g the likes of Efe (the likely winner of BBN this year) and Karen Igho (former BBA winner) e.t.c. Some of these people even act more Josite and will be more accepted than i.

North-central and SS people are not hate filled souls like SE people. Till date, u can hardly find any notable Nigerian from another tribe who will proudly tell u that he/she was born and bred in Igbo land and is proud to identitfy with SE culture and tribe.
This is why i will never tolerate any intrusion, attack or forceful attachment by you hate-filled SEners on any inch of the SS region.
We will always tell you that Ipob madness is free to end at Onitsha (River Niger boundary).

Nowenuse:




I consider myself a South-southerner too because that was the land i was born, bred and still living and now mixed with.

Are you this much of a learner? Or just plain ignorant? Lets leave the issue of Biafra aside for a moment, what do you mean by you are a South-Southerner? Does the constitution of Nigeria recognise anything like South/South? So how can you come from something that does not exist in law? Do you know how the so called 'South/South' came about? The so called South/South along with the other 5 are geopolitical zones were created by the regime of Abacha in the 90's for economic planing. How can a geopolitical zone not recognised by the law be your identity? Also, when did Oron, Efik, Ogoja, Ogoni etc decide to join you in the so called South/South?

As far as Nigeria is concerned, the only two identities you are entitled to is your ethnic group and 'Nigerian'. Any other thing you call your self inside Nigeria is foolish. Outside Nigeria, you can add another identity of 'African'.


All this comes to the heart of what Biafra is all about. How can Nigerians still be answering the ficticious names imposed on them by Soldiers?

Because a British Soldier called Lugard came to West Africa, we have become Nigerians

Because Gowon came, some people are now Rivers and Cross River

Becuase Murtala came, Im now Anambra

Because IBB came, some people are now Deltans

Abacha came, now some people are South/South and South East.

One ficticious name after the other. So when do people get to choose their own name and identity? Why must people keep answering to imposed names?

The agitators of Biafra are right to demand a referendum. For once, let the people decide who they are, what their politics and country should be.

Those who love Nigeria should also come out express their love by voting to continue as Nigerians. Referendum means power to the people.

But until the people decide, everyone should speak only for their ethnic group. Not everyone will like the idea of Biafra, however, no one should stand against the democratic right of the people to choose their future via referendum

kingzizzy:


Are you this much of a learner? Or just plain ignorant? Lets leave the issue of Biafra aside for a moment, what do you mean by you are a South-Southerner? Does the constitution of Nigeria recognise anything like South/South? So how can you come from something that does not exist in law? Do you know how the so called 'South/South' came about? The so called South/South along with the other 5 are geopolitical zones were created by the regime of Abacha in the 90's for economic planing. How can a geopolitical zone not recognised by the law be your identity? Also, when did Oron, Efik, Ogoja, Ogoni etc decide to join you in the so called South/South?

As far as Nigeria is concerned, the only two identities you are entitled to is your ethnic group and 'Nigerian'. Any other thing you call your self inside Nigeria is foolish. Outside Nigeria, you can add another identity of 'African'.


All this comes to the heart of what Biafra is all about. How can Nigerians still be answering the ficticious names imposed on them by Soldiers?

Because a British Soldier called Lugard came to West Africa, we have become Nigerians

Because Gowon came, some people are now Rivers and Cross River

Becuase Murtala came, Im now Anambra

Because IBB came, some people are now Deltans

Abacha came, now some people are South/South and South East.

One ficticious name after the other. So when do people get to choose their own name and identity? Why must people keep answering to imposed names?

The agitators of Biafra are right to demand a referendum. For once, let the people decide who they are, what their politics and country should be.

Those who love Nigeria should also come out express their love by voting to continue as Nigerians. Referendum means power to the people.

But until the people decide, everyone should speak only for their ethnic group. Not everyone will like the idea of Biafra, however, no one should stand against the democratic right of the people to choose their future via referendum

We are so sorry but unfortunately for u guys. The name and identity SOUTH-SOUTH has come to stay and this identity is being accepted and promoted by most Southern minorities.

Well, if u Igbos are so pained by the SS identity which has come to liberate southern minorities from majority influence, i guess u guys can take the Hausa-fulani approach.
Look for a common name that unites the whole South or at least the South-south & SE just like Hausas always speak on behalf of the whole north or Arewa or all muslims and never North-west alone, but however, most North-centrals and other northern minorities will always remind hausa-fulanis that they are middlebelters and not Core-northernerns.

Na wa sha, e be like say this South-south matter dey pain Igbos well well. Just like many Hausa-fulanis when they hear Middlebelt, they act hypertensive and so pained.

kingzizzy:


Are you this much of a learner? Or just plain ignorant? Lets leave the issue of Biafra aside for a moment, what do you mean by you are a South-Southerner? Does the constitution of Nigeria recognise anything like South/South? So how can you come from something that does not exist in law? Do you know how the so called 'South/South' came about? The so called South/South along with the other 5 are geopolitical zones were created by the regime of Abacha in the 90's for economic planing. How can a geopolitical zone not recognised by the law be your identity? Also, when did Oron, Efik, Ogoja, Ogoni etc decide to join you in the so called South/South?

As far as Nigeria is concerned, the only two identities you are entitled to is your ethnic group and 'Nigerian'. Any other thing you call your self inside Nigeria is foolish. Outside Nigeria, you can add another identity of 'African'.


All this comes to the heart of what Biafra is all about. How can Nigerians still be answering the ficticious names imposed on them by Soldiers?

Because a British Soldier called Lugard came to West Africa, we have become Nigerians

Because Gowon came, some people are now Rivers and Cross River

Becuase Murtala came, Im now Anambra

Because IBB came, some people are now Deltans

Abacha came, now some people are South/South and South East.

One ficticious name after the other. So when do people get to choose their own name and identity? Why must people keep answering to imposed names?

The agitators of Biafra are right to demand a referendum. For once, let the people decide who they are, what their politics and country should be.

Those who love Nigeria should also come out express their love by voting to continue as Nigerians. Referendum means power to the people.

But until the people decide, everyone should speak only for their ethnic group. Not everyone will like the idea of Biafra, however, no one should stand against the democratic right of the people to choose their future via referendum

NB. Nigeria is not ruled on the basis of ethnicity. We do not run ethnic governments here, we only run state governments. So, states and geo-political zones are somewhat more important than ethnicity because ethnicity and religion remains informal.

So an Urhobo Deltan has more in common politically with an Ibo speaking Deltan than an Anambra person. An Isoko Deltan also has more in common politically with an Ibo speaking Ikwerre than any SEner based on geo-political zonning.

Ethnicity is optional and a choice in Nigeria today, but Statehood and geo-political zonning are here to stay permanently and to a larger extent defines the future of people in Nigeria today than tribe. E.g a political position which is supposed to go to the yoruba nation or South-west cannot be given to a Kogi or Kwara yoruba speaking person because he/she is not from South-west.
Ondo people can wake up today and decide that they no longer want to be adressed as yorubas and start denying yoruba identity and everyone has to respect their decision but Ondo people cannot renounce Ondo state.
This is the situation we have found ourselves today and we must learn to live with it and make the most of it.

Nowenuse:


NB. Nigeria is not ruled on the basis of ethnicity. We do not run ethnic governments here, we only run state governments. So, states and geo-political zones are somewhat more important than ethnicity because ethnicity and religion remains informal.

So an Urhobo Deltan has more in common politically with an Ibo speaking Deltan than an Anambra person. An Isoko Deltan also has more in common politically with an Ibo speaking Ikwerre than any SEner based on geo-political zonning.


Ethnicity is optional and a choice in Nigeria today, but Statehood and geo-political zonning are here to stay permanently and to a larger extent defines the future of people in Nigeria today than tribe. E.g a political position which is supposed to go to the yoruba nation or South-west cannot be given to a Kogi or Kwara yoruba speaking person because he/she is not from South-west.
Ondo people can wake up today and decide that they no longer want to be adressed as yorubas and start denying yoruba identity and everyone has to respect their decision but Ondo people cannot renounce Ondo state.
This is the situation we have found ourselves today and we must learn to live with it and make the most of it.

