tibaonnet:
Time for me to thank you guys for the help rendered on this platform. I followed all that were said here & I reaped bountifully. This is my first time of handling rearing of fish alone and you guys put me rightly on the spot and shamed those that were waiting to mock me in my area. They thought they won't do well but God surprised them. When Bobrisky talked about Formulated feeds for them I went for Ace(after a guy advertised it here). Feeding them Magots too and for just 3 months and 2 weeks some of them weighed 1 per kg while some above 500g. Planning to stock more than the last one.

Bia, take yaaa time.

Na our chairman, u dey call Bobrisky?

abescom:
Of Sketting, Ranna, aqualis or which feed?

Did you feed with other stuffs? Like your own formula? Maggot, interstine?

47bags of skretting, and no i didn't feed with any other supplements.

novexme:


Roofing or a form of shade is good for catfish production. Catfish naturally like shaded areas. So providing that for them increases their morale.

Thanx for the response.
I later saw the various quotations for the aerators.

novexme:


47bags of skretting, and no i didn't feed with any other supplements.

I find this difficult to believe. 1.1 KG average and you only used 47 bags of sketting? That's just wow.

More like less than 400k to feed 1500 fishes? And I am spending 1.6m for 4000 fishes?

novexme:


47bags of skretting, and no i didn't feed with any other supplements.

Whao! Average of 1kg in 4months wt 47bags of skretting.
Quite amazing.

How can I generate maggot for feeding post juvenile

abescom:
I find this difficult to believe. 1.1 KG average and you only used 47 bags of sketting? That's just wow.

More like less than 400k to feed 1500 fishes? And I am spending 1.6m for 4000 fishes?

I am yet to rare fish from the very scratch (fingerlings or juveniles) to table size(1kg and above).

But I HV been getting experiences from this thread and several other ponds.


From my findings, you seem to be on point with your feed budget of 1.6m for 4000fishes.
That is #400/fish.

For past 2days, I had to study the feedcost of another farmer from another website entirely.
And alas, his cost per fish fell to #440/fish.
Take note, he indicated that they are according to recent market prices of feeds.
Though he also stated that the #440 is for optimum result.

He was even prudent enough to use sinking feeds after about 2months of using floating feeds, yet it still arrived at a budget of #440/fish.

Though the cost of his floating feeds are #8,100 per bag(15kg) that's #540 per kg.
and his sinking feeds are #5,100 per bag(15kg) that's #340 per Kg.
This sinking feed rate is even more expensive than some local floating feeds like ACE.


It may still seem okay considering you can sell your fish for #700 each.

But by the time I calculated electricity, labour, medications and cost to the fingerlings/juveniles at extremely moderate rates, it all went above #550/fish.

I wonder how people are feeding at #350 and below(without formulated feeds).

I wouldn't credit this cheap feeding budget to aerator as novexme may do, because several other people here also use below #350 without the use of aerators.

Not saying his aerators can't make it happen, cos he seems like a very credible/well skilled/experienced farmer.


This is the link I got the estimations from:
https://divinefish.com.ng/wordpress/index.php/2018/03/25/cost-of-feeding-1000-pieces-of-catfish-fingerlings-or-juveniles-to-1kg-table-size-fish-in-nigeria/


Please Robonski15, u are needed here.
Please.

Nuliberry:



Whao! Average of 1kg in 4months wt 47bags of skretting.
Quite amazing.

If you start with juveniles...and play the cards well, 1kg avg at 4 months is the norm... greener hands often get 1.4 av...yes it is possible

As for the number of 15kg bags... Can't say much as that depends on several variables

fisher777:


If you start with juveniles...and play the cards well, 1kg avg at 4 months is the norm... greener hands often get 1.4 av...yes it is possible

We are amazed with the cost/budget of feeding.
Not the size the fish grew up to.

His 400k for 1500 fish means each fish consumed somewhere around #266.

Whoa! Quite amazing, to borrow the words of Nuliberry.

novexme:


47bags of skretting, and no i didn't feed with any other supplements.

People are demonstrating o! Oya come and defend this accolade you want us to give you!

nairamaniac:


We are amazed with the cost/budget of feeding.
Not the size the fish grew up to.

