Standing5:
^^ waiting for answer . . .

Logicboy03:
Sharia courts, you say? What power and jurisdiction do they have? Hmm? Can they overrule British courts and their secular laws? They are mostly arbirary and can only be used when both parties agree.

Can you compare that to sharia courts in Nigeria or Saudi?
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What best life? To be intolerant of atheists and agnostics? To hate gays? lmao? For women to besilent in churches according to Paul in the new testament?
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Slavery is regulated in the bible and the same missionaries defended slavery. So shut up. Please read

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/slavery_1.shtml
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Intolerance to unbelievers is the hallmark of religious morality
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Rubbish. We have seen many countries drop the importance of religion and maintain decency and development. That is the usual trend.

Logicboy03:
Fail
My problem is not with the british but the religion.
Troll harder

Logicboy03:



/basic understanding of economics is lacking. Not all European countries were devastated by the financial crisis.

The economic situation of some of these countries you are talking about are in resurgence!


What you dont understand is that these Western countries have had their economy grown to monumental size. Sometimes too much growth will lead to a crash and then stagnmation and then growth. An economic cycle of boom and bust.

Even at the stages of bust and gloom your African economy is no where near theirs

elampiro:

How dso you mean that basic understanding of economics is lacking? Do you know what grade I obtained in school and in what discipline?

Most countries of Europe are experiencing the worst economic and financial woes since the great depression, the leaders aren't sleeping and this has been a subject of debates in summits all the time, yet you are here trivializing it. If not for bailout, how many countries would have by now be bankrupt and cash trapped? In Spain, report has it that some senior citizens search dustbin for disposed food items. Italy has a record of several suicides. Nigeria may be poor, but people without jobs still survive by leaning on family members.

As I said, we cannot model our belief after some sinking economies. They are suffering lack of faith and it is reflecting in their lives. It is same lack of faith prophesied by the gospel.

As fo Nigeria not been able to measure up to western economies, you should ask yourself how old is Nigeria economy compared to the west?

SHOPPERS: @OP. One mistake you're making here is "generalisation". The fact that "most" British people are not attending churches does not mean that "All of Britain Don't"! It's not as if all Africans attend Churches too, or you no be African? Abi you dey attend church?

And I'm seriously wondering what concerns you about the fact that others are attending Churches- if you're not attending, fine. Leave others- you're turning yourself to "an Atheist Preacher/Fanatic!"

SHOPPERS: @OP. One mistake you're making here is "generalisation". The fact that "most" British people are not attending churches does not mean that "All of Britain Don't"! It's not as if all Africans attend Churches too, or you no be African? Abi you dey attend church?

And I'm seriously wondering what concerns you about the fact that others are attending Churches- if you're not attending, fine. Leave others- you're turning yourself to "an Atheist Preacher/Fanatic!"

Logicboy03:
Fail
My problem is not with the british but the religion.
Troll harder

seyibrown:

@ Logicboy03:

Is that a 'facepalm' of you giving up in defeat? SHOPPERS got your right there! ! Especially with your confession as below:

Logicboy03:



What does faith have to do with economics?


You want to model your economy on Jesus's Isreal that was run on slave labour?


You live in fantasy land. Even in Lekki where the rich live in lagos, try to go clubbing and you will se hungry area boys that will fight to park your car.

People are eating from dustbin on a daily basis. Poverty is extreme in Nigeria and you have the nerve to point at another economy?

elampiro:

Now you ask the question about faith and economy. Lol. Where disd this topic start from? You people wanted us to become circular like the british. You said the British who are more advanced have dropped christianity. Now, I am pointing to you that they are sinking economically. As a result they cannot be our model. We don't want to be like them. I am trying use same logic you introduced, otherwise I could have argued this from another angle.

To cut a long story short, it is lack of faith the west are suffering, we cannot follow them. It is in the bible that before Armageddon, many will grow cold in faith and there will be many false prophets and false miracle workers. We cannot discourage the people from believing in God because people who first preach it have become so weak in faith.

seyibrown:

Where are the 85 Christian Courts of limited jurisdiction to match in an 'equality preaching society' since you argued that religious morality was problematic?

Yes, slavery is regulated in the Old Testament but it is unfortunate that people in the past pulled the wool over your eyes to support slavery and commit barbaric acts. Were those slaves treated as prescribed in the Bible? No, they were not. Did you read the Old Testament rules that apply to freeing slaves? No, you obviously haven't. Do you know the Old Testament differentiates between 'slavery' and 'kidnap'? No, you obviously don't. The Old Testament does not prescribe the maltreatment of slaves. Greedy Africans who did not have the gospel or the love of God in their hearts kidnapped their fellow countrymen and sold them as slaves. Greedy Slave buyers who had the gospel but did not have the love of God in their hearts treated the 'kidnapped people' inhumanely!

Christ commands all me to come to him as they are (includes ga.y.s, thieves, robbers, rapists, murders). When they come to him, they will know to love and obey him. Those who love God and obey his commandments do not practice sod.o/my, theft, fornication, adultery, lying, murder etc. You well know Christ commands to love God and all neighbours. Watching my neighbour go down a path of ruin is not any part of loving him. Loving him is pointing out his error and helping him change. Christ gives us freewill and that is why you are free to choose not to follow him.

Decency is issuing contraceptives to 11 and 12 year olds? Innit? Decency is upholding the human rights of the offender and at the expense of justice to the victim, and his own human rights?

This world has gone to the dogs. Following God's commandments in spirit and in truth is the only hope we have!




