blueAgent:




I laugh.....you just murdered the Bible.

You have a lot to learn about.
The Bible is referring to the second death which all sinners will face in the lake of fire. while the saints will inherit everlasting life.

if she has a lot to learn hw come Moses is in heaven and he came to Jesus during the transfiguration of Christ and2ndly hw come saints were raised after the death of Christ, since according to you the 2nd death has not happened, my dear it's a clear fact that you are not reading your Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit, #THE BIBLE IS NOT A STORY BOOK.

Aizenosa:


if she has a lot to learn hw come Moses is in heaven and he came to Jesus during the transfiguration of Christ and2ndly hw come saints were raised after the death of Christ, since according to you the 2nd death has not happened, my dear it's a clear fact that you are not reading your Bible with the help of the Holy Spirit, #THE BIBLE IS NOT A STORY BOOK.

Moses and Elijah's case were exceptional case. God in his power and wisdom ressurected them for a purpose. The is clear on the State of the dead and when they will come back alive any other thing apart from this is lies from the pit of Hell.

easymancfc:


Ubenedictus asked a question on this that i would like the answer to as well... just to add one thing, Its the. principle of the thing that counts, if there's a biblical principle, then it doesn't have to be found word for word...

But there is no principle supporting christains to pray to the dead. Jesus why teaching his disciples how to pray explained that all prayers must be done through his name alone .

easymancfc:


Funny its the same thing they say about your doctrine... the difference between you and them is that i know them, their theology, their training and its origin, and i can judge base on that, but i know nothing about you... SO ARE YOU JW OR ADVENTIST, because ITS ONLY THOSE TWO WHO TEACH SOUL SLEEP HERESY IN NIGERIA, well maybe one or two other mushroom church..

Proudly Adventist. look it is not about the Church or personal opinion but what the Bible says.

If the dead where alive in the other world.
then explain to me why the Bible says they are unconscious or why there will be a Resurrection?

Ubenedictus:
and you are the infallible omni-knowest abi?

I don't claim to know everything. i just want people to know the truth.

click and read .
https://www.truthaboutdeath.com/q-and-a/id/1596/what-about-the-rich-man-and-lazarus

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are,the-dead-really-dead

www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-death

blueAgent:



Proudly Adventist. look it is not about the Church or personal opinion but what theñ Bible says.

If the dead where alive in the other world.
then explain to me why the Bible says are unconscious or why there will be a Resurrection?

in essence what you mean is .. it doesnt matter what the catholic church says or what the catholic church who compiled the Bible says the bible says... what matters is what the seventh day adventist church says the bible says right??

you and the Adventist Church which didnt exist before the 19th century cannot interprete scripture better than the people who compiled it...
that and your founder ELLEN GOURD WHITE DOESN'T HAVE APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY TO TEACH... AND YOU WOULD AGREE THAT YOU AND E. G. WHITE ARE NOT THE INFALLIBLE INTERPRETERS OF SCRIPTURE...
go and read the articles i shared again to see how other Christians see your soul sleep heresy.
my dear.. you dont understand simple christian doctrine that has been around for almost 2000 years .. there will be a resurrection of the "Body" at the end.

blueAgent:



But there is no principle supporting Christians to pray to the dead. Jesus why teaching his disciples how to pray explained that all prayers must be done through his name alone .

Just to make a distinction
WE DONT PRAY TO THE DEAD... WE ASK MEMBERS OF THE GLORIFIED BODY OF CHRIST FOR THEIR PRAYERS/INTERCESSION..
YES ALL PRAYERS ARE THROUGH JESUS ALONE.. THE SAINTS IN HEAVEN ALSO PRAY IN JESUS NAME.. THAT AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE MEMBERS OF CHRIST BODY..
My dear there is a lot...
death doesn't separate us from the body of Christ (rom ... all the members of the body need each other (1 cor 12:19-24).. t

heb 12:1 says we have a cloud of witnesses who cheer us on...

witnesses observe events.. and attest...

rev 5:8.. talks about 24 human beings (elders) who offer prayers of the saints ON EARTH to God..

blueAgent:



This are misinterpreted bible verses. they don't in any way support the idea that the dead are conscious. google this bible verses abd see the explanation i would send them to you when i have the chance.

