KingEbukasBlog:


The poverty rate and adversities being faced in Atheist countries who are intolerant of religion are out of this world E.g North Korea and Cuba .

Have been to any of these two countries ?

I am betting you that on a per capita basis, a North Korean and a Cuban live better than a better quality of life a Nigerian or any country in sub Sahara African, except for south Africa and Angola.

Trudax:
Does anyone see a correlation here?

Cc Dalaman Plaetton Hahn Kingebukasblog

Straight line correlation.

Trudax:

... I am a black Nigerian who is concerned about the state and future of his country and his people. I want to be part of something that I and my posterity would be proud of. The current picture of Nigeria and sub-saharan Africa is nothing to be proud of. And all I am doing with this thread is highlighting a crucial underlying cause of this shameful image that is being portrayed by my people.

I know you are really concerned. The thing is most of us don't even have a conscience, I've tried church and pentecostalism but those are some of the worst narcissists you may ever come across. Nigeria, as it is currently, is a disgrace to independent nations. I liken us to putting dogs in office with computers, paperwork, and printers. What the dogs would simply do is to shi*t all over the place, nothing more, nothing unexpected because largely that's what we are doing in the world today. Of course, there are exceptions - exceptional black people in the world today and have been - but they are more of outliers than anything else and even those are threatened by their own.

We should empower our smartest people, who sadly, are a minority. We should give them a voice and a sustainable platform to excogitate valuable ideas, to create, to build and to develop. We should stop giving platforms to people who don't possess the kind of intelligence that actually helps a country grow. Social and artistic intelligence although useful, isn't really what Nigeria needs today, but sadly, this is the kind that Nigerian brands and business moguls prefer to give platforms and waste money on. We need an intellectual revolution in this country, and this isn't going to start if we lie to ourselves.

I agree with you. Acknowledging that we are in an awful terrible place is the first step towards progression but we still think we are 'giants of Africa' We don't even see a problem when universities and educational institutions shutdown for several months going to a year and even doctors. It has gone on for so long that people now downplay the importance and relevance of education to our civilisation, perhaps they cannot even imagine it. It's all about the money, and Davido is getting it therefore music is more important than university education or perhaps it's too difficult to understand - bringing us back to the theme of the discussion in the first place. I sincerely hope for our own renaissance, but I am pessimistic about it happening anytime soon.

To illustrate how precarious the state of sub-saharan Africa is, just imagine if a 21st century Hitler arises from any of the world powers, maybe China or Russia or a coalition of both, and decides to take over the world and destroy anyone who isn't part of their nation or race, with nuclear and sophisticated weaponry. What is sub-saharan Africa going to do if such happens? What do we have to protect ourselves? Are we going to ask the allied countries to protect us when they are busy using their resources to protect their own people? Are we going to call our talented actors and musicians to sing and dance for the opposition so they'd pity us? Are our politicians and wealthy business men going to offer all their wealth in exchange for our lives to be spared? What's going to be our fate if this happens? I'll tell you. We would be destroyed and wiped out in hours.

Totally in agreement with one of my comments towards spurious religious nonsense being peddled:

I see a lot of hogwash in this section, even from the OP talking about dimensions etc if you cannot ask how to the infinite regress they came about such confabulations, better move on with your time and effort.
For instance, the OP, talks about consciousness and god within, so I assume he is now god, or at least his god. Next question, I ask him how he knows about the dimensions he passionately explains here, where is the evidence?. Also, since he is god, and god is all powerful and multiple-omnis what can he do? can he save a woman dying of cancer with his god particles? or even boil water for tea without getting up from his bed? the god cannot even tell me the colour of shirt I am wearing. People talking about travelling to other planets and such, if the US decide to nuke us today with an atomic bomb, would such gods be immune and simply disappear to those planets with their families? So then again, what is the point wasting precious time on nonsense, unverified unproven well written BS, especially when one can learn and understand useful scientific facts and laws about reality that has sent humans to the moon, made electricity useable, disease treatable, from cars to planes to International Space Stations and even smart phones and the internet...are these not the real miracles?

I have said there is no need for us to have a military, we won't be the only nation, if we cannot produce any of our machinery because by default we cannot defend ourselves against those we buy these outdated equipment from. So, of what's use are they? Yes, to use them on our own people or on impoverished equally or less sophisticated neighbours.

