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Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 7:47am On Jan 15, 2021 |
SaintBishop: Thanks. Now take your misery out of this thread. May your spittle wipe your filthy face. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 7:51am On Jan 15, 2021 |
KAHBOOM: Thanks bro. I suspect the Sidi are more recent migrants from East Africa. Perhaps centuries old. The first Indians were the Africans known today as 'Dravidians' and they retain their very dark skin colour owing to the sub-tropical climate of the Indian sub-region. If they had settled in say Japan or China, they would have become much lighter skinned by now due to the temperate climate. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by olisaEze(m): 7:55am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Aconomist: You do realize that people are not your enemies just because they look different. If only those that have the same skin tone as u do existed in the world, you’d still have people killing each other everyday. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by jmoore(m): 8:04am On Jan 15, 2021 |
The Igbo and Japanese words you listed, you failed to give their interpretations in both languages. 2 Likes |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 8:19am On Jan 15, 2021 |
jmoore: Their interpretations are not always the same. The similarities seem to have been based on word retention by memory as opposed to actual representation of the same meanings. But I have come across a list of same words and meanings. I'll see if i can find it to post later. Here is a list of same names Japan-Igbo, some with similar meanings. Oniye- Japanese word meaning religious sacrifice Onyinye- Igbo word meaning religious offering. Uke- Japanese word meaning ‘attack’ Uke- Igbo word meaning ‘evil attack’ Be- Ancient Japanese word meaning community Be- Igbo word meaning home Suru- Japanese word meaning to ‘die clothes using a wooden mold’ Suru- Igbo word for saying one has ‘washed clothes’ Obinata- Japanese surname Obinna- Igbo name To- Japanese word for ‘and’ To- Igbo word for ‘grow’ Asuka- Japanese town Nsukka- Igbo town Oji- Japanese town Oji- Igbo town Ikina- Japanese surname Ikenna- Igbo surname Ibuka- Japanese surname Ebuka- Igbo name Ishioka- Japanese town Ishi oka- Igbo phrase meaning, ‘the cub of a corn plant’ Tsujii- Japanese name Osuji- Igbo name Adachi-ku- Japanese city Adachukwu- Igbo name Adachi- Japanese name Adachi- Igbo name Otsu- Japanese town Otu- Igbo town Ara- Japanese feminine term Ara- Igbo word meaning breast Onishi- Japanese name Onyishi- Igbo word for leader Ozu- Japanese surname Ozu- Igbo town Obara- Japanese name Obara- Igbo word meaning blood Nanami- Japanese name Nnamani- Igbo surname Akechi- Japanese surname Nkechi- Igbo name https://igbodefender.com/2012/07/25/similarities-between-the-spellings-of-igbo-words-and-anglicized-japanese-words-japan-language/ |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Nobody: 8:22am On Jan 15, 2021 |
rosstiti: Lol... come on. Do those guys look 'black' or African to you?? They look like persons from the far North of Asia at best. And FYI, sir the Ainu's are not related to the Japs I'm any way neither do they speak the same language- same way the Ryukyuans/Okinawans are not related to the Japanese. The Ainu's are a distinct ethnic group. Japanese as a language was forced on them same way we were made to learn how to speak in English several years ago. Or why else do you think that the Japanese tried to get rid of their culture right after colonising their lands? Did you know these? And no, their origin lies to the very north of Asia The Japanese are not ethnically homogeneous. Do not forget that too. There is a reason it is called an empire. 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Nobody: 8:50am On Jan 15, 2021 |
rosstiti: No! The Ainus were never dark-skinned. And their appearing light-skinned has nothing to their mixing with 'Mongoloid groups' according to you. Where do you get your (alternative)'facts' from, sir? 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Nobody: 8:52am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Rossinnki: Preposterous! You mean you drew your inferences from the above?? |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 8:59am On Jan 15, 2021 |
mansakhalifa: YES THEY DO. Do they look white to you? They look like persons from the far North of Asia at best. Did the people of ''far North of Asia'' not come from somewhere? Did they drop from the sky? Don't come here pretending you cannot see the Africoid features being posted. Don't play silly games here. And FYI, sir the Ainu's are not related to the Japs I'm any way neither do they speak the same language- same way the Ryukyuans/Okinawans are not related to the Japanese. The Ainu's are a distinct ethnic group. Japanese as a language was forced on them same way we were made to learn how to speak in English several years ago. So what? Does English being forced on us mean we are no longer Africans or West Africans? Or why else do you think that the Japanese tried to get rid of their culture right after colonising their lands? We know the Ainu were based primarily in Hokkaido, northern Japan. As more immigrants entered the islands of Japan, they became less dominant. I don't see what your point is. Their ''origin'' lies in AFRICA. They were settlers in Asia, and were the first settlers of Japan. 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Vilgax: 9:01am On Jan 15, 2021 |
