GracieX3:



Buhari has totally destroyed the Nigerian economy. Yet, you are here talking nonsense about christianity destroying the Nigerian economy.

Pound Sterling was below 400 Naira before he entered. Today, it is 670 Naira
Multinational countries have removed their African Headquarters from Nigeria to other African countries
Instability with Boko Haram and herdsmen have destroyed businesses in the North.
Companies that rely on forex have all closed down
Corruption is at its highest.
Nigerians cannot get passports
Islamic terrorist sympathizers are now in government and backed by government.

Empiree you are a wicked muslim extremist. A dangerous madman.


CC usermane, tintingz

I guess he didn't see the irony. Lol

GracieX3:
Come and see your hero!

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I'm very sure you know I'm not Muslim?

Don't mention me with that foól M.H.

Queenlovely:
before converting to Islam, I was used to the idea of only one heaven, but now that I am a Muslim I find it hard to wrap my head around the idea of so many heavens

why do we have so many heavens?

do it mean that class division will continue even in heaven. I thought we would all be one in heaven. I hate rank

You left a fantasy belief to another fantasy belief. How ridiculous.

Is it that you discovered your former heaven belief don't have evidence and you find evidence of heaven in this your new belief?

Clowns

The time frame should give you the answer, it's simple logic.

Christianity/Judaism is an older Religion to Islam, their scriptures is far older than the Qur'an, it's obvious the person that wrote the Qur'an copied from the Bible as they share borders.

No, you're to be in the room and kitchen as a Muslim lady, there's nothing like women being independent in Islam. You can't even go out independently in Islamic doctrine, you must be followed by your relatives.

IMAliyu:

Welcome back man, this side has been kinda boring without you.

Thank you brother. I've been occupied with work that's why and besides this section is already a boredom zone already.

haekymbahd:
Generally the jews do not beleive that Ezra was the son of God intact it was the minority section of them who believed so..

What happened their is synonymous to Christian view of Jesus of which some believed he is God while other believe he is not God... Now majority are trinitarians while minority are Unitarian...

What I am trying to say is some sect of Jews then called Ezra son of God


Tafsir on the verse

"Or, did you see, such as he, Ezra (‘Uzayr), who (the kāf of ka’lladhī, ‘such as he who’, is extra) passed by a city, namely, the Holy House [sc. Jerusalem], riding on an ass and carrying with him a basket of figs and a cup of juice, [a city] that was fallen down, collapsed, upon its turrets, its roof tops: after Nebuchadnezzar had destroyed it; he said, ‘How (annā means kayfa, ‘how’) shall God give life to this now that it is dead?’, challenging the power of the exalted One, so God made him die, and remain dead for, a hundred years, then he raised him up, brought him back to life to show him how this could be done; He, God, said, ‘How long have you tarried?’, been here?; he said, ‘I have tarried a day, or part of a day’, because he fell asleep before noon, and was made dead and then brought back to life again at sunset, and thus he thought it was a day’s sleep; He said, ‘Nay; you have tarried a hundred years. Look at your food, the figs, and drink, the cup of juice, it has not spoiled, despite the length of time (the final hā’ of yatasannah, ‘to spoil’, is said to belong to the original root, s-n-h; but it is also said to be silent, in which case the root would be s-n-y; a variant reading omits the final hā’); and look at your ass, how it is, and he saw that it had died, and all that remained were its withered white bones. We did this so that you would know and, so that We would make you a sign, of [the truth of] the Resurrection, for the people. And look at the bones, of the ass, how We shall set them up, how We shall raise them back to life (nunshiruhā, or nanshiruhā, derived from the two expressions, nashara and anshara; a variant reading has nunshizuhā, meaning ‘How We shall move it and make it stand’); and then clothe them with flesh’, and when he looked at it, he saw that [the bones] had been reconstituted and clothed with flesh, and that the Spirit had been breathed into it, making it bray. So, when it was made clear to him, as a result of witnessing it, he said, ‘I know (a variant reading for a‘lam, ‘I know’, has [the imperative] i‘lam, ‘know!’, thus making it a command from God), with the knowledge of direct vision, that God has power over all things’."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 259)

