ikemofepo:

Wow! This is interesting to read. So, this one passage you have quoted has made all I said invalid. Cool. Let's start obeying the law to be righteous then...hurries of to study the Torah!

I hate arguments, especially when people have not studied extensively. The passage you're talking about clearly speaks against the Law. Wait, are we trying to win arguments here or we are trying to learn? Anyone can win an argument, especially with the bible, but Paul was in big trouble there by what he preached (He preached against the Law of Moses) and they looked for a way to remedy the situation

Act 21:20 They listened with delight and gave God the glory. They had a story to tell, too: "And just look at what's been happening here--thousands upon thousands of God-fearing Jews have become believers in Jesus! But there's also a problem because they are more zealous than ever in observing the laws of Moses.
Act 21:21 They've been told that you advise believing Jews who live surrounded by Gentiles to go light on Moses, telling them that they don't need to circumcise their children or keep up the old traditions. This isn't sitting at all well with them.
Act 21:22 "We're worried about what will happen when they discover you're in town. There's bound to be trouble. So here is what we want you to do:
Act 21:23 There are four men from our company who have taken a vow involving ritual purification, but have no money to pay the expenses.
Act 21:24 Join these men in their vows and pay their expenses. Then it will become obvious to everyone that there is nothing to the rumors going around about you and that you are in fact scrupulous in your reverence for the laws of Moses.
Act 21:25 "In asking you to do this, we're not going back on our agreement regarding Gentiles who have become believers. We continue to hold fast to what we wrote in that letter, namely, to be careful not to get involved in activities connected with idols; to avoid serving food offensive to Jewish Christians; to guard the morality of sex and marriage."
Act 21:26 So Paul did it--took the men, joined them in their vows, and paid their way. The next day he went to the Temple to make it official and stay there until the proper sacrifices had been offered and completed for each of them.
Act 21:27 When the seven days of their purification were nearly up, some Jews from around Ephesus spotted him in the Temple. At once they turned the place upside-down. They grabbed Paul
Act 21:28 and started yelling at the top of their lungs, "Help! You Israelites, help! This is the man who is going all over the world telling lies against us and our religion and this place. He's even brought Greeks in here and defiled this holy place."

shdemidemi:

You are mixing the whole thing up bro. The gospel and revelation Paul had is different from what the others had, although as soon as he got converted, he preached the old gospel which is 'believe Jesus Christ is the son of God'. Christ kept on ministering to Paul about what the new mandate is. Paul says in Gal1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The man got this gospel straight from Christ. Peter, James, John and the eldes could not comprehend what the man was teaching either.

Any doctrine that says you should not eat or drink a certain thing, he called it another gospel different from the gospel of Christ.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Bidam: i couldn't have put it more clearer than this. Thank God you are now seeing the angle i am actually coming from. I am not saying Christians should actually live by the codes and dictates of the law which is legalism. what i am talking about is heart obedience since we have the Holy Spirit as a guide and this is strengthened through prayers and study of the Word of God. sometimes when i pray in tongues(jude 1:20) i feel so strengthened that i easily forgive people who offend me just as Christ would. I face the day with so much Joy and peace that i can't explain ofcos except you have been there.

JesusisLord85:

Ok, let me get this right, before I expose your ignorance. Are you suggesting that the scripture means you can eat just about any meat? Think before you answer, because you know I will use scripture, not my opinion

JesusisLord85:

I know the scripture. Please, lay out your understanding so I can see your line of thinking.

JesusisLord85:

Ok, let me get this right, before I expose your ignorance. Are you suggesting that the scripture means you can eat just about any meat? Think before you answer, because you know I will use scripture, not my opinion

shdemidemi:

That is what it says there, I did not say it. Even Peter refused to eat from what God presented to him in his trance but he was told by God 'Do not call anything impure that God has made clean'.

JesusisLord85:

Ok, let me explain what Acts 10 actually means:
Peter has a dream. In it, he saw unclean animals. God said, "kill and eat" (in the dream).
Peter says "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean."

Let us pause for a second. Peter was commissioned by God to preach the gospel by Jesus himself. If Jesus said you eat unclean animals, how come Peter didn't get the memo?

Anyway, the problem here is that you have tried to interpret the dream by yourself. Dreams in the bible always have an interpretation, the reader is not left to make up his own mind what it means. Unless of course you have the gift of interpreting dreams like Daniel or Joseph

The interpretation is given in verse 28 "And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."

