rvp20182:
Safaricom was not started by any "white" man - it was started by Kenyans and Vodafone were brought in as strategic partners 3yrs later.

Safaricom Public Limited Company, is a leading mobile network operator in Kenya. It was formed in 1997 as a fully owned subsidiary of Telkom Kenya. In May 2000, Vodafone Group PLC of the United Kingdom acquired a 40% stake and management responsibility for the company

254tobby:

rvp20182:
Safaricom was not started by any "white" man - it was started by Kenyans and Vodafone were brought in as strategic partners 3yrs later.

Safaricom Public Limited Company, is a leading mobile network operator in Kenya. It was formed in 1997 as a fully owned subsidiary of Telkom Kenya. In May 2000, Vodafone Group PLC of the United Kingdom acquired a 40% stake and management responsibility for the company

Obi1kenobi:


I have no hate for Dangote certainly. He's simply smarter than many of his peers who have no vision. But I don't see the local production of cement as a positive. As imports were banned, the price exploded as Dangote made absolutely ridiculous profit margins with little oversight or regulation into what he and the cement cartel are doing. Check Dangote cem financial reports. I've read Bloomberg and Wikileaks articles that were highly critical of a very lax regulatory framework that allowed him rip off Nigerians with the highest cement price in the world. Dangote has been making profits of over 50% of his revenue when most cement companies in the world are lucky to make 5%. What is the point extolling the virtues of local production if the local prices aren't competitive?

I actually fear for this refinery he is building that everyone is making noise about. Dangote is a ruthlessly ambitious man with clear ambitions to become a global player and accelerate up the Forbes Rich List. Give a guy like that a monopoly over your crude products with little oversight over his profiteering ambitions and don't be surprised to find yourself buying your petrol at double its price while we boast that we have one of the richest men in the world and forget the hardship we have to shoulder for his ambitions.

kikuyu1:


Hmmmm.....in Dangoland cement averages 2500-2800 naira per bag and here 580 shs, 3.7 naira is one kshs you're paying roughly 700 shs or 18% above. We told you many times your Sultan of cement only survives via monopolies which is why he can't make it here! Look at RSA cement at 55 rand or 440 ksh,Sri lanka 640 ksh,Uganda sells slightly higher than us at 750-800.
Why is the 'Giant' paying so much for cement? Not hating-a genuine question,though I have suspicions shared by many here.

254tobby:


Guy you're freakingly stupid,who told you that safaricom was started by a white man,and the mpesa idea?

Safaricom which was an affiliate of vodacom was owned by the Kenyan government being the main shareholder 60% while 35% shares was for the company at that time then.
safaricom is a fully KENYAN indegene telco subsidiary which has been runned and operated by black Kenyans themselves,not like mtn a south African company that is raking in money from Nigeria tele sector,infact its the largest telco company in Nigeria,a foreign company .

Do you really even know how mpesa came into existence in Kenya? The mpesa idea was invented by a black Kenyan,infact he was a university computer science student at Jomo Kenyatta university of science and technology back in 2007,then the whites which you claim brain drained that innovation to commercialize it.
Mpesa is a Kenyan tech start up,even some white nations like India,Afghanistan,Romania,Albania took a leaf from us,and here in Africa soon mpesa will enter into your country the giant ,Ghana and Angola very soon.

Well,Nigerians are used to natural jealous,you like disputing that everything in Kenya is owned by a white.They never want to see other African nations overtake them.

And don't lie to me that innoson is 100% owned by Nigerian,one of your fellow dudes posted an article in the vanguard to this thread about the innoson stuffs,you think I don't follow the pages on this thread??

If you know nothing about Kenya,just shut your dirty mouth up,okay?instead of using filthy excuses to defend your egos,as for me,I don't know what's happening in Nigeria and I don't even bother to know.

