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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by omohayek: 1:02pm On Aug 06, 2017
Boss13:
I am really unhappy with Senator Ben Bruce. My reason is because I don't understand the man. He is a senator and that provides him a platform to effect the change he really wants in Nigeria. If he wants to boost employment, he can sponsor a bill aimed at boosting employment. However, all we hear from him is TALKS and no action. Is he in the senate to tell stories or to enact laws that will make Nigeria and Nigerians better?
I don't much like Ben Bruce either, as I think he's a loudmouthed hypocrite, but all your comments show is that you don't understand how the Senate functions, and you don't comprehend the rudiments of economics.

No single senator can get anything passed into law by him or herself, unless agreement is forthcoming from a majority of his or her Senate colleagues, and even then approval must also be obtained from both the House of Representatives and the President. In addition, "boosting employment" isn't a simple matter of just passing a bill, otherwise there would be no employment anywhere in the world. In properly functioning economies, most jobs are created by the private sector, and all governments can (or should) do is provide the framework to allow the private sector to work properly. This concept only seems strange to Nigerians because of nearly 50 years of failed state-led, oil-centric economic policies.

Finally, if you understood simple economics (or at least basic arithmetic) you'd see that Ben Bruce did in fact directly address the question of job creation in making his original statement. No country's citizens can ever grow richer if their population is growing faster than their national income, which is one of the main problems that has plagued Nigeria since independence. Even when the occasional competent and honest politician or civil servant does something helpful in terms of infrastructure, that person's efforts are soon undone by people breeding like rats and overwhelming whatever new facilities are put in place. The ignoramuses on here who repeatedly mention China or America as examples of why family planning isn't needed in Nigeria are simply talking out of their assholes, as China has had a strict 1-child policy in place since at least 1979, while the USA's population growth rate would actually be zero without immigration; all of Europe as well as Asian countries like Japan and South Korea are also witnessing zero or even negative population growth. All of this is unsurprising, as fewer children means more money to educate each of them, and it also means the percentage of the population of employable age rises.

If a certain part of the country insists on seeing something as sensible as family planning as a conspiracy, and expects to be rewarded for its irresponsibility with ever more political power, while the other part of the country invests heavily in education for the fewer children it has, then its obvious that the time is fast approaching when either the human rabbits stop putting out children they can't afford to raise, or the two halves of the country must simply split up, so each part can pursue its own preferred development trajectory. There is simply no way Nigeria as a whole will ever move forward under the status quo.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by martineverest(m): 1:02pm On Aug 06, 2017
All these fellow southerners saying the message is meant for northerners, I guess southerners only get birth to 2 kids
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Nobody: 1:03pm On Aug 06, 2017
The first truth av heard from this man, maybe we should ask every man now to pay child support for every kid they are not taking care of

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Carmal90(m): 1:04pm On Aug 06, 2017
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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by 9jageekz(m): 1:04pm On Aug 06, 2017
Izygab:
I like the north very Much.. But the fact that they give birth like bacteria is quite disturbing, and more disturbing is the fact that many graduate from the north still come up with an ostensibly irrational and stupid explanation to their binary fission reproductive style.
if we continue to grow at this rate with the limited resources at our disposal, we may all someday go for cannibalism as the only remedy or nature will have to do it works of unleashing myriads of disasters just to clean the earth of the homo sapiens and give chance to different species.
I've observed that the poor having nothing else to do indulge more in sex both as recreational and a means of keeping themselves busy and as such they give birth to more children who they can't cater for than the rich.

As at 1960 Nigerian's population was barely 45 million,
30years later in 1991 it doubled 90 million, 55 years later in 2016 it quadrupled to 180 million. Currently Nigerians population is nearly 200million. If we continue with this madness called high rate of natality in which the north is apparently taking the lead, it will become so difficult for our kids in the next 50 to survive in this country.
Most people don't think before they comment

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by akinszz: 1:04pm On Aug 06, 2017
pmc01:
Honestly, this is a feeble attempt at common sense.
Producing babies and creating jobs are separate entities. The last I checked, people are at liberty to live their lives as they deem fit, as long as it constitutes no harm to others.

Why impose a lifestyle pattern on them?
if I may ask, is it OK to produce babies in poverty? the man has a point... do you realize that we can't feed ourselves as a country, almost everything we import. if government don't do something to control the population now, something will do us. I'm just afraid of what will become of nigeria in the next 30 years.... probably we will start eating ourselves.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by piice: 1:05pm On Aug 06, 2017
YomzzyDBlogger:
Senator Ben Murray-Bruce is known to always lend his voice in matters of grave importance to the Nigerian nation, he has just dished out a new advice to the nation.

