StacyO:
Lol

Sex isn't the only thing to offer in a relationship (females)
Neither is money (males)

You can't have something I need in abundance and deprive me of it.
I'll be the one to dump you.
Unless due to some other circumstances you ain't financially stable,that's quite understandable.


Deprive me of our success and I'll deprive you so many packages attached to me.

nonut:
You're running around in circles, saying the same thing. You only have sex to offer, that's why you want money. If you had your own money, a man then needs more to have you.

Kriss216:

Men work for their money, they’re entitled to hoard their money.

Pussy was given freely to girls, they shouldn’t hold that as a leverage.

Ryan03:
lol. I can't conclude yet na, as per referee when I be, it is too early to decide. Some men are still crying over the fact that women have decided to hoard their pussies

ityP:



Who you see dey cry? Babes don cry tire throughout this week. They are still crying. Like I said, both men and women get konji. If you doubt, tell your babe say no more sex and see her reaction. But only one dey collect money. So who lose

walkingshadow911:




lol!
But wait o! How come what is between a woman leg is so important to her that she cant let go when we men only sees it as object of 5 minutes satisfaction that doesn't put food on our table. women need to channel their energy into self-development rather than guiding indomie o. its frustration and pervertness makes people exchanges money for sex.

wahala for a woman that is not hardworking o

Farid24224:
Ehn!!! Okunie!! You wanted to say Nigerian girls depends on our money nowadays right??

Kriss216:
Don't call me oga please.

Ezi1993:

Please read the lines again.

Ezi1993:


Yes! the thing between a woman's leg is so important to her because you aren't married to her...

Get married to her and see her even begging for it.

walkingshadow911:



Ta ah!

You are a Pathological Liar


my gf begs for it and doesn't demand money because she is not poor and broke like you i guess. we both enjoys it on every occasion. this is pure intimacy.

Broke girls are not fit for relationship. It's rather prostitution in disguise .

Married men are mostly sex starved going by statistics

Farid24224:


No na!! I get what you want to say, Nigerian girls are no longer depending on guy's money.... Blatant lie

Ezi1993:


hahahaha look at this one....an empty vessel makes the largest noise..

See let me tell you ehn,,i can feed from you to ur entire family right now without shaking..


She's not poor and broke yet she's opening her legs for someone that isn't yet married to her...

I guess she's doing that to get your #500 transport as usual...

Mmmmmmmttttttccccccchhhheeeeeeewwwwww!!!!

Ryan03:
you seem to be reacting base on emotions right now, na referee I be so I am calmly taking stat. Relax, scores go soon come out

Ezi1993:


hahahaha look at this one....an empty vessel makes the largest noise..

See let me tell you ehn,,i can feed from you to ur entire family right now without shaking..


She's not poor and broke yet she's opening her legs for someone that isn't yet married to her...

I guess she's doing that to get your #500 transport as usual...

Mmmmmmmttttttccccccchhhheeeeeeewwwwww!!!!

Ezi1993:


Ok,,,but must of them don't.

jelel6:


You've said a lot of things (and I agree with your overall point) here that as much as I would love to respond to each, doing so would distract from the aim of my initial response you quoted.

First, I didn't make that initial comment to 'win' or score points for the gender. I try not to engage in that and that was not my intention atleast.

Now, you've said you don't subscribe to distinctions like hard-working and dignity, fine, we can do away with them.

However, do you find women closing legs as an appropriate response to men who decides to be stingy? Would that even be your own reply? Is that a response you would comfortably say in the midst of women you respect and others who look up to you?

And I didn't infer in anyway that you said anything for the gender or win?

Don't misrepresent me. I never said I don't believe in dignity and hard work. Your comment that I quoted was talking about how hard work brings a woman respect (in the eyes of men), and that was what I responded to (you can let me know if I misunderstood it). ""Hardworking women" as opposed to "slay queens" are more respected, etc." I'm saying the distinction do not matter to most men (I'll agree with you that not all men are disrespectful - the people that matter will respect you); but it's not the norm. Men do not respect a successful woman, and for her person. The most they'll feel is intimidation because they cannot do anything to her based on her status and wealth, and that "fear" could be taken for respect.

Those women that LEGITLY worked hard will still be shamed. Even Kamala Harris was accused of sleeping her way to the top, so, no, men will not respect you because of status and hard work, especially when you do not conform to traditional stereotypes as a woman. Be a boss because you want to be happy and it's your values. Our mothers and some of our young girls ARE hardworking - men still come here to call women lazy and oloshos.

An housewife is no more better than a career woman and vice versa, and so she deserves respect as well without her financially contributing shishi. A CEO lady will also get dragged through the mud, with labels pasted on her as they do to the slay queens.

