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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by erico2k2(m): 11:12am On May 20, 2018
Printerscanner:


Is it creating problems for the British?
Yes, few brits are protesting that these artefacts be returned to where they belong or rent be paid on them as the British Museum is making money out of it.If you watch the news, few Statues of those who got involved in these trades have been brought down in recent years!

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by musicwriter(m): 11:12am On May 20, 2018
erico2k2:

yeah I get that, I was only going by what can be proven in a court of law. If you check you will agree with me these where for trae purposes not to steal but as you know it the heart of man is wicked, they looted, raped and stole.

Make no mistake, stealing was not an after-thought, but the purpose. Even before leaving Europe, they knew they were going to steal. They knew in advance because Rome already did the same thing to other European countries in medieval times.

Britain, France, Portugal, Spain, and all the other colonialists were simply repeating what they learned from Rome. In fact, when one honest British man returned stolen artifacts to Benin kingdom few years ago, the jotter that the invaders recorded their activities in the so called punitive expeditions labeled the materials as ''loots'' and ''more loots''. The soldiers on ground themselves said they came to loot!!. See below video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM8mNuZb2HY

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by PAGAN9JA(m): 11:14am On May 20, 2018
Danzazzausambo:
How have the idols we still have in Nigeria helped us? Please give us another story jor. Do you know what Africans have stolen and transmitted by transmission and omission from the whites? Let's have some omission Transmission please.

yeah those dumb jew idols of the man deity jesus havent helped us a bit

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by otokx(m): 11:15am On May 20, 2018
They can keep the artefacts as they will be better preserved there.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by PAGAN9JA(m): 11:16am On May 20, 2018
musicwriter:


Historians and Africans should stop using the above word that the British has put in our mouths through indoctrination a.k.a education. The so called punitive expeditions were ''stealing expeditions'' carried out all over the world in their greedy quest for world domination. The right word to use is stealing expedition or war of conquest.

How could it be a punitive expedition; when?

In 1887, the British dethroned king Jaja of Opobo and forced him to exile for refusing to allow British monopoly on commodity trade in his kingdom.

In 1861, the British threatened Oba of Lagos, Oba Dosunmu with war for refusing to sign a treaty surrendering Lagos to them as British protectorate. He later succumbed and gave up Lagos as a British protectorate.

In 1895, the British dethroned king Koko Mingi VIII of Nembe and sent him to exile for refusing to accept an exploitative contract term from the royal Niger company- a British colonial monopoly.

In 1735, a British delegation shot Oba Oresoyen in his palace for being stubborn and refusing to take instruction from Queen of England.

In 1897, the British dethroned Oba Ovonramwen of Bini kingdom and sent him to exile after unsuccessful attempts to lure him to surrender his kingdom to slavery. After he was exiled, the British called a meeting of the community, and in a triumphant tone, they said “you see, your King is gone!. From today, you have only one King and her name is Queen Victoria. Henceforth, she’s the only one you shall pay tributes to”.

In 1894, the British exiled king Nana of Itsekiri to Ghana and took over his oil palm factory and cocoa plantation.

In 1896, the British exiled king Prempeh I of Ashanti kingdom for refusing to offer them 50,000 ounces of gold at once, even as the king was begging them he can pay in installments starting with an initial 680 ounces down payment. The British took the 680 initial deposit from him and reneged from the agreement. Finally, the head of the British expedition ordered king Prempeh to vacate his seat and to sit on the floor. When king Prempeh sat on the floor, he sat on Prempeh's official seat and started verbally abusing the king, the Ashanti kingdom, and black people in general with all sorts of derogatory words. When he was done abusing the king, he asked the king to come forward to kiss his boots (his right and left foot) and the king did so. After humiliating the king in the presence of the whole village, he sent him to exile to Seychelles.

Note that king Prempeh did not owe Britain any gold as he didn’t have any business with them; rather, the British heard his official seat was made of real gold, they got jealous and wanted some of the gold. When Prempeh refused to give them gold, they threatened him to provide gold or have his kingdom invaded. The king under fear of exile signed he would provide the gold, but he didn’t have all of the gold at once.

In 1899, the British exiled king Mwanga II of Buganda a.k.a the Kabaka of Buganda to Seychelles. He was dethroned for refusing to convert to Christianity and also for refusing to sign a treaty with Lord Lugard granting Britain power over taxes in his kingdom and trade to the Imperial British East Africa Company.