"Yet they ascribe to God (li’Llāhi, the indirect object) as associates (shurakā’a, the direct object, which is substituted by [the following, al-jinn]) the jinn, since they obey them by worshipping graven images, even though He created them: so how can they be associates? And they falsely impute to Him (read kharaqū or kharraqū), that is, they invent, sons and daughters without any knowledge, saying, Ezra (‘Uzayr) is the son of God, and the angels are the daughters of God. Glory be to Him — an affirmation of His transcendence — and exalted be He above what they describe!, of Him having a child."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 100)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

This is so weak that it has no reliable independent reference. Good that you said "generally" the Jews don't believe Ezra is God's son. But...

Can you show us In the Jewish scriptures where it said Ezra Is the son of god? And also the name of this minority jewish sect?

I wonder why the Jews themselves are not aware of this sect.

LordReed:


Anyone who thinks religion is synonymous with truth is in for a shock.

Lol.

The Qur'an claim to be divine but it seems it's not as no where in the Jewish books or beliefs says that Ezra is son of God.

[Qur'an 9:30] The Jews say: "Ezra ('Uzayr) is Allah's son, "29 and the Christians say: "The Messiah is the son of Allah." These are merely verbal assertions in imitation of the sayings of those unbelievers who preceded them.30 May Allah ruin them. How do they turn away from the Truth?

Can Muslims explain how or where did Muhammed heard or saw that the Jews believe Ezra is the son of God?

I Went through this threads and I see pseudoscience nonsense and fairytales!

LordReed:
It's just so funny that this omnipotent god creates men with foreskin then requires them to cut it off and like you said create women to menstruate then shame them for it. Almost sounds like someone making rules as an after thought or even more plausibly human beings trying to retcon their sacred morality tales.

You get it.

It's either such god is not omnipotent or doesn't know what he was doing or he just like the stress or doesn't exist and they're just humans ideas(Ofcos it's obviously all humans ideas).

Doesn't make any sense why a god hate something but went ahead to create it or allow it to exist. Sometimes I wonder how Muslims aren't able to put this into thoughts or they did but just want to believe their god is mysterious.

Good day my people.

I want to really understand the omnipotence of the Muslim God Allah. In Islam almost every thing, your behavior is dictated already by one ancient man in the middle east, from how you eat to how you bath to how you sleep and so on, has been lay down even what to do after peeing, where to face to pee is lay down, what to do before and after having sex, telling women not to pray and touch the holy scriptures during their menstruation are lay down, there are many rules you've to follow to be a "true" Muslim, Islam is extremely a practical religion.

If all this stops at being humans commands alone atleast we will know it's from humans who are not omnipotent but this is coming from a suppose omnipotent God to humans to follow, so I question,

1. Is such God so petty that these things are his concern?

2. Is such God really omnipotent that he doesn't know the right thing to do before creating humans, doesn't he think he can save the stress by doing away with what he doesn't like?

No personal attack please, just address the Op If you want to.

Tummite:
Ahh...you have open you heart for shayton to place rumors there..
Truly, Allah knows it will happen but Allah don't stopped it from happen because if it doesn't happen and Allah told them that you may have among the loser if not for I had saved you.. Do you think they will believe..
Allah (Subuhanahu Was Tahala) want us to witness our acts and behavior..
Why do you think prophets are sent down..to warn us of course.. And I think the Second reason is that, Allah wants to separate those who are evil from us..
Apart from the work of iblis(angel-> Satan) some may be wicked among us..all hands are not equal..remember, we are here for test...
I used to call this world AN EXAMINATION HALL..

What does Allah want to gain from people witnessing for themselves of their deeds when he already knows who's good and bad before he even created them?

