INTERMAN:
please don't add to what I posted. I didn't say he say no to medication or whatever you added to it. He only encouraged them to be happy and was not a "strict" doctrine. Why would you add to my post?

You don't want him adding to your post, Why

I wonder if Kumuyi broke away from Jehovah's witness cos it seems they both share or used to share similar extremist, fanatical and weird beliefs.

chronique:


This is a blatant lie. Deeper life never saw other Christians as evil. I attended that church in my childhood and formative years. I attended that church in the 80s and 90s. They never said television was evil but they were against it cos they felt it could corrupt the mind(depending on what you watch),and believed it was better to abstain from watching TV to prevent temptations that could arise from immoral acts seen on TV,especially for children. Over the years,a lot of people have twisted the whole thing. Deeper life never said nobody should go to hospital. Way back,we used to have retreats and in those retreats,there were medical centres for treating people who took I'll during the retreat. My friend's mother whose father was a pastor then in the church, was a nurse and she was always at the medical centres. I don't know where most of you usually get your fables from.

Be deceiving urself! His 1st son was a chronic porn addict wayyyyyy back when they were staying in Gbagada Phase 2 and they had 2TVs in their house as far back as 1996. Don’t be a bling sheeplee dude!!! Lemme not say more but if u know u know!!!

Chartey:
I'm not a true Christian right now but let me say this.
I don't think Deeper Life was ever against medical care. It's perhaps the church with the highest number of doctors as members in Nigeria.
There are even clinics at the camp during retreats.
Kumuyi believes in faith healing just like all pentecostals which is understandable.
If you mention churches like CAC that use "omi adura" (prayer water) or Synagogue that uses that their water then I'll agree.
Nothing beyond laying of hands (as commanded in the Bible) is acceptable in Deeper Life, not even the use of olive oil.
I need to go to church one of these days, I don miss am.


NB: Truth is, many people prefer churches where they'll go on Sunday, have their spirits lifted, then come back home very comfortable in their sins.
Most churches these days are like that.
Deeper Life isn't. You either feel remorse and repent or you become rebellious and tag living a life of holiness as "extremism".

God bless you. I realized most tales are carried by people who have never attended the church. Honestly speaking, I miss that church. I'd someday,love to go back there.

SpecialAdviser:
Whatever the case may be. I am a Catholic but this is one of the good pastors I respect so much.

If you respect him so much, then what are you doing in catholic church. Join his church

That is how they twist the Bible to fit their own personal ideology and impose it on their congregation

007author:
Deeper life people are extremists. They should be banned in Nigeria

who gave you that right to decide who is to be banned and not. first ban yourself make you see how e be. very heartless devil. just imagine person thought. make them ban people becos of their belief. wetin day worry this hediort sef? why you no go ban Fulani and herdsmen.

ZombieBuster:



Believe me it will happen
I don't know the kind of gullible followers these pastors have....
You see them become so rich and brag about how God made them rich out of tithes and offerings from his congregation ooh

I don't understand Pentecostalism anymore

I have lost hope in this generation of Christians. They are the most lukewarm, materialistic and gullible Christians in living memory. I hope the next generation fights this false Christianity and weakens it considerably.

ugwusunday:
U forget to add, Buying expensive cars or cloth
But nw things don change
Them dey even dey use Venza nw

i think say na this one u won mention venza small nah

correctguy101:


Why blame the church for a person's own stupidity?

If a man can tell you to drink poison and you did, I would personally not blame the man when you end up dead cos he never forced the poison down your throat.

I blame your friend and his family for being silly. Imagine how a grown man can be so foolish .... $mh

you are talking for your self cos God gave you grace to spot the difference between right and bad. here in Africa we are so gullible to our pastors that what they say is the final.

His teaching on calling the tv a devil box is one reason pastor tunde bakari left the d church..

This only shows that most do's and don't s in the church are man made. Pastor should focus on preaching salvation and stop dictating how their congregation should live their lives. If they preach the right message the Holy Spirit will direct people accordingly in their hearts.

OboOlora:

Be deceiving urself! His 1st son was a chronic porn addict wayyyyyy back when they were staying in Gbagada Phase 2 and they had 2TVs in their house as far back as 1996. Don’t be a bling sheeplee dude!!! Lemme not say more but if u know u know!!!

Maybe you and the son were watching the porn together. After all, it would be difficult for someone not to get a hard-on when sitting next to an oboolora like you.

I'm not here to defend his son. I'm here to correct a false misrepresentation. Yes,I'm aware there were members who had TVs in their house way back but it was never a law that "you must not own a TV".

INTERMAN:
Thank God the man of God is still standing for holiness and righteousness. But here are some old beliefs of WF kumuyi in which he latter sent into oblivion.