What kind of Lame answer is this? He gave you biblical verses to reply your accusations and you are running around. Come and react to the transfiguration as you know everything about dead ppl.

Ubenedictus:


Willian Tyndale was killed on the 6th October 1536

5 YEARS earlier king henry took control of the catholic church in england and made himself the supreme head, he killed any catholic against his claim include st thomas more and bishop fisher he formed what became known as the 'anglican church'.


So kindly correct yourself, it was the anglicans your fellow protestant who kill william tyndale in their country according to their laws, King henry had already been excommunicated.

Go and read wikipede and check this thing u wrote is true

blueAgent:



Moses and Elijah's case were exceptional case. God in his power and wisdom ressurected them for a purpose. The is clear on the State of the dead and when they will come back alive any other thing apart from this is lies from the pit of Hell.

Please where are we told it's an exceptional case?

blueAgent:



I don't claim to know everything. i just want people to know the truth.

click and read .
https://www.truthaboutdeath.com/q-and-a/id/1596/what-about-the-rich-man-and-lazarus

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are,the-dead-really-dead

www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-death

we can now start throwing links around abi?

malele:


Go and read wikipede and check this thing u wrote is true

I have read wiki and it says the same thing. Tyndale was killed in the reign of King Henry, at that time Henry had formed the Anglican church and had been excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

That simply means it was your fellow protestants who killed tyndale.

The least you guys can do to admit your own stuff and stop trying to lie on others.

malele:


Go and read wikipede and check this thing u wrote is true

He is right. Have you read Wikipedia? William Tyndale died in 1536, but earlier; the following had happened:

"With the Acts of Supremacy in 1534, Parliament also recognised the King's status as head of the church in England and, with the Act in Restraint of Appeals in 1532, abolished the right of appeal to Rome."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VIII_of_England

blueAgent:



Proudly Adventist. look it is not about the Church or personal opinion but what the Bible says.

If the dead where alive in the other world.
then explain to me why the Bible says are unconscious or why there will be a Resurrection?

ask yourself why you are a member of a church whose teaching are alien to 1900yrs of Christianity.

hopefulLandlord:


CanadianNurse, see what I mean by this thread? https://www.nairaland.com/3844519/meaninglessness-deep-personal-relationship-jesus

you guys are going to argue for pages upon pages and wouldn't end up agreeing despite talking to the same Jesus/holy spirit/Yahweh

Yea.. Real funny how this happens

Ubenedictus:
ask yourself why you are a member of a church whose teaching are alien to 1900yrs of Christianity.

Ask him oh...

their big defence is that of the great apostasy which is contrary to scripture and Jesus' promises.

The bible didnt say you should ask the dead to pray for you.

Mark 12: 27 He is not the God of the dead , but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken."

easymancfc:


It not intercom.. the bible encourages praying for one another...Its just asking others to pray for us.. Which according to the bible is good and pleasing to God.. unless you also think the dead know nothing ?

James 5: 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church , and let them pray over him , anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

rejosom:


Do you mind telling me how biblical it is for my pastor to pray for me.

Amberon11:
The bible didnt say you should ask the dead to pray for you.

Mark 12: 27 He is not the God of the dead , but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken."

This is what happens when you don't understand scriptures.


Now read again.



“Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us
that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a
wife but no children, the man must marry
the widow and raise up offspring for his
brother. Now there were seven brothers.
The first one married and died without
leaving any children. The second one
married the widow, but he also died, leaving
no child. It was the same with the third.
In fact, none of the seven left any
children. Last of all, the woman died too.
At the resurrection whose wife will she
be, since the seven were married to her?”
Jesus replied, “Are you not in error
because you do not know the Scriptures or
the power of God? When the dead rise,
they will neither marry nor be given in
marriage; they will be like the angels in
heaven. Now about the dead rising—have
you not read in the Book of Moses, in the
account of the burning bush, how God said
to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God
of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ ? He is
not the God of the dead, but of the living.
You are badly mistaken!”





If you read with comprehension you would have noticed that the text actually means that to God neither Abraham, Isaac or Jacob is dead, to him they are alive hence he is God of the living not of the dead.


