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Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by ProjectNaija(m): 1:04pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
petra1: Is that why Adeboye twisted the parable of the sower in Mark chapter 4 Jesus was talking about sowing the gospel to win believers but Adeboye twisted it to mean sowing money to your G.O(himself) to reap a hundred fold return. If you read the Mark 4:8 (that Adeboye quoted out of context and twisted) in proper context, reading the whole chapter from verse one to twenty were Jesus explained the parable himself, you will realise that adeboye's interpretation is not only false but self serving and fraudulent. 3 Likes |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by CHARLOE(m): 6:41pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
petra1:Don't u think it would b wise to allow redeem defend itself, Mr sheeple? Abi na u write open heavens? 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by paxonel(m): 10:01pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
OK o |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by ProjectNaija(m): 7:07am On Dec 28, 2017 |
CHARLOE: They can't defend themselves as the biblical evidence against their fraudulent teaching is overwhelming. It was this hundred fold return crap that finally convinced me that Adeboye is a fraud. 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by bloodofthelamb(m): 8:07am On Dec 28, 2017 |
OkCornel: You spoke my mind... Stealing in the name of the LORD. 3 Likes |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by MrPristine: 1:42pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
bloodofthelamb: It's really a shame that it's those who are meant to contend for the faith are the ones abusing it by twisting sacred scriptures for personal gain. Yet the bible warned us severally about those who will come to merchandise the gospel. 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by dorox(m): 7:00pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
CHARLOE: This sermon is all about greed and selfishness, it has nothing to do with love for neighbour. Daddy G O Adeboye has outdone the pharisees this time. 3 Likes |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by MrPristine: 8:55am On Dec 31, 2017 |
dorox: The thing tire me oh! Even the Pharisees weren't this bad. 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by paxonel(m): 7:28am On Jan 01, 2018 |
REALTRUTH1:You mean, Tunde Bakare tear into pieces Oyedepo book? That's good news. The revolution has started in the church. I said it, it is only the church that can solve their problems. |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by paxonel(m): 7:31am On Jan 01, 2018 |
CHARLOE:Op, God will bless you for this post o. You are saving so many ignorant Nigerians 2 Likes |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by paxonel(m): 7:49am On Jan 01, 2018 |
CHARLOE:In 2012, I detected a certain error in that same open heaven devotion book, i was in 300 level then in the university. My elder brother stood up and slapped me to the point that my head spinned for saying there was an error in what Daddy adeboye wrote. "who are you, a small boy like you? We were not even members of RCCG we were only using their open heaven booklet for our morning devotion. My parents and everyone began to rebuke me, saying i will suffer,Quoting in the bible what happened to some people who countered Moses, that they had leprosy. But today, that my elder brother has seen reasons with me. Perhaps, he must have gone through the book thoroughly after that encounter 2 Likes |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by CHARLOE(m): 11:22am On Jan 01, 2018 |
petra1:Admin illustration u say? Lol, so d tithe they collect in d name of priest n high priest is an illustrative or literal collection? Stop chasing shadows my friend, free urself from fear n bondage n begin to use ur God-given brain to think! 3 Likes |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by CHARLOE(m): 11:24am On Jan 01, 2018 |
petra1:Admin illustration u say? Lol, so d tithe they collect in d name of priest n high priest is an illustrative or literal collection? Stop chasing shadows my friend, free urself from fear n bondage n begin to use ur God-given brain to think! 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by ProjectNaija(m): 6:49pm On Jan 01, 2018 |
CHARLOE: Abi oh! The way these sheeples cook up stories to defend their gods of men when their lies have been exposed is really nauseating. It proves they know deep within themselves that they know these con men are wrong but they just refuse to come to terms with reality. |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by dorox(m): 8:32pm On Jan 01, 2018 |
CHARLOE: You got it all wrong with Petra. You see, as an aspiring pastor it is his job to make use of his God given brain to think of ways to make people not to think. 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by festwiz(m): 12:19am On Jan 02, 2018 |
I wish i was around in '010 to have read these. You guys are legends. cc CHARLOE, Devonian et al 2 Likes |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by CHARLOE(m): 7:09am On Jan 02, 2018 |
festwiz:Legend kwa! Abeg o, I'm just like u, an enlightened soul, always willing to learn, without fear. 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by petra1(m): 8:08am On Jan 02, 2018 |
CHARLOE: tithe is given to God. secondly it is biblical to give to men of God. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by ProjectNaija(m): 9:26am On Jan 02, 2018 |