His 400k for 1500 fish means each fish consumed somewhere around #266.

Whoa! Quite amazing, to borrow the words of Nuliberry.

I get you. He will come and answer for the mathematics. He sabi calculation.

nairamaniac:


I am yet to rare fish from the very scratch (fingerlings or juveniles) to table size(1kg and above).

But I HV been getting experiences from this thread and several other ponds.


From my findings, you seem to be on point with your feed budget of 1.6m for 4000fishes.
That is #400/fish.

For past 2days, I had to study the feedcost of another farmer from another website entirely.
And alas, his cost per fish fell to #440/fish.
Take note, he indicated that they are according to recent market prices of feeds.
Though he also stated that the #440 is for optimum result.

He was even prudent enough to use sinking feeds after about 2months of using floating feeds, yet it still arrived at a budget of #440/fish.

Though the cost of his floating feeds are #8,100 per bag(15kg) that's #540 per kg.
and his sinking feeds are #5,100 per bag(15kg) that's #340 per Kg.
This sinking feed rate is even more expensive than some local floating feeds like ACE.


It may still seem okay considering you can sell your fish for #700 each.

But by the time I calculated electricity, labour, medications and cost to the fingerlings/juveniles at extremely moderate rates, it all went above #550/fish.

I wonder how people are feeding at #350 and below(without formulated feeds).

I wouldn't credit this cheap feeding budget to aerator as novexme may do, because several other people here also use below #350 without the use of aerators.

Not saying his aerators can't make it happen, cos he seems like a very credible/well skilled/experienced farmer.


This is the link I got the estimations from:
https://divinefish.com.ng/wordpress/index.php/2018/03/25/cost-of-feeding-1000-pieces-of-catfish-fingerlings-or-juveniles-to-1kg-table-size-fish-in-nigeria/


Please Robonski15, u are needed here.
Please.

[i][/i]Ceteris paribus, this will apply to 1000 juveniles not fingerlings

fisher777:


[i][/i]Ceteris paribus, this will apply to 1000 juveniles not fingerlings

Are u agreeing that it would cost an estimate of #1,600,000 to raise 4000fishes to maturity?

Or much more less than that using only floating feeds and sinking feeds all thru without any drop of formulated feeds or supplements?


U also said "this my maths would apply to juveniles, not fingerlings".

That means if it were fingerings, the feeding budget would have been more?

Is there anything that can be scarier than #1,600,000 for 4000fishes?

That is #400 per fish?


If you add labour, logistics, fuel for borehole, cost of seeds, I bet it would rise to almost #500 per fish.

Hop you know fish goes for #600 per kilo in some states?

The matter tough ohhhh.

Sorry guys, I don't know why I was placed on a ban. For almost 2days.

Guys I posted pics to prove what I was saying was true. The fact is it can be done, practice makes perfect, not that I am perfect o!!! We still dey learn.

Not only the aerators would do it, you have to get a lot of other things right.

You don't just buy the aerator and expect miracles to happen immediately. It's not a wonder machine, but it's a tool that can make wonders happen.

For me the below are very important:

1) Quality of the seed you buy( I bought mine from robonski's farm at ikola)

2) Type of feed
3) Water management and farm management
4) Other accessories.
5) Read a lot.

What the aerator does is to enhance their feed conversion ratio, reduce mortality and hasten their growth.

It even makes it possible to have a higher stocking density.

If you have heard of oxygen tanks that people sleep in to get younger and reduce the risk of falling ill, then this is something close to it.

Evening house, anyone with contact of a concrete pond expert in Ibadan. Needed urgently. Call/text/whatsapp 07039298244

novexme:
Sorry guys, I don't know why I was placed on a ban. For almost 2days.

Guys I posted pics to prove what I was saying was true. The fact is it can be done, practice makes perfect, not that I am perfect o!!! We still dey learn.

Not only the aerators would do it, you have to get a lot of other things right.

You don't just buy the aerator and expect miracles to happen immediately. It's not a wonder machine, but it's a tool that can make wonders happen.