Read with understanding.

Ubenedictus:



This is what happens when you don't understand scriptures.


Now read again.



“Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us
that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a
wife but no children, the man must marry
the widow and raise up offspring for his
brother. Now there were seven brothers.
The first one married and died without
leaving any children. The second one
married the widow, but he also died, leaving
no child. It was the same with the third.
In fact, none of the seven left any
children. Last of all, the woman died too.
At the resurrection whose wife will she
be, since the seven were married to her?”
Jesus replied, “Are you not in error
because you do not know the Scriptures or
the power of God? When the dead rise,
they will neither marry nor be given in
marriage; they will be like the angels in
heaven. Now about the dead rising—have
you not read in the Book of Moses, in the
account of the burning bush, how God said
to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God
of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ ? He is
not the God of the dead, but of the living.
You are badly mistaken!”





If you read with comprehension you would have noticed that the text actually means that to God neither Abraham, Isaac or Jacob is dead, to him they are alive hence he is God of the living not of the dead.


Read with understanding.

in case you still don't get it the book of Luke explains it well

Jesus replied, “The people of this age
marry and are given in marriage. But
those who are considered worthy of taking
part in the age to come and in the
resurrection from the dead will neither marry
nor be given in marriage, and they can no
longer die; for they are like the angels. They
are God’s children, since they are children of
the resurrection. But in the account of
the burning bush, even Moses showed that
the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God
of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the
God of Jacob.’ He is not the God of
the dead, but of the living, for to him all are
alive.”

Take your own and read with understanding. That verse was clear and straightforward.

Ubenedictus:



This is what happens when you don't understand scriptures.


Now read again.



“Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us
that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a
wife but no children, the man must marry
the widow and raise up offspring for his
brother. Now there were seven brothers.
The first one married and died without
leaving any children. The second one
married the widow, but he also died, leaving
no child. It was the same with the third.
In fact, none of the seven left any
children. Last of all, the woman died too.
At the resurrection whose wife will she
be, since the seven were married to her?”
Jesus replied, “Are you not in error
because you do not know the Scriptures or
the power of God? When the dead rise,
they will neither marry nor be given in
marriage; they will be like the angels in
heaven. Now about the dead rising—have
you not read in the Book of Moses, in the
account of the burning bush, how God said
to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God
of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ ? He is
not the God of the dead, but of the living.
You are badly mistaken!”





If you read with comprehension you would have noticed that the text actually means that to God neither Abraham, Isaac or Jacob is dead, to him they are alive hence he is God of the living not of the dead.


Read with understanding.

Amberon11:
Take your own and read with understanding. That verse was clear and straightforward.

It is so straightforward that I am surprised you totally misapplied it.


Okay compare, that passage mean even the so-called dead are alive to God.


Jesus replied, “The people of this age
marry and are given in marriage. But
those who are considered worthy of taking
part in the age to come and in the
resurrection from the dead will neither marry
nor be given in marriage, and they can no
longer die; for they are like the angels. They
are God’s children, since they are children of
the resurrection. But in the account of
the burning bush, even Moses showed that
the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God
of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the
God of Jacob.’ He is not the God of
the dead, but of the living, for to him all are
alive.”

Amberon11:
The bible didnt say you should ask the dead to pray for you.

Mark 12: 27 He is not the God of the dead , but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken."

You are the one greatly mistaken because the verse you quoted actually supports my views... mark 12:27 talks in context about the dead in Christ actually being alive with God because it talking about "dead" people (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) who had been dead for about 1000+ years...

mark 12:24 Jesus said to them, “Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God? 25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 26 And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?

Amberon11:

James 5: 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church , and let them pray over him , anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

Amen... Just like the 24 elders in heaven offer our prayers to God.. rev 5:8...

And P.s. A modern day suit wearing pastor is not the same as the "elder" or as the greek calls it.. "presbytheros"

Please someone should explain this ... Jesus said "today you will be with me in Paradise"

Paul said .
...."I'm in a strait betwixt two to go and meet the Lord or stay with you a little longer"

The knowledge the old testament saints have about the dead isn't as clear as the one we have now


Jesus talked about losing a member of your body is preferred to the whole of your body lost in hell fire....