In 1899, the British shot and wounded king Kabalega of Bunyoro in his palace for refusing to surrender his kingdom to colonialism. He was exiled to the Seychelles and the British installed a puppet king.

In 1883, the British pressured Oba Awujale Fidipote to exile in Epe, after threatening military invasion of his kingdom.

In 1896, the British sent Queen Yaa Asantewaa to exile to the Seychelles for refusing to submit to imperial rule. Queen Yaa Asantewa fought gallantly and was only defeated by a fortified British expeditionary force.

In 1891, the British dethroned and exiled king Waiyaki Wa Hinga. King Waiyaki had earlier made an agreement with the British to allow them settle peacefully in his land. As usual, the British reneged from the agreement few month later, and wanted everything in his kingdom including his seat. A fight ensued and they hit king Waiyaki with (simi) dagger on his head, and planned to take him to court for prosecution. On the way to the court they changed their mind and decided to bury him alive instead. Till today, nobody knows where they buried him.

In Kenya, Britain beheaded another king. King Hinsa or something like that.

The list of dethroned and exiled African kings is endless. There must have been over 2,500 of such cases as ancient Africa was ruled by kings. Every single African king had to be dethroned or exiled for his kingdom to be enslaved. The French, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, also have their share of these crimes in Africa.

Details at open letter to African kings and traditional rulers http://www.africason.com/2017/03/open-letter-to-african-kings.html

Very sad. sad
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by realmindz: 11:17am On May 20, 2018
OneKinGuy:
Returning it back to Nigeria will just add more spiritual problems for us. Lets just leave it there for the time being undecided
Example of some of the over brainwashed religious black slaves setting us back.
Don't worry, nature will ensure your kinds who think their heritage is demonic no longer exist in coming generations

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by erico2k2(m): 11:17am On May 20, 2018
musicwriter:


Make no mistake, stealing was not an after-thought, but the purpose. Even before leaving Europe, they knew they were going to steal. They knew in advance because Rome already did the same thing to other European countries in medieval times.

Britain, France, Portugal, Spain, and all the other colonialists were simply repeating what they learned from Rome. In fact, when one honest British man returned stolen artifacts to Benin kingdom few years ago, the jotter that the invaders recorded their activities in the so called punitive expeditions labeled the materials as ''loots'' and ''more loots''. See below video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM8mNuZb2HY
Bro don't worry about this, I have lived in England Long enough, I hve been to Liverpool and Southampton countless times so I understand.
Its strange how the English Omit this part from their history when you do the life in the Uk test. grin grin grin
Look how they treat china
http://www.britishmuseum.org/about_us/news_and_press/press_releases/2007/the_first_emperor.aspx
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by lawrence35(m): 11:18am On May 20, 2018
godfatherx:
Was it stolen or made a gift by the Oba of Benin?
I'm sure the Oba in council are aware of the presence of those artifacts at the museum. Do some background check before crying wolf.
Read history and stop making assumptions. The Benin kingdom rejected colonies.. one of the only kingdoms in Africa that stood their ground. For that reason, there was an invasion in which the oba was sent out to leave his remaining days in calaber and the arts numbering over 200 was stolen.
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by Yhemit(m): 11:19am On May 20, 2018
erico2k2:

I stil find it strange how youths born in Nigeria do not even know the geophysical demarcation of Nigeria, Those Artifacts are of the Benin and Yorubas trait!.Im sure the likes of you only travel btw Lagos and Ogun state thazzzzzit.So in ur waaap knowledge if you aint Yoruba or hausa you are Igbo?
This xplains the mass failure in O'level in Nigeria.

no mind then.... lack of knowledge in government / history.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by Nobody: 11:21am On May 20, 2018
erico2k2:

Speak of what you know, go to the Oba of Benin's Palace and see for yourself!

Well I have not been there and don't know what obtains there but speaking generally our maintenance culture is bad.

I still maintain that.


Where is Nigeria Airways
Where is Nigeria Railway (just being revived though) but can we still maintain it
What about the National Stadium

My guy I can't mention all.

Can you compare the National Museum to those pics on the thread.

Stop deceiving yourself bro.

Happy Sunday.
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by erico2k2(m): 11:24am On May 20, 2018
tamethem:


Well I have not been there and don't know what contains there but speaking generally our maintenance culture is bad.

I still maintain that.


Where is Nigeria Airways
Where is Nigeria Railway (just being revived though) but can we still maintain it
What about the National Stadium

My guy I can't mention all.

Can you compare the National Museum to those pics on the thread.

Stop deceiving yourself bro.

