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| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Gbenge77(m): 6:50pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
GEJ should just organise credible elections and leave office.thats the best legacy he can bequeath. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by roxell120(m): 9:11pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
there are many people here whose stock in trade is to criticize any issue or matter on ground or should i call them embers of backwardness. they are never in support of any just course.u can find them on any forum here making terrible remarks on wonderful forums created for a purpose.i wont mention their names cos they are like gold fish everywhere here. even if an angel is sent to rule nigeria they will never give him an iota of support.plz my good people let us be focused and move nigeria foward.it is only our vote that is our power and we must surely get it right some day. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by roxell120(m): 9:16pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
Gbenge 77: who is he going to leave office for? someone whom ull call for his resignation tomorrow? some people always sound too funny. i always say it, the devill u know is better than the saint u anticipate.GEJ needs everyones support. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Sagamite(m): 10:46pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
somze: What rrrrrrrrrrrrrubbish are you chatting? So maintenance is now his major achievement? That is what makes you think he is more competent than other candidates that have achievements? And you wonder why I call him a Silverback Gorilla? Tell me what he has done that is a major achievement that a Silverback Gorilla can not do. What threats? If it was an Fulani man that was ruling you think the militants will be this calm? Maybe a part of our huge external reserve that was depleted by your Gorilla was being used to keep them quiet. somze: What clunking rubbish!!! Roadmap? And so? This is the first time Nigeria is having roadmap? Even Abacha did not have roadmap? So writing roadmap is a major achievement? And you wonder why I call him Silverback Gorilla? somze: Utter Rubbish! This is major achievement? Appointing RECs is some major achievement of your Silverback? What research did you do to make and assertion that more people believe the election will be free and fair? The same people that are thinking PDP would rig and are talking about protecting their vote? It is ME you are throwing such ridiculous conjecture at? ME?  73m voters in a country of 150m where records show that 60% should be under-18? And you opened your gob to use that as evidence of progress without thinking? Tell me which countries you know that not only do all adults register to vote but also imaginary ones emerge. It is looking really "bright", is it not? Free and fair elections? Great GEJ! Great Silverback Gorilla! Stop talking utter sshyyyyyt! Now name for me any other countries that were not in war or coming out of war that had to postpone elections at short notice. When you fail, try and name one that did it even despite being in war or coming out of it. Then give yourself a mark. Make is an "F". Even Haiti can organise an election, you are coming here to talk crap to SAGAMITE about some lame achievements that does not exist? And I wonder why you did not tell me his achievements on: - Corruption - Electricity - Security - Infrastructure - Education - Jobs |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by somze(f): 11:26am On Apr 06, 2011 |
Sagamite:Jonathan initiated integration programs for the ex-militants thus encouraging human capital development, including the granting of scholarships and establishment of skills acquisition centres. Some of them were sent out of the country to places like Malaysia for human capital development. This led to substantial increase in crude oil production from 1.7 million bpd (barrels per day) to the present 3.2million bpd. Yes in 10months!!!. Sagamite:Seriously dude, stick to valid inferences based on facts!!! Sagamite:Our Foreign Reserves at December 2009 stood at $42bn, now it stands about $36bn. Sagamite:Increase in power generation in 10months. Sagamite: Postponement of the election does not indict GEJ's govt one bit. GEJ has supported Jega in every legal way possible. If we were to take an overview of reactions on this subject, we would see that most people, though disappointed at Jega, supports the postponement as opposed to carrying on in the circumstance. Regarding the 60% of our population being under 18, please can I know where you got this from? Again, this is about Nigerian election so look at precedents in the country not that of Haiti. However, I am lost at your logic here also knowing Haitan elections were marred with violence and fraud allegations. "I[i]n a January 2011 report the Center for Economic and Policy Research concluded that 71.5% of the eligible Haitian population did not vote during the first round of the election on November 28th 2010.Furthermore, from the remaining votes 8.1% were considered to be invalid, leaving only 20.1% of the votes being cast on one of the candidates in the election[/i]" [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_general_election,_2010%E2%80%932011#Controversy]From Wiki[/url] Sagamite:- Corruption: New charges