This time, he says 'In 2017, our projected population growth is 2.6% while our projected economic growth is 0.8%. We MUST stop producing more babies than jobs'.

Then a follower said to him, 'create the jobs so we'd have no time to create the babies!' and he responded, 'Really? So the 1050 jobs God used me to create through the Silverbird Entertainment Group don't count?'.

News via: http://www.yomzzyblog.com/2017/08/we-must-stop-producing-more-babies-and.html

After stealing all the money to cater and empower the born and unborn babies in the future.

If truly you are civilized, you should know more babies are assets to humanity.

And besides, I ave never heard you speak on corrupt policians being our problems. Anyway you are one them. Consequently, you have always been an hyprocrite who wants people to see him as an intellectual or an intelligent Nigerian.


I hate your kind of biased intelligence
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Ugosample(m): 1:05pm On Aug 06, 2017
pmc01:


Explain in relation to China


China does not rear Kids like pigs.

for the last almost 40 years (though I hear that they have relaxed the policy)
China had a strict "one child policy"

This policy helped in no small measure in controlling their growth rate, and helping their economy grow and their living standards increase

Their population remained under 1.45 billion throughout, and you can never see a Chinese with highest 3 children (most have 1 or 2 kids)


Nigeria on the other hand has tripled it's population in 55 years.

And the result is clear for all to see.
hunger unemployment and increased crime.

If China tripled its population in 50 years the way we did, then China will be 3 billion plus

And there would have been chaos in China

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Nobody: 1:06pm On Aug 06, 2017
Lalas247:

Suddenly yes ! You should
If you cannot look after yourself and family why are you breeding ? Such a bush man mentality
There are people in the USA and Uk who are not working but are still breeding. The govt is their breadwinner. What do you have to say about that in relation to your point.
If you know what a bushman means you'll know he takes his family very seriously. Wrong analogy.
For the record, I don't advocate for a welfare state because a govt big enough to give you everything is also big enough to take away everything

Lalas247:
Then you say no jobs but I know plenty that are getting jobs all over the place how many heads do they have
Haba!!! Since there are jobs already why is Bruce asking people to create more jobs? Or does he want over-job? But on a serious note you are not being honest. How many people do you also know that have lost jobs? None? How many entrepreneurs do you know? How many do you know who complain of the comatose situation of power in the country, to name one area? None?


Lalas247:

My friend 25 just got a job at SHELL her mates are busy popping out kids doing housewife swimming in poverty and hold their neck up at Government
Congrats to your friend.
But shell can only employ so much people. How many positions did they advertise for? Because it happened to be someone you know that landed the job suddenly there are "jobs everywhere." Can you tell us how many other people you know who applied for same job that didn't get it? Not that you care anyway.
It breaks my heart that a fellow woman would disparage their fellow woman because she has chosen the career of bringing life into the world.
Not that the Shell recruitment process is totally transparent, but that is a matter for another day.


Lalas247:
this girl just bought a house now she can have 10 children self who will complain
Wait a minute. Your friend has not created any job yet. Bruce wants us to stop making babies and start creating jobs. So I (perhaps Bruce as well) will complain if your friend starts making babies instead of creating jobs. Because all of her 10 kids cannot work at shell na. Abi na her papa company?


Lalas247:
He is directing it at those breeders with no brain or income who shout saying it's Government
Isn't this ironic coming from you. "Breeders with no brains." Doesn't this border on Eugenics? Imagine if a "white" guy were to say what you just said. You will be up in arms, drowning yourself in cries of "racism". The French president was taken to task the other day for saying the same thing Bruce said (different words notwithstanding).


Lalas247:
since 1990 we have been shouting yes but what have the people been doing .. just look around ! Government ain't to blame for everything The People are too
Of course the people are to blame for putting people like Bruce in charge of national affairs. That is the people's one and only fault.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by johnson232: 1:07pm On Aug 06, 2017
Izygab:
I like the north very Much.. But the fact that they give birth like bacteria is quite disturbing, and more disturbing is the fact that many graduate from the north still come up with an ostensibly irrational and stupid explanation to their binary fission reproductive style.
if we continue to grow at this rate with the limited resources at our disposal, we may all someday go for cannibalism as the only remedy or nature will have to do it works of unleashing myriads of disasters just to clean the earth of the homo sapiens and give chance to different species.
I've observed that the poor having nothing else to do indulge more in sex both as recreational and a means of keeping themselves busy and as such they give birth to more children who they can't cater for than the rich.

