Hairyrapunzel:

Still doesn't change the fact that you don't know the uses of a stethoscope.
What is paining you now is because I said pharma D holders are not equivalent to medical doctors who don't perform surgeries lol.
Is it by writing exam on stethoscope? Use it na
Open your big mouth and be propagating falsehood. You guys contribute to the high mortality rate we have in this country . Do the right thing for once. Always lying to people that pharm D holders do the same thing doctors who don't do surgeries do. Liar.

Ordinary Murmur you can't even grade and you say you can do what a physician can do. Mtcheww

You will die today...lmao

Jman06:
You are the one exposing your ignorance! Have you no shame

What does a clinical pharmacologist know about drug production Tufiaaa!!! Nigerian medical doctors are the most ignorant and insecure people i have ever seen!

I would not educate you on the difference between pharmacology and pharmacy so that you will continue to expose your ignorance for the whole world to see.

Pharmacy is the act of dispensing while pharmacology is a branch of medicine or biology that deals with the study of drugs.
Be lying to Nigerians that you can do what medical doctors can do when you don't even know jack about diseases

Hairyrapunzel:

Still doesn't change the fact that you don't know the uses of a stethoscope.
What is paining you now is because I said pharma D holders are not equivalent to medical doctors who don't perform surgeries lol.
Is it by writing exam on stethoscope? Use it na
Open your big mouth and be propagating falsehood. You guys contribute to the high mortality rate we have in this country . Do the right thing for once. Always lying to people that pharm D holders do the same thing doctors who don't do surgeries do. Liar.

Ordinary Murmur you can't even grade and you say you can do what a physician can do. Mtcheww

E really pain you ooo

Lmao

Hairyrapunzel:

Still doesn't change the fact that you don't know the uses of a stethoscope.
What is paining you now is because I said pharma D holders are not equivalent to medical doctors who don't perform surgeries lol.
Is it by writing exam on stethoscope? Use it na
Open your big mouth and be propagating falsehood. You guys contribute to the high mortality rate we have in this country . Do the right thing for once. Always lying to people that pharm D holders do the same thing doctors who don't do surgeries do. Liar.

Ordinary Murmur you can't even grade and you say you can do what a physician can do. Mtcheww

Jesus Christ!
Who is this one talking about Stethoscope up and down?
Look at what you typed.
How does one write exam with a stethoscope and not use it?
You talk like a secondary school teenager. I hope you grow up soon.

You just called me a pharmacist, you see your life? that is how you fucking half baked doctors gave wrong diagnosis that almost killed one on my in law but all thanks to God and Italian Doctors who first blasted you half baked Nigeria doctors and treated him well. Please travel out you will understand how wack you are, make una they there dey fight JOHESU while other doctors in order country are advancing in the field of medicine.

Hairyrapunzel:

You still don't know jack. E pain you. Pharmacist wanting to claim physician. You are still not the same with a physician. Want to lie about developed countries when you don't even know how it is done.

Hairyrapunzel:

Pharmacy is the act of dispensing while pharmacology is a branch of medicine or biology that deals with the study of drugs.
Be lying to Nigerians that you can do what medical doctors can do when you don't even know jack about diseases

Mtcheeew...seems i have been wasting my time on a JAMBite. Go and pass your JAMB first, kid.

Jman06:
E really pain you ooo

Lmao

Lol. See who e pain pass. You no fit even stand your ground on the false claim that you and physicians do the same thing.
Lmao. You jam bad market.
Pretending to be a doctor when jack you no know. Be arguing blindly. You will be arrested and sent to jail in saner climes if you practice the way you do in Nigeria.

Diseases you don't know yet you dispense drugs for unknown illnesses to unsuspecting Nigerians. Be playing kalo Kalo with poor people's lives. You practice trial and error so you can sell drugs thereby endangering the lives of individuals. Criminal.

eleojo23:


Jesus Christ!
Who is this one talking about Stethoscope up and down?
Look at what you typed.
How does one write exam with a stethoscope and not use it?
You talk like a secondary school teenager. I hope you grow up soon.

He is obviously a sec school teenager.

TempoJames:
JOHESU is already a failure!

Yes, I agree they make up 95% population of health sector but one inteligent head is better than 9 dumb heads. Imagine their chairman was very proud to say "we want to show the FG that we make up 95% of health sector".