The event(myth) of Sodom and Gomorrah can be avoided if Allah is actually all-good.

iamgenius:

You don't know him? He only opens his mouth without knowing what will come out of it

Are you crying?

Onlysage:
Johnydon22
Tintingz
NwAamaikpe,
I hope they become active.

I'm honored. Much thanks. I'm smiling now.

This thread is actually a reaction to this thread https://www.nairaland.com/6184962/endsars-protests-demonstrations-civil-disobedience

Muhammad and majority Muslims usually say that people shouldn't protest against bad leadership, public advocacy.

But reading the story of Muhammad how Islam begin in Mecca, it was out of protest and campaign, Muhammad doesn't like the situation in his hometown and he protested and even campaigned by conquest.

Can Muslim here explain again why protest or public advocacy isn't good but good when Muhammad was campaigning for Islam?

Xmuslim:
yes, that Greek guy is more intellectually honest than Hijab. He is one of few Muslim scholars that admitted that Qur'an is not in line with modern science even though he concluded wrongly claiming that since science keeps changing, it can't discredit quran.

Exactly.

Xmuslim:
this verse says that if we doubt Qur'an, we should produce something like it. As a phylosopher, I'm extremely flabbergasted that you can't see the fallacy in this statement.

Can anyone write exactly like any other person? A test that can't be falsify is never a test.

Also, anyone that attempt to write similar Qur'an would be prosecuted in Islamic country as if he's commited a crime. Read news please. One happened recently (I fgt the country). You gave me a challenge, I attempt to do it, you arrest me for attempting. Is that normal?

Before you can see clearly, you need to abandon the fear of hell fire and criticise quran the same way you would criticise the Bible

The Qur'an challenge is ridiculous to begin with.

The Qur'an never gave parameters to determine when it's gotten right so with this lack of parameters the challenge becomes nonsensical. Even if you write better knowledgeable book than the Quran, the Muslims will easily reject it because there's no parameters to judge it.


And secondly how will they know the jinns have met the Qur'an challenge?

Theguided:


Go and search Mohammed hijab on YouTube. He uses the same logic to prove Islam. Trust me, I was a logical person and logically Islam proves itself. Watch his debates with people. He uses logic only. Just logic nothing else.

Muhammad Hijab is a clownry bully tho, I've watched some of his debates. He doesn't debate for intellect he debate for show.

I rather watch Hamza Tzortzis debate.

Realismailakabir:
i'm so happy for you my brother in islam. I've said it many times, and i'm still saying it that; No truth seeker will read Quran and remain thesame. Even no critic will read the Quran succesively without having a rethink. My advice for you is to keep reading the Qur'an as much as you can.

How did you arrive at this conclusion with just someone biased post? Like how?

I was expecting you to throw more questions at him like you did with ex-muslims.

Theguided:
I was born Muslim raised Muslim but alhamdulilah this year is the year I actually embrace Islam totally as my religion ( way of life). I did philosophy in school 200level that was the most confusing period of my life. I questioned everything and to make it worse I was leaving alone. Everything i read made sense and I could not differentiate between right and wrong. I started believing in subjective morality and that good and bad depends on the individual. I started thinking I was very smart and the religious people are just following crowd (subhanalah!). That period of my life was just following instincts arguing about God and saying all sort of rubbish and misleading people about Islam saying things like "if God was all-knowing, what is currently happening to me was His plan"..
I was still a Muslim tho. I avoided Major sins (or my ignorant version of major signs). And Christianity was out of the option for me cos that's when you'll start imagining God doing manly things because Jesus is God to them. Because God can do anything doesn't mean He should engage in un-Godly things like becoming human and having to eat and sleep. ( I mean no disrespect to the Christians, I have Christian families too). Alhamdulilah, that part was clear to me. Recently, I watched a video on YouTube about Yusuf Estes, a very knowledgeable Christian preacher and why he converted to Islam and how he took islam so serious that he became a sheikh. And me that has been a Muslim since birth was claiming "logical Muslim". Then I came across Mohammed hijab. And he used logic to dismantle completely atheistic views and Christian's views. I started reading the Quran and when I got to chapter 2 verse 23. It had a completely different meaning to me. Alhamdulilah Allah has guided me, Allah has given me certainty. I'm not forcing of calling anyone to islam, I'll implore everybody to get to know their creator. The God of Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad(saw). That's the only way. Islam is not a religion where you just accept what any tells you blindly, you have to ask questions. (I mean the right questions). Read the Quran as a seeker of truth not as a critic.. I bear witness that there is no other God except Allah
and rasoolulah peace be upon him is his messenger. Masha Allah tabaraka Allah.

