blacKDalia:



What type of ghost? The type that everybody sees or you only don't see?

i meant i have never seen even a pic of one in public or something like that

@above, remembering is vital, especially all of it. Lost the majority of family in that war plus wealth that would have probably made us now richer than Dangote and it was not because of the Nigerian side. All minorities count, the then Biafra under the yoke of Nigeria, Isokos and some others under the yoke of Biafra.

and another thing, individuals that dream of Karma do not even understand how it works. For a start, the perpetrators of “wrong” do not pay for it later in some form of restorative natural balance in nature unless they, perpetrators, experienced guilt at some point during or after committing that wrong. If Karma were a Class, guilt would be a class member function that returns retribution. Or something like that…

rugged7:
And who is talking about karma?
sometimes in life, you just need to shut up, think and reflect.
Not everything requires a combative posture.
#BiafraHeroesDay2019

#WeWillNeverForget

Where did it state you were talking of Karma?


I politely agreed with you that Remembering is important. And in another paragraph discussed Karma generally since the pictures remained me of how so many on Niraland that discuss Biafra often add that Nigerias problems are due to ills Nigeria perpetrated against Biafra.

Your response to me makes you out the Combative one and your advice best heeded by you.

rugged7:
#BiafraHeroesDay2019

#WeWillNeverForget

Touching. All due to an unfortunate misunderstanding.

Now,it is time to look forward, yes, it is instructive to study the horrors of our past, see the mistakes of our leaders, but ultimately, we must look to a future of unity and prosperity.

One single indivisible and indissoluble entity. Forever.

EVarn:
Touching. All due to an unfortunate misunderstanding.

Now,it is time to look forward, yes, it is instructive to study the horrors of our past, see the mistakes of our leaders, but ultimately, we must look to a future of unity and prosperity.

One single indivisible and indissoluble entity. Forever.

Evan, that future aught include some sort of apology to the Igbos, however justified the arguments, for we cannot dismisse the fact that a significant number feel and remain agrived. Perhaps compensations too, I don't know how considering the prohibitive costs, but maybe in the form of infrastructure after consultations, for instance building those airports, docks, and so on that many Igbo's feel central government denies them.

....these apologies and reconciliation negotiations dose not have to mean acceptance of all that the Nigeria side is accused of , which might run the danger of being weponised

ugo4u:

Person wey don book another flight for jamboree in Saudi Arabia tomorrow..

No be their children dey die na, as the pikin get accident e become national issue na.

Litmus:


Evan, that future aught include some sort of apology to the Igbos, however justified the arguments, for we cannot dismisse the fact that a significant number feel and remain agrived. Perhaps compensations too, I don't know how considering the prohibitive costs, but maybe in the form of infrastructure after consultations, for instance building those airports, docks, and so on that many Igbo's feel central government denies them.

....these apologies and reconciliation negotiations dose not have to mean acceptance of all that the Nigeria side is accused of , which might run the danger of being weponised

We all have to understand that the war was more an ego contest than a genuine fight for justice. Leaders on both sides just threw millions of lives away simply to make a point.


Thousands of innocent Federalists died too,not just the Separatists. Many people were made homeless orphans on both sides. So it isn't just the so called Biafrans that suffered all the hardship. The fact that the Federalists won is what is painting the narrative to suit the Biafran side.

The average igbo man always feels marginalized and exceedingly prone to victim mentality and self pity. This infact covers a more arrogant personality that is common with people of that ethnicity. They assume their business acumen to be unparalleled, and the difference between them and the Fulanis is that,while the Fulanis can show the result of their ambition and sense of entitlement by visible accumulation of political power,the igbos simply have a robust sense of entitlement but with very little to show for it. This is the simple truth.

If apologizing will ultimately lead us to unity, I believe the government should do so sincerely. But then again, the igbos also owe the country an apology for the reckless ambitions of Colonel Ojukwu.

At the end of the day,I believe the igbos should involve themselves more in politics and national affairs. The last election had a very low turnout from the south east,how do they expect to get power if they participate so reluctantly?. They have even refused to join the military, the last SSC witnessed a very abysmal turnout of South east candidates. Power doesn't come on a platter of gold.

We have all suffered enough for the sins of the past. It's time to move on.

Happy heroes day to our brothers in the south east,may we never carry arms against each other again...

rugged7:
You are a blatant and well known LIAR and BIGOT.

LOL....

Only an Afonja of your ilk will write this rubbish and with this level of confidence laced with delusions of grandeur...