I am a scientist, an alumni in a global top 10 university and it's disturbing to see somewhat bright people like kingebukasblog passionately and conveniently distort facts, using nice spellings and sentences to defend superstition and religion, not just that but even going ahead to say that science and philosophy is as a result of religion, instead of in spite of religion. There may have been great scientists who believed in God (however they had defined it) but religious? I think not. Even so, eg. Galileo, who despite his contrary views had his daughter in a monastery become a nun; Mendel was a priest; Newton... Einstein wasn't but these were 70 to multiple 100s of years ago. What were the known scientific facts then? This is 2017 for goodness sake, if it were possible theistic scientists were to return today, they would have volumes of work to catch up on to stay relevant but we can't say the same for religious folk of the several centuries. Ironically, Athanasius, Augustine would still be relevant claiming to know all truth from the christian god, likewise for mohammed and islam.
Current scientific knowledge proves all religions as outrightly false basis for explanation of any physical reality, especially those it had historically claimed all authority to. So why should anyone look into such books for any less understood or unexplained phenomena? Religion indeed makes smart people look stupid and very ignorant. That you are not learning doesn't mean the world isn't moving forward.

Mathematical thinking is the highest form of thinking. And it has made mankind predict inconceivable possibilities, due to our limitations within space-time, with unrivalled precision. People have been thinking mathematically since many centuries BC and yes many people have been way more intelligent than the Jesus depicted in the bible and they lived before him. Read about the Pythagoreans; and even Achimedes and how they came about the value of pi. Someone mentioned shoes as an african invention Shoes? Learn about how the apollo team got past the Van Allen radiation belt or the Russians and learn about the system of thinking that brought about such huge leaps in human advancement. You bloody have no idea the sophistication in thought men of ancient civilisations possessed.

Just before some Malcolm X comes with the self-loathing rhetoric, look around you, everything that makes life easier for you today, from the smartphones, blenders, WCs, showers, Fridges, Microwaves, Aeroplanes, Microphones to Lorries which has been of our own thought? We still carry heavy loads on our heads Even the crude oil beneath us, how did we know that it is valuable? What have we done to improve the lives of our children? but we still teach and expect our grandchildren to get wives that would pound yam for them and us. We hold on to ridiculous beliefs about some jewish folklore that blatantly tells us that we are gentiles and that our ancestors are roasting somewhere, forever and we love it. We don't question it. How we came to believe such, if not for childhood indoctrination

Humans are animals, as it's clearly observable in the animal kingdom, such that the strong prey on the weak. If we had been the first to build ships, planes, guns and rockets, we certainly wouldn't be confined to just our environment, we would have travelled to Europe and the rest of the world to capture the others. For illustration, look at the oppression the 'strong' in our society are doing to the weak.

How about black people who perform as good as or even better than other races in the best institutions in the world? Guess what, even erudite scientists complain about the current system of education. Education isn't necessarily about grades, it is meant to greatly increase curiosity, teach people how to ask questions, in fact make people love asking questions and not to believe anything just because daddy says it is so and not just providing answers to what is being asked in an exam.

All hope isn't lost, we could get serious, make a resolution that we are going to be an advanced nation to become respected and only science and education can do this, not entertainment, not music, they are important but they do not make our reality any easier.
I think it would be much more achievable if people truly raise their children to learn and ask questions then we would be more tolerant and we could or rather our descendants could make something out of this situation.

dalaman:


Yes. Most christians in the West accept evolution over creationism. Only in the US did more christians accept creationism but that was in the past, even in the US more people are accepting evolution over creationism especially among the youth population.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/11/polls_americans_believe_in_evolution_less_in_creationism.html

You are hoping from one argument to another . Christians in Europe or Christians in America ? It stated clearly 42 percent still accept creationism and the remaining are divided on whether God orchestrated evolution or not . With majority of the remainder saying that God was involved in the process . How is this now most ? And polls are conducted with an infinitesimal number of the whole population so I don't see why you should trust those extrapolations ?

Were is your study that shoWS that majority of atheist believe in intelligent design? Where is it?

I never said majority of atheists accept intelligent design , I didn't even insinuate that . I clearly indicated that Raelns who are atheists reject evolution . It was clearly stated in my post

https://www.thoughtco.com/raelian-movement-95694

And there are atheists who are not Raelns but rejection evolution like you do . You've always stated that you reject evolution . Right ?
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/dubitable-darwin-why-some-smart-nonreligious-people-doubt-the-theory-of-evolution/

They do not take prayers seriously as they do not attach any importance to it. Prayers has never solved any of tour problems as such they do not attach any special importance to it. In fat in Europe most people do not even attend religious gatherings or activities. Church attendance has dropped by over 60% on average.The only people that attend church regularly are Nigerians and other African migrants. Europes ms don't attend church bease they don't attach any importance it.