Tradition of the elders (not the law) says a Jew cannot enter the house of a gentile. If not for the dream, and the apprearance of the angel, Peter would not have entered a gentile home. God did not contradict his own law i.e. do not eat unclean animals. He was saying the gentiles are not unclean, which contradicts the tradition of the elders.

There are many NT passaged such as this that are wildly misunderstood. Dodgy translations do not help either brother.

JesusisLord85:

Ok, let me explain what Acts 10 actually means:
Peter has a dream. In it, he saw unclean animals. God said, "kill and eat" (in the dream).
Peter says "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean."

Let us pause for a second. Peter was commissioned by God to preach the gospel by Jesus himself. If Jesus said you eat unclean animals, how come Peter didn't get the memo?

Anyway, the problem here is that you have tried to interpret the dream by yourself. Dreams in the bible always have an interpretation, the reader is not left to make up his own mind what it means. Unless of course you have the gift of interpreting dreams like Daniel or Joseph

The interpretation is given in verse 28 "And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."

Tradition of the elders (not the law) says a Jew cannot enter the house of a gentile. If not for the dream, and the apprearance of the angel, Peter would not have entered a gentile home. God did not contradict his own law i.e. do not eat unclean animals. He was saying the gentiles are not unclean, which contradicts the tradition of the elders.

There are many NT passaged such as this that are wildly misunderstood. Dodgy translations do not help either brother.

ikemofepo:

See we don't need to argue this thing blindly. I used a dodgy translation, right? I thought I only wanted to explain better, however, it's funny that I get the same meaning from the KJV.

What you're saying in essence is that Christians NEED and are still required to KEEP the LAW of MOSES. This is just Sad!

Gal 3:6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
Gal 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
Gal 3:9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
Gal 3:11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
Gal 3:12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."

That's some NKJV! Paul could NEVER have advocated keeping the Laws of Moses for the Christian, NEVER. The Laws written on tablet stones and interpreted by men was always to exploit people. So even though the Law was Holy, Just and good, it had no power to do the same in the life of a believer. I wonder how people will try to search out one passage in the new testament to make it mean we're still supposed to obey the Law of Moses, when hundreds of others clearly speak against it!

JesusisLord85:

The law is holy, no one can be justified by it, BECAUSE nobody could keep it fully. That is correct. So we are free from the condemnation of the law, i.e. death.
verse 13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree"

See that? From the "curse of the law"..NOT 'from the law, that is a curse'.

That does not mean we should not observe it. God said he will write his law/torah in their hearts. What is the point in that if they are to simply ignore it?

People were preaching that you must do this or that in order to receive salvation. Paul said we cannot be justified by keeping the law. Yet, somehow, people think this to mean we do away with the law. Sin is transgression of the law. How can there be sin if there is no law?
I will give you a full breakdown of what Galatians 3 actualy means later. But I can tell you now, it does not mean to do away with the law.

JesusisLord85:

The law is holy, no one can be justified by it, BECAUSE nobody could keep it fully. That is correct. So we are free from the condemnation of the law, i.e. death.
verse 13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree"

See that? From the "curse of the law"..NOT 'from the law, that is a curse'.

That does not mean we should not observe it. God said he will write his law/torah in their hearts. What is the point in that if they are to simply ignore it?

People were preaching that you must do this or that in order to receive salvation. Paul said we cannot be justified by keeping the law. Yet, somehow, people think this to mean we do away with the law. Sin is transgression of the law. How can there be sin if there is no law?
I will give you a full breakdown of what Galatians 3 actualy means later. But I can tell you now, it does not mean to do away with the law.

ikemofepo:

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
Heb 8:9 "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD.
Heb 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Heb 8:11 "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
Heb 8:12 "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

So the Law is now the torah, right? That is your own translation, really. The new commandment Christ gave us is Love and that is the law written in our heart. Nowhere in Paul's writing will you see Paul advocating for new converts to obey the Law, either to be saved, righteous, to keep being saved or to keep being righteous. When people try to manipulate others, that's when they remember one law of Moses or the other. The truth is, if this deception is to stop, vs 11 will have to be followed, you wouldn't have to teach your neighbour to "Know the Lord", but now, just like during the law, people still want to teach others what and what not to do, and therein lies the deception of the tithes. I wonder how you will give a compulsory 10 percent of your income every month and it won't be of "necessity". If Paul had advocated for any aspect of the law to be obeyed, we wouldn't be here having this discussion, and apart from that, I think a lot of people don't actually fully understand the New Covenant. Some people still think it's some brand of islam. What have our pastors been teaching? Morals? Tithes? Lord have mercy!