For me the below are very important:

1) Quality of the seed you buy( I bought mine from robonski's farm at ikola)

2) Type of feed
3) Water management and farm management
4) Other accessories.
5) Read a lot.

What the aerator does is to enhance their feed conversion ratio, reduce mortality and hasten their growth.

It even makes it possible to have a higher stocking density.

If you have heard of oxygen tanks that people sleep in to get younger and reduce the risk of falling ill, then this is something close to it.

Good to have u back. Just had some vacuum to learn more of what u did or how it was done.

From pictures, it would be hard to show the feeding rate or that it took less than 50bags to have fed 1500 fishes with less than 400k. More so, I can't really tell the pictures you are referring to. Especially without the use of supplements or formulated feeds.

This is like twice cheaper than average.

Well, end of the day I believe its a combo of those 5 factors u mentioned.

I am yet to rare fish fully on my own. But I have a masters degree on theory from this robonski's thread.
Iv followed it for over 5years now. Though I have been practically involved several on some ponds.

One thing I told myself is I would get my seeds from robonski, whenever I'm ready.

Cos he made me know the value of good seeds/shooters from the very 1st day I jumped on this thread 5years ago.

But on another note, what is your feeding practice on your fish?

Do you formlate feeds in between to use such low quantity to table size??

How long do you feed with floating feeds before converting to sinking?

All the same, I appreciate you response.

fisher777:


[i][/i]Ceteris paribus, this will apply to 1000 juveniles not fingerlings

Are u agreeing that it would cost an estimate of #1,600,000 to raise 4000fishes to maturity?

Or much more less than that using only floating feeds and sinking feeds all thru without any drop of formulated feeds or supplements?


U also said "this my maths would apply to juveniles, not fingerlings".

That means if it were fingerings, the feeding budget would have been more?

Is there anything that can be scarier than #1,600,000 for 4000fishes?

That is #400 per fish?


If you add labour, logistics, fuel for borehole, cost of seeds, I bet it would rise to almost #500 per fish.

Hop you know fish goes for #600 per kilo in some states?

The matter tough ohhhh.

nairamaniac:


Are u agreeing that it would cost an estimate of #1,600,000 to raise 4000fishes to maturity?

Or much more less than that using only floating feeds and sinking feeds all thru without any drop of formulated feeds or supplements?


U also said "this my maths would apply to juveniles, not fingerlings".

That means if it were fingerings, the feeding budget would have been more?

Is there anything that can be scarier than #1,600,000 for 4000fishes?

That is #400 per fish?


If you add labour, logistics, fuel for borehole, cost of seeds, I bet it would rise to almost #500 per fish.

Hop you know fish goes for #600 per kilo in some states?

The matter tough ohhhh.

I feel you. I assume the issue here is the selling price of the fish...I mean..if the market price was 850-1000 we wouldn't bother spending 500/fish....I kno I am transmitting... Oya o.

Again remember bros novexme used skretting, that's like the top quality feed in the market, brother to coppens and zeiglar of good'ol days...add an aerator to it and keep the water good....you will replicate his result at four months... (Cost & result together)

Now here's the key-- let's imagine the culture process on a profit and loss graph where +ve(upper side) of x-axis represents profit margin and from the point of intersection between x&y axis downwards wiil be loss margin...let's use the y axis to imply number of days of fish culture.

If novexme didn't harvest at four months and decided to continue feeding his fishes, the curve that from 3 months continually went up the +ve side of x-axis will gradually begin to bend towards the horizontal seeking to and subsequently maintain a parallel with the y-axis... and if he exceeds 5 months the curve will start downwards towards the y-axis. At six months he (might) have reached the other side of x-axis if caution is not applied. I don't like all this mathematics but I hope you catch the transmission.

Those of us who were deceived in those days to use only coppens thru out an entire 6 month season can relate to this. For your 1.6 mill, I can guarantee that if you replicate his process and stop where he stopped you shouldn't be far from where he landed without getting close to exhausting your budget.

Evidently he did just 4 months but your 1.6 mill was meant for a 6 month game, Abi no be so?

And YES, if you stock fingerlings you will spend more.

