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Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Nobody: 7:49pm On May 09, 2017 |
hammer6:Forget this e-warriors. They are noise makers. Situation on ground speaks otherwise.... Some of them com-mentors here might not even be from Ijaw. so 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by GodIsBiafran: 7:56pm On May 09, 2017 |
hammer6: Ijaws remain our closest ally. Make no mistake about that. Ignore insignificant morons like Tonye Barcanista. Who spends 90% of his time on this earth concocting subtle/passive aggressive anti-Igbo rhetorics. Tonye is not recognized as an Ijaw of worth. He does not decide for Ijaw people who I know very well. 2 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by hammer6: 8:04pm On May 09, 2017 |
blues20: GodIsBiafran: For SS/SE sake, i hope u two are correct about that. lol |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Nobody: 8:21pm On May 09, 2017 |
hammer6:I cannot say of western Ijaws, but the Eastern Ijaws are too close knitted with the Igbos.... especially from the Ikwerre axis, beginning from Obakiri, down to Iginigbar, (Opobo and Bonny) etc, you see a natural blend of the two ethnic group. Century of co-existence without any record history of hostility. If not for Nigerian politics..... 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by hammer6: 8:31pm On May 09, 2017 |
blues20: Yeah! Eastern and western dynamics, with Bayelsa in the middle. The good part is the record of peaceful co-existence. We need to build economically on that. Peace has economic gain. |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by nengibo: 8:43pm On May 09, 2017 |
blues20:Mie erebo, thats why Ikwerre is an ethnic nation of its own, that's the general opinion of Ikwerre people not that of Ijaw, yoruba or Igbo |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Nobody: 8:46pm On May 09, 2017 |
nengibo:Who is arguing that with you. An average Igbo from Imo or Abia will understand Ikwerre better than Ebonyi dialect. Ikwerre, culturally and linguistically is Igbo, but politically they are not. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by hammer6: 8:50pm On May 09, 2017 |
blues20: Any sensible person would know they are saying the same thing but differentiation in pronunciation. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by hammer6: 8:52pm On May 09, 2017 |
blues20: Word! That is y u see them in Ohaneze, Massob and IPOB. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Nobody: 9:01pm On May 09, 2017 |
hammer6: Wow I've learnt something new today. 1. Okrika has 2 first languages and Ibo is 1 2. There's a part of Abuloma that's not Port Harcourt After spewing these rubbish I know you will be feeling fulfilled. 2 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by hammer6: 9:05pm On May 09, 2017 |
Ekinematics: Urhobo boy, respect ur sef Oo 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Nobody: 9:07pm On May 09, 2017 |
hammer6: From afonja to Urhobo. Maybe next time you'll call me Hausa. See how confused you lots are? 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by hammer6: 9:09pm On May 09, 2017 |
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Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by TonyeBarcanista(m): 9:12pm On May 09, 2017 |
Ekinematics:Very funny... That's why I don't bother responding to such... 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Nobody: 9:12pm On May 09, 2017 |
hammer6: You really need a psychiatric evaluation. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Dedetwo(m): 9:45pm On May 09, 2017 |
HarryDuce: It is a pity you have been destroyed by the saga of abandoned property. Have you inquired the reasons behind abandoned property policy only in Port Harcourt? Ijo never ventured beyond the edges of waterside in Abonema before the civil war. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by fratermathy(m): 9:47pm On May 09, 2017 |
GodIsBiafran: You are getting it wrong. There is a difference between dialects and language family. Igbo has many dialects such as Ngwa, Aro, Enuani, Owerre, Bende, Ezza, Wawa, etc. Yoruba also has various dialects like Ekiti, Ijebu, Awori, Igbomina, Ilaje, etc. However, there are some languages that are not regarded as dialects but simply a member of a specific language family either as a derivative or by other linguistic or socio-cultural factors. In Nigeria, many languages are derived from others but these new languages have taken different shapes that they cannot be called dialects anymore. Apart from the linguistic factor, socio-cultural factors also play important roles. Speakers of certain derivative languages can take a distinct ethnic identity from its proto-linguistic ethnic group and thus, seizes to be a dialect. Let me demonstrate what I have said: 1. Itsekiri is a Yoruboid language but not a dialect of Yoruba because the Itsekiri language has taken new linguistic forms, mostly from Bini, Urhobo and Ijaw. Apart from the linguistic exclusiveness ushered by these new forms, Itsekiri speakers have also taken a distinct identity from Yoruba, as evident in their way of life. This explanation goes for the Igala as well. 2. Urhobo, Isoko, Erhowa, Okpe, Epie-Atissa, Ishan, Afenmai, Etsako, Degema, etc, are regarded as Edoid languages. This means they all originate from a proto-Edoid language. However, they have evolved in isolation over the years, so much that they are mutually unintelligible to their speakers. They have also had new forms which were ushered by the languages they came in contact with. Culturally, they are all distinct. They cannot, thus, be said to be dialects of Edo but members of the Edoid language family. Each of these languages even has its own dialects as proof of its distinctive shape. 3. The above examples shed light on the issue at hand concerning Ikwerre, as well as Ukwuani, Ika, and some other languages spoken in Rivers State. These languages are Igboid but they cannot be called dialects of Igbo because they have evolved over the years to be unintelligible to Igbo speakers. Their cultures have also evolved to be quite distinct from mainstream Igbo culture and they also have their own dialects. So to answer your question: Igbo actually has dialects, as earlier mentioned, such as Ngwa, Owerre, Enuani, Ezza, etc. However, some languages are simply derivatives of Igbo, and nothing more. Ikwerre falls within the latter. This is the status quo in current linguistic studies on Ikwerre. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by nengibo: 9:50pm On May 09, 2017 |
