easymancfc:

It somewhere in there...

but just in case you didn't see it... JESUS HIMSELF SAID IT IN LUKE 20

KJV
Luke 20: 36a neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;

RSVCE
Luke 20:36a 36 for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels

THEY CANNOT DIE ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY ARE EQUAL TO THE ANGELS MEANING ANGELS CANNOT DIE...

. But the Bible speaks of the wicked being
tormented "forever," doesn't it?
The term "for ever," as used in the Bible, means
simply a period of time, limited or unlimited. It is
used 56 times in the Bible in connection with
things that have already ended. (To check in a
concordance, look up the word "ever." It is like
the word "tall," which means something different
in describing men, trees, or mountains. In Jonah
2:6, "for ever" means "three days and
nights." (See also Jonah 1:17.) In Deuteronomy
23:3, this means "10 generations." In the case of
man, this means "as long as he lives" or "until
death." (See 1 Samuel 1:22, 28; Exodus 21:6;
Psalms 48:14.) So the wicked will burn in the fire
as long as they live, or until death. This fiery
punishment for sin will vary according to the
degree of sins for each individual, but after the
punishment, the fire will go out. The teaching of
eternal torment has done more to drive people to
atheism and insanity than any other invention of
the devil. It is slander upon the loving character
of a tender, gracious heavenly Father and has
done untold harm to the Christian cause.

easymancfc:

It somewhere in there...

but just in case you didn't see it... JESUS HIMSELF SAID IT IN LUKE 20

KJV
Luke 20: 36a neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;

RSVCE
Luke 20:36a 36 for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels

THEY CANNOT DIE ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY ARE EQUAL TO THE ANGELS MEANING ANGELS CANNOT DIE...

The Bible talks about the Second death in the Book of Revelation.
Also the book of revelation talks about Hell(grave) and death been cast into the lake of fire.

blueAgent:




Jesus meant the Angels who where loyal to God. God cannot contradict himself in Ezekiel 28:1-end the God said he will destory Satan and turn him to Ashes.

As usual you only pick Bible verses that support your doctrine while ingnoring other bible verses.
The Bible is better understood when all verses relating to a particular issue is read and rationailized.

1. It only mentions angels... it doesn't add those that where not faithful... by their nature... they cannot die... besides YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT ATLEAST GOOD ANGELS LIVE ETERNALLY MEANING ATLEAST THE SAVED WILL ALSO LIVE ETERNALLY...

blueAgent:






All this Bible verses below talks about the total destruction of the Sinners and not an eternal Hell fire.

The wicked die the second death in
hellfire. If the wicked lived forever being tortured
in hell, they would be immortal. But this is
impossible, because the Bible says God "only
hath immortality." 1 Timothy 6:16. When Adam
and Eve were driven from the Garden of Eden, an
angel was posted to guard the tree of life so that
sinners would not eat of the tree and "live for
ever." Genesis 3:22-24. The teaching that sinners
are immortal in hell originated with Satan and is
completely untrue. God prevented this when sin
entered this earth by guarding the tree of life.
Bible Clear - Wicked Obliterated
The Bible says the wicked suffer "death" (Romans
6:23), will suffer "destruction" (Job 21:30), "shall
perish" (Psalms 37:20), will "burn" up (Malachi
4:1), "shall be destroyed together" (Psalms 37:38)
, will "consume away" (Psalms 37:20), "shall be
cut off" (Psalms 37:9), "shall be slain" (Psalms
62:3). God will "destroy" them (Psalms 145:20),
and "fire shall devour them" (Psalms 21:9). Note
that all of these references make it clear that the wicked die and are destroyed. They do not live forever in misery.

Annihilationalism another heresy...

Immortality is a gift of God... I have already answer you 1 tim 6 objection...

Jesus promises that those who believe in him shall never die... (john 11:26 and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?)...

So atleast the righteous according to your beliefs will have eternal life/immortality right?

The tree of life in Genesis 3 is immortality in the sense that Man would not die the physical death... ALL MEN DIE THE PHYSICAL DEATH.... SAVED OR UNSAVED

ALL THE PASSAGES IN THE PSALMS YOU TALK ABOUT EITHER REFER TO PHYSICAL DEATH PRIMARILY,

ROMANS 6:23 TALKS ABOUT THE SECOND DEATH WHICH NO WHERE MENTIONS "DESTRUCTION"

LASTLY... DOES DESTRUCTION ALWAYS MEAN ANNIHILATION OR OBLITERATION ?? NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE...

heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might DESTROY him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

WAS THE DEVIL ANNIHILATED AFTER JESUS' DEATH AND RESURRECTION NO....