filed for Igbinedion, Ibori escapes the country, Siemens pays fine. - Electricity: Increase from about 2800MW to about 3800MW in 10months. - Security: Relative peace in Niger Delta - Infrastructure: Lagos-Ore-Benin road is currently undergoing major rehabilitation by the Federal Road Maintenance Agency (FERMA). Construction ongoing on East/West road. Trains are back. Five functional international airports. Total Data Coverage. Upgrade of Enugu Airport to International Status. Twenty-seven (27) earth dams have been sited in the six geo-political zones while a major irrigation project is ongoing in the northern part of the country, including the proposed supply and installation of water treatment plants capable of treating fresh water, brackish water and salt water in all the states of the South-East. Government has also taken over and completed the Edo State water supply project hitherto handled by the Petroleum Trust Fund. Proposed rehabilitation of over 150 dysfunctional hand pump boreholes in the rural parts of the South-West. Dredging of the Niger project, which was initiated by former President Umar Yar’adua was accelerated due to increased funding by President Goodluck Jonathan. The dredging is already 90% completed. Renovation and equipping of all Federal Medical Centres across the six geo-political zones. The upgrading of University Teaching Hospitals and specialized Tertiary Health Centres is also being done, as well as the training of medical and paramedical staff. Rehabilitation of Refineries. Refinery Output Capacity from below 30% output capacity are currently working 60-75% capacity depending on exact refinery. Ongoing upgrade of flow stations. Construction of NNPC mega stations around the country for increase supply of fuel and price stability. NNPC is also entering PPP with fuel station owners that are having difficulty in running their stations. That’s why you see some branded NNPC stations that are small. Like the one in Wuse 2 that was former Iluobe filling station. Ongoing rehabilitation of th atlas cove jetty that was blown up during Yaradua’s govt. - Education: Bring Back the Book Project which plans that by 2015, every Nigerian child would be able to read and write. 2011 Budget allocation of almost N1 trillion (N933 billion). Construction of six additional federal universities in the six geo-political zones in states that do not have a federal university. Spply of science and technical equipment to all the federal and state polytechnics across the country. Change of Curriculum for all Polytechnics including Entrepreneurial studies. - Jobs: These bills and plans should create jobs. Local Content Bill, Implementation of Power Roadmap, Gas Revolution Plan, PIB Bill, Planned refineries in lagos, Kogi and Bayelsa, State PPP Refinery projects in Abia and Akwa Ibom. The government does not need to create direct jobs. Jobs are created when the government creates the right environment for investors, privatizes previously government owned industries or creates policies that could lead to job creation. There is an allocation in 2011 budget (about N50bn) for Entrepreneurs and also part of the Education allocation allocation is to rehabilitate or create new techinical schools/programs that offers trains student in informal education and direct skill acquisition. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Nobody: 12:32pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
PDPs solution to ending hunger: Somze this is the summary of all the lies you are blowing here, pictures dont lie. Food security abi Liar
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| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Sagamite(m): 1:27pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
somze: Explain to me if this was not under the plans set up as Amnesty by Yaradua. It is Sagamite you are trying to BS? SAGAMITE? somze: Cut the crap! The militants are more relaxed now their own is in power. It is only a natural human reaction after years of feeling marginalised and losing out. Don't BS me! somze: And your point is? Who do you think you are BSing? First of all, stop the misinformation. The EFR was $46.5bn in Dec 2009. Apart from it being lower than you put, has it not only been propped to $36bn because of the recent crisis in the Middle East after your Gorilla depleted it. Who do you think you are BSing? Should it not be more, if not double at the moment considering the ME crisis. Explain to me what GEJ did with the funds? Bribe for PDP primaries? Keep militants quiet? somze: Increase from what to what? At what costs? Tell me waht is fantastic about the increase. Who are you trying to BS? So if your employer asked you to work for extra 2 hours a day and tells you he would pay you N400 more every year, the increase is fantastic? So OBJ's government had a great electricity achievement because power generation increased? somze: Oh, I see! GEJ is great and has successfully carried out electoral reform if Jega gets it right, but GEJ has nothing to do with it and cannot be indicted if Jega fails? Right? somze: See Demographic indicators: http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/nigeria_statistics.html#78 Whilst you are at it, make sure you explain to me the logic of how 100% of adults registered to vote. somze: Let me explain the logic to you: Haiti despite being death poor and just recently faced a national disaster did not