The bold is the dumbest comment I've ever read thus far.

Pathetic attempt on divide and rule..

Nowenuse:



@ u and BigFrancis, I consider myself a South-southerner too because that was the land i was born, bred and still living and now mixed with. It's just like the so many Deltans we have in Jos who will tell u they know no other place than Jos e.g the likes of Efe (the likely winner of BBN this year) and Karen Igho (former BBA winner) e.t.c. Some of these people even act more Josite and will be more accepted than i.

This is more laughable than any comment on this entire thread. So you aren't even from SS yet have been accusing others of attaching when you yourself is a perfect example of what you accuse others of.

If we follow your pitiful attempt to attache, that means someone from SE whom is born and bred in SS can equally claim to "consider himself/herself" SS this, would speak on it's behalf

You see how hypocritical and idiotic you sound

You are actually so tolerant and nice.

Personally, I don't bother replying to high grade fools who think they are smart.

Imagine a human being chanting that "States and Geo political zones are here to stay permanently" when everyone else is demanding restructuring?

I have zero time for such morons who have no clue what's under their big noses.

Ikechu10:


The bold is the dumbest comment I've ever read thus far.

Perfect attempt on divide and rule..

Ikechu10:


This is more laughable than any comment on this entire thread. So you aren't even from SS yet have been accusing others of attaching when you yourself is a perfect example of what you accuse others of.

If we follow your pitiful attempt to attache, that means someone from SE whom is born and bred in SS can equally claim to "consider himself/herself" SS this, would speak on it's behalf

You see how hypocritical and idiotic you sound

Ipob in their usual way cannot do without invectives. Well i do not have time to exchange insults.
In other parts of the world, that is the way it is done. U are free to claim the place u were born and support the people therein in their struggles and aspirations.
That is why whatever i say is supported by most people from that place e.g the OP.
Besides i am not trying to forcefully attach another place with Delta or the SS as u Igbos are out there to do. All i am doing is standing or maintaining the integrity of the SS and Delta just as naturally as any Deltan or SSner will do. Ok?

Igbos keep displaying ignorance one after the other.

People are asking for restructuring for State or regional control of rescources with the current geo-political settings.
Nobody has ever asked for the SS to be merged with the SE as one region except the by force attache peeps from SE.

Nowenuse:


Ipob in their usual way cannot do without invectives. Well i do not have time to exchange insults.
In other parts of the world, that is the way it is done. U are free to claim the place u were born and support the people therein in their struggles and aspirations.
That is why whatever i say is supported by most people from that place e.g the OP.
Besides i am not trying to forcefully attach another place with Delta or the SS as u Igbos are out there to do. All i am doing is standing or maintaining the integrity of the SS and Delta just as naturally as any Deltan or SSner will do. Ok?

See attempt on saving face.


You claim to see yourself as SS due to the fact you are born in SS therefore, you believe you have to right to speak for SS despite being a northerner..

In reality, that same logic applies to someone from SE with the same story as you.

You can't berate someone of an act you yourself is doing.

But then again, you are the fool that thinks asaba is against SE and Igbo speaking groups of SS all hate to be associated to SE. If i recall, this is The I'd that accused me of "being From SE" due to the fact i do not follow your pitiful attempt of divide and rule. Your so called "logical knowledge" in terms of SS seems to end in your pitiful attempt on divide and rule. Like a typical northerner that you are

Ikechu10:


See attempt on saving face.


You claim to see yourself as SS due to the fact you are born in SS therefore, you believe you have to right to speak for SS despite being a northerner..

In reality, that same logic applies to someone from SE with the same story as you.

You can't berate someone of an act you yourself is doing.

But then again, you are the fool that thinks asaba is against SE and Igbo speaking groups of SS all hate to be associated to SE. If i recall, this is The I'd that accused me of "being From SE" due to the fact i do not follow your pitiful attempt of divide and rule. Your so called "logical knowledge" in terms of SS seems to end in your pitiful attempt on divide and rule. Like a typical northerner that you are

Everyone on this forum knows you and your likes. Never put words in ppls mouth. Was i the one who created the states of Nigeria? Go and face those who did.
Why are u Igbos crying more than the bereaved? Many other Nigerians and even most SSners are not complaining of the states they are in as such unlike u SEners.
I never said any groups of the SS hate the SEners. I only said that many Ibo speaking people of the SS reject Igbo identity and association like a plague which is very evident to all and they have the rights to do so because ethnicity is more or less by community or even individual choice/identification.
I also said that Nigeria is not ruled by Ethnic govts but State govts, so can u tell me how that is wrong?. Satehood and geo-politcal zonning has more effect, meaning and legal cause of association more than tribal affiliations in the governing and functioning of the country and it's people. E.g, there is nothing like Igboland or Yorubaland in Nigeria's govt or constitution. It is not a legal term or definition. It is informal or personal, and these definitions can be reversed by the people involved unlike Statehood and geo-zones which are more legal and official.

"From 1967 to '70, Nigeria fought a war -
the Nigeria-Biafra war. And in the middle of
that war, I was 14 years old. We spent
much of our time with my mother cooking.
For the army - my father joined the army as
a brigadier - the Biafran army. We were on
the Biafran side".
Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala


"I want to say something about patriotism. My
friend Kanu (Nwankwo) and I are the only ones
that played in Europe for almost 40 years and
came back with our Ibo accent. If that is not
patriotism, I don't know what that mean," Okocha
joked.


However, the Asagba of Asaba, Prof. Edozien
saying all Igbo are one, itemised seven agendas
which he said are essential for Igbo unity which he
said for two years, Ohanaeze ndigbo could not
achieve.
He harped on the need for creation of two more
state for Igbo people out of the present Delta and
Rivers State to give equal states to three regions,
under one region,
He also asked that state governors in the seven
state Igbo dominate should empower Ohanaeze
financially and the eze ndigbo proliferation across
the country and beyond should be stopped.
Th e Asagba asked that the Igbo should rater elect
one king as Eze Igbo through the traditional rulers
and tat the ruler should rule till death as is the
case with the papacy.
https://www.nairaland.com/529305/asagba-asaba-proud-igbo-son



Tony Elumelu and Utomi identified with SE: https://www.today.ng/news/nigeria/168959/igbo-leaders-move-boost-southeast-economy

@ u and BigFrancis, I consider myself a South-
southerner too because that was the land i was
born, bred and still living and now mixed with. It's
just like the so many Deltans we have in Jos who
will tell u they know no other place than Jos e.g
the likes of Efe (the likely winner of BBN this year)
and Karen Igho (former BBA winner) e.t.c. Some of
these people even act more Josite and will be more
accepted than i.

No, you are not a South Southerner, you are a bitter hateful Igbophobic being who wishes Igbos in SS hate those in SE.

Unfortunately for you, the reverse is the case. Most Igbos in SS who matters, identity with Ndiigbo in SE, if the River Niger never divided the Igala, Nupe nations and the Benue didn't divide Tivs, why then should it divide Ndiigbo? River Niger is a blessing and uniting factor for Ndiigbo not a division factor like you wish.

And this you theory of becoming a SSner and spokesman for Igbos in SS more than SS Igbos themselves like Obi Edozien, Okonjo, Okocha, Elumelu, Utomi, Achuzia, because you reside in SS is dumb, considering that thousands of SEners are resident in SS, and yet can't claim to be spokespersons for SS groups.
You are not a SSner, neither are you an Igbo speaking SSner, your Igbophobic opinions counts for nothing.