Ok, quick question, out of over thousands Religions and Gods why did you choose Islam?

I know you gave some hint in your post but it's more of a biased angle than logical angle, i can mention ridiculous things about Allah and Muhammad.

So why did you choose Islam and Muhammad God Allah? Let have a rational discussion since you took philosophy in school.

kenzysmith:
have u experience it again mine is worst o I can hardly sleep oo

See a doctor if it persist.

Secondly, You need to work on your sleep position.

I can't believe i once believe in this Arabian man delusion.

Xmuslim:
I can't imagine that I once believe I would be having sex with virgins in the paradise. What a cheap method of selling a religion.

Threaten people with hell if they disbelief

Promise them everlasting sex with multiple women if they believe

The last bolded part looks like a suffering itself.

usermane:




OK. So why are atheists minority? You two ever considered this? It is because atheism as a mindset doesn't favor community growth.

Theism proactively build and sustain communities through daily or weekly congregational worship, annual festivals and rites like pilgrimage, special protection and privileges for members only. These things not only strengthen the bonds among the believers, but it attracts non-believers to join them.

Another thing, theists promote early marriage and raising as much children as possible as a means to expand their population. Atheists are less likelier to marry or have children than theists. So, that atheists are relatively so few is even more of a symptom of the inherent drawback of atheism, not an explanation for why they don't build civilization.

I hope you're not trying to commit argumentum ad populum fallacy?

Why are Atheists minority?

1. First of all we know humans want hope, they want quick answers to everything that's where Religions comes in it gives that delusory hope, like Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people".

2. Religion was created to control the society with beliefs, in the past Religion was the standard for ruling a community, everyone depends on the leader spirituality, gods etc. Now Religion has been separated from the state in almost all the country. So Religion was a good tool hold the society in the past.

3. Why are theists majority? We can see from the past campaign how some Religion was spread via conquests and invasion.

4. Why are Atheists minority? Well Atheism only has one position which is "lack of belief in god or gods" that's all, there's no priest nor scripture Atheists follow, there are no rituals nor doctrines, what most Atheists affiliated with is humanism and other philosophical ideology.

5. Yes Religion creates a community, bringing people together and indoctrinate them with different practices and fear, it also causes disasters in history, today more people are becoming irreligious according to a stats.

6. The idea that Atheists can't build civilization is false, the humanists movement are filled with heretics, irreligious people that want better well being for humanity using scientific evidence, reasoning, knowledge etc.

In modern times, humanist movements are typically non-religious movements aligned with secularism, and today humanism may refer to a nontheistic life stance centred on human agency and looking to science rather than revelation from a supernatural source to understand the world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

China is not even a Religious state but Atheist state and they're unified, developing and inventing new technology.

I didn't say that religion built civilization, I said religion organizes communities which later develop to form civilization. Civilization are built upon intelligence and hard work, not mere skepticism. Skepticism is a product of intelligence and intelligence is a product of genetics.

For intelligent minds to thrive and bring about any development, there is need for an organized society with order and decorum maintained through a legal system, which for much of history is religion.

Today most countries use secularism system to govern the society and not theocracy. So I still haven't gotten your whole point.

Humanism can achieve this without Religion infact I find humanism way better than Religion. If humanism was promoted very early the world would have dropped many barbaric and unreasonable practices.

budaatum:

I'm afraid science has developed by debunking beliefs.

