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Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by ManMountain(m): 5:08pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
PrecisionFx: The question you should ask yourself is whether the power supply is getting better or worse to pre-2015 level To me it is only a wicked and deceitful person that will be blind to the progress in the sector |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by LordAdam16: 6:00pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
obailala: Can you show me where I said GEJ spent nothing? It seems you are daft? If I said he spent nothing, then what money did he spend on "completing existing power plants, boosting transmission capacity, and rural electrification." Or is the NIPP not part of "existing power plants"? None of the pages you quoted said $8.5b. If you had said over $8b, I'd not have asked you to provide a quote. If OBJ did most of the hard work like you claimed, why did Yar'Adua in only 2 years have to spend $5b on the same project? OBJ started the NIPP in 2004, a year after his re-election. He had already spent most of that $16b in his first tenure. It was in 2005 that the Electric Power Sector Reform Act called for the unbundling of PHCN. And how is it that "most of the expensive heavy equipment, turbines etc. were already procured and were rotting away in the ports" for the NIPP were actually imported in 2003, one whole year before the NIPP was conceived. http://shipsandports.com.ng/nebo-takes-delivery-of-248-phcn-containers-abandoned-for-10-years/. Later if I insult you, you'll say it's uncalled for. All OBJ did was start a very expensive project that other administrations had to complete or risked being called out for discontinuation of projects when we didn't have electricity. Yar'Adua didn't want to pay, that's why funding was halted for more than one year. If all you could find about GEJ's electricity expenses was on this same expensive, glorified NIPP project that he was compelled to finish, then it shows how bereft of common sense you are. POWER GENERATION Yet in the same page you quoted, this was the first part of the article: Power output had dropped from a recent peak of 4,500MW on April 3, to 2,800 as of March 30. You see how mischievous you are? It was at a peak of 4,500MW on April 2015 and you are saying because of the strike that took it below 2,000MW in only ONE month, then it means GEJ did nothing in the power sector? See how stup*d that sounds? And by the way peak power on First of January, 2018 is 4,685.30 MW. So are you telling me Buhari has added only 185MW in over 2 years? Are you normal at all? -Lord |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by obailala(m): 6:30pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
LordAdam16:OMG! you are such a shameless human to have even considered such a pointless and embarrassing response. Any human with an iota of self respect should have just remained silent. What is the difference between $8.5bn and $8.26bn? Off my head, I mentioned that GEJ spent $8.5 billion on the power sector. You instantly jumped on me like a ferocious lion, dismissed my statement and labeled me a 'stupid liar'. I returned after a simple google search providing evidence that the specific figure spent was $8.26 billion, only for you to come back now and say "I should have said over $8 billion". How shamelessly despicable can a human possibly be? And then you go further once again to run your fingers blabbing about how the $16 billion spent by OBJ was a total waste, but the 'over $8billion' spent by GEJ was prudently used. You even dared to mention that 248 containers of power system equipment stuck in the ports were cleared by Nebo in 2014 (several more were even cleared recently in 2017), but you still fail to acknowledge that these were part of the $16 billion sunk in by OBJ?... What sort of shameless hypocritical bigot are you? Yet in the same page you quoted, this was the first part of the article:Of course every human with a functioning brain knows there was a reason why the power dropped to such low levels, same way there are also explainable reasons why the power drops intermittently till date. I don't remember mentioning anywhere that there wasn't a reason for the drop; only thing I mentioned was that there was a major power system collapse which saw power dropping below 2000mw at the time of handover. So what on earth are you blabbing about?.. Why don't you just shut-up and run along? Once again, nowhere did I say the generation level was permanently below 2000mw, I only said the power dropped below 2000mw on the week before handover. If you do not have the most elementary English language comprehension skills, but rather choose to jump around ignorantly insulting people like an attack dog, then I'm sorry, I cant help you. 2 Likes |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by LordAdam16: 6:40pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