WHAT ABOUT CUT OFF??
TO CUT OFF MEANS TO CAST OUT
Exodus 12:19
'Seven days there shall be no leaven
found in your houses; for whoever eats
what is leavened, that person shall be
cut off from the congregation of Israel,
whether he is an alien or a native of the
land.

Leviticus 7:27
'Any person who eats any blood, even
that person shall be cut off from his
people.'"

TO CUT OFF MEANS TO CAST OUT ALSO... NOT ONLY TO ANNIHILATE...

TO BE SLAIN MEANS TO BE KILLED BODILY ALSO... NOT NECESSARILY FOR THEM TO CEASE EXISTENCE... GOOD PEOPLE WERE ALSO SLAIN.. THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY CEASE TO EXIST

JESUS WAS SLAIN

luke 9:22 saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be SLAIN,

acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and SLAIN:

acts 13:28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be SLAIN...

MARTYRS WERE ALSO SLAIN see rev 2:13, 6:9 etc
SO "DESTROY", "SLAIN", "CUT OFF" DOESNT ALWAYS MEAN ANNIHILATION..

blueAgent:





. Will the fire eventually go out?
"Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall
burn them; they shall not deliver themselves
from the power of the flame: there shall not be a
coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it." Isaiah
47:14. "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth."
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their
eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither
sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any
more pain: for the former things are passed
away." Revelation 21:1, 4.
Answer: Yes, indeed, the Bible specifically
teaches that hellfire will go out and that there will
not be left "a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit
before it." The Bible also teaches that in God's
new kingdom all "former things" will be passed
away. Hell, being one of the former things, is
included, so we have God's promise that it will be
abolished.

YEAH... THE NEW HEAVEN AND THE NEW EARTH RIGHT... EVERYTHING BECOMING NEW RIGHT?

WRONG....

Heaven and Earth will definitely be renewed but we will still be there... albeit transformed... So too will the Lake of fire still be there... HELL, HADES (DEATH) WILL BE THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHICH WILL STILL BE THERE AFTER THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH...

YOU'RE RIGHT REV 21: 1-4 TALKS ABOUT A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH... BUT JUST 4 VERSES LATER IN REV 21:8 STILL TALKS ABOUT SINNERS IN THE LAKE OF FIRE

REV 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with FIRE and brimstone:

SO NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH DOESNT AFFECT SINNERS BEING IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHERE THE DEVIL IS ALSO AND THEY WILL BE TORMENTED "FOREVER AND EVER"

rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER AND EVER.

blueAgent:





Does the word "hell" as used in the Bible
always refer to a place of burning or
punishment?
Answer: No, the word "hell" is used 54 times in
the Bible, and in only 12 cases does it refer to "a
place of burning."
The word "hell" is translated from several
different words with various meanings, as
indicated below:
IN THE OLD
TESTAMENT
31 times from "Sheol,"
which means the grave."
IN THE NEW
TESTAMENT
10 times from "Hades,"
which means "the
grave."
12 times from
"Gehenna," which
means "the place of
burning."
1 time from "Tartarus,"
which means "a place of
darkness."
54 TIMES TOTAL
Note: The Greek word "Gehenna" (mentioned
above) is a transliteration of the Hebrew "Ge-
Hinnom," which means the "Valley of Hinnom."
This valley, which lies immediately south and
west of Jerusalem, was a place where dead
animals, garbage, and other refuse were dumped.
Fire burned constantly, as it does at modern
sanitation dump sites. The Bible uses "Gehenna"
or the "Valley of Hinnom" as a symbol of the fire
that will destroy the lost at the end of time. The
fire of Gehenna was not unending. Otherwise it
would be still burning southwest of Jerusalem
today. Neither will the fire of hell be unending.
Destroying sin, sinners, and Satan

You' re right... HELL WHICH EVER IT IS IS NOT UNENDING BUT THE LAKE OF FIRE IS

rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

blueAgent:






Then why does the Bible say that the wicked
will be destroyed with unquenchable fire?
Unquenchable fire is fire that cannot be put out,
but which goes out when it has turned everything
to ashes. Jeremiah 17:27 says Jerusalem was to
be destroyed with unquenchable fire, and in 2
Chronicles 36:19-21 the Bible says this fire
burned the city "to fulfill the word of the Lord by
the mouth of Jeremiah" and left it desolate. Yet we
know this fire went out, because Jerusalem is not
burning today.
3. Doesn't Matthew 25:46 say the wicked will
receive "everlasting punishment"?
Notice the word is punishment, not punishing.
Punishing would be continuous, while
punishment is one act. The punishment of the
wicked is death, and this death is everlasting.
4. Can you explain Matthew 10:28: "Fear not
them which kill the body, but are not able to
kill the soul"?
The word "soul" has three meanings in the Bible:
(1) a living being—Genesis 2:7, (2) the mind—
Psalms 139:14, and (3) life—1 Samuel 18:1,
which here refers to eternal life that God
guarantees all who reach His kingdom. No one
can take this away. The last part of Matthew 10:28
says both soul and body will be destroyed in
hell.

Your play on words doesnt work...

Mathew 25:46 talks about Eternal reward and punishment....

what is punishment??
noun (plural punishments)
1. The act or process of punishing, imposing and/or applying a sanction.
2. A penalty to punish wrongdoing, especially for crime.
3. A suffering by pain or loss imposed as retribution

AS YOU CAN SEE, PUNISHMENT IS A PROCESS THAT CAN GO ON FOR ETERNITY WHEN IT IS "ETERNAL PUNISHMENT"


ACCORDING TO MAT 10:28, JESUS CORRECTLY REVEALS THAT WE ARE MADE UP OF BODY AND SOUL.. PEOPLE OR THE DEVIL CAN KILL OUR BODY BUT OUR SOUL CAN ONLY BE KILLED BY GOD...
YES GOD CAN LITERALLY KILL OUR SOUL... BUT DEATH HEAR REFERS TO SEPARATION FROM GOD FOR ETERNITY WHICH STARTS IN HELL AND CONTINUES IN THE LAKE OF FIRE...

blueAgent:




. But the Bible speaks of the wicked being
tormented "forever," doesn't it?
The term "for ever," as used in the Bible, means
simply a period of time, limited or unlimited. It is
used 56 times in the Bible in connection with
things that have already ended. (To check in a
concordance, look up the word "ever." It is like
the word "tall," which means something different
in describing men, trees, or mountains. In Jonah
2:6, "for ever" means "three days and
nights." (See also Jonah 1:17.) In Deuteronomy
23:3, this means "10 generations." In the case of
man, this means "as long as he lives" or "until
death." (See 1 Samuel 1:22, 28; Exodus 21:6;
Psalms 48:14.) So the wicked will burn in the fire
as long as they live, or until death. This fiery
punishment for sin will vary according to the
degree of sins for each individual, but after the
punishment, the fire will go out. The teaching of
eternal torment has done more to drive people to
atheism and insanity than any other invention of
the devil. It is slander upon the loving character
of a tender, gracious heavenly Father and has
done untold harm to the Christian cause.

So the wicked being tormented "for ever" means a limited period of time but the righteous reward is Unending right or the glory and power and dominion and reign of God is also unending right

YOU'RE RIGHT FOREVER CAN MEAN A PERIOD OF "UNLIMITED TIME " BECAUSE FOR US IT HAS A BEGINNING BUT NO END...

IF YOUR THEORY IS RIGHT THEN THE ETERNAL REWARD OR HEAVEN MUST ALSO COME TO AN END WOULDN'T IT
psalm 37: 18 The Lord knoweth the days of the upright:
and their inheritance shall be for ever.

MEANING THEY SHALL LOSE THEIR INHERITANCE ONE DAY

Psalm 146:10
The LORD will reign forever, Your God, O
Zion, to all generations. Praise the
LORD!

Exodus 15:18
"The LORD shall reign forever and ever."
THE LORDS REIGN WILL END EVENTUALLY SINCE FOREVER HAS AN END??

Psalm 10:16
The LORD is King forever and ever;
Nations have perished from His land.

THE LORD WILL NO LONGER BE KING AT SOME POINT IN TIME??

OR GOD'S GLORY OR DOMINION OR POWER OR REIGN ETC WILL ALSO COME TO AN END.... NOT JUST THE PUNISHMENT SINCE FOREVER HAS SN END??

IF YOU INTERPRET FOREVER DIFFERENTLY FOR GOD AND THE SAVED FROM THE UNSAVED TELL ME WHY...

blueAgent:




The Bible talks about the Second death in the Book of Revelation.
Also the book of revelation talks about Hell(grave) and death been cast into the lake of fire.

