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Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 6:58pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
eddy spice: Abel,cain and other did carry out sacrifice God but take note dat d ppl d isrealite met in d promise land also carry out saacrifces too but to dier false gods which God warn the isrealites againts and wen dey try to introduce such fasle worship God left dem. in essence orgin n manner of how a celebration is being can make God happy or sad I don't see what origin has to with the post above. God left the Israelite not because origin of worship is pagan, but because they worshiped another God. simple. You are adding unnecessary complexity to a simple matter. |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by honeric01(m): 7:03pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
Zikkyy: You can worship another God by mixing other "practices" into what you were commanded to do, e.g making images when you're not expected to make one as commanded of God. 2 Likes |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by alexleo(m): 7:05pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
plappville: Disagreement in christiandom may not also mean the issue at hand is not God's will. Even among the apostles there was disagreement at some point. Wether it was observed in december or january does not matter. What matters is that Jesus is born. eddy spice: thanks for ur point.many people seem to forget that december 25th pick by a pope as Jesus birthday was bitterly contested against by bishops of eastern Europe who decided to celebrate thiers on January 6th,a clear indication dat Jesus never commanded any one to celebrate his birth |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by honeric01(m): 7:08pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
Most biblical scholars and preachers readily admit that they know Christ was not born on December 25th. However, they claim that this day is as good as any other to celebrate the birth of Jesus, despite the fact that it was originally a pagan celebration called Saturnalia which commemorated the birth of the sun god. God had this to say about appropriating pagan methods of worship and trying to honor Him with them: DEUTERONOMY 12:28 "Observe and obey all these words which I command you, that it may go well with you and your children after you forever, when you do what is good and right in the sight of the LORD your God. 29 When the LORD your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, 30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, 'How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.' 31 "You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. 32 Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it. (NKJV) http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Jesus-Birthday 5 Likes |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by eddyspice(m): 7:09pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
Zikkyy:bros according thess texts Romans 13:13 and Galatians5:21 highlights characters of those who participates such festivals so bros na sin o |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 7:11pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
ijawkid: You are still not saying anything. All i read is fraud, pagan and nothing else in your post. Let me help you out. 1. Christmas is pagan because it is a sin to celebrate the birth of Christ 2. Christmas is pagan because it was instituted by pagans (catholic church) 3. Christmas is pagan because it involves sinful activities like human sacrifice 4. Christmas is pagan because it celebrated by both pagans and Christians today If you provide statement like the above, am sure we can end this discussion with just a page of brain storming. If you select item #1 for example will make items 2-4 totally irrelevant for discussion. So we have a focus kindly tell us in clear english why Christmas is pagan. |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by alexleo(m): 7:13pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
plappville: Wether it was a pope that brought the idea or any pastor is not the issue here. What matters to us is that we are celebrating the birth of Jesus. |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 7:20pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
TroGunn: You have not answered the question. Kindly show where Christ stated that we should not celebrate his birthday. We know Christ said the Passover should be done in remembrance of him but did he say that's all we are required to do and any other act is a sin? |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by honeric01(m): 7:23pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
Zikkyy: This does not really sound "smart", it would have been better if you can show us if any of his disciples celebrated his birthdays during and after he died, we know and can read where they marked his death but non for his birth, isn't that clear enough that it was never what he instructed or told anyone to do? Secondly, why December 25th the same day the pagan celebrates their own sun god and not his real birthday which some say is October? 3 Likes |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:25pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
Zikkyy: Christmas is pagan because everything about it was gotten from idol worshiPpers a.k.a pagans....is this answer not clear enough for you??......... You can also ask yourself this question to help you with an answer to your question... Would Jesus and the apostles do christmas??........YES or NO..... 2 Likes |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 7:25pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
ijawkid: If pagans were not celebrating xmas,how can you say xmas was snatched? xmas was instituted by the church and it could have been any date. From wiki, i read some churches celebrate their xmas on some other dates, so what is this talk about snatching? you don't snatch what already belong to you. |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by eddyspice(m): 7:25pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
Zikkyy:i will pick #2 because it was instituted by them in order to allow non belivers bcome christian withoutt removing pagan traces from d festival.hence thier becoming christian was base not on God's love 5 Likes |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:27pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
alexleo: And for your info is non of Jesus' business.......Jesus has no dealings with you celebrating his birthday........you are on your own........presumptuousness at its peak..... 2 Likes |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:30pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