Just found this confession of yours! Your problem is Christianity! Or is it Christ? You prefer man who believes he is not accountable to God (secularism) to be your Lord, rather than Christ. You shouldn't have brought Britain into it in the first place. You should have approached it like this: Nigerian Christians, why don't you forsake Christ to become atheists?

Logicboy03:



I was talking about human advancement and you mentioned that the west's economies are in decline. Does recession depend on faith?



You amaze me, anigerian claiming that Westerners are suffering. Have you looked at your religious country?

elampiro:

There is a connection between faith ands welbeing. It might sound illogical to you because I have to make reference to the bible again. Every time Isrealites worhsipped false gods, they lost battles and fell into starvation or even diseases. Same when Adam and Eve fell. It is hard to explain, but I can tell categorically that that is what is affecting the economy of the west.

They have chosen false gods in sexual immoralities, abortion, homosexuality, fame, lust of money, power over love and worship of God. Now God wants to get their attention.

You might not understand because it is spiritual. As for me, I believe in hard work and prayer.

I want to sleep now.

ekt_bear: The smackdown has been laid upon Logicboy:

quimbi: I'm not surprised abt d argument against christianity.its d end-time;its expected.so wateva anybody says abt christianity,I won't stop believing in $ following Jesus.. CHRISTIANITY IS AN INDIVIDUAL RACE.

tevinsolt:

dude just shut up if you don't know.....the English bible was translated directly from the Greek and Hebrew (original versions) if you don not believe it you can hug a transformer for all i care

PastelChic: ha ha ha...if my style of writing..no wait, if what I am saying is beyond Your comprehension, all you need is ask for a simple explanation and no, i don't have to impress a bunch of faceless people on how intelligent I am...I only stated the obvious and thank you for making me aware that you are indeed another fool in the bandwagon...welcome to the show

PastelChic: Your rejoinder is so lame and infantile...adults are supposed to be having some form of discussion here...besides Psalm 14 vs 1 : The fool hath said in his heart, there is no GOD..if quoting this scripture, you find it an insult or curse, I will gladly crown you with the Toga of "the grandest of them all...now if you grew up in a Christian backround, and those that were supposed to teach you or help you shape your values in life were hypociritical, don't blame it on the rest of the world and assume all that believe in CHRIST, are hypocrites....that my friend, is an assumption even a fool will not make...now what was it the question you require an answer?

ifebosco: how my eyes opened about religion,,,i was raced up in a very strong christian home, 10years ago i brought my parents to spain,(madrid)to live withme for some time and my mother usually goes to church every day for her morning prayers.so while going to church she made her own friends who speaks english.after about two years of attending church everyday she discovered that the church is always full up with people of her age.mostly retired and old people,so my mother one day walked up to the father and ask him this question.father please, why since over two years i have been coming to church and i don´t see many youths on weekly days for church activities??The father told my mother that, the youths are working building the their nation and the old ones are in churchs to beg GOD for forgiveness to their sins,my mother was confused with the answer. two months later i took my parents to visite vatican city,my mother saw with her two eyes how pope and his cardinals enjoylife.my mother cameback from rome more confused and filed betrayed by the so called catholic hierarchy.


my take on this mater is that, please fellow nigerians the opium that the whiteman and arabs brought to us to distract us from the real problem THAT WE HAVE is call ((RELIGION)))Until we free ourselfs from this madness call religion,we are going to remain under developED country for live.now is the time to ask our government to provide us social amenities.open your eyes brothers.GOD BLESS AFRICA

Logicboy03:



A thinking mind always find out the truth.


Cheers bro!

epot: Very simple, if the British did abandon xtianity for secular judgment,for those of you passing judgment, what has been your contribution to the nation called Nigeria?.
it is easy for you to sit behind key pads and spew out rubbish, if the British where lazy azz jungle monkeyz and sit back in their country,the enlightment you're championing will have been a dream for you, probably by now you would have been on your to the farm with cutlass in one hand and basket with the other.

Remeber, it is only a man who has not seen tribulation that thinks he is strong......... Ti iya ba pa e lori wa mon pe olorun wa.
Why I'm even wasting my time......off to church. U fit kill ur sef it e pain u o.

davidylan:

this is my problem. Religion is more of a social exercise... atheism is quite clearly no different. I would be wary of trading one for the other while pretending to be more enlightened.

Logicboy03:


Who are you to ask me what I have done to help Naija? Just because you cant take the first step to mental liberation doesnt mean that you get the right to tear down others who do.


How do you even assume that people talking about secularism are lazy azz monkeys? So much for your religious morality.

Logicboy03:


See this bigot.

Atheism is not a religion, neither is it a social exercise.

davidylan:

What is funny though is that this thread was set up to tear down others who remain christian (calling them irrational for one). Read the thread title... ironic how you accuse others of the very sin you are guilty of.

davidylan:

your opinion bro. If you opened your eyes you would see the woods for the trees.

Logicboy03:


Epic Fail!


There remains a difference between criticism and abuse. Calling an irrational behaviour "irrational" is quite different from calling people "lazy azz monkeys" with no justification.




False equivalence.


Troll harder!

Logicboy03:



Atheism is the simple disbelief in god.



How does that translate to a religion? Wait, you cant find fault with the atheist position and so you project the flaws of your religion to bash atheism. You are not the first or last to take this pitiful road down to hypocrisy!

davidylan:

Lets not try to be disingenuous here... if i referred to your behavior as "irrational"... would you chalk that up as mere "criticism"? there is no justification to call another a lazy azz monkey... neither is there one for calling another irrational for the simple reason of private decisions that have no bearing on you.