This i agree with... but dont forget the lake of fire with death, hell, the devil, sinners etc in it is still there after the new heavens and the new earth materalized in rev 21:1-4 just go four verse later in verse 8..

easymancfc:


1. It only mentions angels... it doesn't add those that where not faithful... by their nature... they cannot die... besides YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT ATLEAST GOOD ANGELS LIVE ETERNALLY MEANING ATLEAST THE SAVED WILL ALSO LIVE ETERNALLY...

Your comprehension skill is laughable.

Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Even a 7years old child knows that Jesus is referring to the angels in Heaven.

If the angels cannot die than they are equal to God, mind you God knows the end of a thing from the begining so while would God create angels he cannot destory knowing they would rebel against him.

easymancfc:


So the wicked being tormented "for ever" means a limited period of time but the righteous reward is Unending right or the glory and power and dominion and reign of God is also unending right

YOU'RE RIGHT FOREVER CAN MEAN A PERIOD OF "UNLIMITED TIME " BECAUSE FOR US IT HAS A BEGINNING BUT NO END...

IF YOUR THEORY IS RIGHT THEN THE ETERNAL REWARD OR HEAVEN MUST ALSO COME TO AN END WOULDN'T IT
psalm 37: 18 The Lord knoweth the days of the upright:
and their inheritance shall be for ever.

MEANING THEY SHALL LOSE THEIR INHERITANCE ONE DAY

Psalm 146:10
The LORD will reign forever, Your God, O
Zion, to all generations. Praise the
LORD!

Exodus 15:18
"The LORD shall reign forever and ever."
THE LORDS REIGN WILL END EVENTUALLY SINCE FOREVER HAS AN END??

Psalm 10:16
The LORD is King forever and ever;
Nations have perished from His land.

THE LORD WILL NO LONGER BE KING AT SOME POINT IN TIME??

OR GOD'S GLORY OR DOMINION OR POWER OR REIGN ETC WILL ALSO COME TO AN END.... NOT JUST THE PUNISHMENT SINCE FOREVER HAS SN END??

IF YOU INTERPRET FOREVER DIFFERENTLY FOR GOD AND THE SAVED FROM THE UNSAVED TELL ME WHY...

God is immortal only him has immortality no where in the Bible is immortality used in describing any man,angel,or the Devil.
When Christ comes the second time the dead in christ will be ressurected and be transformed paul calls it putting on immortality, 1 Corinthians 15:53,
1 Thessalonians 4:17
while the righteous who are alive at that moment are also transformed.when the word forever is used to describe God and the saints after there resurrection it means life without end becos they have immortality. God has immortality inherently, while the saints obtain it from Jesus.
but the Sinners and the Devil have no immortality a look at the ressurection of the sinners which occur 1000yrs after the ressurection of the Saints does not say that they are transformed or given immortality so which means they can die.
This ressurection proves that what goes to Heaven or Hell is the full living human body which consist of body and the spirit of God an that union is called a Soul. That is what Jesus meant by destorying body and Soul in Hell.

easymancfc:


Annihilationalism another heresy...

Immortality is a gift of God... I have already answer you 1 tim 6 objection...

Jesus promises that those who believe in him shall never die... (john 11:26 and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?)...

So atleast the righteous according to your beliefs will have eternal life/immortality right?

The tree of life in Genesis 3 is immortality in the sense that Man would not die the physical death... ALL MEN DIE THE PHYSICAL DEATH.... SAVED OR UNSAVED

ALL THE PASSAGES IN THE PSALMS YOU TALK ABOUT EITHER REFER TO PHYSICAL DEATH PRIMARILY,

ROMANS 6:23 TALKS ABOUT THE SECOND DEATH WHICH NO WHERE MENTIONS "DESTRUCTION"

LASTLY... DOES DESTRUCTION ALWAYS MEAN ANNIHILATION OR OBLITERATION ?? NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE...

heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might DESTROY him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

WAS THE DEVIL ANNIHILATED AFTER JESUS' DEATH AND RESURRECTION NO....

WHAT ABOUT CUT OFF??
TO CUT OFF MEANS TO CAST OUT
Exodus 12:19
'Seven days there shall be no leaven
found in your houses; for whoever eats
what is leavened, that person shall be
cut off from the congregation of Israel,
whether he is an alien or a native of the
land.

Leviticus 7:27
'Any person who eats any blood, even
that person shall be cut off from his
people.'"

TO CUT OFF MEANS TO CAST OUT ALSO... NOT ONLY TO ANNIHILATE...