JOHESU war will just end up as Biafra agitations and will lead to choas among its members when they come back with unmet demands.

If these demands are obtainable in the top 20 countries with best standards of medical practise I wouldn't be arguing here. Check the CMD and HODs in Hodgkin hospital.

We are short of doctors . Else JOHESU could know that the health care can operate functionally without them. The only people that could survive the revolution are pharmacists as doctors are not licensed to operate a pharmacy. Physiotherapy is a heck in Nigeria. Even Registered nurses indulge in physiotherapy.Doctors can chart TPR,dress wounds, prepare patients for surgery,autoclave instruments and all those stuffs. Recruit as many residents in pathology as possible then medlab sci. could know they are not indispensable. Recruit as many residents in radiology as possible. Only then could JOHESU know that doctors are all round. Doctors don't just want to take their work.


Doctors are just worried about nothing. Increase of salary will even be to doctors' favour. Only then could the relativity makes much sense. Imagine if a medlab sci. earns 200k and a doc earns 300k then FG decides to increase it by 20%. Automatically med lab sci. could earn 240K while a doc earns 360k. you see the relativity shifts from 100k to 120k. So doctors should even support Johesu but on grounds that any increment will be to both parties.

The aspect that is totally unobtainable is the issue of consultancy. It will only amount to heirachical rivalry in superiority of decision to patients' management.

If the public health sector breaks down. Doctors and Pharmacists will survive in the private sector but it will be harsh for other allied field.
A pharmacist will survive in his/her pharceutical shop/company but the bitterness in the sector will result in bizzare laison between docs and other allied fields.
Ofcourse doctors will boom in their private clinics. If they want to use only pathologists in their medical laboratories the medlab sci. will only go jobless. Ofcourse Docs can replace nurses if only they are willing to stoop low and work. Radiologists can fill up the Radiology dept. Physiotherapists may still be needed but can still be replaced afterall physiotherapy is a heck in Nigeria. If docs chose not refer their patients to private laboratory and then make that of private clinics cheap. The health scientist will suffer abjectly in Nigeria.

JOHESU is not an issue. They will come back divided especially when their demands are unmet.


I have never seen a policeman as chief of defence staff. The position automatically belongs to the Army.
I wonder why paramedics chew more than they can bite.

Your head is not correct. Go and sleep so that your brain will reboot and receive common sense because your statement shows you stay in dreamland.

Jman06:
You are the one exposing your ignorance! Have you no shame

What does a clinical pharmacologist know about drug production Tufiaaa!!! Nigerian medical doctors are the most ignorant and insecure people i have ever seen!

I would not educate you on the difference between pharmacology and pharmacy so that you will continue to expose your ignorance for the whole world to see.

We ll even enlighten u more abt pharmacognosis and pharmocovigilance as well as pharmacy in its entirety,
See my mother was a Johesu member like u guys but guess what whether Johesu likes it or not relativity is sacrosanct,

Thanks18:


Your head is not correct. Go and sleep so that your brain will reboot and receive common sense because your statement shows you stay in dreamland.

The problem u r having is that u attach to much sentiments to this emotional battering that ur inferiority complex is weighing down on u,
forgetting the fact that ur profession is nt a way of life but its merely just a handwork.

Its nt too late,u can go back n study medicine instead of trying 2 use shortcot to rip the glory u didnt work for right from the very beginning.

Keep quiet ,it's obvious you didn't not read the message.no body is against the increment of any johesu salary.there is a relativity clause .so why should a nurse thinks he or she should get same pay with a doctor? All this rubbish only happens in Nigeria .so why should a nurse want to be Chief medical director?when there is a chief nursing officer or chief pharmacist .the same johesu will bring their relative to doctors with Abeg not to thief fellow johesu.you come here and start typing rubbish.no wonder the doctors are all running away from the country .the next time you have an accident or needs emergency need go and meet johesu .then you will know the differ between the two set of workers.if you fill the money the doctors earn is more .then go pick jamb form and study medicine,anyway I am not supprised most of them really wanted to be Doctor .they could not meet the cut off or were withdrawn from medical school because of poor result.nonsense

shullamite:
At least its clear where the problem in the health sector is coming from now. The doctors don't want other staff to enjoy a little increament of salary even after government has increased their slararies more than Three times in in four years. This is just a case of wickedness and man's inhumanity to man. The doctors are not the employer of labour but they are telling government what to do. It's a case of eating alone and wanting other people to die of hunger even though there is excess food to serve everybody. Let the world see how wicked the doctors are in Nigeria.

