Everything we have done in Africa since independence has been a reinforcement of the colonial abuse on us.

The colonials divided regions arbitrarily not minding the political and cultural lineages and boundaries they met on ground. The practice continues till today....much much much after we have become accultured to the colonial cultural values in diet, language, dressing, living conditions, religion and even domestic habits. We have used western education to domeaticate the colonial mentality.

The new age colonjal master is not a white man....its one of us. When we depart from the colonial culture we qill be able to see and understand the points OP made, and then recalibrate and reorder the geographical and political space.

I get the OPs argument about geographical north and south!

If we were to take the two most populated states in the north and in the south and compare them using the last census figures, which region would come tops?

omonnakoda:

Do you understand the premise off this thread?
Please try to do that before commenting
Do not just jump in to start talking
First try to understand what is going on...

How is my comment out of line with the thread
Mtschww
Dull people everywhere spreading dullness

saaron:
If I m to consider your map, states like Plateau, Nassarawa, Abuja, Kogi will be termed Central states or Mid states or Middle belt as we call them now, not North central. while the likes of Benue and Taraba will be termed Mid western eastern states. The whole of South east and South South will be termed South. In real terms considering the map of Nigeria, there's nothing like South east and South south giving religious and cultural similarities.

You are derailing because you come with your own preconceived notions instead of an open mind and willingness to listen

We are not discussing SS SE North central and all of that here.

That is totally tangential and irrelevant to the topic so try to understand the topic

What has religion cultural similarity got to do with this topic.They are important in their own right but irrelevant


There is only one topic so try and understand what it is

Emeks008:
What baffle me most about this Geo political zone is how Cross river will be regards as SS and Abia state yo be SE.
just look to the map and tell yourself the naked truth.

I believe they segregate the Geo political zone inline with their language.

Another question is that who drafted the map in first place

you said it all. Nigeria is a country is mass scale fraud.

Asshurbanipal:
This is also similar to political SE and grohraphical SE. Geographically the whole old eastern region should be SE. geographically the boundary between north and south should be around southern kaduna

See this land grabber, you no well aswear.

Almaiga:


See this land grabber, you no well aswear.

This is why ekwueme separated you inferior fellows from us. Your paranoid is nauseating. Thank god he gradually succeeded in getting a pure igbo territory. How does an innocent discussion regarding geography become "land grabbing". Is that the only means of shoring up your low self esteem?

omonnakoda

Most of these are based on political leanings, ancestral leaning and less about Geography

raumdeuter:
omonnakoda

Most of these ......

Are we talking about the same thing?

omonnakoda:

No in geography you draw a line through the middle anything above is "North" and below is "south"

The purpose of this thread is "geography" to address the claims that the population figures are rigged.
I do not believe that is the case

Often it is said that across West Africa the population across the South is higher and why is Nigeria's different?
Those who make this argument are making a geographical argument

The geographical response is
Nigeria is not different

The geographical south in Nigeria is more populated than the geographical North because significant parts of the political North are geographically in the South
e.g Oyo is more "North" than Kogi or Benue.

In geography Norh South divide presupposes an "EQUATOR" ie equal on both sides so from a PURELY geographical perspective the South is more populated and we cannot argue that the population figures are rigged on those grounds
That is the point of this thread so please try to understand it thoroughly

All that talk of our fathers marryin 10 wives is irrelevant

If you divide Nigeria into two equal land masses North and South then there are more people in the Southern part. WHY

You're confusing population density with total population. Places with higher purpose economic activities and restrictive landmass tend to have higher population densities which in most cases hardly translate to higher population.

MalcoImX:
You're confusing population density with total population. Places with higher purpose economic activities and restrictive landmass tend to have higher population densities which in most cases hardly translate to higher population.

Kindly explain how I am confusing the two I genuinely would like to learn

Please show the the quote that is "confused"

omonnakoda:


Kindly explain how I am confusing the two I genuinely would like to learn

Please show the the quote that is "confused"

You cannot talk about Nigeria without being political, because it is a political creation.

Your concept of drawing lines (geographically) as basis for determining regions is flawed. Nowhere was that the sole criteria and hardly is it applicable. Even the French who tried to follow coordinates when delineating regions have to contend with other physical and social factors.