Obi1kenobi:


Stop using phrases like that. It is wrong. We're all Africans here. Mind you, Indians are major players in Nigeria's manufacturing sector. Go to industrial estates in Isolo, Ilupeju, Ikeja, Agbara etc and it's overrun with Indians everywhere. They either own factories or indigenous owners bring them to run most of the factories. If it's not Indians, it's Lebanese or Chinese people. I guess that makes us "slaves" too.

mtis:


Your thoughts are wicked my Nigeria broda.Indians, Whites, Arabs an others are also Kenyans. I think ya mentality is representation of what wrong with Nigeria. Dude it’s not a must for one to look like you to qualify as African (personally I got issues with your head shape ) .Man ya got this typical mentality of a deported Nigeria.
I can bet that you gt issues with these photos…Its all Kenyan

obaaderemi:
No you are wrong, man. The Indians have far more influence in Kenya than our local businessmen will ever allow here. In fact, the richest Kenyan is Indian.

Obi1kenobi:
To be honest, Kenya is a more sophisticated economy than Nigeria. Blame the resource curse. We were well on track after independence with economic vibrance matching the Asian tigers until we were cursed to discover oil and every other industry collapsed as we've spent the last few decades in stupor counting "oyel money". We had entire regions that were once productive and self-sustaining completely dependent on oyel money from the Niger Delta. Blame that for our problems. I don't think many people on this thread understand just how wrecked this country is by the curse of oil.

Obi1kenobi:


And one of the richest Nigerian men, Gilbert Chagoury, is Lebanese. So what? Again, Nigeria's industries are mostly run by Indians - whether in Lagos, Ogun or Kano. Even mining companies like NIOMCO in Itakpe, and the famous biggest failure of Nigerian industry, Ajaokuta Steel, are run by Indians. What is wrong in having a multi-racial society and why throw around derogatory words like "slave"?

obaaderemi:
Chagoury is not the richest Nigerian, not by a long chalk. The Indians in Nigeria do not have as much influence here like they do in Kenya.

obaaderemi:
I can see you are trying hard to be politically correct here. It's good as it will help sooth the Kenyans' frayed nerves. They have been so angry lately by all the exposure here. But to be honest,you are wrong, bro. Their economy is not as sophisticated as they have made you believe. We've shown that in IT Nigeria leads them, in agriculture we rake in more money per capita than Little India, in manufacturing, our PMI is higher, in spite of poor power supply. Nigeria exports cars and boats, little India doesn't. The only thing they seem to enjoy more is power supply-this is due to corruption in our power sector, heck! Even Togo and Benin republic enjoy more power supply especially in their capitals. So Nigeria deserves a lot of respect and when I say that I don't mean our stupid leaders. How come Kenya a country of just 48 m and relative peace is struggling hard with Nigeria, a country of 180 m with about 50m northerners who are mostly illiterate and backward, in terms of developmental stats? That's the question you should ask. If the Kenyans understand this little fact, they will weep.

Obi1kenobi:


Again, mixing up relative statements with absolutes. Kenya is not a sophisticated economy. It's a poor country. A sophisticated economy is Switzerland or Norway or Finland or Israel. But Kenya is a more sophisticated economy than Nigeria. It is more diversified. The organized private sector is more influential. Financial services are more advanced. They generate more revenue from taxes and consequently run a budget comparable to Nigeria despite about a quarter of Nigeria's population. Public infrastructure from education to health to transportation are superior. Tourism is booming. Pretty much every human development index report anyone can cite ranks Kenya above Nigeria.

I'd have thought these things are empirical, but you seem to consider them somehow disputable. Yes, Nigeria's North drags the country backwards, but it's still part of Nigeria, so we can't exclude it when talking about Nigeria.

obaaderemi:
If you don't know you are being deceived by these Indians, you are dumber than I thought. It's all business to them.

NairobiWalker:


1. Kenya's GDP was $70 billion in 2016. We are in 2018 buddy. Move with time.

2. If Lagos contributes 20% of Nigeria's GDP, then its GDP is not $136 billion as y'all have been claiming here all through but a mere $51 billion - making it just slightly bigger than Nairobi's yet with 4 times Nairobi's population. This then means all the noise you guys have been making about Lagos' GDP being bigger than Kenya is bull.shit. The bad thing about lying is the liar forgets what and how he lied and ends up contradicting himself.

3. If you can't understand the simple fact that Lagos has benefitted enormously from oil then I have nothing more to tell you.

