magoo10:
When will these old men that have failed nigeria die and leave the younger generations to their fate, even at old age these men have nothing meaningful to offer after plunging the nation into a senseless war borne out of greed and hatred.

Biafra is my identity

And do you have to blame this old men if not those unfortunate young journalist that put microphone to their mouth
Awon oloriburuku

A big dollar getting senile. A sad part of Nigeria's history. You were part of Nigeria's problem. Biko, where's your "Nigeria Prays" ? Hausa-fulani slave

logica:
Mr Sky-high IQ; "restructuring" which I take to mean adoption of a true federal system and weakened center will solve the problem of state governments dependency on revenue sharing. That should be a start, as it is obvious that the problems you listed are exacerbated by the system of revenue sharing with an extremely strong center and weak/lazy states.

so wat u have is rich states like lagos,ogun, PH and delta having more money to loot, and states like zamfara kogi etc having no money ( or they harness their resources). will it stop looting, inflation of contract, bribery, tribalism and nepotism no. the same set of mofos (govs,senators,APC, PDP) will still be in charge. absolutely changes nothin. Tinubu was forced to grow IGR after his clash with OBJ , increased the IGR fine, but set up a company ALPHA BETA to collect IGR for Lagos state, Alpha BEta pockets 10% of Lagos IGR monthly and no one is talking about it. bros restructuring is another gimmick like change

seguno2:


The constitution has provisions for amendments that will effectively restructure our country.

Guy, there are sections of the constitution that are almost impossible to touch. The structure of Nigeria is one. That is the area needed to do the kind of restructuring bandied around.

You know for a fact they couldnt add LGAs so restruction is as good as impossible.

yeyerolling:
so wat u have is rich states like lagos,ogun, PH and delta having more money to loot, and states like zamfara kogi etc having no money ( or they harness their resources)

Yes. Let them loot if that is what they want.

adanny01:
Guy, there are sections of the constitution that are almost impossible to touch. The structure of Nigeria is one. That is the area needed to do the kind of restructuring bandied around.

You know for a fact they couldnt add LGAs so restruction is as good as impossible.

The glue holding Nigerians together is the Niger Delta oil revenues and Lagos VAT that is shared monthly, which makes it difficult for people to work in their states.

Those who thinks things can't be done should not stay in the way of those who wants to get it done. PERIOD!!!

logica:
Yes. Let them loot if that is what they want.

and that makes u happy I dey the oil state of Nigeria currently. Even with d 13% derivation pple still dey suffer here chai

seguno2:


The glue holding Nigerians together is the Niger Delta oil revenues and Lagos VAT that is shared monthly, which makes it difficult for people to work in their states.

The strength of China as a whole country lays in Beijing and Shanghai.

The strength of USA is New York and Texas.

What is so strange for Nigeria deriving its strength from 2 states?

yeyerolling:
and that makes u happy I dey the oil state of Nigeria currently. Even with d 13% derivation pple still dey suffer here chai

Is there no poverty in Texas with 27 refineries and so many oil wells?

I have lived in the SS, corruption is the major problem. I have seen how oil money is shared by politicians, traditional rulers, rich and privileged ones leaving development to suffer.

No northerner is in charge of NDDC, the Niger Delta Ministry nor the states that receive the 13% derivation. Where does the money go?

When you start asking these questions, you will understand what is happening.

I was almost killed while working on an FG project. People stop work progress on a daily basis. Traditional injuctions are placed on our equipments. We pay higher labour charges than anywhere in the north. The force us using threats to hire unskilled labour in place of skilled labour. Every chief, community leader, youth leader must recieve kickbacks else no work. I almost got fired when a community stopped work for a month and mentioned the issue on tv. The camera was turned off and my interview edited.

The truth is there but you wont accept it.

I have worked same industry in the north and south. In the north, communities and its leaders ask contractors how they can be of help, in the south communities and its leaders ask how can the contractor help them. Meanwhile there is more poverty in the north.

I have seen in the north where a community arranged free accommodation for workers. We work on peoples lands that have not yet received their compensation.

While in the south, the heavily inflated compensation even becomes higher than the contract sum itself. Family members killing themselves and ending up in court for those moneys meanwhile the contract is held up because they wont allow work continue on their land. I have seen fake grave yards, fake builing foundations etc just because a survey is being carried out for a proposed project. I have seen a church recieve a huge compensation far beyond the worth of their property, turn around to build a mighty structure in the same place asking for 2 billion compensation and even going to court.

