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Established facts that there was a strong debate? They should continue

Durant is a multiple scoring champion, NBA champion and finals MVP, multiple all star, led his team to the playoffs and is a major impact on his team stemming from his leadership

Kobe is a 5 time NBA champion with 2 finals MVP, multiple first team NBA, most all star appearances, 30k points, 35.4ppg in a season, led Kwame Brown and Smush Parker to playoffs.

These are players that besides low number of MVP titles have proven themselves time and time again.

Who is Kawhi Leonard to be the 2nd best player in the league? What has he achieved? DPOY? So has Joakim Noah

Choose a player, put him in the Brooklyn nets, try and get them back to the playoffs. You're going to pick Kawhi over Durant and Curry?

Okay, continue...

Ersan:


LMAO! I've been rating kawhi for a very long time just as I'm rating the human alphabet now saying he will get his due credit in a while and he has. Sometimes when opinions clash it's good to hear the opinions of experts as well, if you think these two are wastemen then what about sir Charles and Shaq who both rate him as number 2 in the league? Do you know basketball better than them as well? What about your god Jeffrey? Sit down small fry! Put some respect on kawhis name and get of Currys d-ck! No objective person who watches the NBA will make such ridiculous statements.

Leading a team of 3 all stars to the finals is no unachievable feat. Kawhi is basically carrying the Spurs in the stacked west to the conference finals. Only way to stop the Spurs from spanking them like they were is to send zaza to do him dirty.

Roland17:
For his size and courage, IT4 is an anomaly and its this same anomaly in size that concerns me about his hip injury especially considering he turns 29 in February. I think he would miss a significant portion of the season and play sporadically when he returns which would force the Cavs to move him elsewhere.

SIRcumalot:

No,but that supporting cast na easy excuse.
When the team needed another playmaker to run the cavs offense this last season where Kyrie dey? His a great iso scorer,big shot maker,The rest still remains to be seen.
If the term for ball hogging never change na kyrie face go appear near the term for dictionary,not necessarily a bad thing.
Have seen Rose be better on a good team,the cavs are a really good team not that we need him for passing he just need to play like kyrie for us to work well.

A40:
What is easy excuse? Which player in that Kyrie roster has gone on to be anything? When you have a Forward that insists on playing a Point Guard's role then what you see should be what you get. I strongly suspect this was another reason Kyrie wanted out. If Kyrie is a ball hog then wait till you see Derrick Rose hit the floor. Go and look at their catch and shoot numbers. Wo o ti mo meme. If you feel Rose is a better playmaker we go see. Shey season starts in less than 40 days
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SIRcumalot:

Dion got paid this year.
Tristan sef get him value. Na two players be that without even checking roster
When I already called Rose at this point in his career,similar to Kyrie but poorer shooting numbers!?
Na you suppose tell us why Kyrie no be ball hogger.

A40:
You argue like a troglodyte at times.

There is a difference between opinion and what actually goes on on the court. The same Sir Charles who said a jump shooting team would never win a Chip? It seems brain dey pain you.

Steph Curry was the best player in the league two years straight! Kawhi has never been the best player in the league at any point in time so FOH with that noise.

Leading a team with 3 all-stars? Didn't Lebron your god also need a bunch of all stars to win a ring?

Last season was Kawhi's first time of getting the Spurs to a Conference Finals and he definitely had plenty help. Hell they beat the Rockets twice without him! So you are the one who needs to get of Kawhi's preeq

A40:
Everybody with two legs is getting paid! Zach Randolph is almost 38 and is on a $12m per year deal. What you should be asking yourself is why no one picked up Rose. How many all-star games between Dion and Tristan? Playing with Carlos Boozer and Luol Deng in your early years is different from playing with Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson

A40:
Everybody with two legs is getting paid! Zach Randolph is almost 38 and is on a $12m per year deal. What you should be asking yourself is why no one picked up Rose. How many all-star games between Dion and Tristan? Playing with Carlos Boozer and Luol Deng in your early years is different from playing with Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson

SIRcumalot:

Everyone isn't getting paid.
If that money is not enough evidence his last season with Miami nko?
I thought it was on this same thread somebody was educating me on why the cavs should sweep the league because our players were drafted high.
Is this talk about who is better between Rose and kyrie at the moment? I confuse because you already have my answer.