4. Saying Lagos' GDP is 20% of Nigeria's GDP and Lagos' GDP is bigger than Kenya's in the same post confirms 3 things about you.

i) You have poor Mathematical knowledge
ii) You're a liar.
iii) You're stupid.

5. Saying it's the federal revenue that's dependent on oil and not the GDP confirms five things about you.
i) YOU'RE STUPID.
ii) YOU'RE STUPID.
iii) YOU'RE STUPID.
iv) YOU'RE STUPID.
v) YOU'RE STUPID.

GERALD710:

And yet we have entire communties made up of different ethnicities.
Last I checked where I come from Swahilis are the majority and they are a mix of Arab and African.
Kikuyus are a mix of everything.Some have Maasai ancestry (like the firstand current president and half the people in Kiambu county).All Kikuyus have some Cushitic ancestry because they absorbed the Athi tribe which lived in Central Kenya prior to the Bantu migration and in Nyeri many have some Arab ancestry(Hence the stereotype of Nyeri people being lighr in color and being husband beaters).Around missionary centres and in the former White Highlands some European ancestry exists as well (Tumutumu in Nyeri for example).
That is why Kikuyus come in all colors and sizes.As dark as Wangari Maathai and as light as Brenda Wairimu .As Cushitic looking as Marya and as swahili looking as Nic Wangondu.
In Busia County,a mix of Luos and Luhyias is very common.
More than half the Samburu have Rendille ancestry!!!Rendilles practise monogamy ,as a result they always had excess women.These women were usually married off to the Samburu.
Borana-Meru intermarriages are very common as well.
What the hell are you talking about?

Obi1kenobi:
To be honest, Kenya is a more sophisticated economy than Nigeria. Blame the resource curse. We were well on track after independence with economic vibrance matching the Asian tigers until we were cursed to discover oil and every other industry collapsed as we've spent the last few decades in stupor counting "oyel money". We had entire regions that were once productive and self-sustaining completely dependent on oyel money from the Niger Delta. Blame that for our problems. I don't think many people on this thread understand just how wrecked this country is by the curse of oil.

nemesis8u:


Isn't it also applicable to Nigerian businessmens in other countries ?

It's all business for all businessman's be it a citizen or a foreigner or of any nationality.

As for Nigeria there r more than 100 companies owned and run by indians making them the 2nd largest employer after the federal government in the manufacturing sector.

Do u realise the portion of Nigerian exports these companies products comprise of .

Do u realise how much billion dollars of oil India buys as quid pro quo from Nigeria every year as a favour for allowing Indian companies to invest and do business in Nigeria.

Just a small example for you.....

Sunil Vaswani indian origin, chairman of Stallion Group, holds Nigerian and British passports.

"In December Nigeria’s government cited Stallion, alongside the sugar and cement operation owned by Africa’s richest man, Aliko Dangote, as the top two conglomerates contributing to its economic development."

http://www.forbesindia.com/article/india-rich-list-2015/sunil-vaswanis-stallion-group-makes-waves-in-africa/41359/1


So does all this make Nigerians/Nigeria indian slaves/ little india ?

Ur logic falls flat as u can't discriminate between citizens and expatriates unless Ur being racially biased

Making illogical concoctions is a stupid thing to do, as u can see is now evident .


As for Kenya almost all indian people r 2nd and 3rd generation Kenyans , those which remained or returned after discrimination in the 60s . But conditions r better now for every body to contribute to the prosperity of kenya irrespective of their origins. They have no connection to India , it is a thing of the past. They r lock stock barrel Kenyans.


Reminds me of Uganda , when Idi Amin drove out indians/asians and in the words of former British prime minister David Cameron Indians and Asians from Uganda ended up as "one of the most successful groups of immigrants anywhere in the history of the world" and on the other side Ugandan economy got tanked.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/expelled-in-1972-uganda-indians-lead-uk-s-brexit-trade/story-pTd42oVcbwljl1arMlGeFO.html

What goes around comes around....

Later

" when President Yoweri Museveni, who recently won a fifth term in office, seized power in 1986, he encouraged the exiles to return.