I can go on and on.

Pa Gowon at this stage, he is told what to say. He is number one government property who determines his being, so his tossed. Come to think of it, i don't no, if i ever hear he made statement about Nigerians been killed by the fulani herdsmen. The killings in his domain, plateau state, i don't think he condemned the terrorist act of raping, maimming and killing there, ofcourse, his managers would not allow him to condemn the evil acts to secure all his benefits. Look at the war story, to me, it is an after thought lies he is asked to say. Having lined up on the street with Green White Green Flag to see your vehicle pass in a great convoy, you have come a long way sir. I plead His grace for you. Pa Gowon, by His grace, you will live long in good health. Amen.

adanny01:


Is there no poverty in Texas with 27 refineries and so many oil wells?

I have lived in the SS, corruption is the major problem. I have seen how oil money is shared by politicians, traditional rulers, rich and privileged ones leaving development to suffer.

No northerner is in charge of NDDC, the Niger Delta Ministry nor the states that receive the 13% derivation. Where does the money go?

When you start asking these questions, you will understand what is happening.

I was almost killed while working on an FG project. People stop work progress on a daily basis. Traditional injuctions are placed on our equipments. We pay higher labour charges than anywhere in the north. The force us using threats to hire unskilled labour in place of skilled labour. Every chief, community leader, youth leader must recieve kickbacks else no work. I almost got fired when a community stopped work for a month and mentioned the issue on tv. The camera was turned off and my interview edited.

The truth is there but you wont accept it.

I have worked same industry in the north and south. In the north, communities and its leaders ask contractors how they can be of help, in the south communities and its leaders ask how can the contractor help them. Meanwhile there is more poverty in the north.

I have seen in the north where a community arranged free accommodation for workers. We work on peoples lands that have not yet received their compensation.

While in the south, the heavily inflated compensation even becomes higher than the contract sum itself. Family members killing themselves and ending up in court for those moneys meanwhile the contract is held up because they wont allow work continue on their land. I have seen fake grave yards, fake builing foundations etc just because a survey is being carried out for a proposed project. I have seen a church recieve a huge compensation far beyond the worth of their property, turn around to build a mighty structure in the same place asking for 2 billion compensation and even going to court.

I can go on and on.

does restructing solve all u listed. I also come to the SS to work, o have seen where an high chief made d community reject a bridge donation. because it wud render his boats useless. I have seen where because a company refuses to use the community boys for thier project. They still pay dem salary and pay high chief cost of tfare(boat). Smh

Can you mobilize peoples and vote out Buhari in 2019?

dannytoe:
You cant restructure when bahuri is still hollding on to 95% Vs 5% myopic and hypocritic ideaology.

yeyerolling:
and that makes u happy I dey the oil state of Nigeria currently. Even with d 13% derivation pple still dey suffer here chai

Yes. Very happy. You too go and generate income and loot it if you so wish. At least I won't have to go to Abuja to reach you.

yeyerolling:
does restructing solve all u listed. I also come to the SS to work, o have seen where an high chief made d community reject a bridge donation. because it wud render his boats useless. I have seen where because a company refuses to use the community boys for thier project. They still pay dem salary and pay high chief cost of tfare(boat). Smh

I am not for restructuring. I support strengthening of anti corruption laws by NASS.

Without corruption, everything will flow as desired, poverty will be eradicated and our differences will vaporize by itself.

adanny01:
The strength of China as a whole country lays in Beijing and Shanghai.

The strength of USA is New York and Texas.

What is so strange for Nigeria deriving its strength from 2 states?

Maybe that is why New York and Texas states are among the states that have the highest electoral college votes.
The USA clearly understands that he who pays the piper dictates the tune.
Those who contribute the most to the federation account should have a greater say in the federal government. Anything else is a recipe for unending disaster.
Why would you want that for our country.

adanny01:
I am not for restructuring. I support strengthening of anti corruption laws by NASS.

Without corruption, everything will flow as desired, poverty will be eradicated and our differences will vaporize by itself.

Is there no corruption in the UK, USA, Canada etc?
Do they have poverty in their country?
I hope that you are not limiting your understanding of corruption to only stealing money?

adanny01:

Without corruption, everything will flow as desired, poverty will be eradicated and our differences will vaporize by itself.