rossipki: you [b]MIGHT be on to something... but then again, it's most likely a pure coincidence. firstly, although the words are similar, do they have similar meanings? secondly, your time frame is slightly out of wack... the "Out of Africa Theory" is speculated to have possibly started as early as 270,000 years ago and as late as 80,000 years ago. (Wikipedia); whilst the major language family of West Africa (Niger-Congo language family) really took off during the Bantu Expansion which is believed to have taken place in at least two waves, between about 3,000 and 2,000 years ago. so in essence, it's hard to rationalise that a language that wasn't really developed could be carried to the farthest frontier of the Asian continent and still have such similarities to the contemporary form of its parent language(s)... thirdly, the fact that the Japanese language was developed in "relative" isolation has been widely debated. in conclusion, you might be on to something... but the criticism against your hypothesis is massively overwhelming. 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 9:05am On Jan 15, 2021 |
mansakhalifa: I'm done debating you. Forumers who want to know the race of the Ainu people should do a simple thing. Go on Google and type ''black Ainu people of Japan'' into Google images. You will see countless images of the dark-skinned Ainus this dude is saying were ''not dark skinned''. I don't debate unreasonableness. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 9:10am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Vilgax: This theory is based on further settlement of the region by Africans in more recent times IN ADDITION to the much earlier settlement propounded by the Out of Africa theory. Plus none of this is dependent on when European researchers believe the 'Niger-Congo' languages ''really took off''. They don't know that. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Beremx(f): 9:13am On Jan 15, 2021 |
mansakhalifa:you are right! I have been reading about this topic on google for the last 30mins. There’s no where it was mentioned that the Ainus are dark skinned except for a Nigerian who wrote his own history that the Ainus are black Africans. Their skin doesn’t look dark to me. They might be Africans but not dark skinned. https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/ainus-the-muurish-japanese-old-africans-of-japan-oguejiofor-annu/ |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 9:22am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Beremx: The Black Presence in Early Japan Although the island nation of Japan, occupying the extreme eastern extensions of Asia, is assumed by many to have been historically composed of an essentially homogeneous population and culture, the accumulated evidence (much of which has been quietly ignored) places the matter in a vastly different light, and though far more study needs to be done on the subject, it seems indisputable that Black people in Japan played an important role from the most remote phases of antiquity into at least the ninth century. Meaningful indications of an African presence in ancient Japan have been unearthed from the most remote ages of the Japanese past. To begin with, and as a significant example, a Feb. 15, 1986, report chronicled that: “The oldest Stone Age hut in Japan has been unearthed near Osaka. … Archaeologists date the hut to about 22,000 years ago and say it resembles the dugouts of African bushmen, according to Wazuo Hirose of Osaka Prefectural of Education’s cultural division. `Other homes, almost as old, have been found before, but this discovery is significant because the shape is cleaner, better preserved’ and is similar to the Africans’ dugouts.” In 1923, anthropologist Roland B. Dixon wrote that “this earliest population of Japan were in the main a blend of Proto-Australoid and Proto-Negroid types, and thus similar in the ancient underlying stratum of the population, southward along the whole coast and throughout Indo-China, and beyond to India itself.” Dixon pointed out that, “In Japan, the ancient Negrito element may still be discerned by characteristics which are at the same time exterior and osteologic.” http://www.noirguides.com/blackshogunofjapan.html |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Beremx(f): 9:28am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Rossinnki:okay thanks for this article. 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 9:34am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Beremx: You're welcome. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Yakuza69: 9:37am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Aliens also came from Africa 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by wickedtuna: 9:58am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Griffelspawn:It's quite sad that we are loosing a generation of thinkers who argued for and against a topic with valid points and not insults. Nothing in that post warranted any of your insult. 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by ijawcitizen(m): 10:04am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Pazienza, come see igbos of Japanese origin. The igbo ethnic franchise is increasing by the seconds. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Nobody: 10:05am On Jan 15, 2021 |