A lot of us still really haven't understood the Bible





It's not enough to judge the Catholics everyone knows their flaws even their Popes do apologise for what they did in the past ..... We modern Christians are Swift to point accusing fingers but never ready to help or show them the Way..... That shows we aren't different from the lawyers and Pharisees


Also in the case of cloud of witnesses



One thing you should know is that the soul never dies (cease activity) ..... It can be separated from God forever (2nd death)


And also Abel who was dead yet was speaking......

Ferisidowu:
Please someone should explain this ... Jesus said "today you will be with me in Paradise"

Paul said .
...."I'm in a strait betwixt two to go and meet the Lord or stay with you a little longer"

The knowledge the old testament saints have about the dead isn't as clear as the one we have now


Jesus talked about losing a member of your body is preferred to the whole of your body lost in hell fire....

A lot of us still really haven't understood the Bible





It's not enough to judge the Catholics everyone knows their flaws even their Popes do apologise for what they did in the past ..... We modern Christians are Swift to point accusing fingers but never ready to help or show them the Way..... That shows we aren't different from the lawyers and Pharisees


Also in the case of cloud of witnesses



One thing you should know is that the soul never dies (cease activity) ..... It can be separated from God forever (2nd death)


And also Abel who was dead yet was speaking......

indeed sir.. some people are just very anti catholic... if they actually want to "save" or "help" us.. then let it be done in love not by insults as many of them here result to...

P.S. we dont need any saving... we belong to the Church founded by Christ and that has existed for 2000 years, gone through alot but is still here because as Ephe 3:21 says "to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations, for ever and ever. Amen."

Secondly there's no such thing as a perfect church... all institutions that have humans in it are flawed... so all churches have flaws.. and we all know them.. Pentecostals... Evangelicals, Adventists etc... I can list a handful of flaws present..

all of your modern day churches especially in Nigeria are barely 50 yrs old and have been affected by various scandals how much more the catholic church which is 2000 yrs old...

Ubenedictus:
ask yourself why you are a member of a church whose teaching are alien to 1900yrs of Christianity.

Adventist is the best church in the World. i was not born an Adventist but i discovered the truth and became one.

We are not intrested in general opinion but We are intrested in what God says through his word the Bible.
Have you not read in James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Have you not read in revelation that the Devil will decieve the whole world? that he has successed in doing using your church and evil doctrines. My church is different we refuse to compromise.

blueAgent:



Adventist is the best church in the World. i was not born an Adventist but i discovered the truth and became one.

We are not intrested in general opinion but We are intrested in what God says through his word the Bible.
Have you not read in James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Have you not read in revelation that the Devil will decieve the whole world? that he has successed in doing using your church and evil doctrines. My church is different we refuse to compromise.

The saying that the devil succeeded in overcoming the church Christ founded goes against Jesus' words, his power and scripture itself...

Jesus promised that
the gates of hell will not prevail against the church he would found... which was on PETER not on ELLEN WHITE (Mat 16:18-19... obviously adventist wasn't that Church because it never existed until the 19th century and it was founded by a WOMAN WITH NO APOSTOLIC CONNECTION OR AUTHORITY

Jesus often talks about overcoming a strong man before plundering his house.. mat 12:29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

The Devil would have to have overcome Christ before plundering his house the Church (mathew 16:18, 1 tim 3:15),WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE

Thirdly Paul says that God would be glorified in the Church in EVERY GENERATION, WORLD WITHOUT END....(Eph 3:21)

THERE WAS NO ADVENTIST CHURCH or any other apart from the catholic church IN THE 100s, 200s, 300s, upto the 16th century when the Anglican, Lutherans and other PROTESTANT SECTS CAME UP, AND ANOTHER 300YEARS BEFORE YOUR CHURCH STARTED... GOD HAS BEEN GLORIFYING HIMSELF IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR 1900YEARS BEFORE YOUR SECT WAS FOUND,

fourthly, Jesus said a wise man builds his upon a rock, so that it may withstand the test of all the hazards of weather and a foolish man builds upon sand...
mat 7:24ba wise man who built his house upon the rock; 25 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock

And according to MATHEW 16, JESUS FOUNDED HIS CHURCH UPON A ROCK, AND THAT CHURCH WILL WITHSTAND ALL THE ASSAULTS OF THE DEVIL THAT IS WHY HE SAID, "THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT...