1) TELEVISION- In the early days of Deeper life church. Television and anything that relates to it was seen as a taboo. The gadget was tagged "the box of the devil" and members of the church were strictly warned against Tv, video cameras in wedding and so on.Repairing of TV was also abomination. But today, the church itself, I.e Deeper life Bible Church now have over Ten thousands television in their various church for live transmissions. Video cameras are also now been used during events by members of the church

2) BE HAPPY WHEN YOU ARE SICK: In one of the old messages of pastor kumuyi. He made mention that saints and Christians should be happy when they are sick because it should be a thing of joy when it is time to cross over to the other side of eternity I.e heaven. But today, Pastor kumuyi now pray against death of members of the church and even organizes monthly programs and crusades against every form of sickness and disorders. He equally encourages his pastors to have some time to rest to prevent deaths and illness from overstress.

3) WEARING OF SUITS: Although he was not against wearing of suit. But he said he preferred wearing his Shirt and trousers.That was majorly his mode of dressing until the early 2000' when Pastor kumuyi suddenly changed to suit and Tie which has hence became his permanent mode of dressing.

4) BUILDING OF SCHOOLS BY THE CHURCH: It was believed that the church never intended to build any university or schools in the past so that Members can spread and shine as salts in the world rather than been confined in a given location. But today the church now has many secondary schools (Deeper life high schools) and a university (anchor university)

5) USE OF HANDKERCHIEF IN HEALING: In the late 80's or early 90's handkerchief was said to have been used by the man of God during miracle services, but this was latter abolished.

OP you are totally wrong.

It will interest you to note that Deeper Life have maternity homr and clinic within all Its Camp and HQ church

That's to prove to you that those were his doctrines, never the WORD of GOD. There are still more they are practicing now that he will still change in the very near future. A confused man confusing millions of people. Whatever your pastor tells you, check if it is the Word of God before believing him let alone doing it. On that day, your pastor will answer for himself and you the gullible Christian will answer for yourself. Let us learn to study the WORD of GOD ourselves, allowing the Holy Spirit to teach us so as not to be deceived by the doctrines of men and devils.

007author:
Deeper life people are extremists. They should be banned in Nigeria

If them come ban deeper life, wetin u want Mk dem do choosen mopol dem

Uyi168:
His teaching on calling the tv a devil box is one reason pastor tunde bakari left the d church..

Because he Mis-understand the message on TV.

The message then was how would somebody sit down 24/7 on TV

007author:
Deeper life people are extremists. They should be banned in Nigeria

Can you define your extrimist?

engineerboat:



Because he Mis-understand the message on TV.

The message then was how would somebody sit down 24/7 on TV

...way back,kumuyi used to refer to d tv as the devil box...

INTERMAN:
please don't add to what I posted. I didn't say he say no to medication or whatever you added to it. He only encouraged them to be happy and was not a "strict" doctrine. Why would you add to my post?

You misquote the Pastor as well.

If He say be happy.

Am sure You know even at that time.

The church still take sick member to Her Clinic or to General Hospital as the case may be.

Get your facts right

Uyi168:
...way back,kumuyi used to refer to d tv as the devil box...

You get it wrong there.

Don't misquote.

salvation101:
It takes humility to admit you were wrong.. Many people would av still held on to their dogma. Ur post is misleading though, did he even say his members should not seek medical care wen dey are sick? At least i know alot of deeperlife doctors and nurses. The bible says in all things we should give thanks, him saying wen u are sick you should still thank God doesnt mean you shouldn't seek medical attention or divine healing.. Wat would you do wen u r sick? Curse God like Job's wife suggested?

how is he misleading? the post is right especially those on television...those days members are forbidden to watch it n they even abandon theirs.....well....things hv change but deeper life people...hmm..,e get as e be

Woe Unto Those Who Use Their Hands To Write Their Books.

OboOlora:

Gbam! U av said it all. How can u be a Christian and think other Christians are ‘evil’ just because they don’t practice your doctrine?!

Big Fat Lie from you there, Quote me anywhere.

It's a big lie

OboOlora:

Be deceiving urself! His 1st son was a chronic porn addict wayyyyyy back when they were staying in Gbagada Phase 2 and they had 2TVs in their house as far back as 1996. Don’t be a bling sheeplee dude!!! Lemme not say more but if u know u know!!!

Lol.. His first Son was a chronic porn addict..
Sheyb that's what God told you in your dream...
FYI... My mom once worked for the Kumuyis .. They had no TVs...

BluntBoy:


I have lost hope in this generation of Christians. They are the most lukewarm, materialistic and gullible Christians in living memory. I hope the next generation fights this false Christianity and weakens it considerably.

These material pastors are attacking Christianity
They are building their Heavenly empires here on earth

But the today's Christians are gullible
They are now worshipping their pastors instead of God

So, is he saying they should not be happy when they are sick now?

INTERMAN:
please don't add to what I posted. I didn't say he say no to medication or whatever you added to it. He only encouraged them to be happy and was not a "strict" doctrine. Why would you add to my post?