bigass: Yar'Adua invited a Canadian firm--CPCS Transcom Ltd--to advice on unbundling PHCN. In 2010, GEJ reinvited them to provide more advice. In 2013, he commenced the process. Nnamdi Sambo was fully in charge of the privatization process and the BPE and all other lawfully-empowered government agencies and stakeholders were involved in the process. To the best of my knowledge, I haven't heard or read of any conceited group saying the PHCN privatization did not follow due process. I'm not saying the process was perfect, but it beats having a redundant PHCN under whose stead no new engineer was employed in 20 years and who were the people who left $5b worth of equipment in limbo for over a decade. And about the metering and changing of moribund equipment, you are not intelligent enough to debate why these hiccups have not been resolved. So, I'm not going to enlighten you. I've got better things to do. But here's a Nov. 2017 article on the fact that there are no existing metering regulations -- https://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/business-news/248529-fashola-gives-nerc-november-deadline-issue-electricity-metering-regulation.html. PHCN privatization is a work in process and isn't complete yet. Moreover, for an heavily convoluted sector like that, there were always going to be kinks that need to be ironed out. Metering and funding for the moribund projects are some of those. I can tell you for a fact that no DISCO would take a loan at the present 22% interest rate to "change all moribund euipment" when the average profit margin is 8-10%. When you begin to read more rather than type trash, I'd take you seriously. -Lord |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by LordAdam16: 6:54pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
obailala: Maybe you should cross-check figures before posting them. I know I do. And you're yet to show me where I said GEJ spent nothing. Since you have comprehension problems. And then you go further once again to run your fingers blabbing about how the $16 billion spent by OBJ was a total waste, but the 'over $8billion' spent by GEJ was prudently used. What sort of shameless hypocritical bigot are you? You need serious help! It's not blabbing when I provide links and facts to back my arguments, whereas you're either typing out of your a** or making unsubstantiated statements. Yar'Adua spent $5b on NIPP in 2 yers. GEJ spent $8b on NIPP in 5 years. Maybe you should help me find out how much OBJ spent on the NIPP in 2 years. Right now, the NIPP is like the refineries. I maintain that the bulk of OBJ's $16b spending was not on the NIPP, like you erroneously assumed. And I backed it up with facts. The bottom line is that if OBJ hadn't constituted the NIPP, Yar'Adua wouldn't have to spend that $5b, and GEJ wouldn't have had to spend $8b (if they did, it would have been on more useful things like rural electrification and improving transmission capacity). And I bet Buhari is spending his own billions on the same NIPP. Because like the refineries, the NIPP na person ATM. Yet OBJ would have clearly spent above $10b regardless of the NIPP. So who among the three was wasteful? I don't know why it's hard for you to think critically. I know you're capable of doing so, but for reasons best known to you, you choose not to. Of course every human with a functioning brain knows there was a reason why the power dropped to such low levels, same way there are also explainable reasons why the power drops intermittently till date. I don't remember mentioning anywhere that there wasn't a reason for the drop; only thing I mentioned was that there was a major power system collapse which saw power dropping below 2000mw at the time of handover. So what on earth are you blabbing about?.. Why don't you just shut-up and run along? So why did you bloody mention that GEJ handed over 2000MW if you weren't trying to be mischievous? Do you hear yourself? You know there was a reason why it fell to 2000MW. You know it was usually around 4500MW under GEJ. Yet you felt the need to mention that on the week of the handover, it fell to below 2000MW without stating the reason why. Does that not reek of political meandering? Once again, nowhere did I say the generation level was permanently below 2000mw, I only said the power dropped below 2000mw on the week before handover. If you do not have the most elementary English language comprehension skills, but rather choose to jump around ignorantly insulting people like an attack dog, then I'm sorry, I cant help you. My simple question is that why did you have to mention that it dropped below 2000MW on the week before handover without stating the reason why? Even more importantly, why did you have to share that information, without being objective to explain why, in the same post that you were accusing GEJ of being corrupt and wasteful? Or do you think you're conversing with a kid? I've told you. This is a new year. Leave those your stupid*ty and political mischief in 2017. -Lord |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by LordAdam16: 7:13pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
