EgunMogaji:


Thanks for sharing your findings.

This is what this thread is exactly all about.

Thank you sir... been bragging to my client about this all week long... it's just a shame that this is really happening around us.. I told them that they should at least go after the distributor and sanction them but it seem they are not even interested

twinskenny:

Unfortunately they themselves don't trust there distributor that's the question here..

TRUE. But don't get your supply from the Distributors... get it directly from the factory. Only pay their agent/distributor.
God save us in Nigeria o. Fake materials everywhere...

Hajji M.

twinskenny:


Thank you sir... been bragging to my client about this all week long... it's just a shame that this is really happening around us.. I told them that they should at least go after the distributor and sanction them but it seem they are not even interested

1) The distributor himself may not know.

2) In my case my electrician took me to the sellers shop. I used my best knowledge to decide if honesty was being practiced. I can’t go back and complain.

3) Time is money. Your client may be focused on making bigger money than be embattled with this. Besides the factory said it’s okay.

Here, it’s the factory and LEO that would go after the distributor. And they would.

What is the best family property N8m can buy in a safe guarded compound in PH?

GenBuhari:
What is the best family property N8m can buy in a safe guarded compound in PH?

do you mean a virgin land ?

Already built accommodation.

dearpiriye:
do you mean a virgin land ?

twinskenny:
Today I went to Coleman office with two types of 4mm cable...and they claimed both are not there's one is single strand the other has multiple strands.. how can we eliminate this confusion They claimed the conductor is okay but just had there imprint..

That was why i bought directly from their office. I couldn't buy 4mm and 16mm because i needed in meter quantities.

They told me if you want to be sure its Coleman, there is a specific weight.

I want to buy 16mm recline, i got the quote but am not sure its for the 4 core that i want. I will definitely not buy outside.

spyder880:


Very true, they mix anything they like and sell to unsuspecting users. I heard they mix the used oil, kerosene and add powdered camphor to get that disinfectant smell.

There is no literature that even remotely suggests the use of carbon black found in bad engine oil for treatment of wood against termites.
The engine oil itself and kerosene wasn't considered due to their volatile nature.
The mixture may be effective for a limited period whilst the engine oil is still present in the wood but it definitely isn't feasible for an extended period of time.
However, boron compounds like borax or boric acid salts, both soluble white crystalline salts can be used effectively. There is a general consensus about its effectiveness.
The only limitation is that they can easily leach out when in contact with moisture. since it's going to be covered by roof, it would work unless the treated wood is left in rain.
A 1.5kg salt can be mixed in 10 litres water to give a 15% solution. it would partially dissolve but when heated to boiling, the solubility increases and it dissolves fully.
It's best to brush it over the wood in this hot state very generously so that much is absorbed deep into the wood.
When the temperature falls, it forms the crystals back, but by then, it's already inside the wood.
The borax messes up with the metabolism of the termites and they starve to death.
small batches can be mixed at the point of application by mixing in metallic 4 litres gallon.

twinskenny:
Today I went to Coleman office with two types of 4mm cable...and they claimed both are not there's one is single strand the other has multiple strands.. how can we eliminate this confusion They claimed the conductor is okay but just had there imprint..

started a reply on my phone, however this requires more detail

there are multiple types of cables based on application and installation conditions

cables are either copper or aluminum

they can be bare , sheathed, heavy sheathed or armoured

they can be single core or multicore

they can be flat cable, round cable, bunched cable

these are links to colemans website

http://www.colemancables.com/products/category/18/

http://www.colemancables.com/products/category/21/

a single core cable can be solid conductor or stranded. solid conductor is what is typically used for wiring houses, however, installers prefer flexible/stranded cable for connecting indoor and outdoor air conditioners

this is actually how i stumbled on coleman. for years all the ac installs i was involved in used some dodgy chinko/aba flex cable. at that point i did not know there was an alternative available locally, then we started having fires in the office with the acs as the point of origin. one of teh resolutions was to find a certifble cable as a replacement.i looked and i found coleman. we replaced all the chinko flex cables with coleman, and the fires stopped.

http://www.colemancables.com/products/catalogue/

you can also download their catalogues for further information

some simple examples of applications
solid single core cable is used for house wiring, stranded single core is used for panel wiring
flat multicore cable is used for surface wiring, round multicobe cable is used in conduits and trunking
bare aluminum cable is used for overhead lt lines, bunched [recline] cable is used in areas where the cable may come in contact with structures

bottom line, there is stranded and solid core 4mm cable. what do you intend to do with the cable?