Ersan:


Injuries and uncertainties, simple as that. Not a matter of performance. People who put up much much much worse numbers than him are getting paid. And let's not forget the Lakers wanted him as well, and regardless of his reputation he would have been paid much more than the minimum there. I think he wanted a shot at a ring, that's a very powerful motive for taking a cut and of course he wanted to play with the GOAT.

Ersan:



It's far too common of an opinion of better learned experts to not be a fact. Isn't it convenient how you left out all other witnesses and singled one out?

Ersan:


LOL You lot confuse winning MVP with being the best player in the NBA. That's a very fundamental flaw in your reasoning.

Ersan:


Why are you deflecting the argument to LeBron now? Lmao! That doesn't void my argument though, like I said, give kawhi 2 all-stars and if he fails to better those team achievements you can use it against him.

Ersan:


But he did did he not? Something curry can't boast of. And BTW curry led the warriors twice before calling on big brother KD for help after getting bullied and blowing a 3-1 lead. Warriors are just as capable of beating the rockets without Curry. And you really believe the warriors would have humiliated the Spurs like they did with kawhi on the floor?

Ersan:


Here's the summary for me take it or leave it. Is curry better offensively? Sure, okay. But defensively and when it comes to making a team better, basketball IQ kawhi by a mile. Ergo why he's generally better, the developers Of that game know this much (at least in this case) most NBA fans know this much. You can keep dwelling in your pit of fantasies for all I care but the reality remains that kawhi>curry is a fact.

A40:
That was not an all-star caliber season. Neither Dion Waiters nor Tristan Thompson have contended for any sort of award in the league. Not even player of the week so don't use getting paid as a point when there is a clear glut of money in the league at the moment
Don't confuse yourself. You have openly tagged Kyrie a ball hog and inferior playmaker and this is what I objected to showing you that Kyrie's early years and playing with a Forward hell-bent on doing point guard work will not let you see the best of Kyrie

Roland17:
This is a very difficult argument for me especially since I love both players. Kawahi is easily a top 7 offensive player in the league and top 3 defensive player, while Curry is a top 3 offensive player, however, I would not rank him top 15 on defense. So where is the balance. The balance is in creating offense for teammates. If both players are doubled, which player has the ability to involve teammates better?

Kawahi is what I call an efficient offensive player and in today's NBA, efficiency in offense would only take you to the post season if you are a superstar and that's it. Curry revolutionized perimeter shooting in today's NBA. 2 MVP (1 unanimous) and 2 rings have to count for something for a player who become more vocal.

Kawahi needs to expand his offense and that includes creating more scoring for his teammates. I look at this way, if both players switched teams, which player has the probability of doing better? Would Kawahi's offense trump Curry's if he played for played for the current Warriors? Would Curry's scoring help push the Spurs farther than they have done in the post season? Can Cury win an MVP playing for Spurs? Absolutely!!! Can Kawahi win an MVP playing for the current Warriors? I honestly doubt.

Take nothing away from both players, they are great.

A40:
It goes beyond that mate. He had ok numbers but no team trying to win anything is building their team around Derrick Rose. FACT! His best shot was always going to be at a contender who needed veteran contribution. It would be daft for a young and upcoming team to pay Rose. The Knicks and Bulls two of the worst run franchises balked at doing that. So no gainsaying

rotimi9:
the word "great" can ONLY be used for CURRy for now.although he had a slow start to his career,he is an established hall of famer,a top 10 ever point guard, a Top 25 ever player,a two time MVP(back to back),the only unanimous mvp ever,a one time scoring champion, a 50-40-90 club member,2 time NBA champion,arguably the BEST SHOOTEr of all time.if he retired today hez jersey will surely be retired.