If you have the skill to prepare good quality floating/sinking feed, you will spend far less.... Mind you sinking feed should be used only by experienced farmers please to avoid 'I shoot bird im mama fly'.


I have posted before that catfish consume the most at 4-5 months. If you plan to exceed 4 months watch your records that's when they will consume more (in quantity of feed not cost of feed-as the cost will depend on your feed choice).

Now I am upset with CAFAN and the likes for not regulating prices cos I feel that's one of the functions they should serve... There's is no damn reason why the cost per kg of a given brand of feed should be the same nationwide, while the market price per kg of farmed fish will have to vary by State. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. Satchet water is N10 nationwide, Big Eva water is 150 retail price in densely populated areas as well as in Asokoro and VGC even in front of aso rock!!! Tom, Vicks, Milkose, Indomie, Tummy Tummy, Peak Milk, Cowbell, all na same anywhere for we naija. Na only catfish waka come?

fisher777:


I feel you. I assume the issue here is the selling price of the fish...I mean..if the market price was 850-1000 we wouldn't bother spending 500/fish....I kno I am transmitting... Oya o.

Again remember bros novexme used skretting, that's like the top quality feed in the market, brother to coppens and zeiglar of good'ol days...add an aerator to it and keep the water good....you will replicate his result at four months... (Cost & result together)

Now here's the key-- let's imagine the culture process on a profit and loss graph where +ve(upper side) of x-axis represents profit margin and from the point of intersection between x&y axis downwards wiil be loss margin...let's use the y axis to imply number of days of fish culture.

If novexme didn't harvest at four months and decided to continue feeding his fishes, the curve that from 3 months continually went up the +ve side of x-axis will gradually begin to bend towards the horizontal seeking to and subsequently maintain a parallel with the y-axis... and if he exceeds 5 months the curve will start downwards towards the y-axis. At six months he (might) have reached the other side of x-axis if caution is not applied. I don't like all this mathematics but I hope you catch the transmission.

Those of us who were deceived in those days to use only coppens thru out an entire 6 month season can relate to this. For your 1.6 mill, I can guarantee that if you replicate his process and stop where he stopped you shouldn't be far from where he landed without getting close to exhausting your budget.

Evidently he did just 4 months but your 1.6 mill was meant for a 6 month game, Abi no be so?

And YES, if you stock fingerlings you will spend more.

If you have the skill to prepare good quality floating/sinking feed, you will spend far less.... Mind you sinking feed should be used only by experienced farmers please to avoid 'I shoot bird im mama fly'.


I have posted before that catfish consume the most at 4-5 months. If you plan to exceed 4 months watch your records that's when they will consume more (in quantity of feed not cost of feed-as the cost will depend on your feed choice).

Now I am upset with CAFAN and the likes for not regulating prices cos I feel that's one of the functions they should serve... There's is no damn reason why the cost per kg of a given brand of feed should be the same nationwide, while the market price per kg of farmed fish will have to vary by State. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. Satchet water is N10 nationwide, Big Eva water is 150 retail price in densely populated areas as well as in Asokoro and VGC even in front of aso rock!!! Tom, Vicks, Milkose, Indomie, Tummy Tummy, Peak Milk, Cowbell, all na same anywhere for we naija. Na only catfish waka come?

Very on point.

nairamaniac:

Good to have u back. Just had some vacuum to learn more of what u did or how it was done.

From pictures, it would be hard to show the feeding rate or that it took less than 50bags to have fed 1500 fishes with less than 400k. More so, I can't really tell the pictures you are referring to. Especially without the use of supplements or formulated feeds.

This is like twice cheaper than average.

Well, end of the day I believe its a combo of those 5 factors u mentioned.

I am yet to rare fish fully on my own. But I have a masters degree on theory from this robonski's thread.
Iv followed it for over 5years now. Though I have been practically involved several on some ponds.

One thing I told myself is I would get my seeds from robonski, whenever I'm ready.

Cos he made me know the value of good seeds/shooters from the very 1st day I jumped on this thread 5years ago.

But on another note, what is your feeding practice on your fish?

Do you formlate feeds in between to use such low quantity to table size??