Happy Sunday.
let me point you to a quote
try and visit the museums in china, its nothing spectacular but check this
http://www.britishmuseum.org/about_us/news_and_press/press_releases/2007/the_first_emperor.aspx

They don't have to remain on home land cos things like this are not always valued where they come from, we can make loads of money from it if we trade them round the world like the Chinese are doing!
The Oba of Benin still have the original Mud hot from his ancestors inside the palace, swords from his fore fathers and loads of carvings.
My Granddad was 115 when he dies, he had Beads from his great grand father still, so that's nearly 350 years Old. One stubborn far cozen stole and sold part of it back in the days
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by Nobody: 11:25am On May 20, 2018
MrsNwaAmaikpe:
shocked shocked

Honestly, those artworks look beautiful and adorable in the British Museum.

Nevertheless, anything stolen by a thief no matter its worth, will be worth less in the palace of the thief

Africa doesn't value its own. Have you even visited the benin Museum to see the artifacts present there? Leave it there or return it to Nigeria and endless dust at your own peril


Return those art works to Benin and watch them glitter with importance and value
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by Ideagatesauto: 11:25am On May 20, 2018
Abeg, leave the sculptures and carvings there. At least they spend a fortune maintaining and keeping them in top form.
The lots and lots of them we have in Nigeria have either been abandoned or burnt by one prayer warrior.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by ariesbull: 11:26am On May 20, 2018
erico2k2:

What war plz

Benin invasion when they exiled the oba to Calabar

Oh these kids...they need to read history .. God no go bless that person that removed history from school

Just look at the question my son is asking
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by simeotexy: 11:27am On May 20, 2018
i hate art stuffs
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by musicwriter(m): 11:27am On May 20, 2018
PAGAN9JA:


Very sad. sad

So sad bro.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by dfrost: 11:27am On May 20, 2018
erico2k2:

Wont it be nice if rent is paid on them? DO you know how much the British make from them being displayed??

We will loot the rent.
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by MisterGrace: 11:28am On May 20, 2018
HtwoOw:
Ya, you went there to ask them to return it with immediate effect

Bros abeg, who be you ??


Jumaji ?

I used to have a colleague with a negative mindset as you.
I dumped him out of my pursuit. Today, he's still job hunting and I own a consulting firm and
a small factory.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by erico2k2(m): 11:28am On May 20, 2018
ariesbull:


Benin invasion when they exiled the oba to Calabar

Oh these kids...they need to read history .. God no go bless that person that removed history from school

Just look at the question my son is asking
ahahahahah whast the difference between an invasion and a war
let me enlighten you a bit, War is to fight defeat a next army of another country, region or ethnicity
Invasion n the other hand is to capture territories and entry not authorised, invasion does not always have to be got by fighting. If U don't belive this or understand, U can do Google, I know U r there already still searching!
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by gregyboy(m): 11:29am On May 20, 2018
Returning it is not the issue but maintaining it...

Perhaps it is too much for the benins to handle for now....its more than 2000 worth of art piece we have not yet built back the benin walls nor maintain the moat or even the Benin museum its terrible....

If its to collect the important ones leave the rest till when nigeria it better then we could take all back....

The art are in most world power countries just name it ....if not the entire Europe its going ti be difficult to fight all of them ...oba should collect the important one then the british should come to nigeria and make a dublicate of the art work been taking simple.....
But the british sha they wanted to eliminate the full benin race
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by erico2k2(m): 11:29am On May 20, 2018
dfrost:


We will loot the rent.
who is we?
The Oba of Lagos or Benin ??
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by erico2k2(m): 11:31am On May 20, 2018
gregyboy:
Returning it is not the issue but maintaining it...

Perhaps it is too much for the benins to handle for now....its more than 2000 worth of art piece we have not yet built back the benin walls nor maintain the moat or even the Benin museum its terrible....

If its to collect the important ones leave the rest till when nigeria it better then we could take all back....

The art are in most world power countries just name it ....if not the entire Europe its going ti be difficult to fight all of them ...oba should collect the important one then the british should come to nigeria and make a dublicate of the art work been taking simple.....
But the british sha they wanted to eliminate the full benin race
Plz when was the last time you went to the Benin Museum? I was there two years ago, when did you last go there?
FYI part of the Moat is still visible, the present govt is trying really hard to rejuvenate its past historical stand
PS I not from Edo but just like its rich heritage as regards History.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by Nobody: 11:32am On May 20, 2018
pawshjai:
lmao....true ooo..true...i concur wif u
so why has it not cause spiritual problems in England? Nigerians and their gullible stupid spiritual believes.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by nextstep(m): 11:32am On May 20, 2018
It's true these exhibits were stolen, and maybe we can encourage the British Museum to indicate the methods by which they came across them.