Now, despite making up less than 1% of the population, they are estimated to contribute up to 65% of Uganda's tax revenues. "

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36132151

My overall point being no point in leg pulling each other and learn to differentiate between citizens and expatriates.

Citizens who enjoy equal rights be it indians or whites or local people will fight for their country.

While the expatriates of any nationality will run at the first sight of trouble.

A person who discriminates one the basis of skin colour today , will tomorrow discriminate on the basis of tribal lines, ethnicity, linguistics against his own people be it if the same skin colour or same nationality.


In Liberia when the ex slaves from American were resettled , it was found after many years that the former slaves had enslaved the local tribes in the same way the whites in America had enslaved them.

Isn't it ironical ?
Does it not justify what I stated above.

And most importantly what is the point in talking about bad things in other countries ( applicable to all participants here )

Say if I am a indian and I wasted 1 hour of my life typing this , what have I gained ?

Are the Indian origin people or the expatriates gonna pay me ?

They won't even care and same situation is for everyone here , nobody gonna get paid or even applauded for Ur troubles here .

Just enjoy posting interesting things in Ur countries and appreciate others , then u will atleast feel happy when u log off.

TonyeBarcanista:
You de mind the guy? Na to ignore am sure pass...


Meanwhile, I'm a proud and patriotic Nigerian, it is very easy for me to say Nigeria is the best thing to happen after slice bread, but that would be mere opinion. Opinion is free though but facts remain sacred.

The idea behind this piece to to reawaken our consciousness and prick us to do what is right to make our country the greatest by exploring our potentials instead of engaging on social media brawl with countries that are clearly better than ours in every aspect at the moment.

Obi1kenobi:


Who said he was the richest before or are you deliberately misquoting me? He's one of the richest. That is what I said. Only Dangote, and probably Adenuga are wealthier than Chagoury. Of course Indians have less influence in Nigeria because there are 25,000 Indians in Nigeria compared to Kenya with over 80,000 Indians. This means there are 13 Indians in Kenya for every Indian in Nigeria per capita. This is despite the massive exit of Indians in the 60's after they were persecuted by the Kenyan government. The population was as high as almost 180,000 in 1962 which would have made them a large chunk of a far less populated Kenya at the time.

What I don't understand is your insinuation that Kenyans are "slaves" because Indians are successful in Kenya. You can argue whatever you wish without distasteful comments like that.

Obi1kenobi:


Again, mixing up relative statements with absolutes. Kenya is not a sophisticated economy. It's a poor country. A sophisticated economy is Switzerland or Norway or Finland or Israel. But Kenya is a more sophisticated economy than Nigeria. It is more diversified. The organized private sector is more influential. Financial services are more advanced. They generate more revenue from taxes and consequently run a budget comparable to Nigeria despite about a quarter of Nigeria's population. Public infrastructure from education to health to transportation are superior. Tourism is booming. Pretty much every human development index report anyone can cite ranks Kenya above Nigeria.

I'd have thought these things are empirical, but you seem to consider them somehow disputable. Yes, Nigeria's North drags the country backwards, but it's still part of Nigeria, so we can't exclude it when talking about Nigeria.

obaaderemi:
The fact remains they don't have as much influence here as they do there and can never do so. As to chagoury, in terms of wealth,he will have to queue behind the likes of Otedola, Ovia, Folawiyo and several others. Anyway that's not the point here.

Obi1kenobi:
To be honest, Kenya is a more sophisticated economy than Nigeria. Blame the resource curse. We were well on track after independence with economic vibrance matching the Asian tigers until we were cursed to discover oil and every other industry collapsed as we've spent the last few decades in stupor counting "oyel money". We had entire regions that were once productive and self-sustaining completely dependent on oyel money from the Niger Delta. Blame that for our problems. I don't think many people on this thread understand just how wrecked this country is by the curse of oil.