deomelo: Oga, even if I'm mad, I wouldn't debate sh*t with you. At least I know obailala problem is bias and selective reporting, although he has the capacity to reason. Bigass wouldn't read to save his/her life. Your own is that you simply do not have the capacity to think for yourself. Your brain is underdeveloped. I'm pretty sure you have a single-digit IQ, and that's me being generous. If I climbed to your ego, it'd take me years to fall to your IQ. So anywhere you see my post, jump am pass. You're saying there are dramatic changes, yet the range of electricity generation has been the same since 2014 till date. The average number of annual grid collapses has been the same since 2014 till date. If you are saying a tweet to explain the first collapse of this year is "competence and positive attitude" for the first time in more than 2 years, forgive me for being skeptic until it happens consecutively for at least a dozen other times this year before I agree with you. Because at least since 2014, the TCN has been giving updates about every collapse, like the CBN gives quarterly update about the rates since forever. Saying a tweet shows competence pretty much buttresses my point that your brain is underdeveloped. -Lord |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by obailala(m): 7:32pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
LordAdam16:Huh?! Cross-check what nonsense?... What's the different between 'over $8bn', $8.26bn vs $8.5bn? Instead of simply admitting your simple error and moving on to something else, you keep churning out this nonsense like a girl child desperate to win an argument? By the way, go back and read my first response again; this time, try and read it slowly and apply your elementary school comprehension skills and maybe you will comprehend what I said without repeating your above silly question about GEJ spending nothing. I will help remind you below: obailala: It's not blabbing when I provide links and facts to back my arguments, whereas you're either typing out of your a** or making unsubstantiated statements.So the bone of contention to you is now NIPP?... You are now trying to say the NIPPs are useless and a bad idea simply because OBJ started them right?... And by the way, I'm still struggling to see where I mentioned that the $16bn spent on the power sector was spent on NIPP alone. What on earth is wrong with you? Are you on drugs or what? So why did you bloody mention that GEJ handed over 2000MW if you weren't trying to be mischievous?Did power supply drop below 2000mw or not?... YES or NO! So what exactly has your silly arguments all evening been all about? I simply responded to a person who threw a jab at Fashola/Buhari over the temporary failure in the power grid last night; the person ascribed the temporary failure to Buhari being a certificateless illiterate and I pointed out to her that the same power failure also happened even at the handover week of the last PhD holder president. And then you ignorantly jump into my mentions like a lost sheep with all manner of obscenities. After making a fool of yourself, it is only now that your brain tells you to ask why I had to mention the system collapse in the first place? ... What sort of nagging old wife are you? 1 Like |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by LordAdam16: 8:13pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
obailala: You did not say "over $8b." And $8.26b is not $8.5b. Cross-check your figures before posting them or you'll be called out. Very simple. By the way, go back and read my first response again; this time, try and read it slowly and apply your elementary school comprehension skills and maybe you will comprehend what I said without repeating your above silly question about GEJ spending nothing. I will help remind you below: Dumbito, is this not part of the same post? But then, you emphatically stated that GEJ spent nothing on the power sector, but below are some reports which claims he spent over $8 billion (still to no avail exactly just like OBJ), I did not create these reports so you have no right to call me stupid. And then I asked where did I state GEJ spent nothing, and then you went on a shameful tirade. Now who has comprehension problems? So the bone of contention to you is now NIPP?... You are now trying to say the NIPPs are useless and a bad idea simply because OBJ started them right?... And by the way, I'm still struggling to see where I mentioned that the $16bn spent on the power sector was spent on NIPP alone. What on earth is wrong with you? Are you on drugs or what? Your madness don enter new gear. GEJ spent over $8b on NIPP in 5 years -- https://www.businessdayonline.com/fg-spends-8-26bn-on-power-sector-inaugurates-nipp-olorunsogo-ogun/ Yar'Adua spent over $5b on NIPP in 2 years -- https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/08/power-sector-senate-probes-obj-yaradua-jonathan/ OBJ spent over $6b