Afterall, wasn't it your God-Awolowo who engineered "starvation is a weapon of war" that led to the deaths of 3 million biafrans?

In the same breath you accuse Ndigbo of wallowing in self pity and at the same time you accuse them of being arrogant.

You accuse them of not being involved in politics when we know that your illiterate president rigged the elections. In Lagos where they were heavily involved, your people hired thugs to assault and kill them.

Igbo acumen & methodology for business is well known and is studied in elite business schools here in western countries.

Igbo man no send you, from 20 pounds at the end of the war, he now has the highest health,educational and developmental indices of all 6 geopolitical zones- despite a concerted conspiracy to deny them infrastructure.

The evil Nigeria has committed is living with it now. A country that is on fire and falling apart .

I advise you to pay attention to your killing fields.

Ndigbo will always flourish, no matter what evil you people plan.

He who God has blessed, no man can curse.

Echi ga kan nma. Oga Nniru and one love.

Igbo Amaka

I am truly sorry you feel this way. I simply spoke the truth of the matter, my intention was not to provoke a diatribe.

I am sure you have very strong opinions and illusions. It is normal, and you are very much entitled to having them. However,I will encourage you to move on from harboring juvenile illusions to genuinely seeking for a progressive way to live with current realities. Like I said, we must move beyond the opious haze of dreams and fantasies, and look to participating in the process of building a more unified and prosperous nation.

Debating whether a certain tribe owns heaven and earth or possesses the business acumen of a billy goat, will not help millions of our people living in extreme poverty.

Anyway,let's not derail too much.

@rugged7

Please I'll appreciate you create a thread for such discussion: its totally way out of line discussing such matters here.
You are derailing the thread, thanks....

rugged7:
You are a blatant and well known LIAR and BIGOT.

LOL....

Only an Afonja of your ilk will write this rubbish and with this level of confidence laced with delusions of grandeur...

Afterall, wasn't it your God-Awolowo who engineered "starvation is a weapon of war" that led to the deaths of 3 million biafrans?

In the same breath you accuse Ndigbo of wallowing in self pity and at the same time you accuse them of being arrogant.

You accuse them of not being involved in politics when we know that your illiterate president rigged the elections. In Lagos where they were heavily involved, your people hired thugs to assault and kill them.

Igbo acumen & methodology for business is well known and is studied in elite business schools here in western countries.

Igbo man no send you, from 20 pounds at the end of the war, he now has the highest health,educational and developmental indices of all 6 geopolitical zones- despite a concerted conspiracy to deny them infrastructure.

The evil Nigeria has committed is living with it now. A country that is on fire and falling apart .

I advise you to pay attention to your killing fields.

Ndigbo will always flourish, no matter what evil you people plan.

He who God has blessed, no man can curse.

Echi ga kan nma. Oga Nniru and one love.

Igbo Amaka

Dude I'll appreciate you not derailing the thread: bringing such topic would cause tribal or ethnic violence. Please you can take your discussion or movement else where or create a thread for it. You are violating the rules for this thread.

EVarn:
We all have to understand that the war was more an ego contest than a genuine fight for justice. Leaders on both sides just threw millions of lives away simply to make a point.


Thousands of innocent Federalists died too,not just the Separatists. Many people were made homeless orphans on both sides. So it isn't just the so called Biafrans that suffered all the hardship. The fact that the Federalists won is what is painting the narrative to suit the Biafran side.

The average igbo man always feels marginalized and exceedingly prone to victim mentality and self pity. This infact covers a more arrogant personality that is common with people of that ethnicity. They assume their business acumen to be unparalleled, and the difference between them and the Fulanis is that,while the Fulanis can show the result of their ambition and sense of entitlement by visible accumulation of political power,the igbos simply have a robust sense of entitlement but with very little to show for it. This is the simple truth.

If apologizing will ultimately lead us to unity, I believe the government should do so sincerely. But then again, the igbos also owe the country an apology for the reckless ambitions of Colonel Ojukwu.

At the end of the day,I believe the igbos should involve themselves more in politics and national affairs. The last election had a very low turnout from the south east,how do they expect to get power if they participate so reluctantly?. They have even refused to join the military, the last SSC witnessed a very abysmal turnout of South east candidates. Power doesn't come on a platter of gold.

We have all suffered enough for the sins of the past. It's time to move on.

may God increase you in wisdom. You've spoken well.