Church attendance or prayer , what is the argument ? Why is your post suffused with red herrings ? I hardly attend church but I pray does that make less religious ? The argument is for prayer and not Church attendance . Christians in France and Canada hardly attend churches , does that mean they don't take prayers seriously ? As Christians we can pray anywhere any day anytime . Receive sense brother

KingEbukasBlog:


You are hoping from one argument to another . Christians in Europe or Christians in America ? It stated clearly 42 percent still accept creationism and the remaining are divided on whether God orchestrated evolution or not . With majority of the remainder saying that God was involved in the process . How is this now most ? And polls are conducted with an infinitesimal number of the whole population so I don't see why you should trust those extrapolations ?

Why exactly are you on about? I gave you a study that clearly stated that majority of Europeans believe in evolution more than creationism. True the study dwelt more on Americans but it Cleary stated that in Europe majority of the people believe in evolution. Most Europeans are catholics and the position of the Catholic church is that evolution is true. The Pope came out and spoke in favour of evolution over creationism.

I never said majority of atheists accept intelligent design , I didn't even insinuate that . I clearly indicated that Raelns who are atheists reject evolution . It was clearly stated in my post

https://www.thoughtco.com/raelian-movement-95694

And there are atheists who are not Raelns but rejection evolution like you do . You've always stated that you reject evolution . Right ?
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/dubitable-darwin-why-some-smart-nonreligious-people-doubt-the-theory-of-evolution/

Then you have no point. Only an insignificant number of atheist believe in intelligent design as opposed to the majority of Christains in Europe that accept evolution over creationism.

Church attendance or prayer , what is the argument ? Why is your post suffused with red herrings ? I hardly attend church but I pray does that make less religious ? The argument is for prayer and not Church attendance . Christians in France and Canada hardly attend churches , does that mean they don't take prayers seriously ? As Christians we can pray anywhere any day anytime . Receive sense brother

Prayers is of no use to average European. They hardly pray or involve themselves in any religious activity is the point I was trying to make. Their actions all show that they do not believe in prayers. There are many documented cases of nurses in Europe that have been fired from work because they were praying for their patients instead of administering first aid or emergency medical aid. Prayers has never solved any of their problems. All their approach to solving their problems have been natural. Some of them might pray but when it matters most they rely on themselves and their natural ability to solve their problems.

Sometimes I read some discussions on nairaland, and I am very ashamed.

With no willingness to sound arrogant, I must say this topic is the epitome of pseudo science coupled with eugenics and inferiority complex. The author want us to examine "scientifically" if the black race, the monkey looking ever dancing negro, the mandingo africain, is "intellectually inferior" to the white race... Shall we?

Intellectually inferior My A**s!

The OP does not even define what is a race. Any knowledgeable man knows that race is a social construct! There is no such thing as race scientifically. If there are races, then there are as many races on earth as there are individuals. How can you group a large number of various tribes under a race, because they have only one thing in common, a darker skin?

Look at these pictures. To what race belong these people? Can you tell me? I will give you the correct answer.

Race is an illusion, or better put it is a societal construct. Pick 2 people from the same "race" and their phenotype may differ more significantly than that of 2 people of different "races".

A good book for you to read could be: Genes, Peoples, and Languages By LUIGI LUCA CAVALLI-SFORZA. An excerpt is available here.

I am so sorry I don't have access to papers in english. I can refer you to dozens of publications and conversations in this topic, if you can read french or german

Instead of looking for ways to build our countries and correct the mistakes of past leaders, we are here disccussing of the possibility that the white man is "intellectually superior" (whatever that means) Where was the white man, when mighty rich and enlightened black civilizations were leading the world in Sciences philosophy medecine esoteric schools and the rest? When greek and romans alike were trooping to africa to be enlightened?

Have you heard of the Ishango bone? Of the origin of the al kashi theorem? Have you heard of the Mandeng constitution? The list is endless.

As a proud son of Africa, I can't help but feel this thread is good for the trashbin.

Trudax:
Are sub-saharan Africans intellectually inferior on the average to other races?