As at 1960 Nigerian's population was barely 45 million,
30years later in 1991 it doubled 90 million, 55 years later in 2016 it quadrupled to 180 million. Currently Nigerians population is nearly 200million. If we continue with this madness called high rate of natality in which the north is apparently taking the lead, it will become so difficult for our kids in the next 50 to survive in this country.
Most people don't think before they comment
God bless u sir.
Nigeria needs more of your likes...
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by pmc01(m): 1:07pm On Aug 06, 2017
akinszz:
if I may ask, is it OK to produce babies in poverty? the man has a point... do you realize that we can't feed ourselves as a country, almost everything we import. if government don't do something to control the population now, something will do us. I'm just afraid of what will become of nigeria in the next 30 years.... probably we will start eating ourselves.
It is because there's nothing worthwhile to do. If you had to work hard all day, you won't have energy left to make babies.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by atheo123: 1:08pm On Aug 06, 2017
Universal truth... Family planning pills isn't that expensive or use condom rather.. Don't quote me if you don't agree with my point
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by pmc01(m): 1:09pm On Aug 06, 2017
TheLordIsGr8:

There are people in the USA and Uk who are not working but are still breeding. The govt is their breadwinner. What do you have to say about that in relation to your point.
If you know what a bushman means you'll know he takes his family very seriously. Wrong analogy.
For the record, I don't advocate for a welfare state because a govt big enough to give you everything is also big enough to take away everything


Haba!!! Since there are jobs already why is Bruce asking people to create more jobs? Or does he want over-job? But on a serious note you are not being honest. How many people do you also know that have lost jobs? None? How many entrepreneurs do you know? How many do you know who complain of the comatose situation of power in the country, to name one area? None?



Congrats to your friend.
But shell can only employ so much people. How many positions did they advertise for? Because it happened to be someone you know that landed the job suddenly there are "jobs everywhere." Can you tell us how many other people you know who applied for same job that didn't get it? Not that you care anyway.
It breaks my heart that a fellow woman would disparage their fellow woman because she has chosen the career of bringing life into the world.
Not that the Shell recruitment process is totally transparent, but that is a matter for another day.



Wait a minute. Your friend has not created any job yet. Bruce wants us to stop making babies and start creating jobs. So I (perhaps Bruce as well) will complain if your friend starts making babies instead of creating jobs. Because all of her 10 kids cannot work at shell na. Abi na her papa company?



Isn't this ironic coming from you. "Breeders with no brains." Doesn't this border on Eugenics? Imagine if a "white" guy were to say what you just said. You will be up in arms, drowning yourself in cries of "racism". The French president was taken to task the other day for saying the same thing Bruce said (different words notwithstanding).



Of course the people are to blame for putting people like Bruce in charge of national affairs. That is the people's one and only fault.
I support you wholly.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by johnson232: 1:10pm On Aug 06, 2017
Lexusgs430:
The Government needs to launch massive family planning campaigns......

We are exploding at the population seams.....
@bold it should be a matter of urgency...
There is hope...if some people are now beginning to reason this way....

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by blessuyi(m): 1:10pm On Aug 06, 2017
Indirectly indicting d northern senators and their people... common sense
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by omohayek: 1:11pm On Aug 06, 2017
piice:


After stealing all the money to cater and empower the born and unborn babies in the future.

If truly you are civilized, you should know more babies are assets to humanity.
Really? One almajiri, agbero or gala seller is worth as much to humanity as a doctor, an engineer, a biologist or an economist? A man who scions 10 street urchins has done more for mankind than the one who raises a single Einstein? With such thinking, it's no wonder Nigeria is a cesspool.


And besides, I ave never heard you speak on corrupt policians being our problems. Anyway you are one them. Consequently, you have always been an hyprocrite who wants people to see him as an intellectual or an intelligent Nigerian.


I hate your kind of biased intelligence
What a lot of rubbish. So the man is only allowed to criticize one bad aspect of Nigerian life if he criticizes all others? And what does his supposed corrupt status have to do with the truth of his statements? Ben Bruce may be a hypocrite and a crook, but what he has said here is nothing but the truth: Nigerians need to stop popping out children they can't afford to decently house, feed and educate.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by pmc01(m): 1:11pm On Aug 06, 2017
Ugosample:



China does not rear Kids like pigs.

for the last almost 40 years (though I hear that they have relaxed the policy)
China had a strict "one child policy"

This policy helped in no small measure in controlling their growth rate, and helping their economy grow and their living standards increase

Their population remained under 1.45 billion throughout, and you can never see a Chinese with highest 3 children (most have 1 or 2 kids)


Nigeria on the other hand has tripled it's population in 55 years.