blues20:Big lie, no igbo will understand Ikwerre, how are Ikwerre culturally igbo? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Dedetwo(m): 9:56pm On May 09, 2017 |
nengibo: Please pay a visit to some parts of Obirinze. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by nengibo: 10:02pm On May 09, 2017 |
Dedetwo:ifeanyiAdemola mind your business, go and play outside 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by GodIsBiafran: 10:08pm On May 09, 2017 |
fratermathy:You are the one getting it wrong - Not me. fratermathy:Almost correct but you forgot to include Ikwerre in the Igbo dialect list - I have corrected your error. fratermathy:Story for the gods. So? How does this affect Ikwerre as an Igbo group. Ikwerres belong to every major Igbo socio-cultural group. So what nonsense are you spewing? fratermathy:Ikwerre is not synonymous to Itsekiri. Ikwerre is more like Ijebu. Use your head now fratermathy:Again. Ikwerre is to Igbo what Ijebu is to Yoruba. Not what Urhobo et. al is to Edo OR Itsekiri is to Yoruba. fratermathy:This topic is not about Ika or Ukwuani but Ikwerre. Stay on topic. fratermathy:You clearly do NOT know Ikwerre or their relationship with Igbo. This is why I advice some of you to study before spewing. STUDY BEFORE SPEWING. ENOUGH SAID. 3 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by kingzizzy: 10:08pm On May 09, 2017 |
nengibo: Anyone who speaks Ikwerre will understand Igbo 100%, however, an Anambra man such as me will understand the Ikwerre Elele people speak much better than the more difficult one spoken in Emohua. But if I went to Ezza or Izzi in Ebonyi, I would be lost. 2 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Amarabae(f): 10:10pm On May 09, 2017 |
let me make my little contribution here. people misunderstood prof utomi. the case of PH ownership is controversial,but The ikwerres have the upperhand in ownership of Portharcourt. all this noise is not necessary. PH was there before you were born,it will be there after you are gone. 4 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by GodIsBiafran: 10:13pm On May 09, 2017 |
^^^ Igweocha ownership is ONLY controversial to people who REFUSE to study history. Igweocha is no less Igbo than Aba or Asaba. QUOTE ME ANYWHERE. 3 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by fratermathy(m): 10:18pm On May 09, 2017 |
GodIsBiafran: You have not said anything meaningful, at the least back up your counter-statements with believable facts. I have presented my argument based on facts, as logically as possible without resorts to sentiments. I am not surprised at the angle you chose to take. IPOB youths are not known to be cerebral. I won't waste precious time educating a troll. Goodnight! 3 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Nobody: 10:19pm On May 09, 2017 |
nengibo:You are entitled to your opinion. Are you telling me that if an Omalelu man speaks, an Oguta man will not understand? You see your life. Madam Nengi, I feel like laughing at your naivety. . Check both dialect side by side, and you will see huge similarities.... 3 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by AkinPhysicist: 10:20pm On May 09, 2017 |
GodIsBiafran: Dude - I stopped taking you seriously when you called the Ijaws of Port Harcout VISITORS. Walahi, that is probably the dumbest statement I have heard in a very long time. The funny thing is you know you are lying but somehow you are hoping that you can intimidate this ancient people to abandon their homeland. Good luck but guess what? It ain't gonna happen 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by GodIsBiafran: 10:25pm On May 09, 2017 |
fratermathy: Don't be mad. You presented lies dressed up as 'facts' and I exposed you. Don't blame me. Blame your poor education. 4 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by GodIsBiafran: 10:27pm On May 09, 2017 |
AkinPhysicist: Typical Yoruba. Putting his Afonja nose into issues he has absolutely no concern with. Please leave Igbo matters alone. You are not invited. 2 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by AkinPhysicist: 10:33pm On May 09, 2017 |
GodIsBiafran: This thread is about Port Harcourt. Maybe if the real owners of Port Harcourt ask me not to interfere I might consider it. But how can an OSU like you decide who gets to discuss Port Harcourt? Common, why would I even consider your request? 8 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by PFRB: 10:54pm On May 09, 2017 |
Ekinematics: How do Okrika people speak Igbo as a second language? ? ? ? 3 Likes |
Re: Port Harcourt Is Not Part Of Igbo Land. by Ndiofe: 11:08pm On May 09, 2017 |
fratermathy: There is a big difference between Edo and Igbo cases. Igbo people understand Ikwerre and Ikwerre understand igbo. The key difference is the pronunciation sound for the same word. Ikwere is an igbo dialect. There are more complicated form of igbo dialect than Ikwere in Ebonyi, but they will tell u that they are igbo. A classic example of wat u are trying to explain is applicable to Ekpeye. Igbo people cannot understand Ekpeye but it is an Igboid language. So Ekpeye will fit in with ur example number 2. Ekpeye principal dialects are Ako, Upata, Ubie, and Igbuduya 3 Likes |
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