Indeed. Continue to throw scarce resources at an unproductive state like Zamfara with 91% poverty rate and eventually you will run out of resources. Solution? Get productive. Get it?

logica:
Indeed. Continue to throw scarce resources at an unproductive state like Zamfara with 91% poverty rate and eventually you will run out of resources. Solution? Get productive. Get it?

Poverty is widespread in the north. Do they care or complain? No, never.

What do they need to get out of poverty? I'd say 2 things; education and employment.

Do that and poverty as you know it will be gone. It doesn't cost much to privide this.

seguno2:


Is there no corruption in the UK, USA, Canada etc?
Do they have poverty in their country?
I hope that you are not limiting your understanding of corruption to only stealing money?

Corruption in the Uk, USA, Canada etc in comparison to Nigeria, is a job for transparency international.

You dont think they are at same level, do you?

Tell me their numbers in the rating for 2017.

Malabu scandal for example, those who are US citizens got punished, UK recently return $85million but those who are Nigerians are still running around and hoping to be president.

I hope u get the picture.

adanny01:


What do they need to get out of poverty? I'd say 2 things; education and employment.

Do that and poverty as you know it will be gone. It doesn't cost much to privide this.

When there is free money, there is no incentive to grow education and employment. Only a government that is held accountable for revenue generated will think of these.

logica:
When there is free money, there is no incentive to grow education and employment. Only a government that is held accountable for revenue generated will think of these.

There is no accountability when corruption strives.

adanny01:


There is no accountability when corruption strives.

Guy, you have a talent for misdirection. My post clearly makes the point that when you are forced to generate your income, you thereby become accountable. Free money = no accountability. Capisce?

seguno2:


Maybe that is why New York and Texas states are among the states that have the highest electoral college votes.
The USA clearly understands that he who pays the piper dictates the tune.
Those who contribute the most to the federation account should have a greater say in the federal government. Anything else is a recipe for unending disaster.
Why would you want that for our country.

Do you really know why Texas or NY has such high electoral votes? It has nothing to do with the money they contribute to the US State. Pls make ur research.

Look at the screen shots and deduce. Its about population please.

Did you notice the 1st 4 states in both population and electoral votes. They are the same states in the same order. Electoral votes is a ratio of population not financial contributions.

logica:
Guy, you have a talent for redirection. My post clearly makes the point that when you are forced to generate your income, you thereby become accountable. Free money = no accountability. Capisce?

I am bringing you back to my original point. Free money or not, as far as there is corruption, there is no accountability. Its a fact that you should be able to recognize.

Whether you generate your income or get it free, a corrupt system cannot be accoutable.

Accountability is not the problem of Nigeria, corruption is.

Its is said, whenever you are able to identify the problem, the solution isn't far fetched.

Preach accountability all you want, preach restructuring or Biafra all you want, it will never be the problem. The problem is widespread corruption. The solutiom is deal with it else you threat an unknown ailment.

adanny01:
Corruption in the Uk, USA, Canada etc in comparison to Nigeria, is a job for transparency international.

You dont think they are at same level, do you?

Tell me their numbers in the rating for 2017.

Malabu scandal for example, those who are US citizens got punished, UK recently return $85million but those who are Nigerians are still running around and hoping to be president.

I hope u get the picture.

Yes, I get the picture.
There is corruption over there just as there is here.
The oyinbos don’t defend the thieves and corrupt people in their midst because they have resource control unlike sharing federal allocation monthly in Nigeria.
I get it very well.

adanny01:
Do you really know why Texas or NY has such high electoral votes? It has nothing to do with the money they contribute to the US State. Pls make ur research.

Look at the screen shots and deduce. Its about population please.

Did you notice the 1st 4 states in both population and electoral votes. They are the same states in the same order. Electoral votes is a ratio of population not financial contributions.

Firstly there is no evidence in the two images confirming that population is the only basis for electoral votes number. It may be a coincidence or just one of the determinants.
Secondly, have you considered that population is indicative of how much the state contributes to the federal revenues instead of just using it for sharing federal allocation monthly?
Thirdly, do states have greater control over the census in their states compared to our own country where the north controls and distorts the census since population is for sharing federal allocation along with land size?
Can you please explain why Kano state has 44 LGAs, Lagos 20 despite their almost equal 2006 fraudulent census population and Lagos contributes more to the federation account
How can a nation progress in such circumstances?
Any reasonable Nigerian should be concerned and work together for restructuring to unlock each region’s potentials.

seguno2:


Yes, I get the picture.
There is corruption over there just as there is here.
The oyinbos don’t defend the thieves and corrupt people in their midst because they have resource control unlike sharing federal allocation monthly in Nigeria.
I get it very well.