If we accede to the fact that intelligence is heritable and we also agree that the environment places certain constraints on the individuals living within that environment, and these constraints influence the evolution of these individuals, then why can't we agree that intelligence should vary among human populations who evolved in different environments? Why do we oppose any claim that asserts the superiority or inferiority of a certain race in comparison to another race, when obviously they evolved in unique environments with unique constraints?

If we agree that natural selection is the vehicle that has driven genetic and phenotypical disparities evident in different races, why then do we oppose views that assert the disparities in intelligence, given the fact that intelligence has genetic underpinnings?

Its the Weather. It affects everything.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Severing-Climate-and-Civilization-35804.shtml

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Summer-Climate-Changed-Civilization/dp/0465022812

plaetton:


There has been a long scientific debate about nature vs nurture.
NATURE gives you, everyone, certain dispositions. But NURTURE( social/ cultural environment) can either foster or impede the expression of these dispositions.

Our social/ cultural setup impedes the intellectual potential.

Just look at Nigeria, for example, country that produces the best in almost Field of human endeavor the Diaspora, but has very serious, very chronic intellectual dearth back home, with everyone, old and young , still beholden to stone age superstitions from the middle East, embracing and hugging them as if they were our very own.

Look at our educational setup back home ,where my child's biology teacher, rather than taking and tasking her , step by step, on the wonder of photosynthesis, would rather the young minds that god is responsible for photosynthesis.

Or the 90 or so religious fellowships at kingebukasblog Delta State university.
Can you see that as with our forefathers, so it is today or even worse on the continual war against intellectualism in our society.

The African mind is rewired to be anti intellectual right from childhood.
Look at how many charlatans like Adeboye, Oyedepo, Mbaka there are in every nook and corner of Nigeria promoting magical thinking, an open war against intellectualism.

Your desperation on hang this on the neck of Religion is pathetic.

Religious people have been and remain at the very forefront of most of mankinds intellectual accomplishments.

TheEminentLaity:


I am a scientist, an alumni in a global top 10 university and it's disturbing to see somewhat bright people like kingebukasblog passionately and conveniently distort facts, using nice spellings and sentences to defend superstition and religion, not just that but even going ahead to say that science and philosophy is as a result of religion, instead of in spite of religion. There may have been great scientists who believed in God (however they had defined it) but religious? I think not. Even so, eg. Galileo, who despite his contrary views had his daughter in a monastery become a nun; Mendel was a priest; Newton... Einstein wasn't but these were 70 to multiple 100s of years ago. What were the known scientific facts then? This is 2017 for goodness sake, if it were possible theistic scientists were to return today, they would have volumes of work to catch up on to stay relevant but we can't say the same for religious folk of the several centuries. Ironically, Athanasius, Augustine would still be relevant claiming to know all truth from the christian god, likewise for mohammed and islam.

This is one problem with atheists who listen to so much nonsense Richard Dawkins spews . I remember him making this same claim that those great minds who were theists back then would have being atheists if they were born during this time , and Professor of Mathematics and Philosopher of Science John Lennox corrected those misinterpretations of Science in a discussion with him at Oxford University's Museum in 2013 I think . He told Richard that Science studies the mechanism in nature and not the agent of causation of those mechanisms in nature . That studying these mechanisms can lead us to understand that indeed nature was created by a conscious agent .

Richard also claimed that evolution is a mechanism that is unguided overseen by blind forces and that a conscious agent is superfluous in overseeing this mechanism . John Lennox told him that his wrist watch works on blind mechanisms(which Richard agreed) but it does not mean the watch was not designed . And of course Richard didn't have a good comeback for that one . He continued dodging John's question on who created the universe . Richard claimed that since God is complex , accepting God as the explanation of a complex universe isn't rational . That a simple explanation has to be considered over a complex explanation . John told him that his book 'God delusion' is a sophisticated book but a complex mind was behind the book . And Richard's response was that because his mind has an explanation , therefore it is rational to accept that his mind is behind the book . Simply put : Dawkins reject God's existence on rational grounds because he feels that God as a complex being (he thinks) has no explanation . Apparently someone does not know that God is an incredibly simple being : temporally , spatially and metaphysically

Richard also admitted in that he could be persuaded to see that a creative force or math genius is behind the existence of the universe but not the God that is so meticulous that he is concerned with what people do with the genitals - what he described as 'petty'. Simply , Dawkins don't agree with the idea of a personal God just like Albert Einstein . The thing is , these atheists whom you guys look up to are not claiming certitude over the non existence of God , they just assume that God is superfluous (not needed )and since God is not need like they suppose , therefore He does not exist . The same thing Hawking claimed : God was not needed to create the universe , the universe created itself ( a logical absurdity obviously ).