And the result is clear for all to see.
hunger unemployment and increased crime.

If China tripled its population in 50 years the way we did, then China will be 3 billion plus

And there would have been chaos in China
If the Chinese authorities didn't get their people engaged meaningfully and only asked them to stop making babies like this Bruce is doing, it wouldn't have worked.
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by smartnero24(m): 1:12pm On Aug 06, 2017
All a federal senator can say on the issue of economic growth is that we should make less babies because population and economic growth are moving in opposite directions.

Shame!!
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Nobody: 1:12pm On Aug 06, 2017
Lalas247:

Can you imagine ...
everywhere u look one pregnant woman with 4 kids by her side .. but we should feel sorry for them that they open their legs anyhow and not do proper family planning .. men make I no vex ... The bushery is wayyyy too much grin don't you see how we look at ppl with 5 kids plus in this country .. they like the dregs of society lol was watching benefit Britain 8 kids on our taxes wahlahi men I trust UK they gave it to her eh cry
You can't blame them they are stuck in the mentality of our 4 fathers have plenty kids they will look after you ! Wrong recession dey

Lol u wan give me belle anyway we can fund it together we get Sterling grin Buhari dey our back
Absolutely! Oya! make we start sharp! sharp! so we can have atleast 2 or 3 kids before 2019 tongue grin
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Lalas247(f): 1:13pm On Aug 06, 2017
gypsey:
Absolutely! Oya! make we start sharp! sharp! so we can have atleast 2 or 3 kids before 2019 tongue grin
3 ke u wan spoil this my shape cheesy. No wello
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Nobody: 1:13pm On Aug 06, 2017
Aura2:

Ask yourself, the US you just mentioned what is their GDP per capita compared to yours?
Of course they are a producing economy which is function of proper govt doing its job. If we had better govt our GDP would be better. You are unwittingly adding to my point. I just have to tell you. I'm not one to take credit for another's work.


Aura2:
Did I hear you say without corruption our resources can go round? Thats a joke of the century. I guess I shouldn't bore you with the reality before you. Population explosion murdered Nigeria worse than corruption.
Ask your father how they lived in this country when we were few, depending on how old you are, you may may extend the question to your grand father.
Well, the joke is on you. Fewer people meant that the effect of the corruption was less severe, thus not noticeable until it was "too" late. A functioning govt plans for future citizens. That is the meaning of having an "agenda." A road-map for the future.
The numbers "happened" on us because the few went to sleep believing all was well. The numbers only highlighted the problem. It didn't cause it, not even remotely.
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Aura2(f): 1:13pm On Aug 06, 2017
tsdarkside:


yea... grin....am allergic to halfcasts.... grin

and isnt it funny that in western nations they give you money to make more children although them themselves dont have that many jobs...?..

isnt it funny that the population of france is not that much lower than that of nigeria but they advice french people to have more babies and even give them welfare but advice you to kill your babies..??... grin...

the darkside can only laugh over the stvpidity of black people.... grin grin

You lack the ability to draw logical comparisons, will be a waste of my time debating with you.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by ivolt: 1:15pm On Aug 06, 2017
pmc01:


He is imposing- "we must... "
If only our visionless leaders like Mr. Bruce knew the positive use our large population could be put to. We are not the largest population on land. There are several larger populations doing very well.
I still maintain creating jobs and producing babies are separate entities.

If I say we must stop dumping refuse on waterways.
Does it mean I am forcing you to abide by my statement ?

No where in the world is a large population an advantage,
it is either being actively discouraged or their is a campaign
to reduce it.

The world's resources is finite, while baby making is not,
it is only rational to reduce birth rates.

It is no accident that high fertility rate is highly correlated with extreme
poverty.

A poor man gives birth to 9 children he can't cater for, he send the
kids to the streets for survival, then turn around to blame government,
I will say, that is a self-imposed suffering.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Lalas247(f): 1:15pm On Aug 06, 2017
TheLordIsGr8:

There are people in the USA and Uk who are not working but are still breeding. The govt is their breadwinner. What do you have to say about that in relation to your point.
If you know what a bushman means you'll know he takes his family very seriously. Wrong analogy.
For the record, I don't advocate for a welfare state because a govt big enough to give you everything is also big enough to take away everything


Haba!!! Since there are jobs already why is Bruce asking people to create more jobs? Or does he want over-job? But on a serious note you are not being honest. How many people do you also know that have lost jobs? None? How many entrepreneurs do you know? How many do you know who complain of the comatose situation of power in the country, to name one area? None?