TO BE SLAIN MEANS TO BE KILLED BODILY ALSO... NOT NECESSARILY FOR THEM TO CEASE EXISTENCE... GOOD PEOPLE WERE ALSO SLAIN.. THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY CEASE TO EXIST

JESUS WAS SLAIN

luke 9:22 saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be SLAIN,

acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and SLAIN:

acts 13:28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be SLAIN...

MARTYRS WERE ALSO SLAIN see rev 2:13, 6:9 etc
SO "DESTROY", "SLAIN", "CUT OFF" DOESNT ALWAYS MEAN ANNIHILATION..

Asusual twisting bible verses to suit your fantasy.destruction of the sinners means total destruction stop twisting its meaning.

Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed. Isaiah 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction. Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

easymancfc:


So the wicked being tormented "for ever" means a limited period of time but the righteous reward is Unending right or the glory and power and dominion and reign of God is also unending right

YOU'RE RIGHT FOREVER CAN MEAN A PERIOD OF "UNLIMITED TIME " BECAUSE FOR US IT HAS A BEGINNING BUT NO END...

IF YOUR THEORY IS RIGHT THEN THE ETERNAL REWARD OR HEAVEN MUST ALSO COME TO AN END WOULDN'T IT
psalm 37: 18 The Lord knoweth the days of the upright:
and their inheritance shall be for ever.

MEANING THEY SHALL LOSE THEIR INHERITANCE ONE DAY

Psalm 146:10
The LORD will reign forever, Your God, O
Zion, to all generations. Praise the
LORD!

Exodus 15:18
"The LORD shall reign forever and ever."
THE LORDS REIGN WILL END EVENTUALLY SINCE FOREVER HAS AN END??

Psalm 10:16
The LORD is King forever and ever;
Nations have perished from His land.

THE LORD WILL NO LONGER BE KING AT SOME POINT IN TIME??

OR GOD'S GLORY OR DOMINION OR POWER OR REIGN ETC WILL ALSO COME TO AN END.... NOT JUST THE PUNISHMENT SINCE FOREVER HAS SN END??

IF YOU INTERPRET FOREVER DIFFERENTLY FOR GOD AND THE SAVED FROM THE UNSAVED TELL ME WHY...

Forever.
Using your logic of the word forever this Bible verses contradict God's character and Bible
Psalms 103:9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
Psalms 103:9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever. Jeremiah 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.

Psalms 103:9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever. Jeremiah 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever. Micah 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

1 Chronicles 16:41 And with them Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest that were chosen, who were expressed by name, to give thanks to the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever;

1 Chronicles 16:41 And with them Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest that were chosen, who were expressed by name, to give thanks to the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever; 2 Chronicles 7:3

We all know what mercy means. It means unwillingly to punish or willingly to pardon. Now if the Mercy of God endureth forever than Hellfire would never have existed secondly if God does not hold anger forever than Hellfire cannot exist forever. Moral of the lesson is forever most be understood based on the context in which it is applied.

easymancfc:


Annihilationalism another heresy...

Immortality is a gift of God... I have already answer you 1 tim 6 objection...

Jesus promises that those who believe in him shall never die... (john 11:26 and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?)...

So atleast the righteous according to your beliefs will have eternal life/immortality right?

The tree of life in Genesis 3 is immortality in the sense that Man would not die the physical death... ALL MEN DIE THE PHYSICAL DEATH.... SAVED OR UNSAVED

ALL THE PASSAGES IN THE PSALMS YOU TALK ABOUT EITHER REFER TO PHYSICAL DEATH PRIMARILY,

ROMANS 6:23 TALKS ABOUT THE SECOND DEATH WHICH NO WHERE MENTIONS "DESTRUCTION"

LASTLY... DOES DESTRUCTION ALWAYS MEAN ANNIHILATION OR OBLITERATION ?? NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE...

heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might DESTROY him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

WAS THE DEVIL ANNIHILATED AFTER JESUS' DEATH AND RESURRECTION NO....

WHAT ABOUT CUT OFF??
TO CUT OFF MEANS TO CAST OUT
Exodus 12:19
'Seven days there shall be no leaven
found in your houses; for whoever eats
what is leavened, that person shall be
cut off from the congregation of Israel,
whether he is an alien or a native of the
land.

Leviticus 7:27
'Any person who eats any blood, even
that person shall be cut off from his
people.'"

TO CUT OFF MEANS TO CAST OUT ALSO... NOT ONLY TO ANNIHILATE...