How long do you feed with floating feeds before converting to sinking?

All the same, I appreciate you response.

Well my feeding practice was spot feeding and feeding twice a day for two months and once a day for one month.

I didn't formulate any feed, only gave them skretting throughout.

And also fed floating all through, easier to monitor feeding habit than sinking. A lot of feed wastage can occur when using sinking feed.

fisher777:


I feel you. I assume the issue here is the selling price of the fish...I mean..if the market price was 850-1000 we wouldn't bother spending 500/fish....I kno I am transmitting... Oya o.

Again remember bros novexme used skretting, that's like the top quality feed in the market, brother to coppens and zeiglar of good'ol days...add an aerator to it and keep the water good....you will replicate his result at four months... (Cost & result together)

Now here's the key-- let's imagine the culture process on a profit and loss graph where +ve(upper side) of x-axis represents profit margin and from the point of intersection between x&y axis downwards wiil be loss margin...let's use the y axis to imply number of days of fish culture.

If novexme didn't harvest at four months and decided to continue feeding his fishes, the curve that from 3 months continually went up the +ve side of x-axis will gradually begin to bend towards the horizontal seeking to and subsequently maintain a parallel with the y-axis... and if he exceeds 5 months the curve will start downwards towards the y-axis. At six months he (might) have reached the other side of x-axis if caution is not applied. I don't like all this mathematics but I hope you catch the transmission.

Those of us who were deceived in those days to use only coppens thru out an entire 6 month season can relate to this. For your 1.6 mill, I can guarantee that if you replicate his process and stop where he stopped you shouldn't be far from where he landed without getting close to exhausting your budget.

Evidently he did just 4 months but your 1.6 mill was meant for a 6 month game, Abi no be so?

And YES, if you stock fingerlings you will spend more.

If you have the skill to prepare good quality floating/sinking feed, you will spend far less.... Mind you sinking feed should be used only by experienced farmers please to avoid 'I shoot bird im mama fly'.


I have posted before that catfish consume the most at 4-5 months. If you plan to exceed 4 months watch your records that's when they will consume more (in quantity of feed not cost of feed-as the cost will depend on your feed choice).

Now I am upset with CAFAN and the likes for not regulating prices cos I feel that's one of the functions they should serve... There's is no damn reason why the cost per kg of a given brand of feed should be the same nationwide, while the market price per kg of farmed fish will have to vary by State. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. Satchet water is N10 nationwide, Big Eva water is 150 retail price in densely populated areas as well as in Asokoro and VGC even in front of aso rock!!! Tom, Vicks, Milkose, Indomie, Tummy Tummy, Peak Milk, Cowbell, all na same anywhere for we naija. Na only catfish waka come?

Ohhh. U are a genius. I'm grateful for the tutoring. What u simply said here was that its safer to stop at 4months or around that, before the LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS sets in.

If not for you, I didn't take note of the difference in my thesis and that of novexme.
Mine was based on 6 months, while he was for 4months.

But I also saw abescom post which validated my thesis(accurately).

But I really never knew that that difference in feeding would that much if you stock fingerlings as against juveniles.

You also said  "sinking feed should be used only by experienced farmers".

Pls what the worst or worse that can happen if not used properly?

And how are sinking feeds meant to be used?

It doesn't seem that technically-demanding. BT may I'm wrong shaa. Oblige me.

And haaa Bros, those other products are easier to have fixed prices nationwide.

They production and sales are done by companies.
Whereas catfish are mainly done by both companies and individuals scattered all other the country.
And catfish is a farm product.
Whereas Vicks, Eva, cowbell, tummy tummy are industrial- product.

Ever wondered why catfish don't have fixed price, yet geisha and sardine does?

U get my drift?

All the same, people like u, novexme, Robonski and everyone else on this thread makes me grateful to God that I lived in this generation.

U all have made it easier for us all to thrive in this industry.

I wondered how it would have been if I existed during that era u mentioned of being pressurised to use coppens for 6months??

Mehhhhn, I for follow the fish dey wack him Lems.

God bless u all.

novexme:


Well my feeding practice was spot feeding and feeding twice a day for two months and once a day for one month.