Let me tell you the truth early this year the government of Canada increased doctors salary but the doctors refused the increament and told the government to use the money to pay other health workers and improve the facilities in the hospitals for patients to enjoy. But in Nigeria the case is opposite.

yassinattah:

We ll even enlighten u more abt pharmacognoSIS and pharmocovigilance as well as pharmacy in its entirety,
See my mother was a Johesu member like u guys but guess what whether Johesu likes it or not relativity is sacrosanct,

No be only pharmacognosis!

See them, enlighteners! Can't even spell correctly! Does he even know the correct name of the course


Mtcheeeww....kids everywhere

So what are the doctors envious of ?the nurse ? Lol.this one no sabi anything.you just dey type rubish.

obi4eze:

I'm telling you. I've never seen any group of people as selfish, greedy and envious as Nigerian doctors.

That nurse with 20 years experience will still call a doctor when his son his sick .the training of a doctor is different rom a nurse .you can google function of a nurse.all this rubish does not happen in private clinic because every body know their job description .

stonemasonn:
a registered nurse of over 20 years experience who is a specialist in say oncology should earn much more than a fresh medical graduate.

Moreover before government sign any agreement with JOHESU, government should include licenses and examinations every two years for all JOHESU members. No exam no license, no license no job and no salary review.

"If not for financial constraint and Nigeria factor" you see we are saying same thing.so go sell your father land then .them no dey catch late comer

positivethought:
pls don't say the door is wide open for anyone who wishes to study medicine,you know that if not for financial constraints n the Nigerian factor many would have been doctors today n some of you feeling cocky as doctors today wouldn't be, agreed doctors should be paid higher but let doctors stop the idea of wanting to head every single branch of the health sector now that there are qualified personnel in those fields simple.

No body is saying they can't do masters or Ph.D. But that is pure academics .she can go into lecturing .but in hospital setting she remains a nurse and has a job description .i am sure they are all aware of that

MrBigiman:


What Johesu wants is that if a nurse reaches level 15, then she and a Cardiologist at that level should earn the same pay, who does that? That what putting them at the same scale would mean.

yassinattah:

The problem u r having is that u attach to much sentiments to this emotional battering that ur inferiority complex is weighing down on u,
forgetting the fact that ur profession is nt a way of life but its merely just a handwork.

Its nt too late,u can go back n study medicine instead of trying 2 use shortcot to rip the glory u didnt work for right from the very beginning.

Chai
Who did this to you?
Wake up from your babbling and delusion And brace up to best international practices in healthcare systems. I will not join issue with you for I see you are overwhelmed by challenge posed by JOHESU to the decades of rot NMA had subjected the nation's health sector to. The shambled health sector must be revived and brought to its glorious days of 60s when Saudi royal family and Africa come to Nigeria for medical tourism. Those days, the sector was headed by any capable health worker. For your information, according to WHO global health system rating, Nigeria health was ranked 187 out of 190 countries surveyed. is that not shame of a country? So go and deal with your illiteracy as you are far from facts

kitone:
That nurse with 20 years experience will still call a doctor when his son his sick .the training of a doctor is different rom a nurse .you can google function of a nurse.all this rubish does not happen in private clinic because every body know their job description .

its not about training it’s about career progression. A nurse’s salary should not be clipped all because she should not earn more than any doctor. My relative in the US is a registered nurse with over 20years experience and she earn more than some doctors, although the doctors will eventually earn more within a short time as they progress, it doesn’t stop the fact that she’s climbing up. In fact she corrects and even tutor some young doctors on the field. It’s only in Nigeria a fresh graduate doctor will be feeling like Ben Carson.

stonemasonn:
its not about training it’s about career progression. A nurse’s salary should not be clipped all because she should not earn more than any doctor. My relative in the US is a registered nurse with over 20years experience and she earn more than some doctors, although the doctors will eventually earn more within a short time as they progress, it doesn’t stop the fact that she’s climbing up. In fact she corrects and even tutor some young doctors on the field. It’s only in Nigeria a fresh graduate doctor will be feeling like Ben Carson.

Its the same here. A Matrons salary is more than that of a House officer. So what's the fuss

kitone:
So what are the doctors envious of ?the nurse ? Lol.this one no sabi anything.you just dey type rubish.