EVarn:
We all have to understand that the war was more an ego contest than a genuine fight for justice. Leaders on both sides just threw millions of lives away simply to make a point.


Thousands of innocent Federalists died too,not just the Separatists. Many people were made homeless orphans on both sides. So it isn't just the so called Biafrans that suffered all the hardship. The fact that the Federalists won is what is painting the narrative to suit the Biafran side.

The average igbo man always feels marginalized and exceedingly prone to victim mentality and self pity. This infact covers a more arrogant personality that is common with people of that ethnicity. They assume their business acumen to be unparalleled, and the difference between them and the Fulanis is that,while the Fulanis can show the result of their ambition and sense of entitlement by visible accumulation of political power,the igbos simply have a robust sense of entitlement but with very little to show for it. This is the simple truth.

If apologizing will ultimately lead us to unity, I believe the government should do so sincerely. But then again, the igbos also owe the country an apology for the reckless ambitions of Colonel Ojukwu.

At the end of the day,I believe the igbos should involve themselves more in politics and national affairs. The last election had a very low turnout from the south east,how do they expect to get power if they participate so reluctantly?. They have even refused to join the military, the last SSC witnessed a very abysmal turnout of South east candidates. Power doesn't come on a platter of gold.

We have all suffered enough for the sins of the past. It's time to move on.

Please what was the reckless ambition of Ojukwu? Thousands of his people who were civilians were killed and the killers were walking free. Did you expect him to feel part of Nigeria and remain Happy?

EVarn:
We all have to understand that the war was more an ego contest than a genuine fight for justice. Leaders on both sides just threw millions of lives away simply to make a point.


Thousands of innocent Federalists died too,not just the Separatists. Many people were made homeless orphans on both sides. So it isn't just the so called Biafrans that suffered all the hardship. The fact that the Federalists won is what is painting the narrative to suit the Biafran side.

The average igbo man always feels marginalized and exceedingly prone to victim mentality and self pity. This infact covers a more arrogant personality that is common with people of that ethnicity. They assume their business acumen to be unparalleled, and the difference between them and the Fulanis is that,while the Fulanis can show the result of their ambition and sense of entitlement by visible accumulation of political power,the igbos simply have a robust sense of entitlement but with very little to show for it. This is the simple truth.

If apologizing will ultimately lead us to unity, I believe the government should do so sincerely. But then again, the igbos also owe the country an apology for the reckless ambitions of Colonel Ojukwu.

At the end of the day,I believe the igbos should involve themselves more in politics and national affairs. The last election had a very low turnout from the south east,how do they expect to get power if they participate so reluctantly?. They have even refused to join the military, the last SSC witnessed a very abysmal turnout of South east candidates. Power doesn't come on a platter of gold.

We have all suffered enough for the sins of the past. It's time to move on.

If you say the war was that of ego, then I'm afraid you know nothing about the war neither are you a good student of history. FYI Ojukwu never wanted seccesion in the first place on the eve April 1967 in UNN where he addressed a large population of students most of them who have lost one relative or the other in the north, he made much effort to dissuade the people from war and the need for negotiations, Biafra only went to war when the Aburi accord which both parties signed was breached by Gowon.

PS The pogrom did not just start because of the aftermath of Nzeogwu coup, there have being pogrom in Kano in 1953 and other times where civilians where hacked to death even Ahmadu Bello didn't hide his disdain for the Igbos as recorded by a British journalist.


Had it being Aburi accord which is the restructuring everybody is talking about now was obeyed the war would have being averted.

Can we please shift away from this Biafra issue. In truth everybody has a complaint to make. Even the south south minorities have a complaint to make against the Biafran people. Everybody suffered, even the innocent ones,some people went to war against their will.

I've mentioned a few times the importance of accounting for the running costs not just the buy cost of new platforms. When you don't so this is what happens! U/S or FUBAR equipment when your guys are in the ishyt! This KPS APC at a Baringo base,hotbed of cattle rustlers is still new yet grounded due to a busted ball joint. Someone in the KPS in charge of Operations should be jobless-publicly skulleffed and sacked!!
You may not know this but this NW corner of Kenya bordering Uganda and S Sudan is home to perhaps the most ruthless fighting mofos in Africa-guys like the Uganda Karamajong and Sudanese Toposa,in the last pic who'll wipe out entire cattle camps ambush cops and even try take on the army! They've always had a warrior culture and love of cattle. Before automatic weapons clashes weren't too dangerous with low casualties but things have changed.

