ephi123:
Why are some people so bent on discrediting this thread?

.....because the thread is filled with mostly lies that won't help black people get smart and redeem ourselves through hard work.
Correct history, that is not manipulated or fabricated, should encourage the new generation to do better than their ancestors.
Is that the case here? No!
Do we have blacks putting money to research and document our history? No!
As someone asked, how come we are still so poor, without basic things like tap water, electricity and education for everyone if we truly dominated and ruled Europe in the past for 1,000 years as claimed by the OP?

seguno2:


.....because the thread is filled with mostly lies that won't help black people get smart and redeem ourselves through hard work.
Correct history, that is not manipulated or fabricated, should encourage the new generation to do better than their ancestors.
Is that the case here? No!
Do we have blacks putting money to research and document our history? No!
As someone asked, how come we are still so poor, without basic things like tap water, electricity and education for everyone if we truly dominated and ruled Europe in the past for 1,000 years as claimed by the OP?

But then what I would expect them to do is create a COUNTER thread with the evidence they have, rather than derail the thread of someone who is making the effort to educate people who have forgotten their history.

ephi123:
But then what I would expect them to do is create a COUNTER thread with the evidence they have, rather than derail the thread of someone who is making the effort to educate people who have forgotten their history.

The evidence to show that the OP is mostly telling lies should be presented here for easy comparison.
We need to remember our history- good, bad and ugly- no doubt. However, we do ourselves a lot of disservice by over-spicing it to the point of distortion.
Let us revive our history through books, research and monuments that are focused on making us work smarter and better to improve on the legacies we inherited and correct the mistakes of the past.

seguno2:


The evidence to show that the OP is mostly telling lies should be presented here for easy comparison.
We need to remember our history- good, bad and ugly- no doubt. However, we do ourselves a lot of disservice by over-spicing it to the point of distortion.
Let us revive our history through books, research and monuments that are focused on making us work smarter and better to improve on the legacies we inherited and correct the mistakes of the past.

I totally agree with you on that.
I feel he is at least making an effort and it's not nice how the other guys are just pulling down his work. But I do get your point.

ephi123:
I totally agree with you on that.
I feel he is at least making an effort and it's not nice how the other guys are just pulling down his work. But I do get your point.

Thanks.
I think that we should not sacrifice beneficial honesty on the altar of wanting to be nice.
Cheers.

seguno2:


Thanks.
I think that we should not sacrifice beneficial honesty on the altar of wanting to be nice.
Cheers.

Cheers.

France (1760) Terracotta Portrait Bust, 61 cm.



This is a statue from the year 1017

The time when “EVERYONE” in Europe was White does not exist.

They knew what people with brown skin looked like because they were there.

They knew what “Africans” looked like because they were there, and they weren’t “they”, they were us, or you.

Moors in European Art History http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/

seguno2:


The evidence to show that the OP is mostly telling lies should be presented here for easy comparison.
We need to remember our history- good, bad and ugly- no doubt. However, we do ourselves a lot of disservice by over-spicing it to the point of distortion.
Let us revive our history through books, research and monuments that are focused on making us work smarter and better to improve on the legacies we inherited and correct the mistakes of the past.

Word!

why does the picture of France's Charles V have white hands? what was the source for these images OP?

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On closer inspection,it would seem he's wearing a glove,or maybe that's just his sleeve?... watevs,interesting post. no be today.

OMG , what a funny thread , trying to still history of other poeple , so north african berbers ( numidia carthage , tarik ibn ziyad ...ect ... ) were a black civilisation , french king charle V was black skin , and because a swedish queen adopted a black slave from an island in its court so blacks ruled sweden

revisionism of a ridiculous source ( who called whites poeples , albinos in pic comments) , seriuously guys ??

Braden2:
- why would the color of the glove be beige of all colors? And how small would is hands be to fit into that glove?

The color choice is puzzling,to be sure,but then there's a lot of that colour in his upper body costume too. Maybe he was trying to relate to the majority of his subjects as they were mostly white. And his hands are actually proportional to his body, the style of art is not really realistic per se,so the proportions would be a bit off. Seriously sha,those hands look really really white

hodari:
The letter of the Moor by Pietro Longhi

its a domestic , in the 18th centary there was slavery

Nowenuse:




All manners of genetic testing has been done and inspite of the fact that many Arabs and Europeans have inflitrated North Africa, yet, most North Africans bear exactly the same genetic markers with other Africans.

DNA cannot lie. I would have bombarded this thread with the results of similarities of the genetic markers of North Africans and SubSaharan africans but i really don't think you are worth the effort.