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Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by wickedtuna: 10:06am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Just like the ancient jomon tribe of Japan. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by passion007: 10:16am On Jan 15, 2021 |
This is preposterous to subsume entire cultures and civilisations under yours, simply because of similarities in spellings of words, never mind their meanings. The primary problem on this thread is a preconception that the world is either white or black, therefore images of Ainus with vague phenotypic similarities to Africans is taken as some sort of proof that Ainus are descended from Africa. Laughable, if I'm honest. All life started in Africa, but don't presume that earliest Africans looked like present day Africans, therefore the fallacy of this entire debate is comparing modern day groups to modern day Africans. But I wish the OP would stop referring to this coincidence of similar sounding names as 'research ', that's a slap in the face of researchers everywhere 2 Likes |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Yakuza69: 10:58am On Jan 15, 2021 |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by 2010goingon: 11:17am On Jan 15, 2021 |
passion007: Yes rightly said Actually the African origin of modern humans, also called the "Out of Africa" theory, recent single-origin hypothesis, replacement hypothesis, or recent African origin model is yet to be proven beyond doubt or rather assumed to be true untill proven wrong. Hence why it is called out of Africa " theory / hypothesis / model " . Also recent discoveries have created more questions https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2018/01/india-stone-tools-human-evolution-archaeology-science And what the OP in his or her ignorance don't realise Africans in Paleolithic ( old stone age ) don't bear resemblance to modern day Africans , same way they don't bear resemblance to modern day Chinese Japanese Indians Europeans. So entire credit for African civilization belongs to modern day Africans , same way entire credit for Indian , Chinese , Japanese , European etc civilization belongs to modern day Indians , Chinese , Japanese , Europeans etc respectively. Trying to appropriate credit for achievements of other civilizations is a sign of inferiority complex on the part of few African individuals and a great insult to the various noteworthy African civilizations which nurtured and prospered in Africa. It's like one is not happy with the achievements of one's own son , so he / she claimed another's son as own because they think he is better. I am a African and I am proud of African civilizations which is rooted in Africa . Does a mother thrown away her child because some might think it to be inferior ? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder . One has to be worthy to recognise and appreciate it. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 11:35am On Jan 15, 2021 |
2010goingon: Dude, I've been researching African history likely since before you were born, or while you were in nappies. The African civilizations you claim to be "proud of", I can school you in each and every one of them, including some you've never heard about. I have been educating folks on African history on this forum for the last decade at least. The idea that I am exposing the African presence in early civilizations across the world out of "inferiority complex" is laughable. If anything, it is out of "superiority complex''. Africa civilized the world. Black Africa gave the world speech, writing, mathematics, medicine, architecture, mining, metallurgy, astronomy, seafaring, philosophy, religion, laws, and cities. The data on that is incontrovertible, publicly available, and uncontested. The modern world you see today, and which you think was wrought by the "achievements" of other races, would have been impossible without the pioneering inventions and discoveries of black Africans. It was upon THAT platform of African ingenuity that all subsequent progress of the nations was, and is based. 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by 2010goingon: 12:01pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Rossinnki: You could be bill gates himself , who can tell , anonymity in cyberspace is God send, one can pretend to be anyone. Nobody here is a fool or rather it is foolish to think others are foolish If anybody is worth his / her salt 1. He / she will let the quality of his / her posts do the talking 2. He / she won't spend the last decade on a forum among anonymous posters achieving god knows what. 3. He / she would have best spend the time in real world to publish own accredited / peer reviewed papers / literature on his / her domain rather than spend time in a blog forum quoting uncredited sources from blogs and websites and making jingoistic claims . Even then i really appreciate the motive behind your effort and applaud it but your execution and premise is flawed . I know you will abuse me , feel free to do so , but I am hopeful you will realise my intention is not to discourage you but to push you towards the right way. I wish you success and God bless you ( Rest assured I will not cross your path again ) 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 12:09pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