INTERMAN:
Thank God the man of God is still standing for holiness and righteousness. But here are some old beliefs of WF kumuyi in which he latter sent into oblivion.

1) TELEVISION- In the early days of Deeper life church. Television and anything that relates to it was seen as a taboo. The gadget was tagged "the box of the devil" and members of the church were strictly warned against Tv, video cameras in wedding and so on.Repairing of TV was also abomination. But today, the church itself, I.e Deeper life Bible Church now have over Ten thousands television in their various church for live transmissions. Video cameras are also now been used during events by members of the church

2) BE HAPPY WHEN YOU ARE SICK: In one of the old messages of pastor kumuyi. He made mention that saints and Christians should be happy when they are sick because it should be a thing of joy when it is time to cross over to the other side of eternity I.e heaven. But today, Pastor kumuyi now pray against death of members of the church and even organizes monthly programs and crusades against every form of sickness and disorders. He equally encourages his pastors to have some time to rest to prevent deaths and illness from overstress.

3) WEARING OF SUITS: Although he was not against wearing of suit. But he said he preferred wearing his Shirt and trousers.That was majorly his mode of dressing until the early 2000' when Pastor kumuyi suddenly changed to suit and Tie which has hence became his permanent mode of dressing.

4) BUILDING OF SCHOOLS BY THE CHURCH: It was believed that the church never intended to build any university or schools in the past so that Members can spread and shine as salts in the world rather than been confined in a given location. But today the church now has many secondary schools (Deeper life high schools) and a university (anchor university)

5) USE OF HANDKERCHIEF IN HEALING: In the late 80's or early 90's handkerchief was said to have been used by the man of God during miracle services, but this was latter abolished.

bloody liar.

ZombieBuster:

These material pastors are attacking Christianity They are building their Heavenly empires here on earth
But the today's Christians are gullible They are now worshipping their pastors instead of God

Exactly. It is called False Christianity.

OboOlora:

Gbam! U av said it all. How can u be a Christian and think other Christians are ‘evil’ just because they don’t practice your doctrine?!

It is definitely with different levels of dislike or hatred but I think almost every christian domination 'hates' the other especially those whose beliefs are very unrelated to theirs. Some are just more 'tolerant'. It isn't peculiar to just 'deeper lifers'

INTERMAN:
Thank God the man of God is still standing for holiness and righteousness. But here are some old beliefs of WF kumuyi in which he latter sent into oblivion.

1) TELEVISION- In the early days of Deeper life church. Television and anything that relates to it was seen as a taboo. The gadget was tagged "the box of the devil" and members of the church were strictly warned against Tv, video cameras in wedding and so on.Repairing of TV was also abomination. But today, the church itself, I.e Deeper life Bible Church now have over Ten thousands television in their various church for live transmissions. Video cameras are also now been used during events by members of the church

2) BE HAPPY WHEN YOU ARE SICK: In one of the old messages of pastor kumuyi. He made mention that saints and Christians should be happy when they are sick because it should be a thing of joy when it is time to cross over to the other side of eternity I.e heaven. But today, Pastor kumuyi now pray against death of members of the church and even organizes monthly programs and crusades against every form of sickness and disorders. He equally encourages his pastors to have some time to rest to prevent deaths and illness from overstress.

3) WEARING OF SUITS: Although he was not against wearing of suit. But he said he preferred wearing his Shirt and trousers.That was majorly his mode of dressing until the early 2000' when Pastor kumuyi suddenly changed to suit and Tie which has hence became his permanent mode of dressing.

4) BUILDING OF SCHOOLS BY THE CHURCH: It was believed that the church never intended to build any university or schools in the past so that Members can spread and shine as salts in the world rather than been confined in a given location. But today the church now has many secondary schools (Deeper life high schools) and a university (anchor university)

5) USE OF HANDKERCHIEF IN HEALING: In the late 80's or early 90's handkerchief was said to have been used by the man of God during miracle services, but this was latter abolished.

OP, dat No 2 was a quote out of context. The teaching was rather to "cheer up" wen som1 is terminally ill or dies, knowing dat d person is going to a better place (if he is saved). Also, praying against death & illnesses is wot he's bn doing frm time immemorial. However, I agree wt u dat d ch had always focused all its attention on spiritual leaving litu to nothing for physical buh now gradually changing dat orientation.
On Handkerchief, I agree wt u buh d reason is not due to change of ideology buh to prevent abuse. Pipu's faith shud be on Christmas not on d handkerchief. Even till now, there're times pipu take pix of sick relatives to his programs to pray for dem

jerrythafinisher:


bloody liar.

Everything he said is a lie?
My father was with this man in ibadan when he started his church from house fellowships of Scripure Union[SU] and vividly remembers giving out his TV to his brother because Kumuyi condemned TVs. I dont know about the rest but you should probably research first