on the same NIPP in 2 years. Note that they are the same links you provided. Now let me ask you, if three successive governments spent over $19b on one project (and a fourth one is still spending) and the project isn't complete yet, is that project a good idea? I don't know what your problem is. Why are trying so hard to be s*lly? Yar'Adua and GEJ had already zeroed their mind to privatize PHCN, but they had to meet the power generation commitments started by OBJ. Buhari is also meeting the same commitments. The NIPP is a white elephant project. So again I ask, who is more wasteful? Did power supply drop below 2000mw or not?... YES or NO! So what exactly has your silly arguments all evening been all about? Since you have trouble comprehending, the question is why did you have to mention the drop during the handover week, without stating the reason? Your entire post reeked of "it happened under GEJ, so keep shut about it happening under PMB," but you didn't give any perspective. How hard would it have been for you to explain why the collapse is usual, and use GEJ or Yar'Adua or OBJ's time as an example. Your post was more about demonizing GEJ and his efforts in the electricity sector than explaining why the collapse under PMB was not unusual. If you can't be objective abstain from making cynical jabs. -Lord |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by bigass(f): 10:00pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
LordAdam16: Common get off it. GEJ was defeated and he's not coming back. Stop comparing PMB with GEJ . Compare PMB with what standard is supposed to be. Criticise him but stop comparing him with GEJ. |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by deomelo: 10:18pm On Jan 03, 2018 |
[s] LordAdam16:[/s] Stop boring me with your ignorant ipob essays, peddle that trash elsewhere. |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by obailala(m): 12:40am On Jan 04, 2018 |
LordAdam16:Shut up and stop fooling yourself further. Accept that you goofed and just shut up already. Dumbito, is this not part of the same post?Quit this your by-force daftness, even an infant or an idiot knows some money was definitely spent on the power sector, I dont have to explain the use of a hyperbole to a grown adult. Within the same context where I mentioned "GEJ spent nothing", I had earlier used "GEJ didnt spend much" and that should be clear enough for any sane adult to comprehend my point. I know you are educated, so use your brain and stop quoting me to repeat this nonsense about "GEJ spending nothing" vs "GEJ not spending much." Your madness don enter new gear.So because 3 Nigerian presidents in 16 years squandered over $19billion on NIPPs and couldnt effectively boost Nigeria's power generation, your brain now interprets it that NIPPs are bad projects?... And all this senselessness is just in a desperate bid to demonize OBJ for initiating the NIPPs and exonerate GEJ for spending over $8bn with no clear results?... Did someone sacrifice your brain to some diabolic deity? Your daftness is truly on steroids. I was gracious enough to clearly explain the reason why I mentioned the power grid failure in the week of handover, but you probably did not bother reading my last response, or you were just too compulsively daft to comprehend what I was saying. I'm sorry, I wouldn't be responding to this your stupid question again, if you need that answer, you can seek the services of your primary 2 nephew/neice or child to read and explain to you what I wrote in my last response to you. 1 Like |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by LordAdam16: 1:11am On Jan 04, 2018 |
obailala: How about you take your own advice? Confirm your figures before posting it as gospel truth. How is that so difficult to do, that you have to be so recklessly adamant? [s]Quit this your by-force daftness, even an infant or an idiot knows some money was definitely spent on the power sector, I dont have to explain the use of a hyperbole to a grown adult. Within the same context where I mentioned "GEJ spent nothing", I had earlier used "GEJ didnt spend much" and that should be clear enough for any sane adult to comprehend my point. I know you are educated, so use your brain and stop quoting me to repeat this nonsense about "GEJ spending nothing" vs "GEJ not spending much."