also, you measure the diameter of the entire core, not single strands

oyb:


started a reply on my phone, however this requires more detail

there are multiple types of cables based on application and installation conditions

cables are either copper or aluminum

they can be bare , sheathed, heavy sheathed or armoured

they can be single core or multicore

they can be flat cable, round cable, bunched cable

these are links to colemans website

http://www.colemancables.com/products/category/18/

http://www.colemancables.com/products/category/21/

a single core cable can be solid conductor or stranded. solid conductor is what is typically used for wiring houses, however, installers prefer flexible/stranded cable for connecting indoor and outdoor air conditioners

this is actually how i stumbled on coleman. for years all the ac installs i was involved in used some dodgy chinko/aba flex cable. at that point i did not know there was an alternative available locally, then we started having fires in the office with the acs as the point of origin. one of teh resolutions was to find a certifble cable as a replacement.i looked and i found coleman. we replaced all the chinko flex cables with coleman, and the fires stopped.

http://www.colemancables.com/products/catalogue/

you can also download their catalogues for further information

some simple examples of applications
solid single core cable is used for house wiring, stranded single core is used for panel wiring
flat multicore cable is used for surface wiring, round multicobe cable is used in conduits and trunking
bare aluminum cable is used for overhead lt lines, bunched [recline] cable is used in areas where the cable may come in contact with structures

bottom line, there is stranded and solid core 4mm cable. what do you intend to do with the cable?

also, you measure the diameter of the entire core, not single strands

thank you very much boss this is much detailed
i am actually used to the solid 4mm not the strands type..

they claimed they stop producting that some two years back.. i was surprised. now the issue is not that the cable bought is not good but they claimed its not from there factory according to there meter reading or so to say

another thign is they are angry because the client requested a quote from them some few months back and he refused to buy directly from them..
something is not right here.. you have a distributor with some price leverage yet u will sell directly to client at higher price from your office..

they keep saying next time i should buy from them direclty i still dont get it.. if they want to sell directly to client why do they have distributor then>


i have to do a through test on the cable bought which has already been installed to be sure we are on a safer side.

Nigeria i hail theee

adanny01:


That was why i bought directly from their office. I couldn't buy 4mm and 16mm because i needed in meter quantities.

They told me if you want to be sure its Coleman, there is a specific weight.

I want to buy 16mm recline, i got the quote but am not sure its for the 4 core that i want. I will definitely not buy outside.

the thing is that they were not 100 percent sure.. the sales guy keep saying this is close to our cable thats is close to our cable i dont understand.. the sample they have in there office look the same with the one i brought.. and they confirmed from imprint label that they actually signed those cable out.. is there somthing i am missing here>>>??

twinskenny:


thank you very much boss this is much detailed
i am actually used to the solid 4mm not the strands type..

they claimed they stop producting that some two years back.. i was surprised. now the issue is not that the cable bought is not good but they claimed its not from there factory according to there meter reading or so to say

another thign is they are angry because the client requested a quote from them some few months back and he refused to buy directly from them..
something is not right here.. you have a distributor with some price leverage yet u will sell directly to client at higher price from your office..

they keep saying next time i should buy from them direclty i still dont get it.. if they want to sell directly to client why do they have distributor then>


i have to do a through test on the cable bought which has already been installed to be sure we are on a safer side.

Nigeria i hail theee

you can also check for distributors on their website

gbadexy:

There is no literature that even remotely suggests the use of carbon black found in bad engine oil for treatment of wood against termites.
The engine oil itself and kerosene wasn't considered due to their volatile nature.
The mixture may be effective for a limited period whilst the engine oil is still present in the wood but it definitely isn't feasible for an extended period of time.
However, boron compounds like borax or boric acid salts, both soluble white crystalline salts can be used effectively. There is a general consensus about its effectiveness.
The only limitation is that they can easily leach out when in contact with moisture. since it's going to be covered by roof, it would work unless the treated wood is left in rain.
A 1.5kg salt can be mixed in 10 litres water to give a 15% solution. it would partially dissolve but when heated to boiling, the solubility increases and it dissolves fully.
It's best to brush it over the wood in this hot state very generously so that much is absorbed deep into the wood.
When the temperature falls, it forms the crystals back, but by then, it's already inside the wood.
The borax messes up with the metabolism of the termites and they starve to death.
small batches can be mixed at the point of application by mixing in metallic 4 litres gallon.

correct and prefect

kelly27:
Good day everyone, please I need help. I'm seriously questioning the quotation given to me by my engineer. He was the one that got the building to this stage. I asked for roofing wood work quotation (without roofing sheets yet), I was given a bill of over 700k with labour inclusive at 350k.

Please the experts should help me scrutinise this. I think it's outrageous especially the labour cost.