To your question: I consider the "closing legs" clapback a response, but not in relation to "stingy men," especially as an appropriate one. I don't see it as responding *to*, I see it as just a response that sprung up on its own and I do not fault it. "Stingy men" came up on the assumption that women can only bill and are jobless; "closed legs" is also on the assumption that sex is a life hose to men - they can't do without it. Let us take what we assume will "pain" the other sex.

Men are not taking their money because it's only what they can give, are they? Same for women.

Another angle is that it is all bants - I'm not seeing the social implications. But even if there were any, the response fits in a patriarchal system.

Patriarchy: Man brings money; woman brings body.
Feminism: Women and men can/should bring money; women and men can/should bring bodies.
Reversed patriarchy: Men hold onto resources (for acquiring tools); women hold onto bodies (the tools for reproduction).

Let me clear this: my "analysis" or understanding of or opinion on something =/= my support for it. Ehen. Don't come and drag me for calling women "tools" here.

So there. There's that.

I have no business with misogynists who think stinginess is a way of punishing me. And I won't advise any of my girlfriends or "someone that looks up to me" to relate with such men. The women I respect also are not in such companies, because this is not a serious convo. so, no, I don't subscribe to such.

My ish is with y'all bringing up dignity/morals because women decided to "chook" mouth — and it's even more hilarious that "pro-prostitution feminists" are saying closing legs in response to no money is devaluing.

Bringing money on a man's part is worthy, giving or withholding sex on a woman's part is devaluing. Reallyyyy? If you want the liberal notion of us equally benefiting from sex, then bring money, let us enjoy as a COUPLE. And be ready to enjoy my lavish spending on you without feeling emasculated and defaulting to "I am your provider and so, you're at my mercy if I withdraw money." Kapish?

I don't know if all I've said made sense, though...

Magnoliaa:


And I didn't infer in anyway that you said anything for the gender or win?

Don't misrepresent me. I never said I don't believe in dignity and hard work. Your comment that I quoted was talking about how hard work brings a woman respect (in the eyes of men), and that was what I responded to (you can let me know if I misunderstood it). ""Hardworking women" as opposed to "slay queens" are more respected, etc." I'm saying the distinction do not matter to most men (I'll agree with you that not all men are disrespectful - the people that matter will respect you); but it's not the norm. Men do not respect a successful woman, and for her person. The most they'll feel is intimidation because they cannot do anything to her based on her status and wealth, and that "fear" could be taken for respect.

Those women that LEGITLY worked hard will still be shamed. Even Kamala Harris was accused of sleeping her way to the top, so, no, men will not respect you because of status and hard work, especially when you do not conform to traditional stereotypes as a woman. Be a boss because you want to be happy and it's your values. Our mothers and some of our young girls ARE hardworking - men still come here to call women lazy and oloshos.

An housewife is no more better than a career woman and vice versa, and so she deserves respect as well without her financially contributing shishi. A CEO lady will also get dragged through the mud, with labels pasted on her as they do to the slay queens.

To your question: I consider the "closing legs" clapback a response, but not in relation to "stingy men," especially as an appropriate one. I don't see it as responding *to*, I see it as just a response that sprung up on its own and I do not fault it. "Stingy men" came up on the assumption that women can only bill and are jobless; "closed legs" is also on the assumption that sex is a life hose to men - they can't do without it. Let us take what we assume will "pain" the other sex.

Men are not taking their money because it's only what they can give, are they? Same for women.

Another angle is that it is all bants - I'm not seeing the social implications. But even if there were any, the response fits in a patriarchal system.

Patriarchy: Man brings money; woman brings body.
Feminism: Women and men can/should bring money; women and men can/should bring bodies.
Reversed patriarchy: Men hold onto resources (for acquiring tools); women hold onto bodies (the tools for reproduction).

Let me clear this: my "analysis" or understanding of or opinion on something =/= my support for it. Ehen. Don't come and drag me for calling women "tools" here.

I have no business with misogynists who think stinginess is a way of punishing me. And I won't advise any of my girlfriends or "someone that looks up to me" to relate with such men. The women I respect also are not in such companies, because this is not a serious convo. so, no, I don't subscribe to such.

My ish is with y'all bringing up dignity/morals because women decided to "chook" mouth — and it's even more hilarious that "pro-prostitution feminists" are saying closing legs in response to no money is devaluing.

Bringing money on a man's part is worthy, giving or withholding sex on a woman's part is devaluing. Reallyyyy? If you want the liberal notion of us equally benefiting from sex, then bring money, let us enjoy as a COUPLE. And be ready to enjoy my lavish spending on you without feeling emasculated and defaulting to "I am your provider and so, you're at my mercy if I withdraw money." Kapish?

I don't know if all I've said made sense, though...

jelel6:


You didn't. We both know people who want to win have to hold on to their initial positions, no matter what. And we'll both be wasting our time if one of us think they needed to win.