I didn't formulate any feed, only gave them skretting throughout.

And also fed floating all through, easier to monitor feeding habit than sinking. A lot of feed wastage can occur when using sinking feed.

Okay.

Nice one. U made lots of sence.
Thanx!

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nairamaniac:


Ohhh. U are a genius. I'm grateful for the tutoring. What u simply said here was that its safer to stop at 4months or around that, before the LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS sets in.

If not for you, I didn't take note of the difference in my thesis and that of novexme.
Mine was based on 6 months, while he was for 4months.

But I also saw abescom post which validated my thesis(accurately).

But I really never knew that that difference in feeding would that much if you stock fingerlings as against juveniles.

You also said  "sinking feed should be used only by experienced farmers".

Pls what the worst or worse that can happen if not used properly?

And how are sinking feeds meant to be used?

It doesn't seem that technically-demanding. BT may I'm wrong shaa. Oblige me.

And haaa Bros, those other products are easier to have fixed prices nationwide.

They production and sales are done by companies.
Whereas catfish are mainly done by both companies and individuals scattered all other the country.
And catfish is a farm product.
Whereas Vicks, Eva, cowbell, tummy tummy are industrial- product.

Ever wondered why catfish don't have fixed price, yet geisha and sardine does?

U get my drift?

All the same, people like u, novexme, Robonski and everyone else on this thread makes me grateful to God that I lived in this generation.

U all have made it easier for us all to thrive in this industry.

I wondered how it would have been if I existed during that era u mentioned of being pressurised to use coppens for 6months??

Mehhhhn, I for follow the fish dey wack him Lems.

God bless u all.

Thank God for everything. When to stop is up to you...your target weight, your preference, your practice. Robonski has talked about starting with a good quality feed and switching to a lesser cost feed option later. If done well It's the way to go if you wish to cut costs and still not stray from the profit lane.- when you can't make your stew like the restaurant down the road you blend your few tomatoes with eggs you bought across the road, all join if u sabi your right hand for inside kitchen.

As for sinking feed, I guess novexme cleared the smoke.

Bros o, fish is a product from individual farms-irrespective of farm size(it's still a company), Farms are companies, Companies make up industries. Fish is no different from rice, milkose cowbell, peak, and others which are also industrial products of their respective companies. Prices can be similar but varying greatly across states tho inputs are roughly same may not be a good thing in an industry... The economist will know better

fisher777:

Thank God for everything. When to stop is up to you...your target weight, your preference, your practice. Robonski has talked about starting with a good quality feed and switching to a lesser cost feed option later. If done well It's the way to go if you wish to cut costs and still not stray from the profit lane.- when you can't make your stew like the restaurant down the road you blend your few tomatoes with eggs you bought across the road, all join if u sabi your right hand for inside kitchen.

As for sinking feed, I guess novexme cleared the smoke.

Bros o, fish is a product from individual farms-irrespective of farm size(it's still a company), Farms are companies, Companies make up industries. Fish is no different from rice, milkose cowbell, peak, and others which are also industrial products of their respective companies. Prices can be similar but varying greatly across states tho inputs are roughly same may not be a good thing in an industry... The economist will know better

Thanx, lessons learnt.

Let me don't monopolize this wonderful thread.

Guys, abeg come and take over.

novexme:


47bags of skretting, and no i didn't feed with any other supplements.

47 bags of 15kg feed (705kg), to raise 1500 fishes to an average harvested weight of 1kg? This is so amazing. Please, what was the total weight harvested, and the total number of fishes?
Your result calls for extensive research work on " effect of dissolved oxygen on Catfish rearing ".

Please someone should help me.... I bought fingerlings last week and stock them in Earthen pond but they are dieing now

Please what should I do?

mgdimagaladima:
Please someone should help me.... I bought fingerlings last week and stock them in Earthen pond but they are dieing now

Please what should I do?

Sorry about that.
U shud hav used a holding tank to nurse dem for a while bfore transfering into the earthen pond since they ar fingerlings except if u are an expert...
Now Whats d size of d pond and hw many did u stock, u might hav to treat dem mildly.
How many times in a day do u feed dem