[quote author=fratermathy post=55070689]I understand that I am stepping into controversial waters but I feel this has to be said, given the fact that Urhobo-Isokoland is added to the proposed Biafra Nation. Silence may mean consent. This has to be said and I anticipate a very exciting and non-tribalistic discussion of the issues I have raised. I have already made this comment on a thread elsewhere on this forum but I need it to be a thread of its own in order to attract more comments and reach out to IPOB youths which the message is directed to.


@Poster


Thanks for this your submission and position. Thanks greatly, I must say.

I have only read the first page and think the argument you are having with my fellow Igbos stems from slight misunderstanding from your write-up.
Honestly, you tried to write your piece devoid of hate, misconception and tribalistic conjectural; but the problem I see in your write-up is that you believed 100% the narrative from a certain section of Nigeria as the truth, hence, some of my Igbos choose not to engage you in a meaningful discourse since it seems you have already reached a certain conclusion before stepping forward to discuss.

I think the above is the bone of contention here...I choose to give you the benefit of doubt cause as humans, mistakes are part of our nature.

Before proceeding further, let's understand this first: I will speak strictly from the perspective of Igbos and you will speak from the perspective of your tribe (Urhobo or is it Isoko and Itsekiri, please confirm). There's absolutely no need for 'We Niger-Delta' or 'We SS', it defeats the purpose of the discourse as there are huge indigenous Igbos in both Niger-Delta/SS.

Just like you rightly stated, all people of Nigeria have inalienable rights to self-determination; furthermore, they all have inalienable rights to LIFE, ELECTIONS - TO VOTE & BE VOTED FOR, RIGHTS TO PEACEFUL PROTEST & RALLIES, RIGHTS TO FREE ASSOCIATIONS, LASTLY, ALL THE PEOPLE OF NIGERIA HAVE THEIR INALIENABLE RIGHTS TO REFERENDUM in their respective aspirations. SOVEREIGNTY lies with the people, not with Buhari or any other office holder.

From my understanding of these events (you honestly need to read more before coming up with some of the comments you made above).

Point I

MASSOB under the leadership of Uwazurike started the new Biafran agitations in 1999 which also had Nnamdi Kanu as a member of the group though a relatively unknown figure as at then. MASSOB had their focus in resuscitating the former Eastern region as Biafra as was the case in the 1960s. MASSOB did well in sensitizing a lot of people but most people didn't key into the agitation then because most people still believed there might still be a chance for Nigeria to work, nevertheless, MASSOB kept faith and kept on working on their evangelizing mission statement but instead of the Nigerian state to engage them in a debate and nip the agitation in its formative stage, the Nigerian state under Obasanjo unleashed the army on MASSOB and killed a lot of its members while governors like Peter Obi and others stood-by and watched...

Still all those killings didn't deter MASSOB, rather it embolden some of its members - perhaps, members that lost loved ones to the Nigerian state.

Then comes the LOWER NIGER CONGRESS (LNC) into the struggle in 2011 under the leadership of Fred Agbeyegbe ESQ. & Tony Nnadi ESQ. This is the group that expanded the agitation to include the groups under the former Mid-West region into the struggle in 2011.
Please read more about the Lower Niger Congress (LNC).

http://saharareporters.com/2011/06/30/failed-state-called-nigeria-our-stand

BTW, majority of Igbos don't support this expansion that's why LNC does not enjoy massive support from Igbos, but again with recent events in Nigeria, Igbos just want out of this destructive union, hence, their ever willingness to support and latch-on to any available vehicle ready to take them out of the inferno. Also, I think the Igbos' reservations towards LNC stems largely from the inclusion of Edo/Itsekiri, Urhobo-Isoko and to an extent the Ijaws (in the order of mention). We Igbos don't hate them, we honestly believe we can be close neighbours to the groups listed here.
For the other groups not listed above, I honestly would love to have ONLY all proud Igbos/Igboland in SE, SS & Niger-Delta + all the groups in present day Cross River & Akwa Ibom States in the Biafran State of our dreams. Please Note, All groups except the proud Igbos in present day Rivers State should be allowed to stay on their own or with Nigeria - their absolute choice.

I understand that a large section of groups in Cross River & Akwa Ibom States identifies with Biafra; however, if the majority of people of the groups in present day Cross River & Akwa Ibom States wish to have nothing to do with Biafra, then we Igbos should stick to the attached map of 1895 clearly showing all Igboland.

Sorry for the digress, let's get back on track.

IPOB joined the struggle in 2012 under the leadership of Nnamdi Kanu after watching haplessly how Nigeria security forces constantly murder MASSOB members with zero strong leadership from MASSOB to stop the killings. I think IPOB maybe trying to create a niche for itself away from MASSOB decided to adopt the map from Lower Niger Congress (LNC).
NOTE: No group is right or wrong for its modalities since all they were looking for was recognition and better platform to be heard - they all did what they thought best to get to the mainstream media, but GEJ totally ignored them all. However, the all got their dues back, all thanks to Buhari. Today, they are all on mainstream global/international media.

With the above stated, the answer to your point one question happened in April 2015 at the Solemn Assembly of the Lower Niger Congress (LNC) in Port Harcourt, Rivers State. (BTW, I saw on Channels TV all the nationalities of SE/SS carrying placards displaying their groupings at the Solemn Assembly).

Furthermore, you may wish to read Ann-Kio Briggs's speech at the Solemn Assembly of LNC.

http://saharareporters.com/2015/04/28/video-time-now-ripe-niger-delta-region-secede-nigeria-ann-kio-briggsor

As well as Google/read Hilda Dokubos' speech at the same Solemn Assembly.

Here's the speech of Edo delegates at the LNC's Solemn Assembly.

https://edonationsatelite..com.ng/2015/04/report-of-lower-niger-congress.html

Also Note that the Solemn Assembly of the People of Lower Niger Congress (LNC) has already given the LNC the mandate to organize a referendum to determine what its people want. They are not waiting for Buhari to do what's in their power to do for themselves.

https://guardian.ng/news/lower-niger-congress-wants-referendum/

https://oblongmedia.net/2017/01/03/lower-niger-congress-special-announcement-on-referendum/

https://www.nairaland.com/2327562/lower-niger-congress-five-point

Also, LNC has said that they are yet to adopt any NAME for the prospective country: they said it could be Biafra, Lower Niger Federation, etc. they said after & if the referendum is successful, they will then put up the question of the Federations name to the people to decide.

You will have to do more reading to get better picture of political developments around you.


Point II:


This is where you totally messed up. This is the main bone of contention.
I take it you were totally ignorant of the Lower Niger Congress (LNC) group before writing your article, you never knew of the Solemn Assembly in which your representative actively participated and gave their mandates. You have zero details of political developments around you yet you went off making statements purely from an ignorant perspective yet portraying it as facts on ground.

Next time, learn to carry out research before quoting figures, that way, your audience might take you serious enough to engage you.

You are wrong, the map in use by IPOB is the same 1885 Map of the Lower Niger Territory, (which depicts the Geo-Ethnolinguistic diversity of the Territory as the Geographical basis of a the Prospective Lower Niger Federation) that was adopted by the SOLEMN ASSEMBLY of Lower Niger Congress (LNC) in April 2015 at Port Harcourt, Rivers State and had your representative actively participated and endorsed.
I suggest you leave IPOB out of this and rather take it up with your representatives.

Again you are wrong (or you lied), your people requested and mandated Lower Niger Congress (LNC) to conduct a referendum to determine what your people want - you may wish to get involved and get your people to VOTE NO. Or better still back out of the entire process now, but not to come online to deride IPOB and what it represent. THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE in all ramification.

Like I said before, most Igbos really don't want the expanded map but they are very willing to work with serious/strong vehicle to leave the inferno first and when we all get to safety, we can all build our separate houses however we want. We call it - 'Live and Let Live' principle; WE ARE NOT FORCING ANYTHING ON ANYONE.
Stop making those kind of statements, maybe people will then respond to you in CIVIL manner. You can't make such derogatory statements and then expect others to treat you nicely, how naive...