Congrats to your friend.
But shell can only employ so much people. How many positions did they advertise for? Because it happened to be someone you know that landed the job suddenly there are "jobs everywhere." Can you tell us how many other people you know who applied for same job that didn't get it? Not that you care anyway.
It breaks my heart that a fellow woman would disparage their fellow woman because she has chosen the career of bringing life into the world.
Not that the Shell recruitment process is totally transparent, but that is a matter for another day.



Wait a minute. Your friend has not created any job yet. Bruce wants us to stop making babies and start creating jobs. So I (perhaps Bruce as well) will complain if your friend starts making babies instead of creating jobs. Because all of her 10 kids cannot work at shell na. Abi na her papa company?



Isn't this ironic coming from you. "Breeders with no brains." Doesn't this border on Eugenics? Imagine if a "white" guy were to say what you just said. You will be up in arms, drowning yourself in cries of "racism". The French president was taken to task the other day for saying the same thing Bruce said (different words notwithstanding).



Of course the people are to blame for putting people like Bruce in charge of national affairs. That is the people's one and only fault.
I'll be back grin
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Lexusgs430: 1:16pm On Aug 06, 2017
johnson232:

@bold it should be a matter of urgency...
There is hope...if some people are now beginning to reasoning this way....

But the problem is our people believe in having loads of kids......
Believing they don't know who might become a President....
We should have a policy of a maximum of 2.3 kids, per married couple.....
Having children out of wedlock, punishable (yet to be decided)
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by johnson232: 1:16pm On Aug 06, 2017
cy4cent:
True talk! Maximum of 2/
Correct girl...

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Aura2(f): 1:16pm On Aug 06, 2017
TheLordIsGr8:

Of course they are a producing economy which is function of proper govt doing its job. If we had better govt our GDP would be better. You are unwittingly adding to my point. I just have to tell you. I'm not one to take credit for another's work.



Well, the joke is on you. Fewer people meant that the effect of the corruption was less severe, thus not noticeable until it was "too" late. A functioning govt plans for future citizens. That is the meaning of having an "agenda." A road-map for the future.
The numbers "happened" on us because the few went to sleep believing all was well. The numbers only highlighted the problem. It didn't cause it, not even remotely.

Since you have realised your government over the years never planned for your future, what is the smart thing to do,? breed like chicken or control your birth rate?

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Lalas247(f): 1:17pm On Aug 06, 2017
ivolt:


If I say we must stop dumping refuse on waterways.
Does it means I am forcing you to abide by my statement ?

No where in the world is a large population an advantage,
it is either being actively discouraged or their is a campaign
to reduce it.

The world's resources is finite, while baby making is not,
it is only rational to reduce birth rates.

It is no accident that high fertility rate is highly correlated with extreme
poverty.

A poor man gives birth to 9 children he can't cater for, he send the
kids to the streets for survival, then turn around to blame government,
I will say, that is a self-imposed suffering.



Your Future is bright God bless you cheesy tell them again

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Moganajoe: 1:17pm On Aug 06, 2017
You have spoken well Hon.Senator. But this advice is needed by your fulani friends in the national assemblies, because in the SS, SE we are very careful about that. We produce what we can carter for, that is why we do not have extremist here.
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by poseidon12: 1:18pm On Aug 06, 2017
I agree with the Senator. Too many people are having more kids than they can take care of.

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Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by johnson232: 1:19pm On Aug 06, 2017
Lexusgs430:


But the problem is our people believe in having loads of kids......
Believing they don't know who might become a President....
We should have a policy of a maximum of 2.3 kids, per married couple.....
Having children out of wedlock, punishable (yet to be decided)
U just dey give me joy with your comments...
Population is a very big problem in this country...
No government can take good care of the citizens without proper birth control...
Nigeria need to address this population issue...It is getting out of hand..
Re: We Must Stop Producing More Babies And Create More Jobs says Senator Ben Bruce by Nobody: 1:19pm On Aug 06, 2017
Lalas247:

3 ke u wan spoil this my shape cheesy. No wello
grin grin grin grin no worries just imagine the 3 beautiful faces of 2 boys and 1 girl of me and you and you will be just fine! tongue grin

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