have to postpone and election. You that are claiming your Silverback is great and has achieved electoral reform, had elections postponed at last minute. I requested of you to name a country where such postponement has ever happened. I am waiting. somze: Sorry, this is all you could summon up in a country bereft by corruption? What a pathetic attempt. So what happen to all those that Halliburton tried? Why has your Gorilla not filed charges against them despite the fact that people have been jailed in the US for giving the bribe and names have been provided to the Nigerian government of those that were bribed? Gorilla Jonathan is great on Corruption? No convictions, no court cases in the 10 months? somze: Provide your source for those figures and the cost. I wait patiently. somze: And kidnappings? And Jos? And Jos again? And Jos again? Despite majority of the killings in Jos being people on legs raiding remote villages, how many Helicopters has Silverback Gorilla bought to apprehend the killers that are mostly on leg? Yet, he spent millions to buy 3 luxurious president planes? What has Silverback Gorilla done about extra-judicial killings by Nigerian Police force? somze: What utter rubbish? Complete junk! No single achievement identified. Gives me a list of things being done at the moment, which we don't know if it is being done well. Some might even be senseless activities like when the Gorilla said he would build an airport in all states. Worse still, it is things that should be done as part of everyday sane government. So they are doing irrigation? WOOOOOOOOOOOOW! The airports are functioning? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! NNPC entered agreement with fuel station owners? WOOOOOOOOOW! How the fck does that have anything to do with GEJ? Oh, I get it. If the NNPC does anything (which is everyday BAU), GEJ is great. But if NNPC fcks up, it has nothing to do with GEJ. Right? Utter useless points! Refineries are working at 75%? Really? Show me your source and then prove to me that it was because of GEJ! I wait. Soon your pathetic arse will be telling me, GEJ is a great achiever because he attended a UN conference. somze: More plans, no achievement? I can only give props to budget allocation. somze: More plans, no achievement? |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by koyuid(m): 1:56pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
At least in the past 12 months GEJ could have repaired some of the eye sores we call roads. Roads like Obajana-Kabba. Ilorin- Mokwa- kaduna. bida-mokwa. lagos-ibadan ore-bennin etc . Truth is most of us supported GEJ when he assumed the position. the patronage structure of the PDP will never allow anybody to perfom. in other words GEJ has achieved nothing in the past 12months. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Sagamite(m): 2:02pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
koyuid: Frankly, I don't expect him to repair all roads in 10 months, but in 10 months (+ 3 years as VP sitting in FEC) all we have that his supporters can show is "a plan"! Not ONE single achievement! This is the FCKING first time Nigeria has had a plan? Utter rubbish! The only "successful" action/implementation they can point to is when his reeetarded wife is eradicating poverty by "distributing rice". GEJ is great! "Fresh Odour 2011"! |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Kobojunkie: 2:22pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
somze: Very untrue claim. Jonathan did not initiate this. This program was worked on, and started by Yar adua himself. On Skills Acquisition centers, that also yar adua, and in some part the oil companies! http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/militancy-ptdf-niger-delta-ministry-to-train-youths-on-skills-acquisition/ |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Kobojunkie: 2:26pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
@Somze, there is evidence that 95% of what you claim there are false. A simple Google search would reveal this to even the dullest out there. Why do you continue to propagate falsehood on behalf of this man? Why do you feel it is your duty to 'PROP UP' a politician who has given us nothing so far? Don't you realize that this is our future we are dealing with here? Don't you get it that we have been, and will continue to be the losers in all this? |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by somze(f): 3:12pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
Sagamite:Explain to me if we are talking about plan or achievements because you seem to balk anytime I throw up plans? Sagamite:You have no facts and I still do not agree this is a valid inference because of the threats, kidnapping and bombings that went on in the early periods of Jonathan's era. Please drop this assertion except you are ready to show valid facts or line of reasoning. Sagamite:It was $42bn. See my source here. Actually it is $32bn now. It was $36bn for a few days in May. Also how foreign reserves are used would be too complicated for us to trash it out here. Also it will be based on possible inferences and/or speculation and as you can see, we don't exactly agree on how we accept validity on those subjects. It is just going to derail the thread. One thing is for sure, it is near impossible for the Government to deep it's hand in the external reserves to bribe delegates or militants. This is as