Science, as in the use of the senses to test hypotheses, was not a thing early humans were conscious of. They were so ignorant that they believed in far more ridiculous gods than those believed in today. A reading of the early god books like Odysseus would show you how ignorant people actually were, and even the Bible we have today had to be revised so it's less ridiculous than its early versions were. Sceptism is why it was abandoned for the more 'scientific' explanation we have in Genesis. (Though I'm aware you would not agree that it was the science those who wrote it were capable of in their time).

A belief is the non-testing of a hypothesis. It was the lack of testing that made those hypothesis, things to be believed. The believing person takes a hypothesis as gospel. A scientist goes and checks with there own senses. You'd note this in child development, where sceptism develops as they grow, and even in the specific development of tintingz.

Here is [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+13%3A9-12&version=KJV]Paul talking describing you[/url].

When tingz was a child, tingz spake as a child, tingz understood as a child, tingz thought as a child and tingz believed as a child: but when tingz became an adult and developed the ability to use tingz's senses, tingz began doubting what tingz believed and therefore began testing those beliefs with tingz's senses, as in tingz began doing science. And as a time went by, the result is the sceptical tingz we have today who is trying to make others stop seeing partly through murky glass; but understand and know in full.

Unfortunately, tingz is so anti-religion - as in, so anti the ignorance that people have told tingz the books really mean - and tingz is not sufficiently sceptical about his religious understanding (as in the interpretation the religious give to the text), that tingz throws the baby out with the dirty water, instead of deciphering the text tingz self.

Do know that I bother with tingz so much because I believe, as in I have a hypothesis, that states, "tingz is sceptical enough to eventually understand". And I am scientifically testing if my hypothesis is true or false.

Ok.

budaatum:

By simple testing the hypothesis put forward to ascertain if it were true or ridiculous, which no one might have bothered to do without the hypothesis in the first place. You yourself are evidence of this fact. You would not be here applying science if the ridiculous did not exist.

Religion is early school where doctrines are taught as beliefs, and testing, a product of advanced school as a result of human progress simply replaces one doctrine (belief, sort of) for another, while sceptism helps weed out the ridiculous, and science (sense use) itself is the weeding tool. All have a role to play in the process of human evolution.

Funny enough, it is taught in the Garden of Eden where a doctrine was presented and found to be ridiculous once tested. Unfortunately, most who read that lesson are in religious school and dare not eat of the Fruits of Knowledge for fear they will die despite it being very clearly written that it is [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+36%3A12%2CProverbs+5%3A23%2CProverbs+10%3A21%2CHosea+4%3A6&version=ESV]ignorance that kills[/url]!

Refs
https://www.nairaland.com/5898932/daddy-freeze-explains-why-lucifer/1#90252361

https://www.nairaland.com/5210433/prefer-world-where-religion-dont/1#78830199

https://www.nairaland.com/5210433/prefer-world-where-religion-dont/4#78905562

Science turn an unknown phenomena to an hypothesis rather than some belief(in absolutism form).

Yes these ridiculous beliefs triggered doubts and questioning among early scholars that beget science but that doesn't mean science can't develop without it as it has it method.

Usermane, there's fault in your post.

First of all in history Atheists and non-religous people are minority in the past, infact I would say non-religous people were 1%. Almost every field were dominated by Religious people, so who else will develop civilization?

Secondly Religion didn't develop civilization, it's skepticism which led to science that developed civilization, yes many of them were religious and theists but they didn't brought about civilization because of their Religious status or beliefs. The ancient Greek scholars even tho some believed in the Gods but they were skeptics and heretics.

Religion as a whole is not even the problem, it's the ridiculous doctrines that's the problem. Imagine believing the gods cause diseases or earthquake, how will science develop from this belief?

Happy Eid celebration to my Muslim friends and enemies here.

budaatum:

That is what tintingz believes after all tintingz read.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcw_18x6n6A

I am saying, it is when you make it the Word of Allah.

Are you confused?