You are nothing but a troll here.

Initially i thought you had a reasonable perspective and i was on partly on your side, but i think now, it has been clear to all observing parties that you and Braden2 have ulterior motives and missions here which i bet you guys have failed.

Kudos to our heroes once again, Rosskii and Horus and every other Black and African loving African who has contributed positively to this thread to this thread.

thats absolutely false , have you a source ?? show them , i have seen the genetics studies in maghreb , their DNA is mostly berbers , yeh berbers the ethnic group indigenous to North Africa from prehistory Neolithic . and had powerful civilisation Numidia , Carthage ect ....

you can find easily a genetic composition study about tunisians , they found : 88% of berbers genes , 5% europeens genes, 4% arabic genes and only 2 % from Western and Central Africa combined.

1st pic tunisians genetic composition

2nd egyptian genetic composition

source : https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations-next-gen/

Rosskii:

[s]
Selective altruism. You care more about one forumer's use of a certain word than the entire thrust of the thread. Where is your outrage over the whitewashing of African history by your foreign friends? The many atrocities committed by them? All you've done here is praise them and insult Africans. YOU are an advocate of white supremacy, whether you use the word or not. FAR MORE than that guy is an advocate of black supremacy. Your words throughout this debate bury you. Your racist attacks on Africans show you up as an apologist for white racists. Your seeking to divide blacks into ''sub Saharan'' and ''non-sub Saharan'' is classic white racist divide and rule, and an attempt to separate black Africans from their mighty Egyptian heritage. A racist philiosophy that presupposes that Hamitic Africans are somehow more intelligent than ''sub Saharan'' Africans. We know all that stuff and where it comes from. It comes from discredited 19th century white racist philosophies relating to the so called Hamitic Hypothesis. So I know where you are coming from, and the racist, white supremacist ideology you are trying to propagate here.

That is why you flew off your handle when a ''sub-Saharan'' African, the ''lowest'' on your wretched racist ladder, 'dared' to utter the word 'supremacy' over white people. Nonsense. If the guy is advocating a black supremacist ideology, he certainly has more of a right to do so than anyone else considering the grossly brutal experience Africans have been been through at the hands of their ''brothers'' in white and yellow skin across the world.

Allied to that is their penchant for falsifying history to place Africans as the world's ''non achievers'' DESPITE what the history says. So I'm not angry at the brother for suggesting a black supremacist ideology to counter the tide of anti-Africanism. He may not be 100% right, but he sure has every right to suggest his way forward without you flying off your handle.[/s].

Rosskii:

[s]
This sub-saharan nonsense of yours only makes sense when you are a white racist who thinks that blacks in Nubia or Sudan, are somehow superior to, or more intelligent than blacks in southern Nigeria or Congo. Egypt was a black African civilization. Countless visitors to Egypt stated the Egyptians were black people. NOT MIXED, NOT SOME WHITE, SOME YELLOW, but BLACK.

Whether it was sub-saharan, north-saharan, south-saharan, inside-saharan or outside-saharan, is 10000% immaterial. They were black Africans. End Of Story. Out ancestors. When the Nile Valley blacks were conquered, many of them found their way to West, Central, and East Africa. Your miserable attempt to divide us from our majestic Kemetic heritage is a spectacular failure.



The Great Sphinx of Giza, Egypt. Estimated Date of Construction - UNKNOWN....PRE HISTORY!!

[img]https://bolstablog.files./2010/03/sphinx-riddle.jpg[/img]



DE VOLNEY


Count Constantine de Volney -- a French nobleman, philosopher, historian, orientalist, and politician -- embarked on a journey to the East in late 1782 and reached Ottoman Egypt were he spent nearly seven months.


"All the Egyptians," wrote de Volney, "have a bloated face, puffed-up eyes, flat nose, thick lips – in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says:

' As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians
because, like them, they are black with woolly hair...

"When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their 'mulatto' appearance)

"In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold.

"Just think," de Volney declared incredulously, "that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites!

"In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original color but retained the impress of its original mould."

M. Constantine de Volney, Travels through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783, 1784, and 1785 (London: 1787), p. 80-83.

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/sphinx.htm[/s]

Trash.

Attached is a screenshot of part map of Europe, the Middle East, and Asia.

Look how the lands are meshed together.

Russia in Europe sharing a border with China in Asia.

Turkey in the Middle East sharing a border with Bulgaria and Georgia in Europe.

