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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by Niflheim(m): 2:13pm On Sep 05, 2019
@Michellekabod2,

WOW!!! That was a fantastic write up!!! Nice one for posting it here!!!

I have seen faith in action at least four times in my life.

PICTURE 1: "Chwistains" have faith that evolution is false, and humans did not descend from goats, however, sometimes they enjoy behaving like goats in church every Sunday morning!!!

PICTURE 2: "Chwistains" have faith that a human being's hair can magically transform into bread and akara mixed with lice and dandruff!!!

PICTURE 3: "Chwistains" believe that it is a sin to put a long di.ck in your mouth but with faith, god will not be angry if they put a long snake in their mouth!!!

PICTURE 4: "Chwistains" believe that pornography is one of the highest evils, but by faith, they can expose their dirty blue pant in the church because the blue pant will attract married women like Kim Kardashian, Beyounce and Serena Williams!!!

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 2:39pm On Sep 05, 2019
LordReed:


Who told you any of these is what atheism is about?

Why being evasive in your response.? Let me help you out incase you've forgotten what you believe
shadeyinka:


An atheist is a person who claims to believe in Empirical and Physical evidence yet believes that
1. Order and systems can come out of NOTHING and
2. Chaos can self organizer into order with no outside influence.
Is that not a contradiction!?

2. Proposition:
a. The universe originated from a Bang and the force of the bang is so great that the expansion can be measured even Billions of years after. The expansion could at best be described as an explosion.

b. All natural explosions are chaotic except it is subject to an external constraining force.

c. The law of entropy is violated when an explosion generates order

Please fault this?

1. The universe came out of nothing:
Hear from your Pastor Richard Dawkins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
And Pastor Lawrence Krauss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h43G83o5kc


Pastor Steven Hawkins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl3khaP72WU



And you were asking a question as if I lied against you.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by LordReed(m): 3:45pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:


Why being evasive in your response.? Let me help you out incase you've forgotten what you believe


2. Proposition:
a. The universe originated from a Bang and the force of the bang is so great that the expansion can be measured even Billions of years after. The expansion could at best be described as an explosion.

b. All natural explosions are chaotic except it is subject to an external constraining force.

c. The law of entropy is violated when an explosion generates order

Please fault this?

1. The universe came out of nothing:
Hear from your Pastor Richard Dawkins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
And Pastor Lawrence Krauss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h43G83o5kc


Pastor Steven Hawkins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl3khaP72WU



And you were asking a question as if I lied against you.


LoL, once again who told you this is what atheism is about. Now think carefully before you answer this time.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by CAPSLOCKED: 3:50pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:


An atheist is a person who claims to believe in Empirical and Physical evidence yet believes that
1. Order and systems can come out of NOTHING and
2. Chaos can self organizer into order with no outside influence.

Is that not a contradiction!?


AN ATHEIST IS SIMPLY A PERSON WHO DISMISSES THE CLAIM THAT THERE'S A GOD.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 3:57pm On Sep 05, 2019
LordReed:


LoL, once again who told you this is what atheism is about. Now think carefully before you answer this time.
Stop being evasive:
I did not claim to define Atheism.

I said:

An atheist is a person who claims to believe in Empirical and Physical evidence yet believes that
1. Order and systems can come out of NOTHING and
2. Chaos can self organizer into order with no outside influence.
Is that not a contradiction!?

1. Your choice of Atheism : was it based on SUBJECTIVE knowledge or EMPIRICAL knowledge?
2. According to you Since the Universe exist without a creator does it invalidate the assertion that the universe came out of nothing?
3. Every scientist know that the universe is expanding and one can project it back to the big bang. This can only mean that the universe with its guiding laws came out of chaos. Is this wrong according to your empirical knowledge?

You would not answer these questions because it exposes the foundation upon which your Atheism is based.

I have NOT defined Atheism!
See how you dodged the claim of your Pastors.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 4:06pm On Sep 05, 2019
CAPSLOCKED:



AN ATHEIST IS SIMPLY A PERSON WHO DISMISSES THE CLAIM THAT THERE'S A GOD.
For your information, I wasn't defining Atheism.

I simply put your claims and conclusions under the magnifying glass.

If there was no God: does it not imply that the universe self existed?