They are envious of you. Mr Know-it-all.

emmanuelex1:
TRUE, DOES DOCTORS EVEN KNOW WE BUSINESS CONSULTANTS, PLEASE DOCTORS SHOULD FREE OTHER PROFESSION

The major work of a Scrub nurse @ the operating table is to handover instruments/Items to the assistant Dr surgeon as well as a leading Dr surgeon,so when the scrub nurse is then handed over the title of a consultant due to having been worked for soo many years, is it that the speed at which the instruments ll be passed in the operating table will increase or what,see dont make me crack my ribs with laughter for nothing,
Rada rada kawai.

Thanks18:


Chai
Who did this to you?
Wake up from your babbling and delusion And brace up to best international practices in healthcare systems. I will not join issue with you for I see you are overwhelmed by challenge posed by JOHESU to the decades of rot NMA had subjected the nation's health sector to. The shambled health sector must be revived and brought to its glorious days of 60s when Saudi royal family and Africa come to Nigeria for medical tourism. Those days, the sector was headed by any capable health worker. For your information, according to WHO global health system rating, Nigeria health was ranked 187 out of 190 countries surveyed. is that not shame of a country? So go and deal with your illiteracy as you are far from facts

Blame it on corruption in the government not Johesu:Drs saga.
U c why i said u Johesu guys are narrow minded is because ur ability to make logical reasoning to butress a valid point is hampered thats y u cant make an assertion that doesnt fit in as to the cause.
And this same Johesu person ll want to head me in a hospital with this his/her narrow minded ideas that i can stand,
That can never happen.
ALLAH YA KIYAYE.
Rada Rada kawai

emmanuelex1:
They even killed my dad. I hope to president this country some day just to deal with them thoroughly. I have a master plan already in my mind.

U two guys are just using ur singularised experience to trivialise this Drs to Johesu saga,
Please we are talking as a group nt bringing ur individual encounter to make a non valid point,
Besides u guys are nt Drs neither are u Johesu,but they are Johesu supporters,maybe u pple are just wannabes,so what is ur own now in this beef or are u two just exercising ur fundamental civic right of freedom of expression,
See u two should shift let us see road abeg.
Rada rada.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/News/15535067.Consultant_Physiotherapist_is_nominated_for_Clinical_Leader_of_the_Year/

Check out this link.

Professor Minister of Health, truth pays o!

NMA should please in the name of God save the future of Nigeria and allow justice equity and fairness to reign.

emmanuelex1:
Chai Nigeria is finished. A nurse should be able to communicate her concerns to the doctor or consultant as part of patient advocacy, also the doctor should also address the concerns with facts. Please you need travel out of this country and visit a hospital.

This thing happened in UCH Ibadan yrs ago oo,
A consultant surgeon made a treatment outline,a honorary consultant nurse was then the wife of then CMD in UCH ibadan and discontinued the consultant treatment plan and made her own treatment plan,she even said the consultant surgeon should have contacted her before making his plans.
guess what- d consultant nurse was stripped of her rank immediately because d then CMD was under soo much threat.

ocelot2006:


Abeg list the professions that make up JOHESU that are as rigorous as Medicine and Surgery. SIMPLE.

Define rigorous?
When a paying patient comes to a hospital they pay for value added they are not interested in the rigors you passed through.

That patient in aggregate is the one who should decide how pay is allocated .That is capitalism

If I have $1 billion to invest in a hospital would I make a doctor the CEO? Not necessarily because a doctor does not have the traning for that. Doctors have no training in budgeting,Financial Accounting,Management accounting,Operations Management,Industrial relaations,Workforce planning,Public administration,corporate law etc.
Nurses have more management training and experience than doctors . They manage a larger number of staff and relationships which make them better suited to becoming Hospital Manager and CEO.

The person who I would employ does not even have to have a health background at all.

The moment we understand this in Nigeria we can start moving forward.
doctors are entitled to insist on RELATIVITY based on their own experience of the world. Whether they get that is down to the market. I do not believe doctors should strike. If I was in a position of authority I will stop all these strike permanently. My solution. Sack them all, let them organize and employ themselves in cooperatives and sell their services to government. Then cooperatives can compete against each other ,that is capitalism.