Kenya's pastoralist communities have long considered cattle rustling a cultural practice, according to a 2011 Kenya Human Rights Commission report. In the past, warriors would wield crude weapons such as spears, swords and bows and arrows to steal livestock, but they rarely killed people.

Livestock is a symbol of wealth; stealing cattle was considered a means to elevate one's status.

But in the past few decades, in West Pokot, Baringo, Laikipia, Turkana and Samburu counties, in northwestern and central Kenya, cattle raids have escalated, fuelled by the proliferation of small arms smuggled into the country. A 2015 Kenya Police report indicates that cattle raiders' weapons originate from neighbouring countries with internal strife, particularly Somalia and South Sudan.

[url]https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/12/kenya-cattle-raids-deadlier-161212152024718.html
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A GSU guy told me in the 90s the Toposa don't count body shots-they aim for the head and take trophies of their kills. An SPLA officer told me during the civil war they didn't chose sides but preyed on both the Northern Arabs and fellow Southerners.
Anyway,in '86 they shot down an army Puma near the Ethio border during in a combined army/GSU OP that pushed them deep into Ethiopia as far as the Omo Valley shown here. The Puma crash landed and all were rescued before it burned:4 KIA were taken while the Toposa lost a 100 with an estimated 50 who crawled away to die later in the bush.
In 96 a KAF Puma was shot down by Turkana in the rustlers fav hunting ground the Suguta valley,where temperatures can reach 50 c. Late 2012 20+ cops were ambushed and killed in a crossfire.

It is in the nearby hideouts where death lurks. The Suguta Valley, an arid part of the Great Rift Valley directly south of Lake Turkana, is distinctive as a natural death trap that would terrify even the best trained of modern militaries. Reckoned to be one of the hottest places on earth, it serves as a dreaded hideout for Pokot and Turkana raiders. At the heart of the valley, annual temperatures average 50°C, just eight degrees short of Libya’s notorious el Azizia plain.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000070815/suguta-valley-is-every-law-enforcer-s-nightmare

KPS KIA recovered from Suguta 2012.
http://www.msanii.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/baragoi.jpeg



It will take serious sociocultural shift and real judicial action including treating cattle rustling as a capital offence especially when lives are lost before things will change.

EVarn:
I am truly sorry you feel this way. I simply spoke the truth of the matter, my intention was not to provoke a diatribe.

I am sure you have very strong opinions and illusions. It is normal, and you are very much entitled to having them. However,I will encourage you to move on from harboring juvenile illusions to genuinely seeking for a progressive way to live with current realities. Like I said, we must move beyond the opious haze of dreams and fantasies, and look to participating in the process of building a more unified and prosperous nation.

Debating whether a certain tribe owns heaven and earth or possesses the business acumen of a billy goat, will not help millions of our people living in extreme poverty.

Anyway,let's not derail too much.

Not to add to the fire but my own research convinces me Igbos,specifically Ojukwu and Zik (not forgetting Kaduna Boy who murdered the Sultan of Sokoto and his wife and bragged!)weren't as innocent as I previously thought for the events that culminated in the Civil War.

kikuyu1:


Not to add to the fire but my own research convinces me Igbos,specifically Ojukwu and Zik (not forgetting Kaduna Boy who murdered the Sultan of Sokoto and his wife and bragged!)weren't as innocent as I previously thought for the events that culminated in the Civil War.

stick to Kenya. And don't delve into the history you read on paper.

Note to self: @rugged7 is just a dumb bigot.

kikuyu1:


It will take serious sociocultural shift and real judicial action including treating cattle rustling as a capital offence especially when lives are lost before things will change.

Little did I know I barely scratched the surface about Cattle rustling around Africa.

Over here, quite a few people view cattle rustling from its sociocultural & dare I say socioeconomic angle, its all about tribal domination to their lots. Oh well.

ugo4u:

If you say the war was that of ego, then I'm afraid you know nothing about the war neither are you a good student of history. FYI Ojukwu never wanted seccesion in the first place on the eve April 1967 in UNN where he addressed a large population of students most of them who have lost one relative or the other in the north, he made much effort to dissuade the people from war and the need for negotiations, Biafra only went to war when the Aburi accord which both parties signed was breached by Gowon.

PS The pogrom did not just start because of the aftermath of Nzeogwu coup, there have being pogrom in Kano in 1953 and other times where civilians where hacked to death even Ahmadu Bello didn't hide his disdain for the Igbos as recorded by a British journalist.