But to be honest, the British Museum is the best place for them:

1. the exhibits will be well maintained, unlike our museums here where most pieces are left undusted for years.

2. vastly larger number of people will be exposed to these artifacts, than if they came here. There were over 7 million visitors last year... our Museums can barely boast of a few hundred thousand. Yes we can get more visitors, but it involves improving airports, infrastructure and security.

3. We'd sendup spending a few 10s of millions of pounds to get these exhibits back... even if they were returned for free, we know gov't officials will inflate the cost of packing and repatriation.

Let's not kid ourselves... maybe when our public institutions get their acts together and demonstrate they can preserve and exhibit artifacts as well as other places in the world, I would consider bringing them back home. I've been to museums in different parts of Nigeria, and gov't really needs to up their budget in maintaining these places.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by dermmy(m): 11:32am On May 20, 2018
OneKinGuy:
Returning it back to Nigeria will just add more spiritual problems for us. Lets just leave it there for the time being undecided

Are you joking? These things are pointers to our past civilization because the white man would always say Africans have no history/civilization now u are saying it would add to our spiritual problem. What is Spiritual about these things? So sad too bad. I blame our leaders for this they should have made history compulsory for everyone, Africans don't know their history and past civilization

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by babadee1(m): 11:32am On May 20, 2018
Sarkin:
Or sold.

IPOB AND CRIMES...

SINCE 1804 THEY HAVE BEEN SELLING THEIR PEOPLE AND EVEN THEMSELVES.

Bini culture is by far closer to Yoruba than to Igbo. They share a great deal of history and tradition in common.
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by azcute(m): 11:35am On May 20, 2018
you fit see wakanda artifacts there, help them to return it
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by Nobody: 11:36am On May 20, 2018
OneKinGuy:
Returning it back to Nigeria will just add more spiritual problems for us. Lets just leave it there for the time being undecided
so why has it not caused or Added any spiritual problems in England? Nigerians and their stupid, dumb and gullible superstitious believes.

our nigerian Ancestors managed to survive without all these spiritual, Church and christianity bull shiitts!! herdsmen are busy killing nigerians and you are worried about pieces of wooden sculptors. while the real problem lays in your back yard.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by erico2k2(m): 11:36am On May 20, 2018
babadee1:


Bini culture is by far closer to Yoruba than to Igbo. They share a great deal of history and tradition in common.
I don't even think there is any Igbo sculpture there .its the Benin's ,Yoruba's ,Nok and Fulani's and Hausas.

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Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by Harmoneasy: 11:38am On May 20, 2018
Dion Osagie from Edo state.?

Done change to afonja abi?
Some people go just read something even when dem no understand, dem no go ask credible questions, but na to yarn opata be their only way...

Those artifacts were not sold out, they were stolen way back in 1897, my naija people go and watch the movie invasion 1897 to learn more or rather see wikipedia for more details..
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by Iko5000: 11:38am On May 20, 2018
CHINA is already raping Africa resources twice as much with more devastating consequences. This is where we should concentrate out efforts on.

humblenature:
lipsrsealed

"The greatest fraud/theft the world has ever know was perpetrated by the romans and the British"

Pls Britain, bring back all our stolen artifacts. You are still keeping thousands of them.

Is it your own?. Ehn answer me?

You took us slavery, took our territory and now you give us freedom. True Freedom is not given.

If we are free then why are you still stealing from us?... Why can't you leave us alone?

Must we be gay like you?.. Is it by force? You also want to steal our morality?

Please you have your own sculptors.. Pls return our piece of art before I.......
Re: Nigerian Man Visits British Museum, Spots Stolen Benin Kingdom Artifacts. Photos by erico2k2(m): 11:39am On May 20, 2018
dermmy:


Are you joking? These things are pointers to our past civilization because the white man would always say Africans have no history/civilization now u are saying it would add to our spiritual problem. What is Spiritual about these things? So sad too bad. I blame our leaders for this they should have made history compulsory for everyone, Africans don't know their history and past civilization
YOu my friend is not far from the truth, This is why I'm so happy with Nollywood, some brits find it xtreemly hard to believe we have such wonderful Buildings and scenario in Nigeria let alone the whole of Africa.

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