The point is : Those great minds understood that there is no conflict between the belief in God and Science so even if they were to be present in this era , there won't be abjuring of beliefs . Atheists are trying to use science to make seem like its so . I mean Thales of Miletus was the first person to attempt explaining natural phenomena without involving the supernatural and understood perfectly that there is a distinction between the two . Its not one for the other like most people suppose ; its that one is the designer and the other is merely the study of the mechanism .

Plus the deists like Albert Einstein support the existence of God through the study of nature and that's science . Studying how devices like wrist watches , laptops , mobile phones work means there is no designer ? According to atheists , if you study and discover how devices work , you will end up believing they have no designers ? Where is the sense in that ?

DeepSight:


Your desperation on hang this on the neck of Religion is pathetic.

Religious people have been and remain at the very forefront of most of mankinds intellectual accomplishments.

Religious people from where exactly ?
Nigeria ?

You guys are so eager to defend religion, that you completely miss the point .
The religious people , the minds that built the ancient monasteries for study and careful contemplation of nature and the universe are far far different than the charlatans of of our clime that pollute the our mental landscape with superstitions for profit.
The religious system that established the Collegia are far far different from our current parasitic , religious fraud market where money is exchanged for stone age superstitions.

I am specifically about superstitions, both traditional and religious, and how it shapes the African mind, and impedes the expansion of his intellectual potentials.

At least the Roman Catholic Church, being the oldest chancery in the world, is a promoter of education and intellectualism. They run school systems and school boards in almost every country in the world.

But what about our local brewed versions of Christianity, championed by the Adeboyes, the Oyedepos, etc ? What do they add to education, science and intellectual development ?
How can they , when they depend upon and feed fat on the promotion of magical thinking and superstitions ?
Is it any wonder that NONE of Nigeria's mega religious cults runs a free or subsidized educational system of any type, even for their members ?

Remove your head from the sand and call a spade a spade, sire.

Religion is superstition, and superstition, deeply embedded superstitions are the bane of intellectual development in sub Sahara Africa.
Simple.

plaetton:

Religious people from where exactly ?
Nigeria ?

The OP is not about Nigeria alone so I see no point in this statement of yours.

You guys are so eager to defend religion, that you completely miss the point

Who are you talking to - me?

You must be suffering from some undecipherable mental ailment.

The religious people , the minds that built the ancient monasteries for study and careful contemplation of nature and the universe are far far different than the charlatans of of our clime that pollute the our mental landscape with superstitions for profit.
The religious system that established the Collegia are far far different from our current parasitic , religious fraud market where money is exchanged for stone age superstitions.

This is irrelevant to the core point that you cannot blame religion for any alleged intellectual inferiority of sub saharan Africans.

Doing so is simply not supported by the facts.

I am specifically about superstitions, both traditional and religious, and how it shapes the African mind, and impedes the expansion of his intellectual potentials.

Really? Just like it impeded them in Egypt and Timbuktu right?

At least the Roman Catholic Church, being the oldest chancery in the world, is a promoter of education and intellectualism. They run school systems and school boards in almost every country in the world.

I thought you ridicule them as idiots.

Nevermind that sub saharan Africans are also part of this institution: for which you allege that they are thereby made iddiots.

But what about our local brewed versions of Christianity, championed by the Adeboyes, the Oyedepos, etc ? What do they add to education, science and intellectual development ?

They actually have set up universities, but besides that, this is altogether irrelevant to the core point.

Religion is superstition, and superstition, deeply embedded superstitions are the bane of intellectual development in sub Sahara Africa.
Simple.

The superstitions of Europe and Asia have not slowed their Intellectual development, have they? Why do you single out Africa and insist that its retardation is about religion. That's nonsense. Go school up, there is one main thing responsible and that is the weather.

DeepSight:

The superstitions of Europe and Asia have not retarded their Intellectual development, have they? Why do you single out Africa and insist that its retardation is about religion. That's nonsense. Go school up, there is one main thing responsible and that is the weather.

Thank You Sir . God bless you for this . I just tire oo .

The map below shows the temperate regions of the world in pink.