If Science is true and the big bang is therefore true, does it not imply that order came out of disorder?

Just prove the statements wrong!

An atheist is a person who claims to believe in Empirical and Physical evidence yet believes that
1. Order and systems can come out of NOTHING and
2. Chaos can self organizer into order with no outside influence.
Is that not a contradiction!?


Do you believe in Empirical Knowledge or subjective knowledge?

Do you disagree that order and systems came out of nothing?

Do you believe in the big bang as the origin of the universe?

I am sure you will evade the personal questions. Stop hiding under the general umbrella of Atheism: what do you believe as the TRUTH?

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by LordReed(m): 5:28pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:

Stop being evasive:
I did not claim to define Atheism.

I said:



1. Your choice of Atheism : was it based on SUBJECTIVE knowledge or EMPIRICAL knowledge?
2. According to you Since the Universe exist without a creator does it invalidate the assertion that the universe came out of nothing?
3. Every scientist know that the universe is expanding and one can project it back to the big bang. This can only mean that the universe with its guiding laws came out of chaos. Is this wrong according to your empirical knowledge?

You would not answer these questions because it exposes the foundation upon which your Atheism is based.

I have NOT defined Atheism!
See how you dodged the claim of your Pastors.

LoL! I don't know why it gets so complicated for you folks.

Atheism - disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of god or gods.

There is nothing in atheism that says you must base your atheism on a belief that the universe came from nothing or that chaos spontaneously creates order without external agency. The simple question atheism asks is can you prove convincingly that a god or gods exist? If you want to "disprove atheism" all that is needed is to prove a god or gods exist. Lumping atheism with cosmology and evolution shows you have a poor understanding of the subject matter. Even if tomorrow you disprove evolution or anything we know about cosmology, you still won't have answered the question atheism asks.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 5:42pm On Sep 05, 2019
LordReed:


LoL! I don't know why it gets so complicated for you folks.

Atheism - disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of god or gods.

There is nothing in atheism that says you must base your atheism on a belief that the universe came from nothing or that chaos spontaneously creates order without external agency. The simple question atheism asks is can you prove convincingly that a god or gods exist? If you want to "disprove atheism" all that is needed is to prove a god or gods exist. Lumping atheism with cosmology and evolution shows you have a poor understanding of the subject matter. Even if tomorrow you disprove evolution or anything we know about cosmology, you still won't have answered the question atheism asks.
Why being evasive?
I didn't define Atheism so stop throwing the definition of Atheism in my face

I have asked you LordReed direct personal questions: what's so difficult in answering them?

You want to hide under the general umbrella of Atheism and I want to engage you at your own personal level.

I have met an Atheist who doesn't believe in God's existence BUT believes in INCANTATIONS and supernaturalism.

So, don't hide: let's know your brand of Atheism. So, answer my questions

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by Nobody: 5:58pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:

Why being evasive?
I didn't define Atheism so stop throwing the definition of Atheism in my face

I have asked you LordReed direct personal questions: what's so difficult in answering them?

You want to hide under the general umbrella of Atheism and I want to engage you at your own personal level.

I have met an Atheist who doesn't believe in God's existence BUT believes in INCANTATIONS and supernaturalism.

So, don't hide: let's know your brand of Atheism. So, answer my questions
keep building a mansion on a strawman! You have met an atheist that doesn't believe in..... How does that equate the entire population of atheists? Do you know they are some people who stopped going to church alone and term themselves atheists? Just like tagging all christians because of what one or two does. You don't have to obfuscate by forcing us to accept a definition of ourselves. This strawman you created was to score cheap points(albeit you failed woefully attempting it!)

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by malvisguy212: 6:02pm On Sep 05, 2019
wow, so some atheists is even ashamed of what they stand for ?
Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 6:07pm On Sep 05, 2019
Michellekabod2:
keep building a mansion on a strawman! You have met an atheist that doesn't believe in..... How does that equate the entire population of atheists? Do you know they are some people who stopped going to church alone and term themselves atheists? Just like tagging all christians because of what one or two does. You don't have to obfuscate by forcing us to accept a definition of ourselves. This strawman you created was to score cheap points(albeit you failed woefully attempting it!)

Sorry sir!
The illustration is to show you that there are several branches within Atheism. Which one are you?