Afghanistan in the Middle East sharing a border with Pakistan in the Indian sub-continent.

Do you know why Middle East is called the "Middle East" and Asia is called the "Far East"?

Look at the map and be enlightened.

These are the different peoples with varying degree of skin tones and phenotype features occupying one large swathe of land and going by different Demonyms. The Europeans, Semites, Asiatic peoples all share one large swath of land but have different identities.

Yet you with your inferiority complex think the worst when such understandable and reasonable categorizations are made in Africa.

When they divided that swathe of land into different regions, there's no crime. But when it's done in Africa it's a problem.

Look at Egypt sharing a direct boundary with Jordan in the Middle East. Yet you say there's no such thing as North Africa-sub-Saharan Africa dichotomy. So, I'll ask you, are you and the Middle Eastern people the same? Since Africa and Middle East share a direct topographical connection.

All you ignorant illiterate simpletons who don't know anything about history or geography would keep making a fool of yourself.

Also attached is the sculpture of Xerxes I, the fourth King of Kings of the Achaemenid dynasty, Destroyer of Athens, 3rd Pharoah of the 27th Dynasty of Egypt, and Emperor of Persia. Does it mean the Persians were blacks too? Is it not clear they were mixed like the North Africans.

All of you with your inferiority complex. Doing unnecessary attache by force.

Don't stay and develop your poverty-stricken, disease-filled sub-Saharan Africa, keep clawing on straws.

Don't stop with Egyptians were only blacks. Continue. Say Indians were only blacks too. Persians were only blacks too. Ignorant supremacists.

Make una go one Egyptian city center go claim say Ancient Egypt was solely populated by black Africans. Mk them use slap correct una empty skulls. Nonsense propaganda.

-Lord

chkil0:


its a domestic , in the 18th centary there was slavery

That is a postman in 18th Century Venice. You are a liar.

hodari:

That is a postman in 18th Century Venice. You are a liar.

a source ? he gived the letter to its master so its a postman , Sherlock Holmes ? a free black man working as postman in venice 18th centary ? its a domestic its clear ! not a noble or something like this . black africans ruling europens ? what a joke , you will find only some slaves , domestic or bastard born of a servant ,to which, they gave some functions, no need to exaggerate , ruled europe

modz:
why does the picture of France's Charles V have white hands? what was the source for these images OP?

Use your brain. Those are gloves.

chkil0:


a source ? Sherlock Holmes ? a free black man working as postman in venice 18th centary ? its a domestic its clear ! not a noble or something like this . black africans ruling europens what a joke , you will find only some slaves , domestic or bastard born of a servant , nothing more

You are embarrassing yourself. If there was a Black ruler of Florence (Italy) in the 16th Century-Alessandro de Medici-what is a mere postman?

Rosskii:
Use your brain. Those are gloves.

charle V black hhh if the french hear you they will suicide ! a black

this is charle V


his father is jean II ( 2nd pic) white , his moher was Bonne de Luxembourg (white also) ,

all his brothers sisters are white :
Blanche (1336-1336)
Charles V (1337-1380), futur roi de France de 1364 à 1380.
Catherine (1338-1338)
Louis (1339-1384) duc d'Anjou
Jean (1340-1416) duc de Berry
Philippe II le Hardi (1342-1404) duc de Bourgogne
Jeanne (1343-1373)
Marie (1344-1404)
Agnès de Valois (1345-1349)
Marguerite (1347-1352)
Isabelle (1348-1372)

all his sons are white also :

- Jeanne (1357-1360)
- Jean (1359-1364)
- Bonne (1360)
- Jean (1366)
- Charles (1368-1422), king of France 1380 à 1422 Charles VI
- Marie (1370-1377)
- Louis (1372-1407), duc d’Orléans à partir de 1392
- Catherine (1378-1388), duchesse de Berry et comtesse de Montpensier par son mariage avec Jean II de Berry

so how could charle black ? ridiculous nonsense

seguno2:


.....because the thread is filled with mostly lies that won't help black people get smart and redeem ourselves through hard work.
Correct history, that is not manipulated or fabricated, should encourage the new generation to do better than their ancestors.
Is that the case here? No!
Do we have blacks putting money to research and document our history? No!
As someone asked, how come we are still so poor, without basic things like tap water, electricity and education for everyone if we truly dominated and ruled Europe in the past for 1,000 years as claimed by the OP?

