LordReed:


Who told you any of these is what atheism is about?

shadeyinka:


An atheist is a person who claims to believe in Empirical and Physical evidence yet believes that
1. Order and systems can come out of NOTHING and
2. Chaos can self organizer into order with no outside influence.
Is that not a contradiction!?

shadeyinka:


Why being evasive in your response.? Let me help you out incase you've forgotten what you believe


2. Proposition:
a. The universe originated from a Bang and the force of the bang is so great that the expansion can be measured even Billions of years after. The expansion could at best be described as an explosion.

b. All natural explosions are chaotic except it is subject to an external constraining force.

c. The law of entropy is violated when an explosion generates order

Please fault this?

1. The universe came out of nothing:
Hear from your Pastor Richard Dawkins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
And Pastor Lawrence Krauss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h43G83o5kc


Pastor Steven Hawkins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl3khaP72WU



And you were asking a question as if I lied against you.

shadeyinka:


An atheist is a person who claims to believe in Empirical and Physical evidence yet believes that
1. Order and systems can come out of NOTHING and
2. Chaos can self organizer into order with no outside influence.
Is that not a contradiction!?

LordReed:


LoL, once again who told you this is what atheism is about. Now think carefully before you answer this time.

An atheist is a person who claims to believe in Empirical and Physical evidence yet believes that
1. Order and systems can come out of NOTHING and
2. Chaos can self organizer into order with no outside influence.
Is that not a contradiction!?

CAPSLOCKED:



AN ATHEIST IS SIMPLY A PERSON WHO DISMISSES THE CLAIM THAT THERE'S A GOD.

shadeyinka:

Stop being evasive:
I did not claim to define Atheism.

I said:



1. Your choice of Atheism : was it based on SUBJECTIVE knowledge or EMPIRICAL knowledge?
2. According to you Since the Universe exist without a creator does it invalidate the assertion that the universe came out of nothing?
3. Every scientist know that the universe is expanding and one can project it back to the big bang. This can only mean that the universe with its guiding laws came out of chaos. Is this wrong according to your empirical knowledge?

You would not answer these questions because it exposes the foundation upon which your Atheism is based.

I have NOT defined Atheism!
See how you dodged the claim of your Pastors.

LordReed:


LoL! I don't know why it gets so complicated for you folks.

Atheism - disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of god or gods.

There is nothing in atheism that says you must base your atheism on a belief that the universe came from nothing or that chaos spontaneously creates order without external agency. The simple question atheism asks is can you prove convincingly that a god or gods exist? If you want to "disprove atheism" all that is needed is to prove a god or gods exist. Lumping atheism with cosmology and evolution shows you have a poor understanding of the subject matter. Even if tomorrow you disprove evolution or anything we know about cosmology, you still won't have answered the question atheism asks.

shadeyinka:

Why being evasive?
I didn't define Atheism so stop throwing the definition of Atheism in my face

I have asked you LordReed direct personal questions: what's so difficult in answering them?

You want to hide under the general umbrella of Atheism and I want to engage you at your own personal level.

I have met an Atheist who doesn't believe in God's existence BUT believes in INCANTATIONS and supernaturalism.

So, don't hide: let's know your brand of Atheism. So, answer my questions

Michellekabod2:
keep building a mansion on a strawman! You have met an atheist that doesn't believe in..... How does that equate the entire population of atheists? Do you know they are some people who stopped going to church alone and term themselves atheists? Just like tagging all christians because of what one or two does. You don't have to obfuscate by forcing us to accept a definition of ourselves. This strawman you created was to score cheap points(albeit you failed woefully attempting it!)

shadeyinka:

Why being evasive?
I didn't define Atheism so stop throwing the definition of Atheism in my face

I have asked you LordReed direct personal questions: what's so difficult in answering them?

You want to hide under the general umbrella of Atheism and I want to engage you at your own personal level.

I have met an Atheist who doesn't believe in God's existence BUT believes in INCANTATIONS and supernaturalism.