This communist approach of drawing remuneration of unclear basis is outdated. In my regime we will develop metrics to measure the financial contribution of each individual worker and that is what would determine pay.
There are hospitals in this world that do only one thing e.g hip replacement or herniorraphy all day long 7 days a week. A surgeon can work as much or as little as he likes,there is always work. If you want to do 1 day fine you want to do 7 OK. You are paid PER PROCEDURE and penalized if the work has to be redone.
That is how it should be not talk about what you did to qualify.Who cares? The issue is how much is the market willing to pay for a hip replacement or herniorraphy. The same would apply to other professional. So if you do 10 herniorraphies a day there is a limit to what you can earn based on what the business can charge per procedure and its other costs.
A doctor performs brilliant operations but all his patients die because of fake drugs/materials or poor infection control of what use is his brilliance. There are others whose job it is to ensure drugs/materials are genuine and infection control optimal. Without them the doctor fails so who is more important? In my view no one.
So who should get more pay? This is determined by demand and supply and not by any intrinsic superiority as doctors like to pretend.
I have seen some specialist nurses and technicians earn more than professors because of workforce shortfall. If such "hgh" pay is sustained it will attract new entrants into the profession, demand and supply would change and a new equilibrium would be found.

This is an endless process in the market. Overall the equilibriating process seems to favour high wages for doctors but it is easy to wage war on that as a country by creating a new class of clinicians that are cheaper to produce over 2-3 year who can do a lot of what doctors( Medical officer class) do especially non-surgical conditions.
At the specialist level there is no competition but at the Medical officer level quite often others who are not doctors can be trained up at much lower cost. To my mind any doctor who does not progress beyond MBBS is a waste of space, One does not need to train for 6 years to do what MOs do especially in internal medicine in Nigeria


Let the market not strikes decide and the way to do that is to privatize. Then if one group is not happy they can quit

The sooner the government removes its hands from employing doctors and nurses the better. THEN pay would be determined by HOW MUCH MONEY followed YOU into the business not how hard your degree is.
Your economic value as a worker is the value the MARKET places on you not how hard it is to get your qualification.


Whether a goat eats grass or yam and egg . When it gets to the market it is just a goat

yassinattah:

This thing happened in UCH Ibadan yrs ago oo,
A consultant surgeon made a treatment outline,a honorary consultant nurse was then the wife of then CMD in UCH ibadan and discontinued the consultant treatment plan and made her own treatment plan,she even said the consultant surgeon should have contacted her before making his plans.
guess what- d consultant nurse was stripped of her rank immediately because d then CMD was under soo much threat.

My brother that shit never happened
That was a story concocted by MDCAN
Nothing of such happened

ayencoforequity:
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/News/15535067.Consultant_Physiotherapist_is_nominated_for_Clinical_Leader_of_the_Year/

Don't mind them
Every professional in the UK gets to become consultants in their career progression.
Consultant physiotherapist
Consultant clinical scientists
Consultant pharmacist
So far you fulfil the criteria to be named a consultant (after the rigors of postgraduate fellowship programme).

most submission here by meds is really dumb nd lacks intelligence. i see many saying go and take jamb form nd study medicine. my dear not evri1 wld wanna b a med. wht other professionals are clamoring for is to b given d opportunity to get to d peak of their chosen career as professionals without interference from medical docs using the offices of d minister of health and CMD's to suppress d growth of other professions in d health sector. if u studied medicine good fr u, u shld b more concerned abt carrying out ur duty dan interfering in matters of oda health professions.

The idea of doctor as "head" of medical team is one many doctors fixate on. The truth is that that is usually the case but it is NOT ALWAYS the case.
Many physiotherapists do their work without any medical input or supervision and are entitled to their own professional independence.

Outside of clinical scenarios as far as being CEO within a tertiary health institution is concerned,there is no case for doctors to occupy this position automatically.

The position of Chief Medical Director as we have in our teaching hospitals is obsolete. That position should be a CEO and open to competition from anywhere.
These hospitals should no longer be exclusively funded by government but be encouraged to commercialize themselves. It really is a disgrace that with everything on ground in LUTH that institution does not make money. Another Snake swallowing JAMB story

That place could make more money than some state government annual budgets. That will happen if it comes under an entrepreneurial management team
The first thing to be done is to collect data on those who travel abroad for healthcare, their diagnosis and budget and aim to get a share of that. No one teaches doctors to think like that They are trained to spend without thinking of where the money comes from.