baseless as it is as laughable. CBN gives a general use of foreign reserves but the data isn't up to date. Whoever was updating this site must have resigned after 2007  See this link.Sagamite:10 months!!! Sagamite:Jega has not failed. We can only discuss this under those circumstances. Sagamite:It would be logical to put nearest accuracy into consideration and it's both ways - UNICEF Data (See Definitions and Data Sources) and INEC's Registration figures (double registration and underage registration) Sagamite:Like I said earlier, everyone is disappointed with the postponement. I am not arguing this. What I said and still stand by is GEJ can not be blamed if Jega postpones due to logistic reasons. Is GEJ in charge of logistics? Jega has been given all the legal support to carry out his duty. Now if the election fails, that is another discussion. Sagamite:Apparently where you are, the govt have a good record of taking high profile cases to court in 10months and get convictions. This is laughable. There are numerous murder cases that took years to get court in the US. If the cases are under investigation, then we have to wait to get the report of a concluded investigation i.e prosecution or not. GEJ ordered an investigation into the Haliburton scandal in June 2010, I believe. Sagamite:• http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/03/electricity-output-now-4000mw-fg/ • http://allafrica.com/stories/201103071045.html Sagamite:Kidnappings have reduced. It was mostly in the South East. As for Jos a committee was set up to find a solution to the crisis. They have since handed in their recommendation which is being carefully considered. Soldiers are also in Jos to maintain peace. Granted the situation is worse that we expect but this is a crisis that first showed up in Jos during Obasanjo's era and it is being tackled. Crisis in the Northern states predate independence and has taken place through every dispensation. Sagamite:He has been there for 10months so it is only realistic that some projects will be ongoing. However, concluded ones were included I believe. somze: Sagamite:Aviation and Petroleum are ministries. Sagamite:Refineries went from performing below 30% to the figures I gave due to rehabilitation work done by GEJ. See links below • http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE7180E420110209 • http://allafrica.com/stories/201102110573.html • http://allafrica.com/stories/201102080396.html Sagamite:Stick to discussions. Avoid personal references or insults. Sagamite:It has been just 10months!!! |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by somze(f): 3:18pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
Kobojunkie:I think you are right on this one. Much of my discussion on this like I noted in my response to Sagamite has been on the premise that GeJ has carried out implementation. Kobojunkie:I think I included links where asked. Just specify exact areas you have issues with. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Kobojunkie: 3:24pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
somze: The functional Airports -- Jonathan had nothing to do with either. a) No new airport was built in 2010 b) The upgrade of Akanu Ibiam to International Status has been in the works since 2007, and the upgrade started in 2009 --- the project, again, was completed in November of 2010. Again, there are documents and reports online to support this A simple WIKI search will reveal this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akanu_Ibiam_International_Airport http://www.nigeria70.com/nigerian_news_paper/akanu_ibiam_international_airport_enugu_closed_for_/152634 http://www.flyafrica.info/forums/showthread.php?22317-The-N4-Billion-Akanu-Ibiam-International-Airport-(-Enugu) http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2007/mar/235.html |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Sagamite(m): 4:43pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
somze: Ok, let me re-state what I asked for. Maybe it would help you. What I asked for was: Why don't you help us summarise the points that 1) Shows GEJ is competent for the job. 2) Indicates his achievements. 3) Shows why he is better than the other main candidates. If you are struggling to understand that. What I allude to is: - Not plans but tangible achievements. Something ALREADY done, that he started and has completed. - Something extra-ordinary that he has done that inspires you. - His address and approach to the major issues, ESPECIALLY the one that inspires Nigerians and reshape our thinking. Not "the CBN is setting interests rates"! As if they are not suppose to do that. somze: I have logic. To get facts, you will need to be there physically when decisions are made or go and do a survey. Imperious logic is sufficient. And it will be clear to anybody with a reasonable and unbiased mind that in a country as tribally sectionised like Nigeria, such is the OBVIOUS! It is obvious to a top mind that it is the norm in Nigeria to think "If our own is there, then our area will get better". That is part of the fundamental core of tribalised thinking which is endemic in Nigeria. Imperious Logic! Please highlight to me the threats, kidnapping and bombings that existed after Jonathan took over. I wait. somze: $46.5 here: http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/business/87422-state-of-nigeria%E2%80%99s-external-reserves-worrisome-%E2%80%93-cipm-president.html