What do you think is the appropriate bill for this project?

I will appreciate as many responses as possible. Thanks

so you mean plus labour and wood work total is N700k plus N350k which is N1, 050, 000 or N700k for both workmanship and wood carcass

https://www.nairaland.com/3917545/promo-urban-base-estate-estate

Invest in Land.
Buy a land with a Governor's Consent at #6.5million
Just invest the money and sell the same land for 20m in 2 to 3 years time.

Lol, it is interesting that this subject has resurfaced.
I made the below posts exactly three months ago Today.
They seemed like mere rhetorics at the time. But now I'm guessing different.

allCopacetic:


Lol, @ bolded . A more appropriate term would be "Dubious Importers"

I'm an "Ibo guy" too. But it goes without saying, the standard of merchandise I put out.

80% of other key distributors for local brands​ are also Ibo by the way.

People just need to source wisely and ascertain the genuity of their source. Not everybody with a shop full of cables is an "Appointed Distributor" .
Buying from an "appointed" distributor might also not give you 100% immunity, but it is your surest bet in an open market.

allCopacetic:

Just like there is no guarantee that every acclaimed Man of God is righteous.
There will be a handful of distributors that will play on both teams, especially if your "Aroro" is too much or your pricing is unrealistic.
Rather than loose the business, they might sell you clones, because they figure that's what you're gonna end up buying at that price anyways. especially where very large volumes are concerned.

There is a saying .."Frog wey never enter hot water, no go know say na two types of water dey.

I often keep quiet when i see folks brandishing prices from "dealers" or chasing bargains , sometimes with insignificant differences ...at the expense of quality assurance .

It is not sensible to buy without a reasonable amount of cost consideration and bargaining... I'm a consumer too, and i speak from that perspective aswell.
But in the same vein First and foremost, and above all else, Ascertain and prioritize the integrity of the Merchandise, AND!!! the Seller, before you even factor or pay any attention to price. Because no matter how cheap or expensive the merchandise is, if there is a problem with the aforementioned two, then you're at a Loss either way.
Again this doesn't just apply to Cables, it applies to alot of things. two identical looking items can be poles apart in value and quality. The question is can you tell the difference.

Like I am wont to Say.... We have a very unique market and as such should apply a unique approach to buying. There are a handful of honest sellers out there, but thier prices are hardly every the cheapest.

Sometimes, When you talk about things you see and experience on a DAILY basis, somebody who shops two , three times a year can come and define what is and isn't. But then, what do I know

..

twinskenny:


another thign is they are angry because the client requested a quote from them some few months back and he refused to buy directly from them..


something is not right here.. you have a distributor with some price leverage yet u will sell directly to client at higher price from your office..

Because there is a certain thing called a Distribution Chain in every industry my brother.

If an individual or organisation makes the effort to fulfill the below requirements , after going into contractual agreement with you, you cannot in turn sabotage his/its interests.

It would be nice if you told us where you or your client bought these cables from though. That's part of the problem with bargain hunting

allCopacetic:
Lol, it is interesting that this subject has resurfaced.
I made the below posts exactly three months ago Today.
They seemed like mere rhetorics at the time. But now I'm guessing different.





There is a saying .."Frog wey never enter hot water, no go know say na two types of water dey.

I often keep quiet when i see folks brandishing prices from "dealers" or chasing bargains , sometimes with insignificant differences ...at the expense of quality assurance .

It is not sensible to buy without a reasonable amount of cost consideration and bargaining... I'm a consumer too, and i speak from that perspective aswell.
But in the same vein First and foremost, and above all else, Ascertain and prioritize the integrity of the Merchandise, AND!!! the Seller, before you even factor or pay any attention to price. Because no matter how cheap or expensive the merchandise is, if there is a problem with the aforementioned two, then you're at a Loss either way.
Again this doesn't just apply to Cables, it applies to alot of things. two identical looking items can be poles apart in value and quality. The question is can you tell the difference.

Like I am wont to Say.... We have a very unique market and as such should apply a unique approach to buying. There are a handful of honest sellers out there, but thier prices are hardly every the cheapest.

Sometimes, When you talk about things you see and experience on a DAILY basis, somebody who shops two , three times a year can come and define what is and isn't. But then, what do I know

thanks chief
you know i called u sometime to confirm some figures from you..