KAWHI on d other hand is "Good" but not yet "GREAT"

Roland17:
This is a very difficult argument for me especially since I love both players. Kawahi is easily a top 7 offensive player in the league and top 3 defensive player, while Curry is a top 3 offensive player, however, I would not rank him top 15 on defense. So where is the balance. The balance is in creating offense for teammates. If both players are doubled, which player has the ability to involve teammates better?

Kawahi is what I call an efficient offensive player and in today's NBA, efficiency in offense would only take you to the post season if you are a superstar and that's it. Curry revolutionized perimeter shooting in today's NBA. 2 MVP (1 unanimous) and 2 rings have to count for something for a player who become more vocal.

Kawahi needs to expand his offense and that includes creating more scoring for his teammates. I look at this way, if both players switched teams, which player has the probability of doing better? Would Kawahi's offense trump Curry's if he played for played for the current Warriors? Would Curry's scoring help push the Spurs farther than they have done in the post season? Can Cury win an MVP playing for Spurs? Absolutely!!! Can Kawahi win an MVP playing for the current Warriors? I honestly doubt.

Take nothing away from both players, they are great.

birdman:
Look at it another way - if the warriors could get Curry for Kawhi, would they do it? It spurs could swap Curry for Kawhi, would they bite. I say yes, warriors would do it. Spurs would not.

Comparing kawhi and curry is hard to do. kinda like comparing lebron and kobe. One is a special offensive weapon. The other is a special system player. Offense is flashy, and easily distracts you from true value. But the league has had lots of special offensive weapons, but the system players are much more dominant over time. If Curry is looking really good right now, its not just his sharpshooting skills - its the fact that the warriors have loaded up. Kawhi with warriors personnel would win rings to, as would CP3, Kyrie, IT, etc

Bottom line, if you are a GM, and you have a solid roster ready to win a 'ship, you pick the system superstar, Kawhi, over the offensive weapon Curry every time.

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I was going to reply but then your post was enough

Same Charles Barkley that said Kawhi was the best basketball player in the league
Same Charles Barkley that said Klay was better than Steph
Same Charles Barkley that said Klay was better than KD last year

Same Kenny Smith that said Curry was better than KD


I should take these asslickers seriously?

Roland17:


I beg to disagree with you. Objectivity is an imperative requirement when critiquing a player outside your comfort zone. I have not failed to highlight Curry's greatness owing to his exceptional offense, however, I think it is disrespectful not to accord Kawahi greatness.

Kawahi is an NBA champion, FMVP, 2 time defensive player of the year, 2 time all star, 2 time NBA first team, 3 time NBA defensive first team and the best 2 way player in the league. A player who averaged 25.5ppg in the regular season (progressive from 16ppg in 2014) and 27.7ppg in the post season.

Some hall of famers did not achieve half of what Kawahi has done thus far (26) to get inducted or have their jerseys retired. Don't get it twisted, if he decides to stop playing today, his jersey would hang on the rafters at the AT&T center, worth more if he finishes his career with the Spurs. We are speaking of a kid who has already broken into the top 10 Spur of all time in such a short spell.

Let me ask you, is D. Green a great player in the current NBA? Where would Westbrook, Harden, A. Davies, Thompson, CP3, J. Wall rank? Good? Or Great? The same way Curry has his stats and numbers to defend his superstar status, so does Kawahi, even though prior edges the latter in comparison.

rotimi9:
. YOUNG BLOOD i got two words "DERRICK ROSE"

This guy iz a:



3 time all star
NBA youngest MVP ever at just the age of 22
One time NBA first team
Rookie of the year
Olympic gold medalist
FIBA world cup winner

He led the chicago bulls to the BEST Record in the nba that year and led them to the EASTERN CONFRENCE FINALS.Surely anyone who saw him play in 2011 would havre said that he was on a "path to greatnes".that was until injuries caught up with him.he then slowly declined not able to play as he used to,reducing him to an average player.thus the " windy city assassin" fell.