obaaderemi:
Of course Kenya is a poor economy and not sophisticated in any way. But who brought up the "sophisticated" talk?You did.So why get hot under the collar when someone else used the same term in another context?Do you realize how much effect drought has on the Kenyan economy? This past year it has led to inflation and hunger. That tells you the economy is still tied to agriculture. And some tourism too. That's the same way Nigeria's economy tailspins with poor oil prices. But even with that, did Nigeria not get out of recession? The kind of argument some of you bring here is appalling. I tell you again, in Africa big multiethnic countries are difficult to manage and if Kenya with its relatively small population is struggling in terms of stats with a chaotic behemoth, it shows that small country is really suffering. By the way, sensible Kenyans themselves know their economy is not diversified at all:

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/04/12/why-we-fail-to-diversify-economy_c1741509

obaaderemi:
No you are wrong, man. The Indians have far more influence in Kenya than our local businessmen will ever allow here. In fact, the richest Kenyan is Indian.

theenchanter:
a considerable number of African countries were ahead of the Asian tigers in terms of economic prowess, some were also matching of the likes of Malaysia n Co. Nigeria was not d only country to match Asian tigers in those days but see where we are today.

Secondly, oil discovery is actually a curse for Nigeria cos it made Nigeria to abandon other thriving sectors. But it's a norm for oil producing countries (excluding countries that had advanced economy before oil discovery). The last oil crisis rocked virtually all oil producing countries cos majority of them are dependent on oil, even Venezuela is still battling recession.

Check all oil producing countries from Saudi Arabia to Angola and even Iran n tell me how diversified their economy is.

Obi1kenobi:


The thing is countries like Qatar and Brunei and to a lesser extent, Saudi Arabia, can subsist on oil because they have so much of it relative to their populations. Saudi Arabia produce over 10 million barrels per day for a population of 32 million. Nigeria barely produce 2 million (when Niger Delta thugs aren't blowing up pipelines) for a population of almost 200 million. Nigeria would have to produce over 62 million barrels a day if we want to live like Saudi Arabia (over 30 times our current output). Qatar produce over 1.5 million bpd for a population of 2 million. And even these countries are still more diversified than Nigeria. The UAE have made Dubai a global financial capital and tourist haven, Doha in Qatar is a popular destination. Saudi Arabia receives 16 million visitors a year for Hajj alone.

I think only Venezuela, a communist state overburdened with their welfare system in a recession, and Angola suffered as badly as us from the oil crash. Iran have been forced by sanctions to diversify and create local content. You can't compare Iran and Nigeria in any indices. Persians are a very sophisticated, enterprising group. They'd be an economic giant if they didn't spend the last decades picking fights with the US, the West and Israel.

Obi1kenobi:


Because you deliberately skewed my comment. If I say Arsenal are a better team than Everton, it doesn't mean I think Arsenal are a great team. It simply means they're better than Everton. That I said Kenya is a more sophisticated economy than Nigeria is a comparative statement; it doesn't mean in absolute terms that Kenya is a sophisticated economy.

You struggle a lot with the simple concept of relative or comparative statements and like to distract with absolutes. Kenya is not a diversified economy by global standards. Compared to Nigeria, Kenya is a more diversified economy. Kenyans are "suffering". Nigerians are suffering more (and still beating their chests on the internet). Kenyans are positive about the direction of their country. Nigerians aren't. Kenyans ride trains and have train stations that look better than our airports. Nigerian governors are commissioning bus stops. Kenyan universities are ranked higher than Nigeria's underfunded hell-holes.

Now size is your excuse for Nigeria's backwardness when many Nigerians use the same size as some evidence of Nigeria's greatness. One, Kenya is hardly a small country. It's the economic giant of East Africa. It's hard to run a country with 50 million people. Two, China is far bigger than Nigeria and has left Nigeria in the dust decades ago. It's not an excuse. Nigeria's problem is running an unwieldy, impractical, unworkable, moronic unitary system where incompetent people run everything from the centre. Whose fault is it that we abandoned the system that worked for us just so everybody can count their share of oyel money?

Nowenuse:


The richest kenyan is not just an Indian, but the richest Kenyans are Indians. It is a plural statement.

The top 3 richest Kenyans are Indians..

Infact, check the top 10 richest Kenyans, apart from corrupt Kenyan political elite families, the rest are Indians. It's that bad.

TayserMahiri et al can attest.