17 kinds of Atheism?
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487

It's obvious your personal beliefs aren't worth anything apart from being part of the band wagon of wanna be Atheist!

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by Nobody: 6:08pm On Sep 05, 2019
Some cesspool of a theist called Malvis don't even reason at all in other to understand a post....wow
#dumbtheist
Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by LordReed(m): 6:11pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:

Why being evasive?
I didn't define Atheism so stop throwing the definition of Atheism in my face

I have asked you LordReed direct personal questions: what's so difficult in answering them?

You want to hide under the general umbrella of Atheism and I want to engage you at your own personal level.

I have met an Atheist who doesn't believe in God's existence BUT believes in INCANTATIONS and supernaturalism.

So, don't hide: let's know your brand of Atheism. So, answer my questions

It is good you met such an atheist so that you begin to understand that nonbelief in a god or gods is the only defining characteristic of an atheist so when you say an atheist has to believe some other thing you are creating a strawman. An atheist is not required to believe in any other thing.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by Nobody: 6:14pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:


Sorry sir!
The illustration is to show you that there are several branches within Atheism. Which one are you?

17 kinds of Atheism?
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487

It's obvious your personal beliefs aren't worth anything apart from being part of the band wagon of wanna be Atheist!

, I have identified with being an agnostic atheist before on NL with my moniker....I am sure if they are classifications of Christian's you will fall into the ones gifted with meagre brains

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by LordReed(m): 6:15pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:


Sorry sir!
The illustration is to show you that there are several branches within Atheism. Which one are you?

17 kinds of Atheism?
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487

It's obvious your personal beliefs aren't worth anything apart from being part of the band wagon of wanna be Atheist!


Did you read anything about believing in something coming from nothing in the link you posted?
Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 6:18pm On Sep 05, 2019
Michellekabod2:


Mor0n , I have identified with being an agnostic atheist before on NL with my moniker....I am sure if they are classifications of Christian's you will fall into the ones gifted with meagre brains
No one can exceed the state of purity of his mind. As far as I remember, I asked LordReed and CAPSLOCK the questions and not you.

If you want to answer the questions, be my guest but stop being childish by your choice of words. You gain nothing from being abusive.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by Nobody: 6:21pm On Sep 05, 2019
LordReed:


Did you read anything about believing in something coming from nothing in the link you posted?
Ignore the dundi....Are you sure his likes are educated? Base their arguments on an online lists.he didn't even read through the list as his lame arguments don't correlate with the list.i have never seen someone so daft before
Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 6:26pm On Sep 05, 2019
LordReed:


It is good you met such an atheist so that you begin to understand that nonbelief in a god or god is the only defining characteristic of an atheist so when you say an atheist has to believe some other thing you are creating a strawman. An atheist is not required to believe in any other thing.
In other words, Atheists come to their conclusion of disbelief in God with no justification!?

I don't know an atheist with not justification for their choice of Atheism perhaps you know some.

Like I said: stop hiding!
disprove or accent to the justification I proposed as a question for you
LordReed:


Did you read anything about believing in something coming from nothing in the link you posted?

17 different kinds of Atheism. I posted videos of your evangelist/pastors. Do you agree with them or disagree?

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by Nobody: 6:29pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:

No one can exceed the state of purity of his mind. As far as I remember, I asked LordReed and CAPSLOCK the questions and not you.

If you want to answer the questions, be my guest but stop being childish by your choice of words. You gain nothing from being abusive.
I do find the wannabe atheist as saucy
Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 6:32pm On Sep 05, 2019
Michellekabod2:

Ignore the dundi....Are you sure his likes are educated? Base their arguments on an online lists.he didn't even read through the list as his lame arguments don't correlate with the list.i have never seen someone so daft before
Is this what Atheism has turned you into?
A person who doesn't have the qualities of a gentleman! SMH.

One can disagree without being offensive!

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by malvisguy212: 6:33pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:
Is this what Atheism has turned you into? A person who doesn't have the qualities of a gentleman! SMH.
One can disagree without being offensive!
a militant atheist.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 6:34pm On Sep 05, 2019
Michellekabod2:
I do find the wannabe atheist as saucy
Ok!
I could also be a wannabe theist you know!
Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 6:36pm On Sep 05, 2019
malvisguy212:
a militant atheist.
Militant and with a caustic heart spewing out exactly how he is on the inside.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by Nobody: 6:39pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:

Is this what Atheism has turned you into?
A person who doesn't have the qualities of a gentleman! SMH.