JESUS IS THE WISEMAN WHO BUILDS HIS HOUSE (THE CHURCH mat 16:18-19, 1 tim 3:15) UPON A SOLID ROCK, HE IS NOT THE FOOLISH MAN WHO BUILDS UPON SAND. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FOOLISH MAN'S HOUSE.. mat 7:26b a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; 27 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it.

If the church was built on sand then it would fall to the attacks of the devil, but thank God mat 16:18-19 tells us it was not..

I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT MY JESUS IS BOTH A "STRONG MAN (mat 12:29) AND A WISEMAN (mat 7:24-26)....AND HE DEFINITELY KEEPS HIS WORDS...

ON BEING DECEIVED BY THE DEVIL, THE BIBLE SAID THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE END TIMES AND GUESS WHAT, 1900s SEEMS MORE "END TIMEY" THAN THE 100s

easymancfc:


The saying that the devil succeeded in overcoming the church Christ founded goes against Jesus' words, his power and scripture itself...

Jesus promised that
the gates of hell will not prevail against the church he would found... which was on PETER not on ELLEN WHITE (Mat 16:18-19... obviously adventist wasn't that Church because it never existed until the 19th century and it was founded by a WOMAN WITH NO APOSTOLIC CONNECTION OR AUTHORITY

Jesus often talks about overcoming a strong man before plundering his house.. mat 12:29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

The Devil would have to have overcome Christ before plundering his house the Church (mathew 16:18, 1 tim 3:15),WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE

Thirdly Paul says that God would be glorified in the Church in EVERY GENERATION, WORLD WITHOUT END....(Eph 3:21)

THERE WAS NO ADVENTIST CHURCH or any other apart from the catholic church IN THE 100s, 200s, 300s, upto the 16th century when the Anglican, Lutherans and other PROTESTANT SECTS CAME UP, AND ANOTHER 300YEARS BEFORE YOUR CHURCH STARTED... GOD HAS BEEN GLORIFYING HIMSELF IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR 1900YEARS BEFORE YOUR SECT WAS FOUND,

fourthly, Jesus said a wise man builds his upon a rock, so that it may withstand the test of all the hazards of weather and a foolish man builds upon sand...
mat 7:24ba wise man who built his house upon the rock; 25 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock

And according to MATHEW 16, JESUS FOUNDED HIS CHURCH UPON A ROCK, AND THAT CHURCH WILL WITHSTAND ALL THE ASSAULTS OF THE DEVIL THAT IS WHY HE SAID, "THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT...

JESUS IS THE WISEMAN WHO BUILDS HIS HOUSE (THE CHURCH mat 16:18-19, 1 tim 3:15) UPON A SOLID ROCK, HE IS NOT THE FOOLISH MAN WHO BUILDS UPON SAND. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FOOLISH MAN'S HOUSE.. mat 7:26b a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; 27 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it.

If the church was built on sand then it would fall to the attacks of the devil, but thank God mat 16:18-19 tells us it was not..

I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT MY JESUS IS BOTH A "STRONG MAN (mat 12:29) AND A WISEMAN (mat 7:24-26)....AND HE DEFINITELY KEEPS HIS WORDS...

ON BEING DECEIVED BY THE DEVIL, THE BIBLE SAID THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE END TIMES AND GUESS WHAT, 1900s SEEMS MORE "END TIMEY" THAN THE 100s

I just have to agree, Jesus certainly keeps his promises.

blueAgent:



Adventist is the best church in the World. i was not born an Adventist but i discovered the truth and became one.

We are not intrested in general opinion but We are intrested in what God says through his word the Bible.
Have you not read in James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Have you not read in revelation that the Devil will decieve the whole world? that he has successed in doing using your church and evil doctrines. Myself church is different we refuse to compromise.

Revelation say the devil deceived the world at the end time, it didn't say the devil defeated the church so God needed to call Ellen white to start her own after the apostles were gone. In fact the Bible says that the church built on the apostles by Jesus will never go out of phase hell will never prevail against her.