Had it being Aburi accord which is the restructuring everybody is talking about now was obeyed the war would have being averted.

Except told by the very mouth of deities, History is tainted as it it transcends the ages.

Foreseeing the nuclear war that could erupt in this thread (Nvm a particular fellow already unzipping) I would kindly ask all parties to sheath their knowledge they have, and let's get over this i-am-correct syndrome

OH-58 kiowa
Tunisian air force

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pacretus:
stick to Kenya. And don't delve into the history you read on paper.

I admit Idk all the details; but correct me in what IMO are the major facts:
-did Kaduna Boy murder the Sultan and his wife? IIRC,he laughingly admitted as much on TV!
- did this not engender enormous resentment among Northerners, especially as he was a Hausa speaker having grown up in Kaduna?
- how could Ojukwu,a trained military man be blind to the tactical and strategic realities of fighting a nation state,outnumbered and outgunned on all levels was it not a move of ENORMOUS HUBRIS?
Pls enlighten me.

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ugo4u:

If you say the war was that of ego, then I'm afraid you know nothing about the war neither are you a good student of history. FYI Ojukwu never wanted seccesion in the first place on the eve April 1967 in UNN where he addressed a large population of students most of them who have lost one relative or the other in the north, he made much effort to dissuade the people from war and the need for negotiations, Biafra only went to war when the Aburi accord which both parties signed was breached by Gowon.

PS The pogrom did not just start because of the aftermath of Nzeogwu coup, there have being pogrom in Kano in 1953 and other times where civilians where hacked to death even Ahmadu Bello didn't hide his disdain for the Igbos as recorded by a British journalist.


Had it being Aburi accord which is the restructuring everybody is talking about now was obeyed the war would have being averted.

When it comes to matters of history,we must be cautious, lest we make gaseous assumptions. History is always subject to the perceptions of its narrators,hence,knowledge obtained from its study is never sancrosanct.

When you say Colonel Ojukwu never wanted secession,how do you explain the plane ladden with imported ammunitions that crashed in Enugu a few weeks before the Aburi Accord?, How do you explain Ojukwu's call for all Nigerians of Igbo extraction to return to the Eastern region in a publicly televised speech weeks before peace talks in Ghana?.

Like I said earlier, our leaders played away the lives of millions of people in an attempt to massage their inflammed ego. Trading blames over the issue is very much counter-productive. When Ojukwu,after the meeting,rushed home to publicly announce that the Supreme Military Council has agreed to a confederational system of government, did he expect the federal side to accept such an interpretation unchallenged?. Gowon himself admitted that had he been the first to give a speech, the war would probably have been averted. One would be tempted to conclude that Ojukwu simply utilized the notorious doctrine of eye-service to garner international sympathy when the war commenced.

In retrospect,I will opine that the civil war was largely shaped,not by singular entities like Lt. Colonel Gowon or Colonel Ojukwu, but subtle interest groups of local and international origin. That was probably the reason why despite the fact that everyone present at the meeting agreed on everything discussed, both sides came back home to do entirely different things.

We must agree that we didn't (and still don't) have leaders who trusted or even understood each other. It showed in the speeches and body language of those leaders, either it was Ahmadu Bello or Nnamdi Azikwe. We shouldn't make it seem as if the Igbos were the sole victims,Kaduna Nzeogwu and his merry band of murderous officers committed high treason when they killed off almost all the elected leaders of northern extraction. It was only natural, considering the state of the nation at the time,for the north to retaliate with clinical pogroms. It was a two way thing. Nobody simply woke up one morning and started killing Igbo people.

Even the 1953 Kano riot that you pointed out was not about the Igbos. It was largely a North vs South issue, based on the question of independence,which culminated in a riot(not a pogrom) that saw thousands of both Northerners and Southerners dead.

To cap it all, the war has come and gone. It is time to forge ahead and build the nation. The Igbos were not innocent,neither were the Federalists. What matters is the future which lies ahead.

Guys please let's leave these Biafran discussion. Thanks...

fachfouch:
OH-58 kiowa
Tunisian air force

Damn...... I don't know the Tunisian airforce operates large numbers of OH-58 kiowa.

Nice pictures.

Again, the Newly Formed specialized Egyptian Counter-Terrorism unit “Black Cobra” attached to (CSF) taking a part in counter narcotics operation

Black Cobra Personnel appeared equipped with CZ Scorpion EVO-3 & UMB submachine guns mounted on it Optix Mk6 reflex weapon sights.