What you're trying to do is almost impossible. If you're trying to say the South is more populated than the North using your criterion, then it does not make sense, at least not in the context of Nigeria, which is purely a political creation.

Your South, North has no meaning because it is based on exclusiveness. The whole of Nigeria can be regarded as North if you take the geographical equator as a base, but geography is purely for location, the moment you start talking of countries then politics is more of the thing.

MalcoImX:

You cannot talk about Nigeria without being political, because it is a political creation.

Your concept of drawing lines (geographically) as basis for determining regions is flawed. Nowhere was that the sole criteria and hardly is it applicable. Even the French who tried to follow coordinates when delineating regions have to contend with other physical and social factors.

What you're trying to do is almost impossible. If you're trying to say the South is more populated than the North using your criterion, then it does not make sense, at least not in the context of Nigeria, which is purely a political creation.

Your South, North has no meaning because it is based on exclusiveness. The whole of Nigeria can be regarded as North if you take the geographical equator as a base, but geography is purely for location, the moment you start talking of countries then politics is more of the thing.

You are changing the subject please answer the question and stop waffling

How am I confusing population density with total population?

Do you accept that that emboldened claim is wrong? If not can you demonstrate it?

omonnakoda:



All that talk of our fathers marryin 10 wives is irrelevant

If you divide Nigeria into two equal land masses North and South then there are more people in the Southern part. WHY

The simple answer is water.
Not fathers marrying wives

That is your imagination, Benue , kogi , Nassarawa, Kwara are North central and it has been entrenched you just have to accept the arrangement. The Europeans colonial master designed north and south base on the similarities in culture and way of life among the people.You cant change anything.Just focus on your South and trying to create unity among yourselves.

MalcoImX:

You cannot talk about Nigeria without being political, because it is a political creation.

Your concept of drawing lines (geographically) as basis for determining regions is flawed. Nowhere was that the sole criteria and hardly is it applicable. Even the French who tried to follow coordinates when delineating regions have to contend with other physical and social factors.

What you're trying to do is almost impossible. If you're trying to say the South is more populated than the North using your criterion, then it does not make sense, at least not in the context of Nigeria, which is purely a political creation.

Your South, North has no meaning because it is based on exclusiveness. The whole of Nigeria can be regarded as North if you take the geographical equator as a base, but geography is purely for location, the moment you start talking of countries then politics is more of the thing.

You can see that you are empty
WHo is talking about regions or determining regions or the basis for that?

The sole concern here ,for me , is population.
Specifcally the claim that population has been doctored to favor the north and the argument commonly touted that there is a variation in North South population trend between Nigeria and the rest of West Africa.

If we are to compare population trends between Nigeria and Tiogo Ghana all the way to Senegal as some have done then surely that is a purely geographical exercise

No one is suggested that it has other application or generalisation

So first try to understand what is being said before jumping in all guns blazing talking about population density

We all know our political North South divide but that surely cannot be a basis for comparing population trends with Togo or Ghana or Benin.

Do they have the same Geopolitics?

The premise is that Across west Africa there is the Dessert the Savanna Belt and the rain forest and that population increases as we approach the coast and so "Why is Nigeria's case different"

What I am saying is Nigeria's case is not different if we understand the geography .

Instead of taking time to comprehend you react like a nuclear reactor

ImperialYoruba:
Everything we have done in Africa since independence has been a reinforcement of the colonial abuse on us.

The colonials divided regions arbitrarily not minding the political and cultural lineages and boundaries they met on ground. The practice continues till today....much much much after we have become accultured to the colonial cultural values in diet, language, dressing, living conditions, religion and even domestic habits. We have used western education to domeaticate the colonial mentality.

The new age colonjal master is not a white man....its one of us. When we depart from the colonial culture we qill be able to see and understand the points OP made, and then recalibrate and reorder the geographical and political space.

Colonial master designed north and south based on cultural similarities among the people , like Kwara is mixed with Fulani,Nupe and Yorubas they had to put it in the north.