TO BE SLAIN MEANS TO BE KILLED BODILY ALSO... NOT NECESSARILY FOR THEM TO CEASE EXISTENCE... GOOD PEOPLE WERE ALSO SLAIN.. THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY CEASE TO EXIST

JESUS WAS SLAIN

luke 9:22 saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be SLAIN,

acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and SLAIN:

acts 13:28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be SLAIN...

MARTYRS WERE ALSO SLAIN see rev 2:13, 6:9 etc
SO "DESTROY", "SLAIN", "CUT OFF" DOESNT ALWAYS MEAN ANNIHILATION..

Asusual twisting bible verses to suit your fantasy.destruction of the sinners means total destruction stop twisting its meaning.

Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed. Isaiah 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction. Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition

easymancfc:


You' re right... HELL WHICH EVER IT IS IS NOT UNENDING BUT THE LAKE OF FIRE IS

rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Asusual twisting bible verses to suit your fantasy.destruction of the sinners means total destruction stop twisting its meaning.

Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed. Isaiah 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction. Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition

easymancfc:


You' re right... HELL WHICH EVER IT IS IS NOT UNENDING BUT THE LAKE OF FIRE IS

rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Psalms 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

easymancfc:


YEAH... THE NEW HEAVEN AND THE NEW EARTH RIGHT... EVERYTHING BECOMING NEW RIGHT?

WRONG....

Heaven and Earth will definitely be renewed but we will still be there... albeit transformed... So too will the Lake of fire still be there... HELL, HADES (DEATH) WILL BE THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHICH WILL STILL BE THERE AFTER THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH...

YOU'RE RIGHT REV 21: 1-4 TALKS ABOUT A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH... BUT JUST 4 VERSES LATER IN REV 21:8 STILL TALKS ABOUT SINNERS IN THE LAKE OF FIRE

REV 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with FIRE and brimstone:

SO NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH DOESNT AFFECT SINNERS BEING IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHERE THE DEVIL IS ALSO AND THEY WILL BE TORMENTED "FOREVER AND EVER"

rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER AND EVER.

The book of Revelation was not written in
Chronological order.

easymancfc:


YEAH... THE NEW HEAVEN AND THE NEW EARTH RIGHT... EVERYTHING BECOMING NEW RIGHT?

WRONG....

Heaven and Earth will definitely be renewed but we will still be there... albeit transformed... So too will the Lake of fire still be there... HELL, HADES (DEATH) WILL BE THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHICH WILL STILL BE THERE AFTER THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH...

YOU'RE RIGHT REV 21: 1-4 TALKS ABOUT A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH... BUT JUST 4 VERSES LATER IN REV 21:8 STILL TALKS ABOUT SINNERS IN THE LAKE OF FIRE

REV 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with FIRE and brimstone:

SO NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH DOESNT AFFECT SINNERS BEING IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WHERE THE DEVIL IS ALSO AND THEY WILL BE TORMENTED "FOREVER AND EVER"

rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER AND EVER.

Scientist has estimated the age of the Universe to be over 13 billion years old,which is like 0.1% fraction of eternity.

God does not have a begining or end which means God is far older than 13billion yrs and would continue to exist indefinately.
Now you and your doctrine are assuming that God would burn people in Hellfire for more than 13billion yrs and beyond. This is gulliable.God cannot be more heartless than man.
What would God gain by burning people for eternity becos of a sinful life of max 200yrs

Where is the Justice which God is known for.
show where it is written that the Soul is immortal or goes to Hellfire rather than the body.

blueAgent:



Your comprehension skill is laughable.

Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Even a 7years old child knows that Jesus is referring to the angels in Heaven.

If the angels cannot die than they are equal to God, mind you God knows the end of a thing from the begining so while would God create angels he cannot destory knowing they would rebel against him.

Angels were all created for the same purpose... to serve God, Good or bad, They were created with the same LONGEVITY....

GOD IS ALL POWERFUL HE CAN DESTROY ANYTHING HE WANTS HUMANS, ANGELS, ETC...

BUT HE CREATED THEM WITH IMMORTALITY...
SO THEY TOO WILL SERVE HIM FOREVER... MICHAEL FOR EXAMPLE HAS BEING THERE, SINCE HE WAS CREATED... HE WILL CONTINUE TO BE THERE... JESUS' WORDS WERE VERY CLEAR... ANGELS CANNOT DIE...

IT DOESNT MEAN OFCOURSE THAT GOD IF HE CHOOSES TO CANNOT ANNIHILATE THEM... THE THING IS... HE WONT....