But that is by the way, not the koko of the matter. You must be having a laugh to say it is complicated to trash out. Nigeria's foreign reserve dramatically falls when Gorilla came into power and when he was VP after being on consistent rise for years before they came in. There is no tangible difference on the ground to show where it is being spent. The Gorilla's government has not offered any explanation. And we know the Gorilla is not against corruption as he does not act against it (and even embraces corrupt people) and is happy to have corruption continue as usual as long as he can remain in power. Now the reserve is lower than it was before he came to power despite 4 months of turmoil that has favoured oil prices, that any reasonable mind will have expected to significantly increases the reserve and not be lower. So we are not only talking about the gap between existing levels and past levels but also the recent volumes that has closed the gaps considerable. Lets not foool ourselves that politicians in Nigeria do not have access to public funds to waste especially the president. For example, where did the money for delegates that overwhelming voted for him come from? Or are you going to lie and say it is speculation that money exchanged hands at PDP presidential convention?? somze: How does that answer my question? somze: How does that answer my question? somze: I don't get your point. Believe me, it will be in your best interest not to hang to lame points when debating with me. If you are saying that INEC's figure is right or close to right, please explain to me: a) Where you have ever seen 100% of adults register for voting. b) If you believe the 73m is or close to a figure that ACCURATELY reflects Nigeria's adult population, then explain to me how you reshaped Nigeria's adult population. somze: But you used appointment of Jega as your No 1 example of GEJ's election reform achievement. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-636908.160.html#msg8055547 Are you conceding that was a lame point? Since when did appointing someone become a spectacular achievement except in the world of Silverback Gorilla supporters? somze: Don't try and bullshyt me, mate! Cut the mooooronic point! How does being provided with concrete evidence and confessions equate to murder cases? What an utterly mooooronic point! In the sane world where I live that a silverback gorilla like GEJ will never be allowed to smell power, if a public official is bribed and the bribers have confessed and been prosecuted in another country, it will nto take more than A MONTH to get the people bribed in the docks. Talkless of a year. Utter rubbish arguments! somze: Explain to me how your link shows your claim that GEJ increased electricity from 2800MW to 4000MW. You were trying to bullshyt ME? SAGAMITE? somze: So he has not achieved security? He has a plan? But the plan does not involve utlising modern equipments? But he can go and buy presidential planes? I forgot to ask, explain to me how kidnappers can be using mobile phones to ask for ransom but yet Silverback's government has not seen it as an opportunity to nab kidnappers or to limit their abilities to get ransom. He needs 10 months for that too? somze: So, no achievement. You were just trying to bullshyt me? In 10 months, he could not achieve anything despite waiting for 4 months for Turai to give him permission to rule? He could not formulate any plans of what he will do within those 4 months waiting for Turai and yet you see him fit as president? 10 months? Nothing achieved? Just more plans? somze: Which achievements were concluded. I wait! somze: You point is? somze: Amsorry! I don't see anything in your link saying it was at 30%. Are you trying to bullshyt me again? ME? SAGAMITE? somze: Stick to logic and objectivity and I will stick to discussions. Don't try and bullshyt me! Never again come to me and compare confessed bribers to unresolved murder cases. I hate it when people insult my intellect. My intellect is imperious! |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Rorhymes(m): 7:04pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
@ sagamite. U sound very logical and objective, so in your objectivity I would like to find out from you what "the silverback" has done. Just curios to know if you are "aware" of "any" of the "good things" he has done or are you just another ". Silverback is not good" fan. Because it has been awhile since I have really read objectivity. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by somze(f): 7:15pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
