BlueAngel444:


The much recorded about Adam doesn't state much of what he did not do, not to talk of how he felt.
The only interaction Adam had with God was on a defensive note like one would speak to a powerful friend and then God made him garments of skin.


But did Adam worship God, don't thick so, in fact it was Seth his son who during His time began to call upon the Lord.


Cain was the one who began worship because he brought the first sacrifice to adore and seek God's favor

So you do not think adam had reverence for God... I'll let your point be, I won't want to make an argument from silence.

Ubenedictus:


Or the pillar and bulwark of truth, on whom has been bestowed the spirit. The Catholic Church established by Jesus.

I trust you that you will equate or even exalt your church tradition over the author of the Truth Himself.

Ubenedictus:



So you do not think adam had reverence for God... I'll let your point be, I won't want to make an argument from silence.

What you or I think is not important, how do you know Adam's name if not for what was recorded. Let's stop assuming and stick with facts

Ubenedictus:


Or the pillar and bulwark of truth, on whom has been bestowed the spirit. The Catholic Church established by Jesus.

It depends on what "spirit" you are talking about.

OLAADEGBU:


I trust you that you will equate or even exalt your church tradition over the author of the Truth Himself.

the Church is Christ''s and Christ own the Church, he shed his blood for her and gave her the Holy Spirit and promised her his perpetual presence.


It is Jesus who Paralleled the Church with Himself when he asked saul '' why are you persecuting me''. The church is the body of Christ and Christ is her head ..
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That is fact, it is the Church Christ established that scriptures speak about not your manmade enterprise.

OLAADEGBU:


It depends on what "spirit" you are talking about.

I am not surprised you are ignorant of the spirit Christ gave his Church, I wonder what your endtime churches teach you if you are so ignorant.

For the avoidance of doubt the Holy Spirit, the spirit of truth is what is given to the Church.

BlueAngel444:


What you or I think is not important, how do you know Adam's name if not for what was recorded. Let's stop assuming and stick with facts

as I earlier said, I won't debate that point, you do not believe that adam acknowledged his creator because it isn't explicitly written, I think he had a good relationship with his creator before the fall and acknowledged him... Neither is explicitly written so i won't argue it with you so as not to make an argument from silence.

Ubenedictus:


the Church is Christ''s and Christ own the Church, he shed his blood for her and gave her the Holy Spirit and promised her his perpetual presence.


It is Jesus who Paralleled the Church with Himself when he asked saul '' why are you persecuting me''. The church is the body of Christ and Christ is her head ..
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That is fact, it is the Church Christ established that scriptures speak about not your manmade enterprise.

But you still place your church tradition above the word of God. This is what Jesus said in response to the Scribes and Pharisees who would not let His people go:

"Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandments of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And He said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition...Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye" (Mark 7:5-9, 13).

The Church is not a building nor is it a denomination, it is the assembly of people who have been called out from worldly systems, traditions and organisations such as yours and have been washed by the blood of the lamb.

Ubenedictus:


I am not surprised you are ignorant of the spirit Christ gave his Church, I wonder what your endtime churches teach you if you are so ignorant.

For the avoidance of doubt the Holy Spirit, the spirit of truth is what is given to the Church.

"But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name. Which were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13).

There is only one universal catholic Church and that is the body of Christ. You can only be born into this Church by the will of God not the will of man, hence the need of the Holy Spirit who brings about the new birth.

OLAADEGBU:


But you still place your church tradition above the word of God. This is what Jesus said in response to the Scribes and Pharisees who would not let His people go:

"Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandments of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And He said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition...Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye" (Mark 7:5-9, 13).

The Church is not a building nor is it a denomination, it is the assembly of people who have been called out from worldly systems, traditions and organisations such as yours and have been washed by the blood of the lamb.

your quote is non sequitur sorry, no Catholic is stu.pid enough to place church traditions above the deposit of faith.


and yes, the church is the assembly of people called out of the world and washed by the blood of the Lamb having been given a new birth.
BUT, more so
it was built by Christ himself with the apostles as foundation, they too were empowered to ordain new ministers.... if your so-called assembly do not bear this trait,if your ministers are not successors of the apostles...then they lack legitimacy and your assembly is certainly not the one Christ established. you are only deluding yourself

OLAADEGBU:


"But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name. Which were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13).

There is only one universal catholic Church and that is the body of Christ. You can only be born into this Church by the will of God not the will of man, hence the need of the Holy Spirit who brings about the new birth.

and this one Catholic church is established by Christ on the apostles...

Ubenedictus:


your quote is non sequitur sorry, no Catholic is stu.pid enough to place church traditions above the deposit of faith.

At least you place your church tradition on the same level if not above the inspired Word of God, no?

Ubenedictus:


and yes, the church is the assembly of people called out of the world and washed by the blood of the Lamb having been given a new birth.
BUT, more so
it was built by Christ himself with the apostles as foundation, they too were empowered to ordain new ministers.... if your so-called assembly do not bear this trait,if your ministers are not successors of the apostles...then they lack legitimacy and your assembly is certainly not the one Christ established. you are only deluding yourself

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 3:11)

Jesus Christ is the foundation not the apostles and there is nothing like the apostolic succession, if you say there is prove it scripturally.