Please, Biafra need not extend any hand of fellowship to future citizens of Nigeria. Nigerians would live and Biafrans would live as good neighbours happily ever after. Igbos are not known to build empires by annexing people's land - its NOT in our nature.

Point III

Your claim is purely baseless; your point II is filled with lies and emotional insults for IPOB and what it stands for. Read your article again, but this time read it from a non-Nigerian perspective...
If the Biafran agitations of IPOB and other groups makes no sense to you, the least you could do is to understand why a group will follow its adopted modalities when you have absolutely zero information of 'what is and what is about'.
Your entire write-up is an EMOTIONAL exercise devoid of facts on ground; yet you turn-around to accuse the next man what you did.
Your entire write-up seeks NOT for clarity on the Biafran agitations subject rather but to deride a peoples' aspirations; and you complain how people react emotionally. What were you expecting Red carpet reception
Do unto others as you want others to do unto you.

Now, you see only the HATE and TRIBALISM from IPOB/Igbos Really Wetin you drink? Where have you been this past 50+ years that the Nigerian State empowered the Hausa/Fulani/Yuroba and others to dish out uncountable quantum amount of HATE to Igbos? Are you seriously blind to all those HATE on Igbos from the usual suspects?

80% of Yuroba radio presenters particularly on Smooth FM & Classic FM go live on air to deride and make mockery of Igbos and their way of live on live radio consistently. They didn't start doing that today...They young ones learnt the HATE from their parents who taught them that is was OK to pile up HATE on Igbos, hence, they see such nonsense as a way of life. When we point out these HATE to them, they see it as we being too sensitive...
This is the reason an Oba threatened the Igbo Nation, APC chairman called the Igbo Nation "Political Immature People", Buhari promised Igbos 5% rule, plus others. To them, it's not HATE...It's just a way of life.
Did you also noticed how some people came here to defend such nonsense...Cause HATING Igbos for the past 50+ years has always been a Nigerian State policy. To all of them, it's a WAY OF LIFE, SO THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IPOB IS DISHING IT BACK TO THEM.
TO THEM, IT'S NOT THE NATURAL COURSE. THEY CAN'T HANDLE WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DISHING TO IGBOs FOR THIS PAST 50+ YEARS AND MORE.

Check most Nollywood movies produced by Yoruba producers and see how they portray Igbos and Igbo families in their movies...
Check "Lekki Wives" and see how they portray Igbos and Igbo families in their TV production.
Check most movie production by 'Redeemed' and see the HATEFUL ways they constantly portray Igbos and Igbo families, yet, their GO will allow such HATE in his media only to come out to the public putting his face like the most righteous man on earth. But their heart are all filled with HATE.

Yet, your Nigerian State own NBC allow all these nonsense to air.

IPOB came into existence around 2012 and only started giving them the dish (HATE) they have been serving Igbos for the past 50 years and more; but still you could only see the HATE from IPOB.
This also shows you are not neutral hence the response you got from my people.

Like I said in point II, no Igbo/IPOB is interested in annexing or forcing anything on you. That narrative can never fly.

I don't know the discussion you had with your Urhobos/Itsekiris and Ibibios, and how they reacted; but you said they reacted. Why then do you have issues with IPOB reacting to those HATEFUL People - you even say they reacted as if IPOB is the aggressor here. Was IPOB around when the Nigerian State implemented so many HATEFUL policies against the Igbo Nation? State policies like Abandoned Properties, 20 pounds for whatever you have in your bank account, Indigenization policy of 1972, grounding of economic growth/activities in Igboland hence forcing massive migration of Igbos to other regions, No federal presence in all Igboland, should we go on?
I guess to you, these are all acts of LOVE and Igbos should keep quiet, and IPOB should not return the favor.

I may not support all Igbos strategies but I certainly UNDERSTAND them.
To understand IPOB better, just listen to Buhari. Buhari is a classic example of the Nigerian State, the only language he understands are INJUSTICS, HATE, BIGOTRY, etc. These are the kind of people you want IPOB to engage with in a civil manner?
Aljazzera's TV presenter once advised Buhari to engage IPOB in a discourse, what was Buhari's response on live International TV - NO, HE WON'T!

Point IV

I believe answers to point II and point III have also address this.

IPOB shouldn't woo anybody; if you are feeling the present inferno and wish to run for dear life, it's your choice. IPOB is just a vehicle...Just like LNC, MASSOB, etc. Your people have the absolute right to choose to identify with any of these vehicles heading the same direction as you or better still, set up a completely different and new vehicle to take you to your fathers' compound. It's your choice!
Or you could still prefer to stay in your current settings - your choice.

Point V

Again, you go off running your mouth on a subject you clearly have limited information. Your Point V makes it really hard to engage you in a debate. I am struggling not to delete everything I have written thus far and allow you to wallow in your ignorance but for the sake of others genuinely interested in some insight - I will try and wrap this up now before I hit the delete button.

MASSOB did very well. IPOB is currently doing way better.
IPOB have successfully positioned the Biafran Independence agitations in the mainstream international media and you ignorantly called that nothing?
Today Biafran flag is being flown in Abuja and you called that nothing? Would anyone had tried that some months back?
Today you/We are very free to discuss the Biafran Independence agitations freely in the open and you ignorantly called that nothing? Even here on Nairaland that its owner was banning people just because of Biafra.

Nnamdi Kanu is the rallying point and to an extent; he is exactly what IPOB needs given that the Nigerian State has repeatedly shown itself to be crude in all its dealings with people from the southern region of which Igbos are part of the South.

When have you seen IPOB engage in violent protest?
What you call 'Protest', IPOB call it 'Evangelism' to sensitise the People which you clearly are in support of, so why then is the Nigerian security forces killing IPOB members on peaceful Evangelical activities?

IPOB have done all you wrote up there - kindly focus on your people more. You will also need to read up and keep up with political development around you. We will try to sensitise IPOB on the need to drop the expanded map and focus only on the Igbo area of the map and maybe carry along the groups in Cross River and Akwa Ibom States if that's the desire/aspirations of the people the areas mentioned to be part of the Biafran State.

We have zero issue/s with anyone writing on the Biafran Independence agitations, but before you do, please read up very well and understand the subject matter rather than come online with the narrative of some HATEFUL clowns and expect Igbos to roll out Red carpet reception for you.

If you wish to stay NEUTRAL; PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, read up and stay NEUTRAL.

Years ago, the Yuroba Nation controlled the Nigerian media and then had over 40 years of putting out HATEFUL BIGOTIC narratives out there. They successfully used the Nigerian State to ban the teach of Nigerian History in schools. However, thanks to the coming of Internet and Google, we all now have access to the right information. Kindly read up and stop running off with a 'Single Story'.

I am yet to see Igbos write this your kind of article directed at your people with all those hateful narratives - I only saw people writing rejoinders to one useless narrative - one clown (Ena) tried to push on Facebook. I will advise you focus more on your people and what you want for your people; however, if you must seek clarity from others on positions that might affect you/your people, kindly do proper research and ask proper questions with facts because running with a HATEFUL narratives propagated by BIGOTS will not get you the answers you seek.

Again, most people naturally don't have the time/patients to write long essays to put you through, hence, you will have to ask nicely.

Have a good day.

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Respect to you

You took your time to educate Fratermathy

Referendum will hold in Urhobo land whether he likes it or not

Every Urhobo will decide for himself or herself


Likewise, every Igbo man will decide for himself if he wants Biafra or Nigeria

fratermathy:


Niger Delta is not a country or a proposed nation.

Biafra should be homogenous. Multiethnicity breeds hatred and chaos. Nigeria is a clear example of this.

In any case, I've made all the points I wanted to make and the Igbo people on this thread helped me in making this. This is not a bashing thread but one created to show everyone that the IPOB Igbo is incapable of arguing without emotions. That they are sentimental and tribalistic. They are Igbo supremacists who believe other minorities are pawns for their use even when they don't give a single damn for these minorities. They want to superimpose their will and struggle on people with diverse wishes and aspirations. People who were unfortunately lumped in Nigeria and deserve a chance at creating their own destinies. The IPOB Igbo man believes he is God who can decide the fate of minority groups.