.. the thing is coleman cannot even trust most of there distributor which still baffle me sir.. when i told them the prices i paid for those items they claimed its was actually fare prices
and by them checking on the signature on the label they knew its one of there accredited distributor, cause someone from there factory signed the label which they confirmed ... now my question is why are they forcing people to buy from them direclty? i dont get it
whats the function of a distributor then

if we cannot trust your distriburtor are they now saying we should all line up at there factory to purchase cables?

below are the prices

1.5mm 7800 the sell 8750
2.5mm 12800 i believe they sell 14k there about
4mm 22,000 they sell like 23750
10mm 51k
16mm 78k

The Nigerian marketplace is interesting.

Consumers are blamed for “bargain hunting” and they are to be blamed for criminal sellers d that market fake products,

Some things I read and I just shake my head in wonder.

Amazon just caused Toys R Us to declare bankruptcy. I guess Amazon sellers are morally unsound for choosing to buy the same product for less at Amazon instead of at Toys R Us.

Fake products should never be on the market.

Why does this post of mine reads like dejavu?

HsLBroker:
so you mean plus labour and wood work total is N700k plus N350k which is N1, 050, 000 or N700k for both workmanship and wood carcass

Workmanship is at 350k and materials 368k.

back2sender:
Does anyone in the house especially Lagos Nairalanders know the steps in acquiring Street names?
How much does one have to budget for this and please breakdown the cost to a Cost center if possible.
I am planning to meet the LG people but i want to have an idea before entering a discussion with them to enable me get informed and not act as a novice during the meeting.
Thanks all in advance for your contributions

Please who has experienced this before or has knowledge about it, Kindly help out.
Thanks

twinskenny:
thanks chief
you know i called u sometime to confirm some figures from you..

.. the thing is coleman cannot even trust most of there distributor which still baffle me sir.. when i told them the prices i paid for those items they claimed its was actually fare prices
and by them checking on the signature on the label they knew its one of there accredited distributor, cause someone from there factory signed the label which they confirmed ... now my question is why are they forcing people to buy from them direclty? i dont get it
whats the function of a distributor then

if we cannot trust your distriburtor are they now saying we should all line up at there factory to purchase cables?

below are the prices

1.5mm 7800 the sell 8750
2.5mm 12800 i believe they sell 14k there about
4mm 22,000 they sell like 23750
10mm 51k
16mm 78k

some manufacturers are now very very careful who they engage as distributors because the scam is simple - get registered as a distributor, get the letter for the customers, then run off to chin to make fakes that would be sold at market price.ABB suffered this big time.

EgunMogaji:
The Nigerian marketplace is interesting.

Consumers are blamed for “bargain hunting” and they are to be blamed for criminal sellers d that market fake products,

Some things I read and I just shake my head in wonder.

Amazon just caused Toys R Us to declare bankruptcy. I guess Amazon sellers are morally unsound for choosing to buy the same product for less at Amazon instead of at Toys R Us.

Fake products should never be on the market.

Why does this post of mine reads like dejavu?

its a fking jungle and you can trust almost no one. double check , triple check

8 years ago i was at lg main warehouse in apapa to buy a home theatre. they gave me the box. i was ready to leave, then i stopped and said they should open it, and lo and behold, it was a used home theatre inside the box. if i had left the shop it would have been another story. and you never can tell just how far these scams go. is it some workers; are the workers doing what their ogas have been doing and so on and so forth.

back2sender:

Please who has experienced this before or has knowledge about it, Kindly help out.
Thanks

for my area here a bottle of schnap and some 30k for the baale u can name your street

this is ogun state jungle though

twinskenny:


the thing is that they were not 100 percent sure.. the sales guy keep saying this is close to our cable thats is close to our cable i dont understand.. the sample they have in there office look the same with the one i brought.. and they confirmed from imprint label that they actually signed those cable out.. is there somthing i am missing here>>>??

They should have checked weight as well.

An immitation could have same diameter, original label and packaging but will never be same weight if its not 100% copper. It will be pointless for anybody to immitate a product with the same quality. Weight is the best quality confirmation test for copper wire.

back2sender:

Please who has experienced this before or has knowledge about it, Kindly help out.
Thanks

I walked into the local government area, town planning section. They told me to leave and they will come and have a look at the street. The check was to ensure it had not been allocated before to a different person. Then they called me to confirm I can come and pay N85k for the approval. I also wrote an application for the allocation of a street name to the officials. I waited a week before they agreed their Oga had signed for me to make the naming authentic. I paid another 8k or so to enable them buy paints and work on the welded name plate. They painted it themselves and wrote "approved by xyz local government"

They gave me a laminated signed certificate to keep. They also used their hand to write the street name on about 6 houses ,on walls and gates. They gave numbers, number 1 to number 6. And that is how I came to live at number 1 Akwusi anuba ogu street (translation of my street name means, stop in this street and we give you a beating)

Oh, and another 5k for their transportation back to office.

oyb:


some manufacturers are now very very careful who they engage as distributors because the scam is simple - get registered as a distributor, get the letter for the customers, then run off to chin to make fakes that would be sold at market price.ABB suffered this big time.



its a fking jungle and you can trust almost no one. double check , triple check

8 years ago i was at lg main warehouse in apapa to buy a home theatre. they gave me the box. i was ready to leave, then i stopped and said they should open it, and lo and behold, it was a used home theatre inside the box. if i had left the shop it would have been another story. and you never can tell just how far these scams go. is it some workers; are the workers doing what their ogas have been doing and so on and so forth.