@Sagamite, You are sounding (or writing) very much like an old nairalander I know from the sports section. Some Man U fan.  Anyway, the issue below is an example of your skewed logic and for this reason we must have to agree on guiding principles to go further Sagamite:October 1st 2010 and January 1st 2011 bombings happened during GEJ. A series of threats from MEND hit our papers about 2 weeks ago. Your whole assumption is baseless and torn apart by these apparent facts and more. It is obvious that these facts totally disagree with your assertion that the militants cooled off because "their person is in power". Disturbingly most of your other writings are also organized around unfounded assumptions aka External Reserve and Bribery. Logic must have valid inferences and yours fall well short of that basic principle. Lets look again at the case of the militants. My claim is that the region is experiencing relative peace because GEJ is successfully implementing the Amnesty agenda. I also maintain that this is an achievement. Facts clearly support this claim. 1. You agree with me that the region is more peaceful than pre-GEJ 2. Amnesty agreements - allowances are being paid, skill acquisition, human capital development etc. 3. Even MEND came out to criticize sending militants abroad for job specific training. Militants were being sent to Malaysia I believe, to acquire the skills needed for work in the new refineries. MEND criticized this by saying that the militants would have menial jobs in the refineries and other areas of oil and gas. Sagamite: The above is fantastic, well most of it save your allusion. I forsee an ambiguous discussion so we need to agree on some guidelines - 1. Achievements based on antecedents are admissible. What I mean is this, if no one could achieve a feat in the past and someone now can this can then be accepted as an achievement no matter how small the feat may be. For instance, Nigeria is a country plagued by project failures during implementation phase. So if GEJ is implementing a project successfully, even though he did not plan this project, it would be acceptable to attribute this to him as an achievement. 2. Logic should be based on valid inferences or drawn from facts. Mere speculations should be discouraged except agreed by us both. 3. First hand experience without links can be admissible 4. Consideration should be given to the 10months period that GEJ has been in power. Expecting him to deliver a project that could take years to go from start to finish is simply ridiculous. In view of this, plans included in the budget and whose implementation has begun should be admissible, ongoing projects should be admissible once proof is provided that they are indeed being implemented. Tell me what you think and I can begin. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Genius100: 7:26pm On Apr 06, 2011 |
I'm actually quite impressed by Somze's debating skills. Very coherent and devoid of insults. BTW, it does not matter if Jonathan did not initiate the projects he completed. As long as he completed it, he get props. Anybody refusing to give him props because he did not initiate the projects he completed is nothing but a major clown. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Sagamite(m): 12:29am On Apr 07, 2011 |
Rorhymes: No 1, he has hardly done anything of note out of the tons of things that need to be done in Nigeria. Even his supporters cannot summon anything when you ask them. Some run when you challenge them to state why they suppport him (e.g. Beaf) and some give lame rubbish about his achievements. There are several things that can be done in 6 months, talkless of 10 months. No 2, whatever pathetic rubbish/little they can summon that he has done "that is good" is completely irrelevant when weighed or juxtapose to what he has done or refused to do "that is bad". He is a completely useless and unprincipled man. I judge leaders by 2 things: 1) Competence - Intelligence, knowledge, leadership, pro-activity, achievements, inspirationalism etc 2) Intentions - Are they out to do good? Do they put the nation first at most times? Are they honest? What is there track record? etc The Silverback Gorilla fails on both terms and is inferior to the other main candidates on both. On competence, he himself has admitted (revealed in wikileaks) that he is not capable of the job. His supporters can not come up with anything he has done in 10 MONTHS out of the plethora of things that can be or need to be done in Nigeria. His judgement is so poor, if he is any more stewpid, I think they would have to water his brain. I have seen him at TV interviews and he is as slow and has boring as they come. He cannot inspire starving monkeys to be excited about a banana plantation when released into it. He was totally liverless when some cabals were running Nigeria whilst our President was dying and probably not lucid. He and his wife's public utterances are of educated illiterates. The dumbo was even saying he plans to build an airport in every state in Nigeria. Even ordinary Nigerian college students in Western countries on NL could give multiple reasons why that was a stewpid idea. He has no achievement till date anyone can point to. His rivals have achievements, are inspirational, pro-active and intelligent. On intentions, I can not trust a Gorilla (that calls himself PRESIDENT) that will send his wife and Minister to join in the fanfare of welcoming someone convicted of corruption in a corruption-destroyed society. Then a Gorilla that now invited the convict to discuss elections is not fit to be President. I can not trust a Gorilla that prevented EFCC from arresting Uduaghan when he briefly lost his immunity because he needs his help in Delta State for the presidential elections. I can not trust a Gorilla that has not brought anyone to court after ONE YEAR for the Halliburton bribery despite people haven been convicted in the US and have also confessed to bribing Nigerian officials, even though the names of the officials have been provided to him. I can not trust a Gorilla that is already in power but yet calls IBB (a known criminal) his father. That is a Gorilla that will lead Nigeria for the next 4 years with Business as Usual for corrupt people. His rivals are more clean and have better intentions. What kind of Human being wants to vote for such a man? More about Silverback Gorilla: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-626786.0.html |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Sagamite(m): 12:55am On Apr 07, 2011 |