Come on fellas - does it reveal anything quite clearly?

plaetton:


But what about our local brewed versions of Christianity, championed by the Adeboyes, the Oyedepos, etc ? What do they add to education, science and intellectual development ?

They have universities . CU by Oyedepo has an ultra-modern research development center (you can see publications of researches on the university's website ) . CU has a vision of raising new generation of leaders . We take special courses on Total Man Concept (Personal Development ) and Leadership .

You don't have any point sir . Ignorance about these things maybe ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Plus the deists like Albert Einstein support the existence of God through the study of nature and that's science . Studying how devices like wrist watches , laptops , mobile phones work means there is no designer ? According to atheists , if you study and discover how devices work , you will end up believing they have no designers ? Where is the sense in that ?

We know that wrist watches, cat and laptops are designed because they are things humans designed to help them solve problems.

We have studied the solar system and we can not objectively say why or what it was designed for. What is the asteroid belt in our solar system designed for? Use God alone and explain why it was designed and the purpose for it's design.

What was planet Jupiter designed for? What about Pluto? The evidence that Mars was designed for anything is what?

Where is the conclusive evidence that shows that those dud planets that litter the solar system were designed by any living entity? Where is it?

dalaman:


We know that wrist watches, cat and laptops are designed because they are things humans designed to help them solve problems.

We have studied the solar system and we can not objectively say why or what it was designed for. What is the asteroid belt in our solar system designed for? Use God alone and explain why it was designed and the purpose for it's design.

What was planet Jupiter designed for? What about Pluto? The evidence that Mars was designed for anything is what?

Where is the conclusive evidence that shows that those dud planets that litter the solar system were designed by any living entity? Where is it?

1. To build an Earth, you require an entire universe.

2. What about your brain. Does it show any hallmark of design?

KingEbukasBlog:


They have universities . CU by Oyedepo has an ultra-modern research development center (you can see publications of researches on the university's website ) . CU has a vision of raising new generation of leaders . We take special courses on Total Man Concept (Personal Development ) and Leadership .

You don't have any point sir . Ignorance about these things maybe ?

Gosh.
You are such a child.

dalaman:


We know that wrist watches, cat and laptops are designed because they are things humans designed to help them solve problems.

We have studied the solar system and we can not objectively say why or what it was designed for. What is the asteroid belt in our solar system designed for? Use God alone and explain why it was designed and the purpose for it's design.

What was planet Jupiter designed for? What about Pluto? The evidence that Mars was designed for anything is what?

Where is the conclusive evidence that shows that those dud planets that litter the solar system were designed by any living entity? Where is it?

Not everyone who believes in God believes in telos (purpose) of nature like Aristotle . Existentialism believes that existence precedes essence while essentialism believes essence precedes existence . And the first Existentialist was Danish theist and philosopher Soren K . Anything can serve a purpose for anything you want to use it as . Nothing really has an inherent purpose it was created with from an existentialist point of view

Example : I can use a stone as a grinder , stumbling block , a weapon etc . There is no inherent purpose for the existence of a stone .

Theism is very broad encompassing so many views .

plaetton:

Gosh.
You are such a child.

How does his revert to what you wrote show him to be childish?

plaetton:

Gosh.
You are such a child.

You asked for their contributions to intellectualism . I gave you a few important ones and your response is this ? Just admit that what you thought was true is not verisimilitudinous in any way or form .

In the near future when CU would rub shoulders with the world's best , you'd still ask what Oyedepo has contributed to intellectualism.

KingEbukasBlog:


You asked for their contributions to intellectualism . I gave you a few important ones and your response is this ? Just admit that what you thought was true is not verisimilitudinous in any way or form .

In the near future when CU would rub shoulders with the world's best , you'd still ask what Oyedepo has contributed to intellectualism.

Don't mind him. He's being cowardly with that s.illy response.

KingEbukasBlog:


Not everyone who believes in God believes in telos (purpose) of nature like Aristotle . Existentialism believes that existence precedes essence while essentialism believes essence precedes existence . And the first Existentialist was Danish theist and philosopher Soren K . Anything can serve a purpose for anything you want to use it as . Nothing really has an inherent purpose it was created with from an existentialist point of view

Example : I can use a stone as a grinder , stumbling block , a weapon etc . There is no inherent purpose for the existence of a stone .

Theism is very broad encompassing so many views .