I talked about hardwork and dignity, but not specifically because women should have it to get respect from men. I said later I hope they have it for themselves and because it's better for the society (which includes men and women).

Funnily, I wouldn't make this distinction myself because I think slaying and working hard are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Women can be both. Though where it gets blurry and problematic is when we have to define what slaying is all about and what it constitutes.

Beyonce says she slays but is she hard-working? Resounding YES because you don't get to handed that level of success. Does she have respect? Many of her peers say she's the actual best.

A lot of women say that @bolded. I don't intend to downplay your opinion or even experience here, but have you asked if men respect successful men or fear successful men?

You talked about intimidation, and status and wealth while making a point. Forgive me if I'm quite intimidated if I get to collab with a Tiwa or Rihanna today because of their successes.

But what if I'm actually intimidated by these women by their actions and demeanor?

There are many women who have admitted that female bosses tend to have a different kinda vibe with them compare to male bosses.

People who make their suppose successes, wealth, statuses, and positions the centerpiece of their personality tend to make other people fear or loathe them, atmost. But not respect them.

Men, I often find - especially when they want to - are able to separate themselves from the 'success'. Hence, they tend to be liked. Which helps them influence others without their authority or agendas being questioned.

You might say respect is and should be enough.. But I'll ask, how many people really know and understand what respect is? Whether the recipient or the giver?

� I couldn't agree more. 1K, 2K, 500K... But it's hard to quantify and reward women for the job they do on the home front. Especially when it comes to child bearing and raising little kids. And Cooking ?

For the sake of my sisters and female friends, I hope many other men really recognise, acknowledge and appreciate that fact above. Atleast, let them chip in a well-done anytime they get the opportunity.

The problem of quantifying. I won't be bothered. Whoever think that arrangement suits them should go ahead and do so. Na one place where all these argument of feminism and working double shift in 21st century dey come up from. The times will always clash with that set up, unless you're a taarty beelion haver and medical practitioner ready to conduct series of tests like pan-sofist .

Hehehe . On a lighter note, if the aim is to stick it up where it hurts, then there's nothing to assume. As a guy with first-hand knowledge of how we operate, it's going to pain them.

No. Okay...

Nah. It's not all banter. People are actually saying what they know, and showing who they are. Or is the mindsets on display here actually different from real life?

Sometimes, I'm sure you'll probably be too clever for your own good. And no, I won't drag you on that note.

If only we can avoid or barricade ourselves against the things we don't accept and never have to directly respond or react to them.

We bring up dignity/personal values because we have to appeal to something, anything they hold dear. Something bigger than themselves.

Some women have been fighting every day to change the narrative that women are nothing more than a pretty face, big boobs and huge butts. That they seem to only be able to make a difference with their bodies and never their brains or hands. That women expect the society to regard them when it really matters if they just smile and sit pretty. Women don't want to be seeing as objects but they by actions, whether intentionally or not, objectify their bodies. Objectify their sexualities. They objectify sex. They unwittingly make (sex) part of them. Men don't do that. They don't flash their Dicksons and expect the society to invite them to where real affairs of society are being discussed.

You want to know why even closet-prostitutes are not happy with what 'closing legs' signify? It's because it's admittance of what some men have been always saying that women are good for.

It's devaluing because it has a price. Apparently, the price is so low that any body (man) can have a hump.

If there's any other words or label for a stingy man, these women thinking it's all just banter can find them and call men who are overtly or covertly supportive of the SMAN. Most already wear the badge on their real social media profiles with honour. They won't mind because it probably won't stick.

But know they will call women with the real terms that dictionaries defines the practices of selling sex for money - prostitutes, hoes, sluts And they will rightly expect every woman who engage in such arrangements to proudly wear the badge like a honour because it's what they are.

Sigh. I'm not going into these. I was talking about this with some ladies here. It's in men to ALWAYS shame everything women do. Besides, no be today e start. This conversation is just a microcosm of a bigger, rooted issue - it didn't start with SWAN. Men have encyclopedias for words to degrade women with; women hardly have even a flyer. Without this conversation, there are still millions of women suffering under the boots of patriarchy. You only have to disagree with or reject or ignore or block a man before he calls you ashawo (e even happen to me about se hours ago for dis NL ). Even when you've offered no price, so... same issue of social consequences we've created. Men who sleep around are hailed; if they collectively benefited from prostitution, it would have been legalized (and even some pimps are working towards it, prostituting women benefits them).

If a woman withold sex because she can and wants to, it'd be what it is: witholding sex because she can and wants to.

And if a woman withhold sex because she can and because a man refuses to be her financier, it'd be what it is: withholding sex because she can and a man refuses to pay for it.

But when we fight, women shouldn't bring down our self-esteem to the lowest of the low with their words you know? They can hurt like hell. You can break us. Everyone breaks. So, let's both be matured whatever the dynamics...