One can disagree without being offensive!
First, I am female not male (this one you have being calling me Sir!).
There is no rule determining the atheist temperament or personality. They are good,bad, evil, fine or ugly! You are forcing some qualities or attributes down our throats. An atheist disbelief in the existence of God. You create a strawman by further classifying us. Whatever are our reasons, that doesn't disqualify us from being atheists. Don't probe our reasons and use it to rank us.
There is no tag to whoever an atheist is,his lifestyle or choices! The only tag should be their disbelief in God! There is no code of conduct of atheists

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by malvisguy212: 6:44pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:

Militant and with a caustic heart spewing out exactly how he is on the inside.
I have received insult from them, I just learn to keep my head up. hey, you are a good man , I love your contributions here. I believe God love you more . thanks man.

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 6:46pm On Sep 05, 2019
LordReed:


Did you read anything about believing in something coming from nothing in the link you posted?
Are you saying that
You disagree with Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krause and Steven Hawkins?

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 6:47pm On Sep 05, 2019
malvisguy212:
I have received insult from them, I just learn to keep my head up. hey, you are a good man , I love your contributions here. I believe God love you more . thanks man.
Thanks Bro!
However, Some of them are still cultured

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by Nobody: 6:54pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:

Militant and with a caustic heart spewing out exactly how he is on the inside.
what will you say about Christians that insult?
Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 7:05pm On Sep 05, 2019
Michellekabod2:

First, I am female not male (this one you have being calling me Sir!).
There is no rule determining the atheist temperament or personality. They are good,bad, evil, fine or ugly! You are forcing some qualities or attributes down our throats. An atheist disbelief in the existence of God. You create a strawman by further classifying us. Whatever are our reasons, that doesn't disqualify us from being atheists. Don't probe our reasons and use it to rank us.
There is no tag to whoever an atheist is,his lifestyle or choices! The only tag should be their disbelief in God! There is no code of conduct of atheists
Sorry for misrepresenting your gender. Not deliberate.

I have met nice Atheists and a great asset to have is being ladylike: that has nothing much to do with religion.

However, I wasn't defining who an atheist is. The main theme says why Faith is Delusional. The general argument of the Atheist contributors hinged on Christians in particular not having any Empirical evidence of what they believed: the converse is that Atheists arrived at their conclusion from an empirical/scientific deductions.

Now, I bring out some empirical/ Scientific deductions and ATHEISTS are dodging because of the implication. It takes a greater faith to be an atheist.

My questions had been: You!
1. Do you personally believe that everything came out of nothing (according to Dawkins, Hawkins and Krause)
2. Do you believe that order can come out of chaos?

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Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 7:20pm On Sep 05, 2019
Michellekabod2:
what will you say about Christians that insult?
Such must be uncultured. What is wrong has no other name but wrong.
Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by Nobody: 8:06pm On Sep 05, 2019
shadeyinka:

Sorry for misrepresenting your gender. Not deliberate.

I have met nice Atheists and a great asset to have is being ladylike: that has nothing much to do with religion.

However, I wasn't defining who an atheist is. The main theme says why Faith is Delusional. The general argument of the Atheist contributors hinged on Christians in particular not having any Empirical evidence of what they believed: the converse is that Atheists arrived at their conclusion from an empirical/scientific deductions.

Now, I bring out some empirical/ Scientific deductions and ATHEISTS are dodging because of the implication. It takes a greater faith to be an atheist.

My questions had been: You!
1. Do you personally believe that everything came out of nothing (according to Dawkins, Hawkins and Krause)
2. Do you believe that order can come out of chaos?
Let me say a big FAT No for now, what rebuttal do you have?
Re: Why Faith Is Delusional by shadeyinka(m): 8:11pm On Sep 05, 2019
Michellekabod2:

Let me say a big FAT yes for now, what rebuttal do you have?
Are you saying Yes to both questions?

My questions had been: You!
1. Do you personally believe that everything came out of nothing (according to Dawkins, Hawkins and Krause)
2. Do you believe that order can come out of chaos?

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