somze: Utter rubbish! The so-called militants are a fragmented group that goes beyond MEND and had several other groups with different selfish interests and even single-individual self-enrichment agenda. Virtually all have been quiet since local boy got in. You don't even hear from the demented Asari Dokubo anymore. Because one or at best 2 of the several fragments is not satisfied or does things once in a while to [maybe] divert more funds their way to keep them calm is not proof to debase the arguments that militants have cooled due to their "own being in power". A majority have calmed down because of local boy. You can't possibly keep all groups, and the powerful individual units within them, quiet by one policy (same is found with IRA, that is not even that much fragmented, with the real IRA steal bombing). Even if you go and take an Ayatollah from Iran and install him in Afghanistan to implement Sharia law, Taliban will stop insurgency, but there will still be small fragments of Taliban that will continue fighting. It is logic, stop fighting logic! Don't be ridiculous, of course logic will tell you not all individuals will have the same thinking and ideology that "a local boy is in power and it is enough". That is impossible, logic should tell you that. Some few will still have their separate criminal agenda of self-enrichment or ideological craziness that "Nigeria will not have peace until real proof of development in Niger Delta is in existence". Those few do NOT disprove the fact that majority have calmed down because "our own is in power plus we have been settled as well with training and free salary, lets make it easy for him" (we have got something for ourselves and something is possibly their for our community because na our son get power). That is the irrefutable traits of a tribalistic society. One which is heavily embedded across Nigerian regions. Definitely, it is not some genius stroke, as you want to dishonestly tell us, of GEJ that has reduced drastically the activity. somze: So you are no more claiming he initiated the programme? That was a Yaradua Programme he is just administering? And that is his great achievement you could summon up? Amazing! somze: I agree. - But make sure it is measurable (if not possible, at worst, measurable cognitively) and whatever you put is SIGNIFICANT enough to be regarded as achievement. I emphasised the word "significant", the significance must be easily identifiable. E.g. raising lecturers salary from N90K to N100K is not significant. That just seem like little or in line with annual inflation-linked rise. Raising it to N200K is significant. Or stating he appointed INEC chairman and RECs are not significant achievements. That is a blatant insult to my intellect. - Also make sure what ever you list has some identifiable significance in the grand scheme of things to move us forward, especially in regards to the priorities I listed before (Corruption, Electricity, Security etc). E.g. We now have 8 international Airports. And so? How does that help us? Could it not be a cost burden without any increased productivity output? State how it has changed us and make it a FACT. Another, don't come with he released funds for science equipment for schools, where we don't know how significant the level of funds is in relation with what is required to move us forward. Preferably, state historic levels and current levels to identify significance. I can be lenient on this though as I know it might be had to prove. Just be careful, logical and objective as best as you can be, as I am not an average African layman that is a foool, impressionable and gullible. - It should be projects only and NOT day-to-day responsibilities. That is, none of that "NNPC are monitoring oil companies" like if that is not what they are suppose to do. It is actually more impressive to say, he sacked people for not doing their day-to-day responsibilities. - Furthermore, any competent person, will have been able to initiate something in 10 months, especially after being VP for 3 years and waiting 4 months to get permission from Turai to get into power, so I will expect you to list things that were his ideas, not only other people's. Anybody with a brain, that has been close to power for years, and worthy of being a President, will have had several ideas of what he plans to do before he gets to power. Although, acceptably, a Silverback Gorilla might not. somze: That is what I have always done with my knowledge of Nigeria and the way things work. It is you I am worried about in this respect. somze: No. I will accept on case-by-case basis after I query the ratiocination behind it. somze: No doubt only things possible within a timescale can be assessed. If you have proof something good or spectacular is being implemented but not yet concluded, I am happy to see. But please don't use it as an excuse to BS me. I must warn you with this. The thing that bothers me with GEJ is more about things that can be done in 10 months that have not been done, like putting Haliburton people in the dock. So your attempt and preparation to put his "plans" forward to impress me really carries little water. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Kobojunkie: 12:59am On Apr 07, 2011 |