Everyone of us will keep complaining, when authorities are effectively enforcing the laws The same people will turn it to became political. How long can we continue these way. An average Nigerian will go any part of the world obey their laws, when they return home right from the airport they will start jumping line. Imagine that. I was listening to TVC news calling in program two days ago, when someone called in complaing about Lagos state government moving bus terminal from Jibowu to Ojota where I believe they have more space. How can a country develop if may of it citizens are narrow thinker, that only care about how he or she get rich anyhow overnight.

spyder880:


I walked into the local government area, town planning section. They told me to leave and they will come and have a look at the street. The check was to ensure it had not been allocated before to a different person. Then they called me to confirm I can come and pay N85k for the approval. I waited a week before they agreed their Oga had signed for me to make the naming authentic. I paid another 8k or so to enable them buy paints and work on the welded name plate. They painted it themselves and wrote "approved by xyz local government"

They gave me a laminated signed certificate to keep. They also used their hand to write the street name on about 6 houses ,on walls and gates. They gave numbers, number 1 to number 6. And that is how I came to live at number 1 Akwusi anuba ogu street (translation of my street name means, stop in this street and we give you a beating)

Oh, and another 5k for their transportation back to office.

I really miss your stories, Sir

How you used to take us along with you as you shop for materials, etc and point out pitfalls we could encounter as we build our own houses.

How are the estates you developed? Are they matured now very well?

spyder880:


I walked into the local government area, town planning section. They told me to leave and they will come and have a look at the street. The check was to ensure it had not been allocated before to a different person. Then they called me to confirm I can come and pay N85k for the approval. I waited a week before they agreed their Oga had signed for me to make the naming authentic. I paid another 8k or so to enable them buy paints and work on the welded name plate. They painted it themselves and wrote "approved by xyz local government"

They gave me a laminated signed certificate to keep. They also used their hand to write the street name on about 6 houses ,on walls and gates. They gave numbers, number 1 to number 6. And that is how I came to live at number 1 Akwusi anuba ogu street (translation of my street name means, stop in this street and we give you a beating)

Oh, and another 5k for their transportation back to office.

@spyder880, these most be a jake abi. I mean the name of your Street. Street names processing in Lagos State is not a joke, especially charging name. it's little easier in newly opened up areas.

gbadexy:
I doubt either engine oil or kerosene are carcinogens or cancer causing agents. If hydrocarbons were carcinogens, majority of the world population would have cancer and all those that worked in oil rigs, depots and filling stations would be dead before they retired.
Besides, anything volatile would rise to the surface upwards warm air.
commercial grade wood protection products contain ethyl glycol that are much more toxic to humans.

Where have you been, you this man?

kelly27:


Workmanship is at 350k and materials 368k.

the workmanship should not be more than 150/170k for this project

gbadexy:

There is no literature that even remotely suggests the use of carbon black found in bad engine oil for treatment of wood against termites.
The engine oil itself and kerosene wasn't considered due to their volatile nature.
The mixture may be effective for a limited period whilst the engine oil is still present in the wood but it definitely isn't feasible for an extended period of time.
However, boron compounds like borax or boric acid salts, both soluble white crystalline salts can be used effectively. There is a general consensus about its effectiveness.
The only limitation is that they can easily leach out when in contact with moisture. since it's going to be covered by roof, it would work unless the treated wood is left in rain.
A 1.5kg salt can be mixed in 10 litres water to give a 15% solution. it would partially dissolve but when heated to boiling, the solubility increases and it dissolves fully.
It's best to brush it over the wood in this hot state very generously so that much is absorbed deep into the wood.
When the temperature falls, it forms the crystals back, but by then, it's already inside the wood.
The borax messes up with the metabolism of the termites and they starve to death.
small batches can be mixed at the point of application by mixing in metallic 4 litres gallon.

I really love this idea of yours.
What is the street name of these boron, borax or boric acid salts?
Where can one buy them off the shelf?

Thank you for the brilliant contributions you make, especially when it comes to paints, you are a cut above the rest.