[quote author=ikemofepo]Bidam, please read this. It should answer many of your questions. We are having an intellectual debate here, all those words like mumu and the likes that demean other people should be avoided. The hallmark of spiritual maturity is love and not bible knowledge. You're blessed!

MAN: Father God, what is your opinion about the Law of Moses?

GOD: I have annulled it, (Heb.7:18); I have made it obsolete, (Heb.8:13); I have changed it, (Heb.7:12); I have wipe it out, (Col.2:14); and I have cast it out because it is the seed of the bondwoman, (Gal.4:30); and in its stead I have made a new arrangement. (Heb.8:7-.

MAN: Can we not borrow some of the precepts of the OT for our worship services?

GOD: Anybody who wants to borrow part of the law must be prepared to keep everything as stipulated. (James 2:10; Gal.5:3) Nobody is permitted to amend the Law of Moses to suit his own condition. (Deut.5:32; 17:20; 28:14; Jos.1:7) But let anyone who puts himself under the law know for sure that he has no part with Jesus Christ, the mediator of the New Testament, (Gal.3:10; 5:4) because he makes void the death of Jesus.(Gal.2:21). Do you want to go back under the curse from where Jesus has redeemed you?

MAN: Father, will people not violate your law when we say that they are not under the law?

GOD: Have they not been violating it before? When the Law of Moses was fully operational, people broke it; even the Israelites who were given the law first hand could not keep it. (Acts 7:53; 15:10) Let me tell you plainly, I did not design that the law should save anybody; rather it was designed to condemn people so that they might realize that they need a Savior. Anyone who accepts Jesus and stays in His teaching is the one who will be delivered from the bondage and condemnation that the law brings. (Rom.6:3-14) Nobody who puts himself under the law will have a part in my kingdom. (Gal.5:4)

MAN: But Jesus said that He did not come to cancel the law but to fulfill it. (Mat.5:17). What about that?

GOD: Yes He came to fulfill the law and that is why He said in Lk. 24:44 that He had now fulfilled all. After fulfilling the law, the Law of Moses had spent its force and it is not binding on the NT believers. Only those who love Christ will stay under the New Covenant,

Many who pay tithe today do so either for the fear of a curse or because they want blessings. Hardly do we see people who contribute money because of their love for me. My son Jesus said, “My yoke is easy ….” If anybody decides to carry the yoke of Moses, he finds trouble for himself. (Gal.5:1)

GOD: You have to know that the moral standard of a new creature in Christ is above the dictates of the Law of Moses. The law says, “You shall not commit adultery,” but my son Jesus said that anyone who lusted after a woman had already committed adultery in his heart. (Mt.5:27-28) Anybody who accepts the Lordship of Jesus is declared righteous. (2Cor. 5:21; Rom.5:17) Paul, my beloved servant said that the law was not for the righteous but for sinners. (1 Tim. 1:9-10). If you desire to remain under the law, it is your problem. In my own program, the law is obsolete and I have annulled it. Go and study 2 Cor.3:7-11 properly and you will see that the law is a ministry of death, of condemnation, and that which is fading away. Why will you like to stay on what I have abandoned? It cannot profit you.

MAN: Father does it really matter what we do or believe? I think sincerity with You is the most important thing.

GOD: You may be sincere all you want to but as long as you go against my blueprint, you will not be pardoned. Moses was sincere, yet he missed the Promised Land. Uzzah was sincere and yet he died a sudden death. King Saul was sincere and yet was rejected. Your sincerity is not enough, follow my own blueprint. Only those who bow to my will shall rejoice in the end.

MAN: There are so many popular and charismatic preachers who believe, teach, and collect tithes. Can all these people be wrong?

GOD: You have your Bible where you can see how I dealt with people in the past. None of the people you talk about can be more popular and charismatic than Moses, who shook Egypt to its very foundation. Moses missed his target simply because he used an old revelation and set aside the new one. I am not partial in any way, so if Moses could miss his destiny on account of one instance of disobedience, anybody who ignores the New Testament provisions is in trouble! (Heb. 2:3).

MAN: Thank you Father, it is now clear to me. But I want you to clarify 2 Sam. 24:24 where David said, “…Nor will I offer burnt offerings to the LORD my God with that which costs me nothing…” Some preachers told us that even if we don’t have we could borrow in order to give. They encouraged us to give above our resources. Is that in order?