petra1: Yes that's why your pastors need private jets to deliver the tithes to their god in the sky. Nansense 2 Likes |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by BluntBoy(m): 10:14am On Jan 02, 2018 |
petra1: Tithe is not given to God. The Bible said God gave it to the Levites: “To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting" (Numbers 18:21) One of the services for which the Levites receive tithes is taking care of the temple. I believe you know that these involve tasks of cleaning. I have not heard of pastors sweeping the inside of the church building, yet they earnestly earn tithes. 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by petra1(m): 4:04pm On Jan 02, 2018 |
BluntBoy: Tithe and offering belongs to God . Leviticus 27:30. And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord. Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. The fact that the Levites and ministers get their welfare from tithes and offerings doesn't mean it is not given to God . “To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting" (Numbers 18:21) That's just administration or distribution . One of the services for which the Levites receive tithes is taking care of the temple. I believe you know that these involve tasks of cleaning. I have not heard of pastors sweeping the inside of the church building, yet they earnestly earn tithes. Wrong . Levites represents community of workers in Gods house . Priests represents the ordained ministers . The people who come first in salary earning are the church workers . Gate men , cleaners and other officials . Pastors come last . Because most pastors don't even depend on the stipends from church except few full time pastors . 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by BluntBoy(m): 4:38pm On Jan 02, 2018 |
petra1: So, your pastors are equivalent of the priests of old? |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by petra1(m): 5:24pm On Jan 02, 2018 |
BluntBoy: Yes a type , good parallel 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by BluntBoy(m): 6:17pm On Jan 02, 2018 |
petra1: Sorry, no parallel. Everyone who has been reconciled with Christ shares in His eternal priesthood. So, a true believer in Christ is a priest and Christ is His High Priest. Pastors are shepherds. Paul believed that they should make a living (not wealth) from the work of God that they did. What is "make a living". It means to have basic necessities: But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. (1 Timothy 6: It was one reason why tithes were food. Tithes was a food program instituted to cater for the Levites, and by extension the priest, and then the poor. Another reason was because man could not boast of being in direct production of food. He depended on God for rain and sun and a good harvest. If tithe was money, man would not appreciate God as much as he would if tithes were factors that he has limited mastery over. Lastly, supposing pastors are priests, then they shouldn't be collecting tithes directly. The gateman (an equivalent of a Levite) should gather the tithes and take tenth of the tithes (one percent) to the storehouse for the use of the priests. And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes to the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house. (Nehemiah 10:38 ) Also, the priests had laws guiding their conducts. They had to maintain a HOLY appearance. One of the requirements of a HOLY appearance is stated in the Bible verse below: "'Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies. (Leviticus 21:5) 2 Likes |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by petra1(m): 10:17am On Jan 03, 2018 |
BluntBoy: All The Jews were priests also. It's still a parallel Pastors are shepherds. Paul believed that they should make a living (not wealth) from the work of God that they did Good why then do you give wrong impression as though it's a crime for a minister to receive welfare . What is "make a living". It means to have basic necessities:[b]But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. (1 Timothy 6: That's a general Christian admonition It was one reason why tithes were food. Tithes was a food program instituted to cater for the Levites, and by extension the priest, and then the poor. Another reason was because man could not boast of being in direct production of food. He depended on God for rain and sun and a good harvest. If tithe was money, man would not appreciate God as much as he would if tithes were factors that he has limited mastery over. I've proven to you money was accepted as tithe . Secondly God used agric terminology for isreal because they were farmers by default . Even as at that it's not all agric produce that was accepted . Perishable things as tomatoes were not accepted , unclean animals were not accepted . Such were redeemed by cash . So invariably that knocks out the idea of strictly crops and animal agro tithes .It's a matter of choice . Does The fact that Cain and Abel gave agro produce as offering make offering strictly agro ? NO . Likewise tithes .If tithes were to be strictly agro Abraham and Jacob would have given agro only. Jacob said he would give tithes of all he's blessed with . And lastly tithes given to God is not for the poor . What is given to the poor was a different alms allocation . Ask yourself this . If their was no money involved in cash . If it's only crops , how did priest get clothes ,shoes,plates,cups ,houses, bed, blankets, did the people give them ? Or they bought them ? Where did the money come from Lastly, supposing pastors are priests, then they shouldn't be collecting tithes directly. The gateman (an equivalent of a Levite) should gather the tithes and take tenth of the tithes (one percent) to the storehouse for the use of the priests Church money all goes to the local church account , from there a tithe of tithes is sent to headquarters. From the local church account . Gateman is paid and others staff are paid the pastor doesn't get paid except few case , other bills of the church are paid , rentals ,maintainaces and purchases . It's only Nairaland that tell lies against pastors . Church members will only laugh when they read some of the trash posted here because they know better that most of their pastors are volunteers who rather spend their money on the church . We don't give tithes according to the law. Remember it pre existed the law. |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by MrPristine: 10:58am On Jan 03, 2018 |
petra1: Stop this glaring lie. Tithing is preached according to the law in most Nigerian churches and that is why it is preached as mandatory. The Abrahamic tithe and Jacobs conditional promise to tithe that you are appealing to were both voluntary. It is only the law tithe that was made mandatory and that is what you and other dishonest preachers preach. 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by BluntBoy(m): 11:46am On Jan 03, 2018 |
petra1: First of all, Jews were not all priests. God had the plan but they messed up by worshipping the golden calf and the Levites got the honor for staying on the side of God. Second, money was used with a condition attached to it because God wanted tithes to be land-based. And moreover, the tithes which could be redeemed with money was not the ones to be given to the Levites. Moreover, the money was soon to be used to buy what the owner desired in his heart - which was again food. Third, the priests had their clothing specially woven. It is hard to believe that you would think to use that as an excuse to justify paying money as tithes. There were even instructions on how they were to be made. And please, stop lying about your sort of tithing existing before the law. We all know that Abraham's tithes were conditional and voluntary. I hope you know that voluntary and law do not go well together. It is either something is voluntary or obligatory (legal, law) 1 Like |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by petra1(m): 1:14pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
BluntBoy: In that case Christians are not priests either. Are Christians Levites ? Second, money was used with a condition attached to it because God wanted tithes to be land-based. And moreover, the tithes which could be redeemed with money was not the ones to be given to the Levites. Moreover, the money was soon to be used to buy what the owner desired in his heart - which was again food I showed you from scriptures except you just want to keep going in circles . The 10% for feast is different from the tithes given to God . Third, the priests had their clothing specially woven. It is hard to believe that you would think to use that as an excuse to justify paying money as tithes. There were even instructions on how they were to be made So They made their houses ,beds also and their plates and spoons from potato . Because they were forbidden to touch money! And please, stop lying about your sort of tithing existing before the law. We all know that Abraham's tithes were conditional and voluntary. ) Was it agro produce he gave .? |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by petra1(m): 1:16pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
MrPristine: If it voluntary why would God say you rob him |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by MrPristine: 1:50pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
petra1: Now you contradict yourself, Malachi 3:10 that you are referring to here was talking about tithes under the law which you claim is not the type you are practising. As we all know Christians are not under the law and it's wrong for any preacher to try to subject Christians to the law as tithe preachers do. |
Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by BluntBoy(m): 2:36pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
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Re: False teaching in Rccg open heavens devotional by BluntBoy(m): 2:38pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
petra1: God's original plan was to make the Jews priests. They messed up and the Levites were gifted. God sent Jesus to actualize his original plan by dying so that we may be reconciled and to share in His priesthood. Jews were not all priests at the time of the Law but the death of Christ made them priests who believed in Him, whether they be Jews or Gentiles. Second, the priest lived within the temple. The Levites were first a tribe so they had their own city. Do you think they had no properties before God chose them? If beds and plates are your own excuse for believing that priests received money, then, I can only shake my head because you have rendered me absolutely speechless. I don't suppose you think that the priests bought the snuffles and bowls by themselves. I want you to shoot yourself in the foot by answering if what Abraham tithed was agro produce. So, don't be angry that I will be answering your question with a question: "Did Abraham tithe agro produce |
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