This thread has also informed many minorities of the truth. I deliberately shared the link to this link thread in many groups. Most of us have reiterated our conviction that the Igbo is the Hausa of the South and we must do everything and anything to stop them from dictating our will, even if it means forming alliances with ourselves to stop Igbo encroachment. All these are caused by the statements made online by IPOB apologists and Igbo supremacists! We won't sit still and allow the Igbo deride us and play God with our future. We have not asked for any of the things that the Igbo has asked for. We have not wished to join them in their struggle or aspirations. Why do they force us then in their struggle? Who made them the mouthpiece for us?

Having gone through the entire threads, it is absolutely clear you did not create this thread for an intelligent discourse or in genuine seek of insights. You created this thread with a clear-cut sinister motive, hence, you tried very hard to guide this thread to your desired outcome.

You choose not to respond to a few because taking that route of discussion wouldn't give you the outcome you came for.

Kudos to you @Efewestern in your small contribution that's devoid of insults and hateful rhetoric. Its seems the poster listens to you, kindly advise on how to make proper comments and statements devoid of hate. HATE NATURALLY BEGETS HATE; he can't come here and preach HATE while hiding as a neutral and expect people to behave in a certain way, it's not done, people will always see through these things. It's not that hard.

@khadaffi
If you had cautioned the poster to take down the hateful rhetorics and present logic backed with facts, you all might have gotten the decent response you all desired.

Nevertheless, let's all tone down the hate - its a Never Ending Circle!

80% of Yuroba radio presenters particularly on Smooth FM & Classic FM go live on air to deride and make mockery of Igbos and their way of live on live radio consistently. They didn't start doing that today...They young ones learnt the HATE from their parents who taught them that is was OK to pile up HATE on Igbos, hence, they see such nonsense as a way of life. When we point out these HATE to them, they see it as we being too sensitive...
This is the reason an Oba threatened the Igbo Nation, APC chairman called the Igbo Nation "Political Immature People", Buhari promised Igbos 5% rule, plus others. To them, it's not HATE...It's just a way of life.
Did you also noticed how some people came here to defend such nonsense...Cause HATING Igbos for the past 50+ years has always been a Nigerian State policy. To all of them, it's a WAY OF LIFE, SO THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IPOB IS DISHING IT BACK TO THEM.
TO THEM, IT'S NOT THE NATURAL COURSE. THEY CAN'T HANDLE WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DISHING TO IGBOs FOR THIS PAST 50+ YEARS AND MORE.

Check most Nollywood movies produced by Yoruba producers and see how they portray Igbos and Igbo families in their movies...
Check "Lekki Wives" and see how they portray Igbos and Igbo families in their TV production.
Check most movie production by 'Redeemed' and see the HATEFUL ways they constantly portray Igbos and Igbo families, yet, their GO will allow such HATE in his media only to come out to the public putting his face like the most righteous man on earth. But their heart are all filled with HATE.

@KhSteel,
Im responding here because you included Yoruba in your broad brush accusations of anti-Ibo sentiments across the country. Apparently it suits you to attribute hatred as the causative that makes Ibo subject of ridicule in Yoruba society. You don't believe its deserving, inspite the ambition of your people to turn Lagos into a non-Yoruba state. Were you expecting a sponsorship from us?

khSteel:



Having gone through the entire threads, it is absolutely clear you did not create this thread for an intelligent discourse or in genuine seek of insights. You created this thread with a clear-cut sinister motive, hence, you tried very hard to guide this thread to your desired outcome.

You choose not to respond to a few because taking that route of discussion wouldn't give you the outcome you came for.

Kudos to you @Efewestern in your small contribution that's devoid of insults and hateful rhetoric. Its seems the poster listens to you, kindly advise on how to make proper comments and statements devoid of hate. HATE NATURALLY BEGETS HATE; he can't come here and preach HATE while hiding as a neutral and expect people to behave in a certain way, it's not done, people will always see through these things. It's not that hard.

@khadaffi
If you had cautioned the poster to take down the hateful rhetorics and present logic backed with facts, you all might have gotten the decent response you all desired.

Nevertheless, let's all tone down the hate - its a Never Ending Circle!

I usually don't comment on thread like this, I only did so because the op was a brother, no need arguing about nothing, we all know what the urhobo nation wants, I won't come online and start arguing with everyone about things that ain't real, at least before including a tribe in a struggle what you would have done first is to ask if they are interested in such struggle, that's the message the op is trying to pass, you can take a trip from your house to any urhobo land or even itsekiri land and get first hand info yourself,

I still see no reason why I will insult an entire tribe, I still believe in the Nigeria project, so do my brothers, the problem we are facing as a nation is as a result of bad leaders, country not been restructured well (yes I believe restructuring the country will Go a long way in solving our problem), Why most people kill themselves online arguing about religion and tribe the politicians keep looting our common wealth, they keep linking there children to each other for Nigeria .

OPCNAIRALAND:


@KhSteel,
Im responding here because you included Yoruba in your broad brush accusations of anti-Ibo sentiments across the country. Apparently it suits you to attribute hatred as the causative that makes Ibo subject of ridicule in Yoruba society. You don't believe its deserving, inspite the ambition of your people to turn Lagos into a non-Yoruba state. Were you expecting a sponsorship from us?

Thanks for your response.

Your response shows you have also observed the HATE coming out from your corner of Nigeria; however, the only contention you have is that you think it's a reactionary human nature from your people...according to you because of Igbos' ambition of turning Lagos into a non-Yoruba state hence, you think Igbos deserve all the HATE from your corner of Nigeria.

@fratermathy & others; kindly take note.


Let's address this Igbos ambition of turning Lagos into a non-Yoruba state.

When has Igbos ever voted against Yoruba interest in Lagos State?

I can only remember 2015, if you have contrary evidence please provide it.

Before we look into Igbos desires/ambition in 2015, let's review events of 2013 with respects to the Anambra State governorship elections where Ngige contested under the banner of ACN.

We all saw how ACN and your leaders tried to force Ngige on Anambra in 2013/2014; and when Ngige got defeated, we all saw how ACN and your leaders went on media blitz blasting Igbos for their political choice on TVC, Channels TV SunRise programme & AIT Focus Nigeria...calling us all manner of names and telling us how Ngige was the best Ijebu garri in town. How can people in SW Nigeria know what's best for people in Anambra?

That silly acts of 2013/2014 was what triggered the political consciousness of Igbos in 2015, and we all saw people threatening Igbos with the Lagoon and all what not for exercising our constitutionally guaranteed rights. Igbos are not trees, they are bound to respond...

Have you also noticed how your leaders are always the very first to play dirty politics and when the other parties have finished learning work and starts displaying their new skills, you/your leaders will start shouting nonsense.

We all saw how APC/Lai Mohammed lied bare-face lies and pushed-out HATEFUL narratives in the build-up to 2015 elections, after elections and even as at today...yet, you will never see that cause LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOUR PARENTS HAVE TAUGHT YOU PEOPLE TO PILE-UP HATE TOWARDS IGBOs as a NATURAL ORDER; hence, you don't understand why IPOB is changing the natural flow of HATE.

Back to the HATE propagated through the use of movies.

Please go and check the YEARS OF PRODUCTION OF MOST 'REDEEMED' 'church/christian' movies; afterwards, come back and tell us how Igbos were ascertaining their political influence in Lagos as far as mid/late 1990s & early 2000s that most of those useless HATEFUL Movies were made.
Also, find a new NARRATIVE of how IGBOs deserves such UNCOUNTABLE QUANTUM AMOUNT OF HATE from your people on media cause this 'your how Igbos deserves it' is dead already; yet, in all this, the NIGERIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION allowed it all to air and go into circulations.