So ask yourself if your church which actually began at the end times isn't a manifestation of the work and deception of the devil trying to remove people from true Christianity by drawing them to modern day heresy.


I never said you Doctrine must be popular but is certainly must be true historic Christian belief.



If the xtians who heard from the apostles never interpreted the passage as you do and do not believe it then maybe you have a false interpretation.

Christians in 100ad didn't believe soul sleep nor those in 200ad or even 300ad no good Christian held that teaching. It is a modern day heresy.

Ubenedictus:


Revelation say the devil deceived the world at the end time, it didn't say the devil defeated the church so God needed to call Ellen white to start her own after the apostles were gone. In fact the Bible says that the church built on the apostles by Jesus will never go out of phase hell will never prevail against her.


So ask yourself if your church which actually began at the end times isn't a manifestation of the work and deception of the devil trying to remove people from true Christianity by drawing them to modern day heresy.


I never said you Doctrine must be popular but is certainly must be true historic Christian belief.



If the xtians who heard from the apostles never interpreted the passage as you do and do not believe it then maybe you have a false interpretation.

Christians in 100ad didn't believe soul sleep nor those in 200ad or even 300ad no good Christian held that teaching. It is a modern day heresy.

You are confusing yourself.
Go and google about the history of your Church doctrines.
Paul spoked about the falling away of early christains from the faith and from sound doctrine. you can see it is not a new thing.
Your church claims to be the first church but thats a big lie.

Ellen G White was not the sole founder of Adventist they were more than 3 people which started the church based on Bible doctrine not on Heresy like your church.

Ubenedictus:


Revelation say the devil deceived the world at the end time, it didn't say the devil defeated the church so God needed to call Ellen white to start her own after the apostles were gone. In fact the Bible says that the church built on the apostles by Jesus will never go out of phase hell will never prevail against her.


So ask yourself if your church which actually began at the end times isn't a manifestation of the work and deception of the devil trying to remove people from true Christianity by drawing them to modern day heresy.


I never said you Doctrine must be popular but is certainly must be true historic Christian belief.



If the xtians who heard from the apostles never interpreted the passage as you do and do not believe it then maybe you have a false interpretation.

Christians in 100ad didn't believe soul sleep nor those in 200ad or even 300ad no good Christian held that teaching. It is a modern day heresy.

Jesus warned ( Matt. 7:15),
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in
sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous
wolves.” Much of His ministry consisted of
confronting the false teaching of the religious
leaders of His day (cf. Matt. 16:11-12; 23:1-39).
In His discourse on things to come, He warned
( Matt. 24:4-5), “See to it that no one misleads
you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I
am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.”
The apostle Peter devotes most of 2 Peter to
warning against false teachers. Jude devotes his
entire short letter to the same theme. John in his
epistles repeatedly warns of false teachers. Paul’s
final words to the Ephesian elders warned them. Acts 20:28-30

His final letters to Timothy and Titus repeatedly
emphasize the need for sound doctrine. He told
Titus (1:9) that an elder must hold “fast the
faithful word which is in accordance with the
teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in
sound doctrine and to refute those who
contradict.” He goes on to explain that there are
many empty talkers and deceivers who are
upsetting whole households through their false
teaching. In his final charge to Timothy, after
telling him to preach the word, he explained ( 2
Tim. 4:3-4), “For the time will come when they
will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to
have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for
themselves teachers in accordance to their own
desires, and will turn away their ears from the
truth and will turn aside to myths.”
So it should not surprise us that as Paul
concludes his letter to the Romans, in the midst
of giving and sending warm greetings to the
saints, he breaks in with this warning to beware
of false teachers. Some liberal commentators
have thought that this paragraph is so abrupt and
out of context that it must have been added by a
later scribe. But Paul was constantly battling false
teachers who hounded his steps and perverted
the truth of the gospel. He was writing from
Corinth, where false apostles posing as servants
of righteousness had caused much damage ( 2
Cor. 11:3-15). As he thought of his many dear
friends in Rome, he didn’t want them to be led
astray. He had heard that they were doing well in
the Lord (16:19a), but the present is no guarantee
for the future. So his love for them prompted him
to insert this warning against the dangers of false teachers