It was a divide and rule tactics Op. There is no geography as South-south!

omonnakoda:


You are changing the subject please answer the question and stop waffling

How am I confusing population density with total population?

Do you accept that that emboldened claim is wrong? If not can you demonstrate it?

You said: "Often it is said that across West Africa the population across the South is higher and why is Nigeria's different?"

This is a general statement that refers to population density. It does not necessarily translate to higher number of people in a region. Total population refers to all people in a given region while density is concentration as a factor of landmass.

DMerciful:
It was a divide and rule tactics Op. There is no geography as South-south!

Sorry but you are derailing the thread like many others

This thread is about population

The question is whether the population trend across West Africa where population increases as you move from the Desert to the coast is different in Nigeria

That is the only issue

So please try and understand that

All those things you are mentioning are tangential

Benue was not originally in the northern protectorate cause there was no northern protectorate until British invasion. Usman Dan Fodio was conquering down south and the intention is to conquer until they get to the Atlantic ocean. They had conquered kwara kogi Benue along that axis before they were stopped by the British and that line the British stopped them is called the Kabba line and that marks the northern stretch hence the Northern protectorate. That's why they feel they own Nigeria because if not for the British, the whole of Nigeria would probably have been conquered. You can read the book a Biafran story by Frederick Foresight to get a better explanation. I used to have a PDF copy

omonnakoda:


Nothing to do with parasitism

Benue state was part of Northern Nigeria whic was a British colony/protectorate. That is how it came about .

Any how the purpose of this thread is not about those parasitism issues but a technical discusson about a purely technical consideration

MalcoImX:

You said: "Often it is said that across West Africa the population across the South is higher and why is Nigeria's different?"

This is a general statement that refers to population density. It does not necessarily translate to higher number of people in a region. Total population refers to all people in a given region while density is concentration as a factor of landmass.

It is a general statement that refers to population density? Where is the evidence for this?

That is what you believe.
There is no evidence whatsoever for this claim. You just made that up here

I never expressed solidarity one way or another with the claim rather I am interrogating it
How does that then translate to ME confusing population density with total population

But in the grand scheme of things the North is not especially far from the Atlantic Ocean, so what factor will be responsible from North-South population decline?

omonnakoda:
Sorry but you are derailing the thread like many others

This thread is about population

The question is whether the population trend across West Africa where population increases as you move from the Desert to the coast is different in Nigeria

That is the only issue

So please try and understand that

All those things you are mentioning are tangential

DMerciful:
But in the grand scheme of things the North is not especially far from the Atlantic Ocean, so what factor will be responsible from North-South population decline?

Welll I am not saying this is a factual reality though I could theorize on it I prefer not to

The fact is many people believe it and tout it as evidence for population reigging.

I am just stating that whatever the cause there is no difference in Nigeria

omonnakoda:

It is a general statement that refers to population density? Where is the evidence for this?

That is what you believe.
There is no evidence whatsoever for this claim. You just made that up here

I never expressed solidarity one way or another with the claim rather I am interrogating it
How does that then translate to ME confusing population density with total population

You never expressed solidarity one way or another with the claim rather interrogating it by adducing reasons for their claim that your geographical South is more populated than the geographical North?

This was what you further said: "Those who make this argument are making a geographical argument

The geographical response is
Nigeria is not different

The geographical south in Nigeria is more populated than the geographical North because significant parts of the political North are geographically in the South.

MalcoImX:


You never expressed solidarity one way or another with the claim rather interrogating it by adducing reasons for their claim that your geographical South is more populated than the geographical North?

This was what you further said: "Those who make this argument are making a geographical argument

The geographical response is
Nigeria is not different

The geographical south in Nigeria is more populated than the geographical North because significant parts of the political North are geographically in the South.

I am sorry I cannot comprehend this post.

What is your point?

You started by quoting me saying I am confusing population density with total

I asked you to substantiate that and you cannot .
Instead you are going off at a tangent.

What exactly are you saying here can you summarize because I really do not get your point

omonnakoda:

I am sorry I cannot comprehend this post.

What is your point?

You started by quoting me saying I am confusing population density with total

I asked you to substantiate that and you cannot .
Instead you are ging off at a tangent.