For the records, the amount of HATE in Nigeria (and ANTI-IGBO SENTIMENTS) didn't start recently, it's has always been there as a NIGERIAN STATE policy since 1970 and some sections of Nigeria simply latched-onto to the NIGERIAN 'HATEFUL' STATE POLICIES to propagate their HATE TOWARDS IGBOs to their heart content for 50+ years; guess what, IGBOs endured all these HATE given that them/their PARENTS LOST A WAR.

The question then is, "For How Long Will all These HATE go Unchallenged"?

What's NEW in Nigeria is that the young Igbos are saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH to the one-sided HATE.

The Internet & Social Media gave Igbos a platform, in the recent past, to challenge the UNCOUNTABLE QUANTUM AMOUNT OF HATE coming out from a section of Nigeria and your people CAN'T HANDLE WHAT YOU/YOUR PARENTS have been dishing out these past 50+ years to Igbos.

Efewestern:


I usually don't comment on thread like this, I only did so because the op was a brother, no need arguing about nothing, we all know what the urhobo nation wants, I won't come online and start arguing with everyone about things that ain't real, at least before including a tribe in a struggle what you would have done first is to ask if they are interested in such struggle, that's the message the op is trying to pass, you can take a trip from your house to any urhobo land or even itsekiri land and get first hand info yourself,

I still see no reason why I will insult an entire tribe, I still believe in the Nigeria project, so do my brothers, the problem we are facing as a nation is as a result of bad leaders, country not been restructured well (yes I believe restructuring the country will Go a long way in solving our problem), Why most people kill themselves online arguing about religion and tribe the politicians keep looting our common wealth, they keep linking there children to each other for Nigeria .

I have nothing against the poster and your people.

From the posters' replies, its clear he didn't come for clarity on this thread/subject-matter, he simply took a 'Single Story' and propagated a narrative he desired for the specific audience he kept referencing to.

I and my people wish you and your people the very best in all your aspirations.

I honestly believe we will make great neighbours in separate countries.

Best wishes and have a great day!

[b] Now, you see only the HATE and TRIBALISM from IPOB/Igbos Really Wetin you drink? Where have you been this past 50+ years that the Nigerian State empowered the Hausa/Fulani/ Yuroba and others to dish out uncountable quantum amount of HATE to Igbos? Are you seriously blind to all those HATE on Igbos from the usual suspects? 80% of Yuroba radio presenters particularly on Smooth FM & Classic FM go live on air to deride and make mockery of Igbos and their way of live on live radio consistently. They didn't start doing that today...They young ones learnt the HATE from their parents who taught them that is was OK to pile up HATE on Igbos, hence, they see such nonsense as a way of life. When we point out these HATE to them, they see it as we being too sensitive... This is the reason an Oba threatened the Igbo Nation, APC chairman called the Igbo Nation "Political Immature People", Buhari promised Igbos 5% rule, plus others. To them, it's not HATE...It's just a way of life. Did you also noticed how some people came here to defend such nonsense...Cause HATING Igbos for the past 50+ years has always been a Nigerian State policy. To all of them, it's a WAY OF LIFE, SO THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IPOB IS DISHING IT BACK TO THEM. TO THEM, IT'S NOT THE NATURAL COURSE. THEY CAN'T HANDLE WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DISHING TO IGBOs FOR THIS PAST 50+ YEARS AND MORE. Check most Nollywood movies produced by Yoruba producers and see how they portray Igbos and Igbo families in their movies... Check "Lekki Wives" and see how they portray Igbos and Igbo families in their TV production. Check most movie production by 'Redeemed' and see the HATEFUL ways they constantly portray Igbos and Igbo families, yet, their GO will allow such HATE in his media only to come out to the public putting his face like the most righteous man on earth. But their heart are all filled with HATE. Yet, your Nigerian State own NBC allow all these nonsense to air. IPOB came into existence around 2012 and only started giving them the dish (HATE) they have been serving Igbos for the past 50 years and more; but still you could only see the HATE from IPOB. This also shows you are not neutral hence the response you got from my people. [/b]

Well put. Simply magnificent.

khSteel:


Thanks for your response.

Your response shows you have also observed the HATE coming out from your corner of Nigeria; however, the only contention you have is that you think it's a reactionary human nature from your people...according to you because of Igbos' ambition of turning Lagos into a non-Yoruba state hence, you think Igbos deserve all the HATE from your corner of Nigeria.

@fratermathy & others; kindly take note.


Let's address this Igbos ambition of turning Lagos into a non-Yoruba state.

When has Igbos ever voted against Yoruba interest in Lagos State?

I can only remember 2015, if you have contrary evidence please provide it.

Before we look into Igbos desires/ambition in 2015, let's review events of 2013 with respects to the Anambra State governorship elections where Ngige contested under the banner of ACN.

We all saw how ACN and your leaders tried to force Ngige on Anambra in 2013/2014; and when Ngige got defeated, we all saw how ACN and your leaders went on media blitz blasting Igbos for their political choice on TVC, Channels TV SunRise programme & AIT Focus Nigeria...calling us all manner of names and telling us how Ngige was the best Ijebu garri in town. How can people in SW Nigeria know what's best for people in Anambra?

That silly acts of 2013/2014 was what triggered the political consciousness of Igbos in 2015, and we all saw people threatening Igbos with the Lagoon and all what not for exercising our constitutionally guaranteed rights. Igbos are not trees, they are bound to respond...

Have you also noticed how your leaders are always the very first to play dirty politics and when the other parties have finished learning work and starts displaying their new skills, you/your leaders will start shouting nonsense.

We all saw how APC/Lai Mohammed lied bare-face lies and pushed-out HATEFUL narratives in the build-up to 2015 elections, after elections and even as at today...yet, you will never see that cause LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOUR PARENTS HAVE TAUGHT YOU PEOPLE TO PILE-UP HATE TOWARDS IGBOs as a NATURAL ORDER; hence, you don't understand why IPOB is changing the natural flow of HATE.

Back to the HATE propagated through the use of movies.

Please go and check the YEARS OF PRODUCTION OF MOST 'REDEEMED' 'church/christian' movies; afterwards, come back and tell us how Igbos were ascertaining their political influence in Lagos as far as mid/late 1990s & early 2000s that most of those useless HATEFUL Movies were made.
Also, find a new NARRATIVE of how IGBOs deserves such UNCOUNTABLE QUANTUM AMOUNT OF HATE from your people on media cause this 'your how Igbos deserves it' is dead already; yet, in all this, the NIGERIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION allowed it all to air and go into circulations.


For the records, the amount of HATE in Nigeria (and ANTI-IGBO SENTIMENTS) didn't start recently, it's has always been there as a NIGERIAN STATE policy since 1970 and some sections of Nigeria simply latched-onto to the NIGERIAN 'HATEFUL' STATE POLICIES to propagate their HATE TOWARDS IGBOs to their heart content for 50+ years; guess what, IGBOs endured all these HATE given that them/their PARENTS LOST A WAR.

The question then is, "For How Long Will all These HATE go Unchallenged"?

What's NEW in Nigeria is that the young Igbos are saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH to the one-sided HATE.

The Internet & Social Media gave Igbos a platform, in the recent past, to challenge the UNCOUNTABLE QUANTUM AMOUNT OF HATE coming out from a section of Nigeria and your people CAN'T HANDLE WHAT YOU/YOUR PARENTS have been dishing out these past 50+ years to Igbos.

Wise presentation

I hope that Afonja will respect himself now that he realizes that hate begets hate

..They young ones learnt the
HATE from their parents who taught them that is
was OK to pile up HATE on Igbos, hence, they see
such nonsense as a way of life. When we point out
these HATE to them, they see it as we being too
sensitive...