2010goingon: History is not my profession. It's simply an area of strong interest. There are more than enough published works on African history, perched in library aisles, which few regular people get to read, apart from history students and professors. Exposing the truths on a forum like this has helped enlighten many people who would otherwise be ignorant of the African role in world civilization. Ordinary folk need to know it because the truth of their past has been distorted and bastardized by anti-African forces and interests, hellbent on spreading what the great African-American historian, Chancellor Williams, called a "manufactured history of insignificance". And that needs correcting. And I do include highly credible sources in all my expositions. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by mandarin: 12:45pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Many things have shaped human history and had fundamentally redesigned many historical timelines and events. From the Bible, if we take Adam & Eve to be a generation of people, then when men began to multiply the sons of GOD CAME DOWN AND MARRIED THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN AND THEY GAVE BIRTH TO HUGE MEN WHO WERE EXCEPTIONALLY BRILLIANT and became great investors and scientist. Now that showed that there was genetic mutation or people with new genetic make up were born. Lets safely assume two set of humans at the time; the original man & woman , and new generations of offspring with new pigmentation and DNA. The bible also recorded that violence began to increase and there were such scientific feats that spurred genetic mutation etc. As times went on, these new children would marry other children like themselves and from among the normal people and believe you me the intermarriage would be overwhelmingly popular producing and reproducing new DNA and genetic evolution. Until the flood came and wipe out most of the inhabitants of the earth which spared Noah and his family, at a latter time were the children of Anak, Goliath of Philistia and the Amalekites etc some of whom were giants which could mean that either the DNA continued after the flood or some people survived the flood. Another fundamental is the many natural disasters that may have separated continents which may have been together in ancient times such as earthquakes, flood and even meteorites from space. So, what am I driving at, the evolution of man are laid bare in many historical records especially the Bible and just a little research will help us to understand how we are all interwoven. 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by mekysmart123: 12:46pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
Ancient Proto Japanese were Negroes of course, even up to Korea, and China, but linking them up to Nigeria is what we don't have reliable information yet. |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 12:54pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
mekysmart123: True, but that is where the uncanny similarities in names come in. I mean, if we can see they came from Africa, and are bearing names like Yomi, Haruna, Kemi, Azuka, and Chikodi, then it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to posit that they came from OUR part of Africa, should it? 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by passion007: 1:26pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
2010goingon: I couldn't have said it better. Touché. And I appreciate your pointing out the out-of-Africa theory, which I misrepresented as fact. I've seen many similar propositions on this forum, seeking to rewrite other peoples history. Once you get past the arrogance of it, you quickly find the evidence is reeling in superficiality. I've seen so called Igbo scholars favouring a Jewish origin of the Igbos based on little more than shared similarities in word spellings, but not in meaning or enunciation. That or a new spin to existing literature, notably Equiano Olaudah's book, or the bible . The glaring error is not so apparent, it seems. Whilst they admit that ancient peoples of Eurasia have had aeons to evolve into their current phenotype, they think the peoples of Africa have remained exactly the same throughout this time, and therefore compare modern day non-African populations to modern day Africans. What a laugh. There is more to human origin than linguistic similarity, and even if languages are similar, it does not prove commonality or genetic similarity. But because gene level investigations are few and far between in these parts, we will continue to deal with people like the OP who will vehemently push social media theories as incontrovertible evidence. 1 Like |
Re: Are The Japanese Descended From Ancient Nigerian Migrants? by Rossinnki: 1:40pm On Jan 15, 2021 |
passion007: Stop being dumb and actually READ some of the research work that has been posted on this thread which goes beyond linguistic similarities. I won't bother reposting it all. If you're too lazy to read, or as is more likely, unwilling to acknowledge what was written, then you've no business being here in the first place, and you should stop pretending to be objective. |
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