OLAADEGBU:


At least you place your church tradition on the same level if not above the inspired Word of God, no?



"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 3:11)

Jesus Christ is the foundation not the apostles and there is nothing like the apostolic succession, if you say there is prove it scripturally.

this happens when people don't read the complete Bible but go about shouting what their pastor said.


New Living Translation
Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.

eph 2:20



the Church is built on the foundation of the apostles and Christ is a the chief corner stone

next time try not to contradict the Bible .

the apostles themselves appointed and ordained successors, who are you then to claim there is no apostolic succession?

Ubenedictus:



this happens when people don't read the complete Bible but go about shouting what their pastor said.


New Living Translation
Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.

eph 2:20

There is no contradiction in the Scriptures, but it seem so when you read and quote it out of context. The verses I quoted below explains on what we should build the foundation of our faith.

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it" (Matthew 7:24-27).

We can see here the parable of two types of foundations. The rock there stands for foundation and Jesus said the Words that He says is the foundation (rock), not Peter as you have been erroneously taught.

Ubenedictus:


the Church is built on the foundation of the apostles and Christ is a the chief corner stone

next time try not to contradict the Bible .

the apostles themselves appointed and ordained successors, who are you then to claim there is no apostolic succession?

The revelation of the Word of God that Peter and the rest of the Apostles received came from God and not by themselves and the last revelation was given to John in the book of revelation and this is why the apocrypha is not included in the revealed inspired Word of God. Our faith can only be built on the Word of God which is Jesus Christ. No other apostles were appointed apart from those appointed directly by our Lord Jesus Christ as therefore, there is no apostolic succession as you have been led to believe.

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Didov1:


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OLAADEGBU:

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OLAADEGBU:


There is no contradiction in the Scriptures, but it seem so when you read and quote it out of context. The verses I quoted below explains on what we should build the foundation of our faith.

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it" (Matthew 7:24-27).

We can see here the parable of two types of foundations. The rock there stands for foundation and Jesus said the Words that He says is the foundation (rock), not Peter as you have been erroneously taught.



The revelation of the Word of God that Peter and the rest of the Apostles received came from God and not by themselves and the last revelation was given to John in the book of revelation and this is why the apocrypha is not included in the revealed inspired Word of God. Our faith can only be built on the Word of God which is Jesus Christ. No other apostles were appointed apart from those appointed directly by our Lord Jesus Christ as therefore, there is no apostolic succession as you have been led to believe.

keep arguing, this is what scriptures say.



Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:


keep arguing, this is what scriptures say.



Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Without Jesus who is the Word the apostles could not build anything. It was the revelation of the Word that the disciples received is what is used in building the Church and the gates of hell cannot prevail against it. If the foundation was the person of Peter or any of the apostles the Church would have been defeated long ago. The reason why you get lost is because you believe in the succession of the apostles continues in your church leadership. The last revelation of the Word of God was given to John in the book of revelation and after him there was no other one.

OLAADEGBU:


Without Jesus who is the Word the apostles could not build anything. It was the revelation of the Word that the disciples received is what is used in building the Church and the gates of hell cannot prevail against it. If the foundation was the person of Peter or any of the apostles the Church would have been defeated long ago. The reason why you get lost is because you believe in the succession of the apostles continues in your church leadership. The last revelation of the Word of God was given to John in the book of revelation and after him there was no other one.

Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:


Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand, all other ground is sinking sand.

OLAADEGBU:


On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand, all other ground is sinking sand.

Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:


Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

Jesus is the Rock and my strong foundation.

OLAADEGBU:

Jesus is the Rock and my strong foundation.

you can keep all your cartoons, this is what scriptures say.

Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself. eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:


you can keep all your cartoons, this is what scriptures say.


Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20

The reason your foundation is on sinking sand is because you built your house on Apostle Peter not on Christ the solid Rock.

OLAADEGBU:


The reason your foundation is on sinking sand is because you built your house on Apostle Peter not on Christ the solid Rock.

Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20



I see you don't follow scriptures, you prefer cartoons. I'll stick with what scriptures say

Ubenedictus:


Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.
eph 2:20



I see you don't follow scriptures, you prefer cartoons. I'll stick with what scriptures say

"And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision" (Galatians 2:9).

Is your faith now based on Scriptures alone? The apostles are the pillars while Christ is the Rock on which they stand.

OLAADEGBU:


"And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision" (Galatians 2:9).

Is your faith now based on Scriptures alone? The apostles are the pillars while Christ is the Rock on which they stand.

Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the
prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus
himself.
eph 2:20

Ubenedictus:


Together, we are his house, built on the
foundation of the apostles and the
prophets.
And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus
himself.
eph 2:20

Where do you place the successive popes in all these?

OLAADEGBU:


Where do you place the successive popes in all these?

when the apostles left they appointed and ordained bishops to continue their ministry. the bishops in general and the pope in particular are successors of the apostles

Ubenedictus:


when the apostles left they appointed and ordained bishops to continue their ministry. the bishops in general and the pope in particular are successors of the apostles

Apostolic succession is a lie from the pit of hell. There is no where in the Bible that teaches apostolic succession. See the link below for details.

https://www.gotquestions.org/apostolic-succession.html