GOD IS OUTSIDE OF TIME WHILE EVERYTHING IN CREATION EXISTS IN TIME...

blueAgent:




Scientist has estimated the age of the Universe to be over 13 billion years old,which is like 0.1% fraction of eternity.

God does not have a begining or end which means God is far older than 13billion yrs and would continue to exist indefinately.
Now you and your doctrine are assuming that God would burn people in Hellfire for more than 13billion yrs and beyond. This is gulliable.God cannot be more heartless than man.
What would God gain by burning people for eternity becos of a sinful life of max 200yrs

Where is the Justice which God is known for.
show where it is written that the Soul is immortal or goes to Hellfire rather than the body.

LOL SO YOU HAVE NOW BROUGHT "SCIENCE" INTO THE ARGUMENT...

GODS JUSTICE IS GIVING DUE REWARD AND DUE PUNISHMENT...

SO GOD SHOULD GIVE UNENDING HEAVEN TO A PERSON WHO LIVES A RIGHTEOUS LIFE 200YR LIFE BUT SHOULD NOT GIVE UNENDING FIRE/ TORMENT TO A PERSON WHO LIVES A SINFUL LIFE RIGHT? AND THAT IS JUSTICE TO YOU ABI

IF YOU'RE AFRAID OF HELL JUST SAY SO...


God is infinitely holy, infinitely good etc so when you sin against an infinitely holy God, your punishment should you CHOOSE not to repent is INFINITE... ETERNAL PUNISHMENT

if you love and obey an infinitely holy, infinitely good God, your reward will INFINITE, if you dont fall away and remain away..
ETERNAL REWARD...

THIS IS THE JUSTICE GOD IS KNOWN FOR... ETERNAL REWARD AND ETERNAL PUNISHMENT (Mat 25:46, Dan 12:2)

As for your immortal soul... go and read the earlier comments on this thread... you have swayed the topic enough

blueAgent:



The book of Revelation was not written in
Chronological order.

IF REVELATION WAS NOT WRITTEN IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER THEN YOUR NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH THEORY DOESNT WORK EITHER... because when it happens would be unclear and you can draw your conclusion from it...

blueAgent:





Psalms 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

Yes they shall not be... either because they have died and are in hell or in the lake of fire.. THEY SHALL NOT BE ON EARTH OR IN HEAVEN..

blueAgent:







Asusual twisting bible verses to suit your fantasy.destruction of the sinners means total destruction stop twisting its meaning.

Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed. Isaiah 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction. Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition

AMEN... THEY WILL BE DESTROYED... I BELIEVE ALL THOSE VERSES... BUT NOT YOUR INTERPRETATION...

destruction for sinners is eternity in the lake of fire.. they will be consumed indeed but in the lake of fire for eternity..

blueAgent:






Asusual twisting bible verses to suit your fantasy.destruction of the sinners means total destruction stop twisting its meaning.

Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed. Isaiah 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction. Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition

You are always accusing me of twisting scripture... who gave you the power to be the sole infallible interpreter of scripture... so that anyone who interprets it differently is twisting it are you the only one who interprets scripture correctly
what authority do you have to say that... when according to your doctrine every christian has the right to read and interpret scriptures

blueAgent:



Forever.
Using your logic of the word forever this Bible verses contradict God's character and Bible
Psalms 103:9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
Psalms 103:9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever. Jeremiah 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.

Psalms 103:9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever. Jeremiah 3:12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever. Micah 7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

1 Chronicles 16:41 And with them Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest that were chosen, who were expressed by name, to give thanks to the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever;

1 Chronicles 16:41 And with them Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest that were chosen, who were expressed by name, to give thanks to the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever; 2 Chronicles 7:3

We all know what mercy means. It means unwillingly to punish or willingly to pardon. Now if the Mercy of God endureth forever than Hellfire would never have existed secondly if God does not hold anger forever than Hellfire cannot exist forever. Moral of the lesson is forever most be understood based on the context in which it is applied.

YOU'RE RIGHT.. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, GODS MERCY IS NOT OPPOSED TO HIS JUSTICE... IN THIS LIFE HE GIVES US OPPORTUNITIES TO REPENT AND ACCEPT HIS MERCY.. WHEN WE CHOOSE NOT TO.. THEN HIS JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL....

THAT IS WHY PAUL SAYS in heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

easymancfc:


YOU'RE RIGHT.. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, GODS MERCY IS NOT OPPOSED TO HIS JUSTICE... IN THIS LIFE HE GIVES US OPPORTUNITIES TO REPENT AND ACCEPT HIS MERCY.. WHEN WE CHOOSE NOT TO.. THEN HIS JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL....