So, don't hide: let's know your brand of Atheism. So, answer my questions

shadeyinka:


Sorry sir!
The illustration is to show you that there are several branches within Atheism. Which one are you?

17 kinds of Atheism?
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487

It's obvious your personal beliefs aren't worth anything apart from being part of the band wagon of wanna be Atheist!

shadeyinka:


Sorry sir!
The illustration is to show you that there are several branches within Atheism. Which one are you?

17 kinds of Atheism?
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487

It's obvious your personal beliefs aren't worth anything apart from being part of the band wagon of wanna be Atheist!

Michellekabod2:


Mor0n , I have identified with being an agnostic atheist before on NL with my moniker....I am sure if they are classifications of Christian's you will fall into the ones gifted with meagre brains

LordReed:


Did you read anything about believing in something coming from nothing in the link you posted?

LordReed:


It is good you met such an atheist so that you begin to understand that nonbelief in a god or god is the only defining characteristic of an atheist so when you say an atheist has to believe some other thing you are creating a strawman. An atheist is not required to believe in any other thing.

LordReed:


Did you read anything about believing in something coming from nothing in the link you posted?

shadeyinka:

No one can exceed the state of purity of his mind. As far as I remember, I asked LordReed and CAPSLOCK the questions and not you.

If you want to answer the questions, be my guest but stop being childish by your choice of words. You gain nothing from being abusive.

Michellekabod2:

Ignore the dundi....Are you sure his likes are educated? Base their arguments on an online lists.he didn't even read through the list as his lame arguments don't correlate with the list.i have never seen someone so daft before

shadeyinka:
Is this what Atheism has turned you into? A person who doesn't have the qualities of a gentleman! SMH.
One can disagree without being offensive!

Michellekabod2:
I do find the wannabe atheist as saucy

malvisguy212:
a militant atheist.

shadeyinka:

Is this what Atheism has turned you into?
A person who doesn't have the qualities of a gentleman! SMH.

One can disagree without being offensive!

shadeyinka:

Militant and with a caustic heart spewing out exactly how he is on the inside.

LordReed:


Did you read anything about believing in something coming from nothing in the link you posted?

malvisguy212:
I have received insult from them, I just learn to keep my head up. hey, you are a good man , I love your contributions here. I believe God love you more . thanks man.

shadeyinka:

Militant and with a caustic heart spewing out exactly how he is on the inside.

Michellekabod2:

First, I am female not male (this one you have being calling me Sir!).
There is no rule determining the atheist temperament or personality. They are good,bad, evil, fine or ugly! You are forcing some qualities or attributes down our throats. An atheist disbelief in the existence of God. You create a strawman by further classifying us. Whatever are our reasons, that doesn't disqualify us from being atheists. Don't probe our reasons and use it to rank us.
There is no tag to whoever an atheist is,his lifestyle or choices! The only tag should be their disbelief in God! There is no code of conduct of atheists

Michellekabod2:
what will you say about Christians that insult?

shadeyinka:

Sorry for misrepresenting your gender. Not deliberate.

I have met nice Atheists and a great asset to have is being ladylike: that has nothing much to do with religion.

However, I wasn't defining who an atheist is. The main theme says why Faith is Delusional. The general argument of the Atheist contributors hinged on Christians in particular not having any Empirical evidence of what they believed: the converse is that Atheists arrived at their conclusion from an empirical/scientific deductions.

Now, I bring out some empirical/ Scientific deductions and ATHEISTS are dodging because of the implication. It takes a greater faith to be an atheist.

My questions had been: You!
1. Do you personally believe that everything came out of nothing (according to Dawkins, Hawkins and Krause)
2. Do you believe that order can come out of chaos?

Michellekabod2:

Let me say a big FAT yes for now, what rebuttal do you have?

My questions had been: You!
1. Do you personally believe that everything came out of nothing (according to Dawkins, Hawkins and Krause)
2. Do you believe that order can come out of chaos?