This part is the issue. Their parents who taught them these hate were used to our parents not returning those hate, but when they( the younger ones) and even their parents try to issue those hate messages against Ndiigbo today, they meet a hate 10times the one they intend dishing out to us, thrown Back at them. And then they accuse us being hateful and too sensitive, because to them, issuing out hate messages towards the Igbos is only normal, Igbos are expected to just chill and ignore them like our naive Igbo frontrunners did.


I was in a Whatsapp group, and a Yoruba youth posted this:

"Hausas always call wrong numbers
Yorubas shout on phone
Igbos lie on phone".

And then they( Nigerians) in that group all went laughing and some of of them( Yorubas and Arewa), started their usual bullshit of how Igbos are generally liars on and off line and are too greedy, cheats, money loving and had soiled Nigerian image abroad and at home.
You would be surprised at how these people parents had all inserted a default Igbophobic setting on them from birth.

Well, I taught them all a bitter lesson there. Using historical facts and figures, I dished out a hate so strong to them that it sent them all crying and they started saying that I'm too sensitive, that the message was only a joke.
I told them that they were all too sensitive too, that my hate filled replies were all jokes too. That we all should be laughing, since it's all joke.

Bottom line is that, they can't take the hate they had been dishing out to Ndiigbo for close to a century now, but we are not deterred, cos we will continue dishing it to them, until every iota of Igbophobia in them installed in them by their Igbophobic frontrunners,who taught them it's Ok to spread Igbophobia around, is destroyed.

We will so reset their default Igbophobic settings that they will know in a reflex reaction type of way, that any Igbophobic message they release will be met with strong hate message filled with facts, sent their way to rip them apart.
They are free to remain Igbophobic in their homes and private gatherings, cos let's face it, it's now part of their genetic make up, there is no erasing it now, but they will not be given the freedom to spread it in public spaces like their Frontrunners were allowed to, by our own frontrunners.

Efewestern:


I usually don't comment on thread like this, I only did so because the op was a brother, no need arguing about nothing, we all know what the urhobo nation wants, I won't come online and start arguing with everyone about things that ain't real, at least before including a tribe in a struggle what you would have done first is to ask if they are interested in such struggle, that's the message the op is trying to pass, you can take a trip from your house to any urhobo land or even itsekiri land and get first hand info yourself,

I still see no reason why I will insult an entire tribe, I still believe in the Nigeria project, so do my brothers, the problem we are facing as a nation is as a result of bad leaders, country not been restructured well (yes I believe restructuring the country will Go a long way in solving our problem), Why most people kill themselves online arguing about religion and tribe the politicians keep looting our common wealth, they keep linking there children to each other for Nigeria .

Yes Urhobos have every right to reject Biafra but give every Urhobo the right to say No to Biafra through a referendum (Direct Democracy)

Do you know why Switzerland is the best country on earth.? It is because they practice what is called Direct Democracy while some other nations practice Representative Democracy eg US Nigeria

One of the best things to be created by men is VOTING

The reason why so many nations are being manipulated by the elites is due to the absence of Direct Democracy

For example, the senate or presidency can wake up one morning to create a law that favours the elites against the people and that law will stand because in Representative Democracy, a bill can become a law without a Referendum(Vote) backing it.

This is not the case in Switzerland

For Biafra, Urhobo, etc republics not to end up like Nigeria, Direct Democracy must be practice so that before a bill becomes a law, it must be the wish of most voters

For this reason, most of us got angry with Fratermathy who kept insisting that Referendum will not hold to give every Urhobo the opportunity to openly reject Biafra

Even Biafra, will not stand until all Igbos are given a say to accept or reject Biafra

Nigeria became a failed nation the day she was created because her inhabitats weren't given the right to Vote for or against her creation

So tell Fratermathy to stop being undemocratic and allow every Urhobo have a say through Direct Democracy (Referendum)

Cc. Pazienza. Khsteel kingzizzy ikechu10 Ngozi123 Amarabae etc

[quote author=khSteel post=55179140][/quote]

Magnificent post, Sir. Thanks X1000

ConqueredWest:



Yes Urhobos have every right to reject Biafra but give every Urhobo the right to say No to Biafra through a referendum (Direct Democracy)

Do you know why Switzerland is the best country on earth.? It is because they practice what is called Direct Democracy while some other nations practice Representative Democracy eg US Nigeria

One of the best things to be created by men is VOTING

The reason why so many nations are being manipulated by the elites is due to the absence of Direct Democracy

For example, the senate or presidency can wake up one morning to create a law that favours the elites against the people and that law will stand because in Representative Democracy, a bill can become a law without a Referendum(Vote) backing it.

This is not the case in Switzerland

For Biafra, Urhobo, etc republics not to end up like Nigeria, Direct Democracy must be practice so that before a bill becomes a law, it must be the wish of most voters

For this reason, most of us got angry with Fratermathy who kept insisting that Referendum will not hold to give every Urhobo the opportunity to openly reject Biafra

Even Biafra, will not stand until all Igbos are given a say to accept or reject Biafra

Nigeria became a failed nation the day she was created because her inhabitats weren't given the right to Vote for or against her creation

So tell Fratermathy to stop being undemocratic and allow every Urhobo have a say through Direct Democracy (Referendum)

Cc. Pazienza. Khsteel kingzizzy ikechu10 Ngozi123 Amarabae etc

We have said it times without number that we never requested for any referendum and therefore we are not interested in it.

Keep your referendum to yourselves. Even if we are voting in a referendum, the choice isn't between Nigeria and Biafra but between Nigeria and our own country. How hard is that to understand? Must you annexe us in your proposed referendum? As far as I am concerned, your referendum will NEVER be a reality unless you limit it to your borders.

That everyone is tired of the Nigerian marriage doesn't mean everyone wants Biafra as an exit plan. We have already openly rejected Biafra officially. Our leaders have said NO on our behalf. What more do you need? You want to force all of us to vote in your referendum? We are not zombies. We have to ask for one. We have to start a movement for a referendum by ourselves. Urhobo is a nation of over 2.5 million people and if a referendum is what we need, more than half of us would be at the forefront of the struggle. It's that simple!!!


Khsteel: I have seen your comments and I am not going to respond to some of the emotional outbursts you resorted to. You said I had something in mind when I opened this thread and you are very correct. I assumed the worst of IPOB Igbos due to me history with them online and they didn't prove me wrong on this thread. However, I acknowledge that you tried to address the issues very well and I appreciate that. You've done far better on this thread than what most of your people have ever done on Nairaland. If I were you, I would caution your brethren to be careful of the words they use, especially with regards to other people's ethnicity. If Hausas come today and insist that Igbos must take a referendum between Nigeria and Niger republic when you did not ask for one, what would the Igbos do? How would you feel? That is exactly how we feel!

The maps peddled by IPOB and some Igbos as the real map of Biafra contains the territories of minorities who have never granted permission to their inclusion in these maps and they have not officially come out to say that they are interested in Biafra. In the history of the Biafran struggle, no minority has been at the frontline. All the propagandists are Igbos. No minority group has openly come out, even in the form of small groups, to pledge loyalty to Biafra. What we have always asked for is the restructuring of Nigeria to give more voice to the minorities in heading their own affairs and controlling their own resources. That remains our wish and you guys know this. So forcing us to undertake a referendum we did not ask for is tantamount to taking away our right to self-determination HOWEVER WE SEE FIT!

I am an advocate for a referendum on the choice between Nigeria and Urhobo Nation or any coalition between MINORITY GROUPS. However my people have not said anything of such or made any request of that nature and so I cannot force my wish on my people. That is how things are done. When my people are ready, we will have our referendum (if at all it gets to that) and BIAFRA won't be on the table as a choice!!!

Gini mere i ji na-amanye onwe gi na a ndị mmadu na-enweghi mmasị? Eziokwu!

khSteel:


Thanks for your response.

[s]Your response shows you have also observed the HATE coming out from your corner of Nigeria; however, the only contention you have is that you think it's a reactionary human nature from your people...according to you because of Igbos' ambition of turning Lagos into a non-Yoruba state hence, you think Igbos deserve all the HATE from your corner of Nigeria.