You said the universe has a consious designer. What was Jupiter designed for? What about the asteroid belt in our solar system? You keep shooting blanks and empty platitudes.
You keep shouting God, God, God but when asked to use God and explain things you begin to cry. You keep insisting the the solar system has a designer which is God. When we tell you to use God alone and explain things to us about the things your claim were designed by him you begin to cry.

DeepSight:


Don't mind him. He's being cowardly with that s.illy response.

I tire oo .

dalaman:


You said the universe has a consious designer. What was Jupiter designed for? What about the asteroid belt in our solar system? You keep shooting blanks and empty platitudes.
You keep shouting God, God, God but when asked to use God and explain things you begin to cry. You keep insisting the the solar system has a designer which is God. When we tell you to use God alone and explain things to us about the things your claim were designed by him you begin to cry.

I have answered you. I said you cant have an Earth without a Universe. Did you miss that memo?

DeepSight:


1. To build an Earth, you require an entire universe.

2. What about your brain. Does it show any hallmark of design?

You don't require an entire universe to build an earth. Many solar systems have come and gone without the universe noticing their dissappearance.

The brain shows hallmarks of design.

DeepSight:


I have answered you. I said you cant have an Earth without a Universe. Did you miss that memo?

Ok. Use God alone and explain the existence of the universe.

dalaman:


Ok. Use God alone and explain the existence of the universe.

That's nonsense. That's like asking me to prove that a someone created Laptops without referring to the Laptop at all. That's an absurdity. Why should I use God alone in proving its existence, and not use its emanations?

Secondly, I hope you have gotten the answer to your question on the purpose of the existence of Jupiter. Did you digest it?

plaetton:


Hhhhmmm.

It's difficult to honestly answer this question without appearing self-deprecating.

Going by the letter of the question, my answer is yes( and many will come for my head).

Intellectually inferior in the sense that we , our entire cultural setups are somewhat impediments to intellectual exploration and expansion.

Our intellectual shortcomings are by NO means, and let me emphasize it, BY No means genetic, but due to accumulated and entrenched cultural/religious norms and habits.

N:B
And let me emphasize that I personally make a distinction between intelligence and intellectual expression.
The difference between the two are culture.
Every human is embued with intelligence. Intellectualism is the expression of that innate intelligence.

Some cultures foster the expression of intelligence, intellectualism, while many cultures, such as we have in subsahara Africa, impedes the expression of that innate intelligence.

I hope the above makes some sense.
I am not even sure it does.

This is what we have said for years. You reap what you sow. It's not God's fault like many try to make it. Descendants suffer/enjoy from the actions and inactions of their ascendants, that's the reality of life.

dalaman:


You don't require an entire universe to build an earth. Many solar systems have come and gone without the universe noticing their dissappearance.

You have not understood what I wrote. I did not say the universe would notice the existence of this solar system or its disappearance.

I said that in order to build an Earth, you require a Universe. In other words, an Earth cannot be built in nothingness. It requires an environment. This is in answer to your question about the purpose of Jupiter.

The brain shows hallmarks of design.

So why do you dispute that man was created?

dalaman:


You said the universe has a consious designer. What was Jupiter designed for? What about the asteroid belt in our solar system? You keep shooting blanks and empty platitudes.
You keep shouting God, God, God but when asked to use God and explain things you begin to cry. You keep insisting the the solar system has a designer which is God. When we tell you to use God alone and explain things to us about the things your claim were designed by him you begin to cry.

Cry ? Was that even an emotional response ? I think my response was tenable . Somethings can serve different purposes - because we haven't discovered it yet does not mean it has no purpose; you can also designate purpose to anything . Example : The door was designed to close the entrance of a room. Let's say there was heavy rain and everywhere was flooded , the door can be used as a boat to paddle your way to safety .

My argument is that not everyone has the view that everything has an inherent purpose . While some believe that some things have inherent purposes and there are other things which don't .

DeepSight:


That's nonsense. That's like asking me to prove that a someone created Laptops without referring to the Laptop at all. That's an absurdity. Why should I use God alone in proving its existence, and not use its emanations?

Secondly, I hope you have gotten the answer to your question on the purpose of the existence of Jupiter. Did you digest it?

Apple computers come with a designers manual that uses the ideas of the designers to explain the computers design and function elaborately.

Where is the universe design manual? Does the designer of the universe want people to know about the designer and it's design?

What is the purpose of the existence of Jupiter? You've not given any answer. I don't have time for any spohism. It's either you state the answer of you know it, or say that you don't know it.