If he retired today do u think he would be considered a great player.no we will have many players ranked ahead of him like wade,bosh,Peirce,allen,t-mac and so on all of whom never won mvps.

Same for kawhi ,KAWHI is a promising player with a bright future,a legitimate top 6 player in d league right now.if he is consistent he will definitely become a great player.but if he were to retire now or anything like injury happens,his achievements RIGHT NOW are not enough to classify him as a great player. FOR NOW he is only a good player.

But curry on the other hand has done ENOUGH to classify him as a great player as at NOW.i dont need to list out his acheivments im sure u know.

Ersan:


He's also 3 years older, rate kawhi when he's 29.

rotimi9:
. YOUNG BLOOD i got two words "DERRICK ROSE"

This guy iz a:



3 time all star
NBA youngest MVP ever at just the age of 22
One time NBA first team
Rookie of the year
Olympic gold medalist
FIBA world cup winner

He led the chicago bulls to the BEST Record in the nba that year and led them to the EASTERN CONFRENCE FINALS.Surely anyone who saw him play in 2011 would havre said that he was on a "path to greatnes".that was until injuries caught up with him.he then slowly declined not able to play as he used to,reducing him to an average player.thus the " windy city assassin" fell.

If he retired today do u think he would be considered a great player.no we will have many players ranked ahead of him like wade,bosh,Peirce,allen,t-mac and so on all of whom never won mvps.

Same for kawhi ,KAWHI is a promising player with a bright future,a legitimate top 6 player in d league right now.if he is consistent he will definitely become a great player.but if he were to retire now or anything like injury happens,his achievements RIGHT NOW are not enough to classify him as a great player. FOR NOW he is only a good player.

But curry on the other hand has done ENOUGH to classify him as a great player as at NOW.i dont need to list out his acheivments im sure u know.

Roland17:


Now you are arguing out of context and away from the topic you created. In which world would glass footed Derrick Rose be considered great? This is not an argument about Curry, rather, this is an argument about Kawahi's greatness and superstar level in the NBA. Stop construing both.

Calling Kawahi promising obviously tells me how much basketball you have watched, however, I will continue to give you a benefit of a doubt. A player with all the records I posted in the league, is a promising player? Kawahi gets the rafters if his career ends today, it's not even up for a debate in San Antonio. A franchise player with whom many team executives would build a franchise around is a pro'isimg player. My guy argue well o.

Do you even understand the meaning of promising? Promising players are KAT(Timberwoves), C.J McCollum(Trailblazers), J. Embiid( Sixers).

Ersan:


Why do you lot keep singling out Charles Barkley? What about everyone else? LMAO! You'd have to apply adhominem to a lot of people to pass your argument.

Roland17:
Let me help you here because you are basically running everywhere..From D.Rose, to Iggy and now using PROBABLY to describe Ginobli and Parkers greatness..I was really cracking up, after all, opinions are subjective.

At 26 and in only his 6th season, Kawahi is ranked 9th ALL TIME in scoring, 8th ALL TIME in steals, 7th ALL TIME in 3 points made, 10th ALL TIME in points made from the freethrow.. Kid is already ranked in the top 10 ALL TIME Spur on every list, ahead of the likes of Gilmore, Avery Johnson, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Dennis Rodman, many of whom have their jerseys hanging on the rafters.

It is funny how you want to regard the stats of other players, however, disregard the achievement of Kawahi. It questions your ability to be objective in argument.

If Kawahi retires today, his Jersey is hitting the rafters at the AT&T center, no questions asked.

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Here you go....

BTW MJ also said Kawhi is probably the best in the NBA.
You're the dumbest fan I've ever seen

Lolawilliams brings up better arguments than you
Mizzzbeee who's been AWOL brings up better arguments than you
A newbie that believes Kobe played for Philadelphia 76ers would argue better than you...

Don't quote me again, OKPO!!!!