GOD: Read the whole passage from verse 11 to the end and you will see that nothing there suggests what your preachers are telling you. David as a king was wealthier than Aruanah who wanted to give him objects he needed free of charge. David declined because he could afford to pay for those items. Look at my final revelation from the Jerusalem Bible, “As long as the readiness is there, a man is acceptable with whatever he can afford; never mind what is beyond his means. This does not mean that before you give relief to others you ought to make things difficult for yourselves…” (2Cor. 8:12-14) The unfortunate thing about you humans is that you still want to stay around the stake to which you were tied even after your chains had been broken. It is not the fault of those preachers who take advantage of you; it is your fault because you are too lazy to find out the truth for yourselves.

MAN: Father, would you advise us these days to give all just like people did in Acts of the Apostles? Your Son Jesus commended the widow who gave all as the best giver. What do you say?

GOD: Really, giving all is the spirit of the New Testament. But I must quickly add that the situation then made giving all practicable. When people gave all, they were sure to have their needs met afterwards. A situation whereby giving all will only service the lusts and luxuries of a cabal, is unacceptable. Listen to what I inspired Paul to say in 2Cor. 8:13-14, “I am not trying to relieve others by putting a burden on you; but since you have plenty at this time, it is only fair that you should help those who are in need. Then when you are in need and they have plenty, they will help you. In this way both are treated equally.” That was the case in the early church. Today when all that your leaders emphasize is giving, but the needs of the poor are not catered for, you must be careful. You can have a project of ministering to the poor yourself if your church does not take it seriously.

And to answer your second question, I give way more than 10 percent of my income

I give to causes which the Holy Spirit will have me give to. Only if we could give tithes the way Abraham GAVE tithes. Our eyes would truly be opened to the person of Melchizedek today and not just compulsorily dropping 10 percent of our income everytime in Church, under the threat of being cursed or wanting to get a blessing. The argument for Abraham shows that he GAVE under neither of the circumstances. You can download the book that speaks entirely on the tithing system and how it should be done here http://mb.mettalloids.com/tithe-and-you-the-book/

JesusisLord85:
So I showed your reference to Acts 10 to be invalid. I will also do the same with Hebrews.

JesusisLord85:
Let us think here. Who is God giving a new covenant to? If it "new" and "unlike the former", then those he gave it to must have once been in covenant?
Let me prove it with scripture:
James 1:1 "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting

JesusisLord85:
So who is this? Well, if you read previous posts, it is the 'scattered' people of the northern tribes of Israel that God had divorced, and is now bringing them back into covenant with him via the Messiah (Jeremiah 31:31-33).

JesusisLord85:
Paul taught them that they must believe in Christ. How is this mutually exclusive with observing the law? Paul ket the law, the Jews in Jerusalem (including the church council) did too, I proved that a;ready with scripture.).

JesusisLord85:
So where do you get off saying today's believers do not?
If you do not believe the bible then read early church history. These people observed the sabbath and obeyed the laws. The roman rulers sought to marry the pagan traditions with the reigion that was spreading. .).

JesusisLord85:
back to Hebrews. New covenant is the 'marriage' contract. God had divorved them for adultery, worshipping other ods. Christ died, because, according to the law, as long as a man lives he cannot re-marry the woman he once divorved. Hence, the new covenant is God gathering his people to him again. What are the terms of the new covenant? Well, has the law, regarding marriage changed? NO. Otherwise, Peter would have said so in Romans 7:1-3. Funny how he was even teaching from the law right..).

JesusisLord85:
Isaiah 66:17 " They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord."

Guess what, if God called it an abomination to him thousands of years ago, it remains so today. Apprently, those unclean things are still unclean in the end times. Go figure

Bidam: Heb 7:18 was talking about what God gave moses being a shadow not the original and not about annulment as you erroneously posted.Heb 8 :13 talks about the new covenant in Christ and that is why i told you to read 1 cor 11:25 to understand this which you never did ofcos.the book of hebrews talks extensively about this blood covenant.heb 7:12 talks about the change of law concerning the regulations of the priesthood, it in no way cancels the 10 commandments given to moses.Jesus is the High priest now and we are priests unto God, still we offer sacrifices of prayers and praise unto the Lord.col 2:14 still says the same thing concerning ordinances and regulations which are detailed in Leviticus go read am.Gal 4:30 here Paul was talking about it allegorically in terms of ishmael and isaac. As far as God was concerned Isaac was the child of promise not Ishmael and that is who we are in Christ(God's only begotten Son) and that is where the term "Born again" comes in.Heb 8 :7-8 and amen. the first covenant was obsolete which necessitated the NEW, which was why Christ came, and i tell you the truth that without Christ it is even much more difficult to obey the law of the spirit than the law of the letters.The OLD LAWS are all hidden in the two commandments Christ gave. shikena! so God's laws did not change rather the covenant did which is now written in the hearts of believers.