THAT IS WHY PAUL SAYS in heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

You contracdict yourself here their is no justice in burning someone for eternity for sin he committed in a lifetime of let say 200yrs.

easymancfc:


You are always accusing me of twisting scripture... who gave you the power to be the sole infallible interpreter of scripture... so that anyone who interprets it differently is twisting it are you the only one who interprets scripture correctly
what authority do you have to say that... when according to your doctrine every christian has the right to read and interpret scriptures

I never claimed to be the interpreter of the Scripture.
We are expected to search and know the truth about God's word.
My argument and interpretation of the Bible is consistent with what every other part of the Bible says.

The Bible instructs us to
2 Timothy 2:15King James Version (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

If the Sinners are to burn in Hellfire forever why did the bible talk about the second death and sinners becoming ashes. to reconcile this you need to every bible verse on that particular topic and not just some selected bible verses that support your preconcieved idea.

easymancfc:


Yes they shall not be... either because they have died and are in hell or in the lake of fire.. THEY SHALL NOT BE ON EARTH OR IN HEAVEN..

Wrong idea.

easymancfc:


IF REVELATION WAS NOT WRITTEN IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER THEN YOUR NEW HEAVENS AND NEW EARTH THEORY DOESNT WORK EITHER... because when it happens would be unclear and you can draw your conclusion from it...

You can google it.

easymancfc:


LOL SO YOU HAVE NOW BROUGHT "SCIENCE" INTO THE ARGUMENT...

GODS JUSTICE IS GIVING DUE REWARD AND DUE PUNISHMENT...

SO GOD SHOULD GIVE UNENDING HEAVEN TO A PERSON WHO LIVES A RIGHTEOUS LIFE 200YR LIFE BUT SHOULD NOT GIVE UNENDING FIRE/ TORMENT TO A PERSON WHO LIVES A SINFUL LIFE RIGHT? AND THAT IS JUSTICE TO YOU ABI

IF YOU'RE AFRAID OF HELL JUST SAY SO...


God is infinitely holy, infinitely good etc so when you sin against an infinitely holy God, your punishment should you CHOOSE not to repent is INFINITE... ETERNAL PUNISHMENT

if you love and obey an infinitely holy, infinitely good God, your reward will INFINITE, if you dont fall away and remain away..
ETERNAL REWARD...

THIS IS THE JUSTICE GOD IS KNOWN FOR... ETERNAL REWARD AND ETERNAL PUNISHMENT (Mat 25:46, Dan 12:2)

As for your immortal soul... go and read the earlier comments on this thread... you have swayed the topic enough

Your logic is really laughable.

The bible says the wages of Sin is DEATH not eternal fire simple.

easymancfc:


Angels were all created for the same purpose... to serve God, Good or bad, They were created with the same LONGEVITY....

GOD IS ALL POWERFUL HE CAN DESTROY ANYTHING HE WANTS HUMANS, ANGELS, ETC...

BUT HE CREATED THEM WITH IMMORTALITY...
SO THEY TOO WILL SERVE HIM FOREVER... MICHAEL FOR EXAMPLE HAS BEING THERE, SINCE HE WAS CREATED... HE WILL CONTINUE TO BE THERE... JESUS' WORDS WERE VERY CLEAR... ANGELS CANNOT DIE...

IT DOESNT MEAN OFCOURSE THAT GOD IF HE CHOOSES TO CANNOT ANNIHILATE THEM... THE THING IS... HE WONT....

GOD IS OUTSIDE OF TIME WHILE EVERYTHING IN CREATION EXISTS IN TIME...

Laughable. biggest heresy of the century.

You see how you twist scriptures. you said angels are immortal yet you say God can destory them.
Why are you scared of facing the truth?

If God can destory a the angels as you said then while doubt the fact that the same God has said he will consume sinners (including the Fallen angels and the Devil( and turn them to ashes.

While cann't you accept this fact. i know becos it exposes your Church's fake doctrine.

Let me ask you while select bible verses and leave the ones that expose your church doctrine?

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness:


We are not allowed to cherry pick bible verses.
all the Bible verses that talks about the fate of sinners the fallen angels and the Devil must be considered that i have done but you keep twisting and recycling the same bible verses even after there true meaning have been proved.

blueAgent:



You contracdict yourself here their is no justice in burning someone for eternity for sin he committed in a lifetime of let say 200yrs.

But there is Justice in rewarding someone with heaven for eternity for a lifetime of 200yrs right...

laughable...