Illiterate. What single rebuttal backed by evidence have you presented in order to declare this thread is filled with lies? How many quotes - all attributed with links - have you found to be false? Those family crests showing African elite, you think they are fake? Have you researched their sources? I mean, it really is disgusting the extent some of you feel so inferior that you would dismiss outright such evidence WITHOUT INVESTIGATION of their sources. It shows the extent of colonial mentality afflicting your pathetic selves.

You only get smart when you see black people in history. Where was your smartness when the whites were feeding you images of a white Jesus, white Moses, white Mary, white Pharaohs etc. Did you ever demand evidence from them to prove those people were white? What do you think of the two popes shown worshipping the black Jesus and Mary? Or you think that image was fake too? Pathetic, ignorant, brainwashed, self-hating wastrels. If you cannot refute cogently with evidence the information posted here, which you can't, I suggest you take your pathetic, stupid selves and move on to a thread that helps you maintain your racial inferiority complex, since you cannot handle one that challenges it.

Rosskii:
Illiterate. What single rebuttal backed by evidence have you presented in order to declare this thread is filled with lies? How many quotes - all attributed with links - have you found to be false? Those family crests showing African elite, you think they are fake? Have you researched their sources? I mean, it really is disgusting the extent some of you feel so inferior that you would dismiss outright such evidence WITHOUT INVESTIGATION of their sources. It shows the extent of colonial mentality afflicting your pathetic selves.

You only get smart when you see black people in history. Where was your smartness when the whites were feeding you images of a white Jesus, white Moses, white Mary, white Pharaohs etc. Did you ever demand evidence from them to prove those people were white? What do you think of the two popes shown worshipping the black Jesus and Mary? Or you think that image was fake too? Pathetic, brainwashed, self-hating, worthless wastes of space..

dont get too worked up.....400 years of slavery is not beans...

just keep your side and move on...their are others you need to reach that dont know any of this...it would be sad for you to get discouraged just because of some on nairaland.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybDa0gSuAcg

chkil0:



charle V black hhh if the french hear you they will suicide ! a black

this is charle V


his father is jean II ( 2nd pic) white , his moher was Bonne de Luxembourg (white also) ,

all his brothers sisters are white :
Blanche (1336-1336)
Charles V (1337-1380), futur roi de France de 1364 à 1380.
Catherine (1338-1338)
Louis (1339-1384) duc d'Anjou
Jean (1340-1416) duc de Berry
Philippe II le Hardi (1342-1404) duc de Bourgogne
Jeanne (1343-1373)
Marie (1344-1404)
Agnès de Valois (1345-1349)
Marguerite (1347-1352)
Isabelle (1348-1372)

all his sons are white also :

- Jeanne (1357-1360)
- Jean (1359-1364)
- Bonne (1360)
- Jean (1366)
- Charles (1368-1422), king of France 1380 à 1422 Charles VI
- Marie (1370-1377)
- Louis (1372-1407), duc d’Orléans à partir de 1392
- Catherine (1378-1388), duchesse de Berry et comtesse de Montpensier par son mariage avec Jean II de Berry

so how could charle black ? ridiculous nonsense

Do you want me to post evidence of WHITEWASHING? I'll be more than happy to. If you think there is no whitewashing of evidence, ask yourself how Jesus and Mary turned white, despite the fact that numerous churches in Europe today STILL display images of the original pure black Jesus and Mary, known as the Black Madonna, which we saw two living Popes kneeling down to worship. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT DISCREPANCY? I mean, you cannot be white and black at the same time, can you?

Do you know I can post you ancient images of the Israelites, the disciples etc, which show they were black people? How did they all turn white in later paintings and artwork? To the point that when you envision your ur saviour today, you see a white blonde man?

You people are always very dumb to such machinations by the whites. But the minute you see contrary information showing black heroes, you immediately turn sharp, questioning everything, demanding evidence, insulting posters etc. You are still slaves. That's what it shows. Hope you recover soon.

Moety:


You are embarrassing yourself. If there was a Black ruler of Florence (Italy) in the 16th Century-Alessandro de Medici-what is a mere postman?

a half black african you mean , his father gived him his position not his mother a black african servant , Though illegitimate, he was the last member of the "senior" branch of the Medici to rule Florence and the first to be a hereditary duke. nothing to be proud of as a black african specially that he was only a duc of florence and only for 5 years 1532- 1537

chkil0:


a half black african you mean , his father gived him his position not his mother a black african servant , nothing to be proud of as a black african specially that he was only a duc of florence and only for 5 years 1532- 1537

people like you should just keep the past...we blacks are not interested argueing about the past...

am surely not whorshiping white jesus christ....only this i know...and thats enough for me as a black man........