@fratermathy & others; kindly take note.


Let's address this Igbos ambition of turning Lagos into a non-Yoruba state.

When has Igbos ever voted against Yoruba interest in Lagos State?

I can only remember 2015, if you have contrary evidence please provide it.

Before we look into Igbos desires/ambition in 2015, let's review events of 2013 with respects to the Anambra State governorship elections where Ngige contested under the banner of ACN.

We all saw how ACN and your leaders tried to force Ngige on Anambra in 2013/2014; and when Ngige got defeated, we all saw how ACN and your leaders went on media blitz blasting Igbos for their political choice on TVC, Channels TV SunRise programme & AIT Focus Nigeria...calling us all manner of names and telling us how Ngige was the best Ijebu garri in town. How can people in SW Nigeria know what's best for people in Anambra?

That silly acts of 2013/2014 was what triggered the political consciousness of Igbos in 2015, and we all saw people threatening Igbos with the Lagoon and all what not for exercising our constitutionally guaranteed rights. Igbos are not trees, they are bound to respond...

Have you also noticed how your leaders are always the very first to play dirty politics and when the other parties have finished learning work and starts displaying their new skills, you/your leaders will start shouting nonsense.

We all saw how APC/Lai Mohammed lied bare-face lies and pushed-out HATEFUL narratives in the build-up to 2015 elections, after elections and even as at today...yet, you will never see that cause LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOUR PARENTS HAVE TAUGHT YOU PEOPLE TO PILE-UP HATE TOWARDS IGBOs as a NATURAL ORDER; hence, you don't understand why IPOB is changing the natural flow of HATE.

Back to the HATE propagated through the use of movies.

Please go and check the YEARS OF PRODUCTION OF MOST 'REDEEMED' 'church/christian' movies; afterwards, come back and tell us how Igbos were ascertaining their political influence in Lagos as far as mid/late 1990s & early 2000s that most of those useless HATEFUL Movies were made.
Also, find a new NARRATIVE of how IGBOs deserves such UNCOUNTABLE QUANTUM AMOUNT OF HATE from your people on media cause this 'your how Igbos deserves it' is dead already; yet, in all this, the NIGERIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION allowed it all to air and go into circulations.


For the records, the amount of HATE in Nigeria (and ANTI-IGBO SENTIMENTS) didn't start recently, it's has always been there as a NIGERIAN STATE policy since 1970 and some sections of Nigeria simply latched-onto to the NIGERIAN 'HATEFUL' STATE POLICIES to propagate their HATE TOWARDS IGBOs to their heart content for 50+ years; guess what, IGBOs endured all these HATE given that them/their PARENTS LOST A WAR.

The question then is, "For How Long Will all These HATE go Unchallenged"?

What's NEW in Nigeria is that the young Igbos are saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH to the one-sided HATE.

The Internet & Social Media gave Igbos a platform, in the recent past, to challenge the UNCOUNTABLE QUANTUM AMOUNT OF HATE coming out from a section of Nigeria and your people CAN'T HANDLE WHAT YOU/YOUR PARENTS have been dishing out these past 50+ years to Igbos.

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I dont have time for your wailing. The ethnic struggle in Nigeria is competition for political supremacy. You loose some, you gain some.

If Yoruba block your gains its not because of hatred, devise a way to outsmart Yoruba next time. Stop the whining and complain, and if outsmarting Yoruba is not possible then accept your losses, and if thats still unbearable then separate from Yoruba completely.

You cannot evangelize for biafran referendum with mouth but everyday pack your people into bus and wagons and migrate out of biafra into Yorubaland....that's self-hate, and that's the root of your many problems .....but you mis-diagnosed it a Yoruba hatred!

fratermathy:


We have said it times without number that we never requested for any referendum and therefore we are not interested in it.

Keep your referendum to yourselves. Even if we are voting in a referendum, the choice isn't between Nigeria and Biafra but between Nigeria and our own country. How hard is that to understand? Must you annexe us in your proposed referendum? As far as I am concerned, your referendum will NEVER be a reality unless you limit it to your borders.

That everyone is tired of the Nigerian marriage doesn't mean everyone wants Biafra as an exit plan. We have already openly rejected Biafra officially. Our leaders have said NO on our behalf. What more do you need? You want to force all of us to vote in your referendum? We are not zombies. We have to ask for one. We have to start a movement for a referendum by ourselves. Urhobo is a nation of over 2.5 million people and if a referendum is what we need, more than half of us would be at the forefront of the struggle. It's that simple!!!


Khsteel: I have seen your comments and I am not going to respond to some of the emotional outbursts you resorted to. You said I had something in mind when I opened this thread and you are very correct. I assumed the worst of IPOB Igbos due to me history with them online and they didn't prove me wrong on this thread. However, I acknowledge that you tried to address the issues very well and I appreciate that. You've done far better on this thread than what most of your people have ever done on Nairaland. If I were you, I would caution your brethren to be careful of the words they use, especially with regards to other people's ethnicity. If Hausas come today and insist that Igbos must take a referendum between Nigeria and Niger republic when you did not ask for one, what would the Igbos do? How would you feel? That is exactly how we feel!

The maps peddled by IPOB and some Igbos as the real map of Biafra contains the territories of minorities who have never granted permission to their inclusion in these maps and they have not officially come out to say that they are interested in Biafra. In the history of the Biafran struggle, no minority has been at the frontline. All the propagandists are Igbos. No minority group has openly come out, even in the form of small groups, to pledge loyalty to Biafra. What we have always asked for is the restructuring of Nigeria to give more voice to the minorities in heading their own affairs and controlling their own resources. That remains our wish and you guys know this. So forcing us to undertake a referendum we did not ask for is tantamount to taking away our right to self-determination HOWEVER WE SEE FIT!

I am an advocate for a referendum on the choice between Nigeria and Urhobo Nation or any coalition between MINORITY GROUPS. However my people have not said anything of such or made any request of that nature and so I cannot force my wish on my people. That is how things are done. When my people are ready, we will have our referendum (if at all it gets to that) and BIAFRA won't be on the table as a choice!!!

Gini mere i ji na-amanye onwe gi na a ndị mmadu na-enweghi mmasị? Eziokwu!

Who are the we.?

Don't tell me is a few group of people


Referendum remains the surest way to determine the mind of people

Azikwe took a decision against the Ibibio representing the East and incurred the wrath of the Igbos to this day

Why.? Because he failed to allow the people decide for themselves if to retain the Ibibio man or not

Till his death, Ojukwu and his father never liked Azikwe


Stop being undemocratic like Azikwe

Adopt the Swiss method of Direct Democracy which gives room for Referendum.

Many Eastern European countries were faring better than USSR in the 80's! Let's not even talk about the Western Europe and USA and Japan.

Tesla motors is running on soviet technology

fratermathy:
I understand that I am stepping into controversial waters but I feel this has to be said, given the fact that Urhobo-Isokoland is added to the proposed Biafra Nation. Silence may mean consent. This has to be said and I anticipate a very exciting and non-tribalistic discussion of the issues I have raised. I have already made this comment on a thread elsewhere on this forum but I need it to be a thread of its own in order to attract more comments and reach out to IPOB youths which the message is directed to.

I don't know when speaking English came to mean being intelligent. Writing an epistle such as this does not add any ounce of intelligence on your part, it just takes a single sentence to expose what is wrong with our dear country.

You say Urhobo/Isokoland is added to the proposed Biafra. Added by who if i may ask? Pls tell me, because i've seen different versions of the Biafran map drawn by different people to massage their utopian cravings. It's normal for people to speak based on their understanding on issues and it should not be seen as a collective acceptance of such cravings.

I'm not a PRO Biafrran person myself but you people just whip of the most stupid defence ever in a bid to make sense but you fail woefully. kai.

khSteel:

Thank you sir. God bless you imensely for this and for all your amazing efforts.