No wahala. No offense oh, buh, and I can see you do, will you go on to be evangelizing and sensitizing Nairaland men? You can't keep hitting people and feeding them shit and expect them not to turn and retaliate on you one day. I'll be watching out for your soothing words admonishing Nairaland men to sheath their swords.

... Something a good discussant would say. If only you'd believe me if I said you didn't

walkingshadow911:

cry a river.
i dont trade words with a prostitute

Magnoliaa:


And I didn't infer in anyway that you said anything for the gender or win?

Don't misrepresent me. I never said I don't believe in dignity and hard work. Your comment that I quoted was talking about how hard work brings a woman respect (in the eyes of men), and that was what I responded to (you can let me know if I misunderstood it). ""Hardworking women" as opposed to "slay queens" are more respected, etc." I'm saying the distinction do not matter to most men (I'll agree with you that not all men are disrespectful - the people that matter will respect you); but it's not the norm. Men do not respect a successful woman, and for her person. The most they'll feel is intimidation because they cannot do anything to her based on her status and wealth, and that "fear" could be taken for respect.

Those women that LEGITLY worked hard will still be shamed. Even Kamala Harris was accused of sleeping her way to the top, so, no, men will not respect you because of status and hard work, especially when you do not conform to traditional stereotypes as a woman. Be a boss because you want to be happy and it's your values. Our mothers and some of our young girls ARE hardworking - men still come here to call women lazy and oloshos.

An housewife is no more better than a career woman and vice versa, and so she deserves respect as well without her financially contributing shishi. A CEO lady will also get dragged through the mud, with labels pasted on her as they do to the slay queens.

To your question: I consider the "closing legs" clapback a response, but not in relation to "stingy men," especially as an appropriate one. I don't see it as responding *to*, I see it as just a response that sprung up on its own and I do not fault it. "Stingy men" came up on the assumption that women can only bill and are jobless; "closed legs" is also on the assumption that sex is a life hose to men - they can't do without it. Let us take what we assume will "pain" the other sex.

Men are not taking their money because it's only what they can give, are they? Same for women.

Another angle is that it is all bants - I'm not seeing the social implications. But even if there were any, the response fits in a patriarchal system.

Patriarchy: Man brings money; woman brings body.
Feminism: Women and men can/should bring money; women and men can/should bring bodies.
Reversed patriarchy: Men hold onto resources (for acquiring tools); women hold onto bodies (the tools for reproduction).

Let me clear this: my "analysis" or understanding of or opinion on something =/= my support for it. Ehen. Don't come and drag me for calling women "tools" here.

So there. There's that.

I have no business with misogynists who think stinginess is a way of punishing me. And I won't advise any of my girlfriends or "someone that looks up to me" to relate with such men. The women I respect also are not in such companies, because this is not a serious convo. so, no, I don't subscribe to such.

My ish is with y'all bringing up dignity/morals because women decided to "chook" mouth — and it's even more hilarious that "pro-prostitution feminists" are saying closing legs in response to no money is devaluing.

Bringing money on a man's part is worthy, giving or withholding sex on a woman's part is devaluing. Reallyyyy? If you want the liberal notion of us equally benefiting from sex, then bring money, let us enjoy as a COUPLE. And be ready to enjoy my lavish spending on you without feeling emasculated and defaulting to "I am your provider and so, you're at my mercy if I withdraw money." Kapish?

I don't know if all I've said made sense, though...

Magnoliaa:
.

Now, you've piqued my curiosity. What brought about this?

Abeg, I go like read your submission and appeals and subpoenas to men's dignity and everything, directing exactly everything you said here to men in a way that speaks to them. I just want to see your criticism of what men did.

No wahala. No offense oh, buh, and I can see you do, will you go on to be evangelizing and sensitizing Nairaland men? You can't keep hitting people and feeding them shit and expect them not to turn and retaliate on you one day. I'll be watching out for your soothing words admonishing Nairaland men to sheath their swords.

I believe you. I know I don't always make sense. I've never.

jelel6:


...It's like when you unwisely decide to answer correctly the teacher's question after the class bully has failed and was embarrassed for it. Only to have them target you afterwards.

Sometimes, even a good quality can be disadvantageous.

Then I'll say you don't give yourself enough credit

Overall, while I don't share all your views, I've taken a lot from what you've said here and from your earlier submissions. I appreciate your perspective on some of the issues that ultimately came up. So, Respect.

Kriss216:
The only thing an average Nigerian girl can offer in a relationship is just sex.


The truth remains, sex is the cheapest commodity in town presently. Chat a random girl online, promise her lunch or dinner and watch her open legs like a fountain of river.

BRATISLAVA:


Those are some nice tribal marks you have there. Complimenting.