So in essence, federal allocation is not the actual problem, corruption is.

seguno2:


Firstly there is no evidence in the two images confirming that population is the only basis for electoral votes number. It may be a coincidence or just one of the determinants.
Secondly, have you considered that population is indicative of how much the state contributes to the federal revenues instead of just using it for sharing federal allocation monthly?
Thirdly, do states have greater control over the census in their states compared to our own country where the north controls and distorts the census since population is for sharing federal allocation along with land size?
Can you please explain why Kano state has 44 LGAs, Lagos 20 despite their almost equal 2006 fraudulent census population and Lagos contributes more to the federation account
How can a nation progress in such circumstances?
Any reasonable Nigerian should be concerned and work together for restructuring to unlock each region’s potentials.

I hope that instead of arguing you should instead use google a little more.

If 1-4 is a coincidence, how about 1 - 11. Still coincidence?

adanny01:
I hope that instead of arguing you should instead use google a little more.

If 1-4 is a coincidence, how about 1 - 11. Still coincidence?

Thanks for your patience and persistence that has enlightened me on this matter.
It however leaves the issue of inaccurate census that is the basis of revenue allocation in our country.
Restructuring for resource control and greater autonomy of the tribes who want to remain in Nigeria should fix this, don’t you think?

adanny01:


Whether you generate your income or get it free, a corrupt system cannot be accoutable.

Accountability is not the problem of Nigeria, corruption is.

Its is said, whenever you are able to identify the problem, the solution isn't far fetched.

I am glad you made mention of "solution" but it appears even you cannot identify the solution because it is right before you. You keep talking about corruption (never mind that there is corruption in very country in the world, just that in our case it is brazen).

Now, it appears you keep missing the point - when there is accountability, corruption is FORCED to reduce. That is one of the expected results of accountability. It therefore makes your point I put in bold ironic - saying the problem is corruption and not accountability. The question is, how do you reduce corruption?

So for me, it should be in this order:

true federalism (resource control, etc) -> accountability -> reduced corruption.

Just for you to see how difficult to reduce corruption with this current system - take a look at the number of cases being thrown up every week. Presently we are on the Maina episode. A new one will pop up this week. With this system corruption will never reduce. It is simply a basket being filled with water. It actually encourages corruption by its very nature and there is nothing that can be done about that, than to scrap it. So it is actually ironic or oxymoronic to think of keeping this current form of governance and effectively fighting corruption. It will NOT work.

logica:
I am glad you made mention of "solution" but it appears even you cannot identify the solution because it is right before you. You keep talking about corruption (never mind that there is corruption in very country in the world, just that in our case it is brazen).

Now, it appears you keep missing the point - when there is accountability, corruption is FORCED to reduce. That is one of the expected results of accountability. It therefore makes your point I put in bold ironic - saying the problem is corruption and not accountability. The question is, how do you reduce corruption?

So for me, it should be in this order:

true federalism (resource control, etc) -> accountability -> reduced corruption.

Just for you to see how difficult to reduce corruption with this current system - take a look at the number of cases being thrown up every week. Presently we are on the Maina episode. A new one will pop up this week. With this system corruption will never reduce. It is simply a basket being filled with water. It actually encourages corruption by its very nature and there is nothing that can be done about that, than to scrap it. So it is actually ironic or oxymoronic to think of keeping this current form of governance and effectively fighting corruption. It will NOT work.

All i want you to understand is that that which you desire (true federalism) has no place in our constitution. To amend that part of the constitution is not impossible but with the kind of differences we have, it is nearly impossible to achieve.

Accountability is a choice, so is corruption. They are two sides of a coin. If one is up, the other is down. The desired result is to have corruption faced down and accountability up.

I desire that Nigerians should stop counting stars and focus on the best way to work on this constitution.

Buhari was elected on the platform of anti corruption that would have given birth to accountability but so far has failed on that mandate. I have derived a lesson from this, fighting corruption is more of a legislative and judiciary responsibility than executive.

It seems we are in a fix, we cant restructure, our legislators are too corrupt to wake up to their responsibilities, the legal system works for the highest bidder and removing corruption from the executive is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Only a military regime can achieve restructuring, that seems to be the only solution but its not going to happen.