[/s] Trash! Are you going to show me where I said GEJ spent nothing or not? Don't misquote me, then try to lecture me on literary devices when I call you out on your st*pidity. So because 3 Nigerian presidents in 16 years squandered over $19billion on NIPPs and couldnt effectively boost Nigeria's power generation, your brain now interprets it that NIPPs are bad projects?... And all this senselessness is just in a desperate bid to demonize OBJ for initiating the NIPPs and exonerate GEJ for spending over $8bn with no clear results?... Did someone sacrifice your brain to some diabolic deity? I asked a very simple question you've refused to answer. If three successive governments spent over $19b on one project (and a fourth one is still spending) and the project isn't complete yet, is that project a good idea? Answer the question and stop foaming in your mouth. Your daftness is truly on steroids. I was gracious enough to clearly explain the reason why I mentioned the power grid failure in the week of handover, but you probably did not bother reading my last response, or you were just too compulsively daft to comprehend what I was saying. I'm sorry, I wouldn't be responding to this your stupid question again, if you need that answer, you can seek the services of your primary 2 nephew/neice or child to read and explain to you what I wrote in my last response to you. I'll repeat myself, since it appears it got lost on you the first time. "If you can't be objective abstain from making cynical jabs." -Lord |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by obailala(m): 1:20am On Jan 04, 2018 |
LordAdam16:I've honoured this stupidity with enough responses already. Go back to my previous responses for any answers you seek.. Be gone! |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by deomelo: 1:31am On Jan 04, 2018 |
obailala: you really should have ignored that troll and internet nuisance, he'll troll you to death and keep you going in circles with the same repetitive dumb, unintelligent and ignorant essays. I have zero tolerance for that troll. |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by obailala(m): 1:42am On Jan 04, 2018 |
deomelo:Seriously, I just realised I've been attempting to explain the same things to him over and over again all day, but it seems like he keeps ignoring all my responses and he returns with the same dumb questions again. |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by HeWrites(m): 4:02am On Jan 04, 2018 |
Talkwell: The first 5 letters I added to dat to this quote is her moniker |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by LordAdam16: 8:27am On Jan 04, 2018 |
obailala: Skimping on answering simple questions. How typical of a dumb-a$$. -Lord |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by LordAdam16: 8:49am On Jan 04, 2018 |
bigass: There is no such thing as "what standard is supposed to be" in Nigeria. We aren't ever going to have the Mandelas, Lees, and Dengs. Our current political system can't produce nor support such visionaries. And even though we have the Iweals, Dukes, Adesinas, and Ribadus that could theoretically perform better than our past (and present) leaders, there is ZERO guarantee that they too would not be bogged down by the ethnicity, sycophancy, religious, and a dozen other interests and factors that had thwarted the efforts of previous leaders. For example, as much as PMB is an Islamist, the lack of a proper response to the Fulani militia madness is partly because he doesn't care, and partly because that could put him at loggerheads with the core of his supporters who are Islamic fundamentalists and mostly Hausa-Fulani. With 2019 around the corner, and the South belatedly fed up with him, I'd wager PMB is not ready to commit political suicide regardless of how many people die. Ditto for GEJ. After the debacle that was Boko Haram, with the push against the war from the Northern corridor, and the saboteurs he had to deal with, he wasn't willing to start off another round of merry-go-round with the Fulani militia, lest it be affirmed as him being anti-Fulani. The Fulani militia killed over 1000 people in 2014. There's no Presidential candidate currently that'd do anything tangible about the menace, not until it leads to a major crisis. Not Buhari, not Atiku, not Kwankwaso, not Dankwambo, not even Fayose. In a sane country, this wouldn't be so. And that is the primary reason why I'd compare Buhari or whoever comes after him with the most advanced democratic leader we've had in 60 years. He may not be coming back, but he's set the bar everyone after him must cross to prove their mettle. If you have a problem with that, you can either take a bow or use a bloody rope to do the needful. I'm not writing to impress anyone. -Lord |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by obailala(m): 9:33am On Jan 04, 2018 |
LordAdam16: |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by Talkwell: 12:35pm On Jan 04, 2018 |
HeWrites:Wehdone 1 Like |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by StrawberryGloss(f): 12:52pm On Jan 04, 2018 |
jumaian:Hi? |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by Nobody: 9:19pm On Jan 04, 2018 |
deomelo: ""Your sad, pathetic and evil wishing posts are right here on NL and they say a lot about you and your bitter, angry and bigoted state of mind"" Looooooooooooooooooool. Pls show me my evil wishing posts on nairaland. |
Re: Federal Ministry Of Power's Statement On The Blackout On The National Grid. by Nobody: 9:22pm On Jan 04, 2018 |
ManMountain: Pls show me any energy generation structure or power plants that buhari has built n commissioned since may 2015 |
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