Zikkyy: Na for my mouth you wan hear say yansh dey for back??.....zikky take time o...... |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 7:30pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
truthislight: You already sentenced me by saying am part of an idolatrous worship. If you cannot answer the question, then you have no basis/justification condemning the celebration of Christ birth. simple. |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by alexleo(m): 7:30pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
plappville: They celebrated the birth of Christ which is simply what we are doing. |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by honeric01(m): 7:32pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
alexleo: honeric01: 1 Like |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:34pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
Zikkyy: We can't actually condemn you na...na the celebration we dey condemn....we are only telling you bro zikky to keep off xmas if u really wanna follow Jesus' foot steps closely...that's all...... 1 Like |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by alexleo(m): 7:36pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
ijawkid: Thats you opinion and it doesnt hold water. You are not Jesus. You cant also claim be close to Jesus or understand the bible more than any of us. |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 7:43pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
plappville: plappville: Na wa oh you just write this long tory and refused to provide an answer. so this question hard like this all of una just dey dance azonto round the question. please answer the question and lets move forward |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:47pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
alexleo: I'm not claiming I understand d scriptures more than y'all do......I'm only pointing out what the scriptures never supports......we can't close eyes and think its right to celebrate paganism........ 1 Like |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 7:48pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
plappville: Not the kind of lesson you learnt. Did it ever occur to you that in the first account you gave, not only was a live lost another live was saved by that birthday bash. What do you have to say about that? |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 8:00pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
truthislight: I do not live by examples. I live by Christ and the apostles teachings (and the commandment). If you live by examples and you are not up to 33 years of age, ensure you find a way of getting yourself nailed to a cross when you are 33. If you are above 33yrs, then stop telling us you follow example. |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by truthislight: 8:25pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
plappville: What kind of anniversary be this one na(monthly ke?) does Nissan 14, the day of christ death/comomeration comes twice in a year? Sis, shine your eyes oh! |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by plappville(f): 8:43pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
alexleo: How have you proved its Gods will? Now i am going to treat that chapter you have been twisting here. Let take a closer look at (Matthew 2:1, 11) Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh. You common interpretaion supposed these were birthday presents for “baby Jesus.” But is this what the Bible actually says? Of course NO! They arrived well after His “birthday/date of his birth.”? Notice that it refers to Christ as a “young child” rather than a baby. This is one more reason that the gifts brought to Him could not have been “birthday presents.” A long standing, ancient custom of the East was to present gifts when one came into the presence of a king The 3 wise men understood they were in the presence of the “King of the Jews.” The Bible has many examples of people sending gifts to kings or presenting them upon arrival into the king’s presence. Jesus got gifts from them because He was born "King" according to custom not because of "Birthday" that has no custom in the Bible. I have posted several biblical prove that shows a mans birthday worth nothing as you guys take it today. If there Scriptures are ignored, then needless to argue for arguing sake. 1 Like |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by alexleo(m): 8:44pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
ijawkid: And you were the person that told me if Jesus was around now he will wear suit and trouser. What makes you think he will not allow us to celebrate him if he was here? |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by plappville(f): 8:45pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
honeric01: Most biblical scholars and preachers readily admit that they know Christ was not born on December 25th. However, they claim that this day is as good as any other to celebrate the birth of Jesus, despite the fact that it was originally a pagan celebration called Saturnalia which commemorated the birth of the sun god. WAOOHH.....DID THEY SEE THIS ?? |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by plappville(f): 8:51pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
alexleo: Then the Scripture does not matters to you but mens tradition....No wonder Jesus warned about misguided professing Christians, saying,: “This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. Howbeit in vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men” (Mark 7:6-. Every year, be Christmas or Easter seasons, Jesus’ warning is proven right! READ YOURSELF BROS...Shaking my head oooo!! |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 8:52pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
alexleo: Hmmmm.....it is 100 percent affirmative that Jesus would wear clothes(trouser suit and tie or even agbada) in our time,but also 100 percent affirmative that he would never get close to christmas celebration.....and I suppose you know why.....Jesus isn't a SUN god worshipper so he would stay far away from xmas celebration...... 1 Like |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 8:55pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
plappville: Did anybody say that christmas is in the bible? who told you it was an instruction from God? |
Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by Zikkyy(m): 8:57pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
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Re: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by plappville(f): 8:59pm On Dec 25, 2012 |
alexleo: I have nothing else to do with someone who has blocked his mind to the truth. You have igrored Scriptures just to hold on to Pagan Feast. |
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