somze: Trains were Yar adua's project -- replacement for what he cancelled . Ask Namadi Sambo, he knows it was Yar adua that initiated the rail projects. http://news.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=7146 http://www.emergingminds.org/Trains-to-run-across-Nigeria-in-2010-says-transport-minister.html http://allafrica.com/stories/201007020327.html http://ndn.nigeriadailynews.com/templates/?a=19859&z=50 |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by 9ijaMan: 5:47am On Apr 07, 2011 |
@Sagamite, You have just beaten another Baby GEJ to a state of coma. While Somze keeps churning out false claims about GEJ's achievements, his references through the numerous links he presented undermined his arguments. To cap it all, Kobojunkies has also done a good job at exposing Somze's numerous lies. @Somze, I'll advice you to simply continue to support your dullard candidate and stop making things worse for GEJ. By the time several neutral voters here on NL read your posts (and the replies of Sagamite and Kobojunkie) they would easily be swayed to the camp of the opponents. You have done more disservice to the GEJ campaign with your ignorant analysis. I'm certain that you would have realized by now that it's not everyone on NL that can be fooled by GEJ's imbecility which many have misconstrued for humility. My advice to you: better keep mute and allow people to think you are a fool than confirming their thought. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by willdave: 9:23am On Apr 07, 2011 |
I am really surprised at the way most Nigerian’s think. We’ve had persons that sat on that presidential sit for years after years and didn’t do anything but only brought transformation to their states and enriched their pockets and account, stole money to go invest in another man’s country living their country which would have created employment to the unemployed. Goodluck is the man anytime and will always be. Just in the 10month in office has done what most presidents didn’t do because of their selfish interest which is very clear to all Nigerian. For once let’s be very honest to ourselves and act like one’s who will be given an opportunity someday to display power. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Sagamite(m): 9:50am On Apr 07, 2011 |
willdave: What has he done? |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Bawss1(m): 10:33am On Apr 07, 2011 |
May this thread live long. I am enjoying the Somze and Sagamite debate.  |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by 9ijaMan: 8:31pm On Apr 07, 2011 |
Sagamite:Abi o! I was going to ask him the same question. Bawss1: Actually it's not a debate. It's Sagamite lecturing Somze. Somze's been grabbing at straws and Sagamite and Kobo have just been exposing his delusion and lies. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by jaybee(f): 11:10am On Apr 08, 2011 |
[size=22pt]He unveiled an excellent power sector road map designed to place the sector under private sector ownership and management[/size]; thats an acheivement? i dey laff |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by 9ijaMan: 7:49pm On Apr 08, 2011 |
jaybee: Of course to the GEJ babies on NL, the road maps are achievements. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by somze(f): 12:09pm On Apr 09, 2011 |
Sagamite:MEND has been the main force for a while. Asari was quietened since during Obasanjo. Your history/knowledge on this subject is seriously inadequate. Sagamite:GEJ was the head of the committee setup by Yar'adua on the NigerDelta. He went to the NigerDelta when he was the VP and had several meetings with relevant personalities there. About the guidelines - nice we have an agreement. Will start after today's election. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Sagamite(m): 12:19am On Jun 22, 2011 |
What did I say here? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-636908.64.html#msg8041067 I said most likely the kidnappers were being given inducement (financial) to keep quiet until Jonathan wins election. In the last few weeks we have seen resumption, most like because the flow of money to pacify militants as stopped. http://www.saharareporters.com/news-page/updated-kidnappers-snatch-11-year-old-daughter-rivers-rec-eket-church-demand-n100m-ransom http://www.saharareporters.com/news-page/catholic-priest-kidnapped-akwa-ibom-kidnappers-demand-n50-million-ransom http://www.saharareporters.com/article/silence-over-kidnapped-nysc-5-rivers-state http://www.saharareporters.com/news-page/kidnapping-gang-busted-abia-state-security-services Jonathan stopped kidnapping and militants my arse! |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by ChinenyeN(m): 12:24am On Jun 22, 2011 |
First of all, this is Nigeria, where nothing gets done. Secondly, 10 months of presidency is no where near enough to make any sort of major accomplishment, because government is stuck in a perpetual state of unwarranted bureaucracy. |
| Re: What Hasn't GEJ Done In 10 Months Of Being The President. by Sagamite(m): 12:28am On Jun 22, 2011 |
ChinenyeN: You can make some accomplishment in 10 months, not all. Only a foool like our Jonny can not make any in 10 months! |
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