What exactl are you saying here can you summarize because I really do not get your point

Omonnakoda you're being clever by half. You are also very shifty.

If you are trying to adduce reasons for why you think the South of Nigeria is more populated than the North just do so. Your creation of the phantom geographical North and the Desert to Coast population trend are only hypothetical. This is what you're not willing to accept.

Your division is not real, it does not exist and therefore cannot be a basis of analysis. And, if you are hypothesizing, you need data to support the claim, which you do not have.

Absolute locations, in geography or as you're trying to create are not for comparative purposes. They are purely locational and the analysis should be exclusive to your created geographical positions first.

MalcoImX:

Omonnakoda you're being clever by half. You are also very shifty.

If you are trying to adduce reasons for why you think the South of Nigeria is more populated than the North just do so. Your creation of the phantom geographical North and the Desert to Coast population trend are only hypothetical. This is what you're not willing to accept.

Your division is not real, it does not exist and therefore cannot be a basis of analysis. And, if you are hypothesizing, you need data to support the claim, which you do not have.

Absolute locations, in geography or as you're trying to create are not for comparative purposes. They are purely locational and the analysis should be exclusive to your created geographical positions first.

So your pointt is you want to abuse me?
Let us take it in turn

first you said that I was confusing population total with density . I called you out on that instead of addressing that you are now calling me names

Can you deal with that issue first?
After that we can address the other things but you cannot start something and then change because you do not like how it is turning out
Hpw am I confusing density with total

Asshurbanipal:

This is why ekwueme separated you inferior fellows from us. Your paranoid is nauseating. Thank god he gradually succeeded in getting a pure igbo territory. How does an innocent discussion regarding geography become "land grabbing". Is that the only means of shoring up your low self esteem?

You can only bark but you can't bite. Besides, that was just an innocent discussion as you stated. But in reality, both you and millions of your Ekwueme can't do shi.t.
Where I come from, we go just chop una raw.
Quote me anywhere.

omonnakoda:
So your pointt is you want to abuse me?
Let us take it in turn

first you said that I was confusing population total with density . I called you out on that instead of addressing that you are now calling me names

Can you deal with that issue first?
After that we can address the other things but you cannot start something and then change because you do not like how it is turning out
Hpw am I confusing density with total

First off, when you say this, are you abusing me?

omonnakoda:


You can see that you are empty
WHo is talking about regions or determining regions?

Secondly, I've addressed the issue of confusing population density with total population. Most of you who advance the proposition of the North not higher in population to the South are referring to population density. The only difference being here you're using a proxy to convey the same point.

BabangidaHamza:
Our Fathers and Grand Fathers marry four wives and have many children compared to those who marry one wife with 8 children compared to Northerners who marry many wives and many children

What use marrying 20 barren wives when only one southern woman can give you 12 children, if you need them for farming or whatever.

MalcoImX:


First off, when you say this, are you abusing me?

Secondly, I've addressed the issue of confusing population density with total population. Most of you who advance the proposition of the North not higher in population to the South are referring to population density. The only difference being here you're using a proxy to convey the same point.

My purpose is not to engage you at all

You quoted tto talk about population density totality and instead of addressing that when called out you go off at a tangent ranting


I am not advancing the position of the Nort not higher in population.

If you do not understand simple English why are you quoting me

I am advancing the position that the North as we know it 19 states is actally higher in population.
Also I am sayingg that there is a difference between the North as we know in in Nigeria politically and geographially when some people try to make comparisons with other West AFrican countries and that when making such comparison it has to be geographical or they are not comparing like with like

Clearly you cannnot comprehend and are just here to waste my time and play silly billies. I really do not have time for you and your nonsense so please naff off and stop ridiculing yourself

You quoted me trying to show yourself and have failed to address that singular point and are trying to change the subject ,not interested so please bugger off

Almaiga:


You can only bark but you can't bite. Besides, that was just an innocent discussion as you stated. But in reality, both you and millions of your Ekwueme can't do shi.t.
Where I come from, we go just chop una raw.
Quote me anywhere.

Stay away from intellectual thread and don't look for cheap attention to upgrade your inferior self. Thank God we now have a territory free from contamination