Bidam:

error here.tithes is actually one of the devotion and worship we display as true believers for our love for the master.
MAN: If the Ten Commandments had been abrogated, does it mean we can continue to sin?.

Bidam: the covenant and not the laws were made obsolete. God laws are eternal for God cannot lie.

Pastor Kun:

Is the bolded above you are always so quick to insult those who don't agree with your fraudulent tithe doctrine

ikemofepo:

See we don't need to argue this thing blindly. I used a dodgy translation, right? I thought I only wanted to explain better, however, it's funny that I get the same meaning from the KJV.

What you're saying in essence is that Christians NEED and are still required to KEEP the LAW of MOSES. This is just Sad!

Gal 3:6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
Gal 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
Gal 3:9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
Gal 3:11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
Gal 3:12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."

That's some NKJV! Paul could NEVER have advocated keeping the Laws of Moses for the Christian, NEVER. The Laws written on tablet stones and interpreted by men was always to exploit people. So even though the Law was Holy, Just and good, it had no power to do the same in the life of a believer. I wonder how people will try to search out one passage in the new testament to make it mean we're still supposed to obey the Law of Moses, when hundreds of others clearly speak against it!

You are talking loads of rubbish here.

A believer does not need the 10 commandment given to Moses to be righteous before God. the bible says the just shall live by faith/trust in God through the gospel of Christ not by the ten commandment.

The scripture also says the power of God unto salvation is revealed through the gospel of Christ and not by the ten commandments

Why do you choose a devotion that is not from Christ to you as a believer.

what are you saying. If you and I have a covenant/contract and we decide to cancel the contract, what happen to the content of our agreement?

I tire for you jare

shdemidemi: Do you just close your eyes to responses. I corrected your assertions, I presume you did not check it.


How did you come to the conclusion that he was speaking to to the twelve tribes[/b] which are scattered abroad,
I repeat what gives you the impression that He was speaking to the northern tribe of Israel in that chapter
Read my response and re-address the issue of Paul came back to observe the law after preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.


Romans 7
7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

I can explain that part of scripture if you want.


It was Paul talking not Peter. He was using the law which they were familiar with to present his message. He also used an illustration of a seed and another of a slave and his master. You totally missed it here, God did not divorce anybody for adultery Paul was just using the scenario of a man and a woman to make his point. In the previous chapter he told them 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh


the bible says 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope

God's revelation is not stagnant, it moves in dispensations. dispensation of the law is different from dispensation of grace. Under law it is of works, under grace it is a gift of God.

shdemidemi:

You are talking loads of rubbish here... A believer does not need the 10 commandment given to Moses to be righteous before God. the bible says the just shall live by faith/trust in God through the gospel of Christ not by the ten commandment. The scripture also says the power of God unto salvation is revealed through the gospel of Christ and not by the ten commandments

JesusisLord85:

Yeah, and that is what James said in Acts 15 abi? lol

He gave them a list of 4 things they must do, before they go further, for they will learn the rest of the law as they continue to fellowship in the synagogue
"But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day."

Those four things above, do hristians even observe those? no!
Secondly, it didn't sound like he said "it is ok, they can just, in their minds, believe, and that is all that is required. You will lead people into hell with that kind of doctrine

JesusisLord85:

Yeah, and that is what Paul said in Acts 15 abi? lol

He gave them a list of 4 things they must do, before they go further, for they will learn the rest of the law as they continue to fellowship in the synagogue
"But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day."

Those four things above, do hristians even observe those? no!
Secondly, it didn't sound like he said "it is ok, they can just, in their minds, believe, and that is all that is required. You will lead people into hell with that kind of doctrine

shdemidemi: You know what the problem is here, lets handle one thing at a time. We are not communicating at the moment, make everything you write as short and precise as possible.

Do you know about the man called Apollos in the book of Acts? if you do, please tell me what you know about him

Bidam: shdemidemi is of the erroneous belief that it is only the gospel of paul that will save believers. other gospels are of the jews which cannot save. smh!

JesusisLord85:

Say what you want to say first

shdemidemi:


Romans 2:16

King James Version (KJV)


16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel

I did not write that my dear friend

shdemidemi:


Romans 2:16

King James Version (KJV)


16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel

I did not write that my dear friend

shdemidemi:
I want you to check the life of the man, the bible says 24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John

As good as this man is, what was lacking in his teaching? just answer pls.