Da-ny-ell:
@wordychap, why do you guys like lying? Your bible says "the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife had borne to David and he became ill."
and it later goes on to say
"On the seventh day, the child died"
it never said anything about allowing the devil to run rings around the boy.

Da-ny-ell:
A savior? What other savior exists apart from the great santa?
And the devil can't scam me, he is my servant.

cassava stick:
Simple answer: because both David and his son are God's creation and God has every right to treat his property as he pleases.

noblefada: I
First pls quote me correctly, I said fully understand because you don't need a full knowledge to be saved you just need only to believe in Christ Jesus! full knowledge is for you to be established in the truth you now believe Ephe 4: 10 downward.

Now to your question, I wnt to give u guyz an hint. It was not God that killed David's son.

cassava stick:
And so what?

Image123:
Yours is more critical than earlier diagnosed. When last did you send the devil on errand? i might need a favor actually.

Da-ny-ell:
You didn't comprehend my post. He is my servant not my errand-boy, that post is for jesus. So where do you want me to send him?

Image123:
i ordain you as a jester.

From_Guiriga:

Alright, my apology. I'll quote you correctly next time.
The sickness of the child is attributed to Yahweh according to the writer of 2nd Samuel:
12:15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

What's going on here?

noblefada:

That's why I said earlier it takes the Spirit of God to fully understand this and again the mistake many make is to take the bible literary! Listen for those who care the bible is not and will never be a literal book.

I wish I could explain further but you may not truly comprehend. I perceive you were once a xtian or have bin involved with the faith? because of lack of indept teaching of God's Word many cannot fully understand God.

I give you a comparison, if you read the book of exodus you will think it was God Moses went to meet on the mount and it was God that gave him the laws, but in actual truth it was an Angel and not God.

From_Guiriga:


Understood. If you have the "spirit of God" then enlightened us here. I have time. Give us your understanding. So we can hold that up to scrutiny. You are right, I was born in a Christian country and culturally that makes me a Christian as far as culture is concern.


I'm a bit confused, you take the position that the bible is not to be taken literal then say it was an angel that gave Moses the laws.

noblefada:

Ok because you've shown interest, I'll try but let me remind you dat you may not fully comprehend.

First of all every believer has the spirit of God, but also with the Spirit the believer is told to study and show himself approved 2 Tim 2:5. So the issue with most xtians is that they don't study enough! That's why I'll rather spend time teaching xtians.

You see the folks of the old testament (OT) did not have the in-filling of the Holy Spirit and so could not fully comprehend what was shown to them so they added their human knowledge. Yes those miracles in OT happened and it still happening. The bible is a story about one person and one person alone, Christ Jesus. So from genesis God started talking about Jesus howbeit in types and shadows Heb 10:1, and thru visions and types for them to understand but not the whole truth Heb 1:1. So what those people saw and how they interpreted them were not truly representative of what they saw but a kind of shadow not the main thing, I hope you understanding me. Christ is the explanation of all things and this explanation is in the epistles (and there is a reason for this).

Let me ask you something in the garden of Eden we heard it was said that it was the serpent that deceived eve right? but in actual fact it was the devil. (types & shadows).

Yes it was an Angel that gave the law Gal 3:19; Heb 2:2. Let me give you a super hint (even many xtians are not aware of this). The devil is only mention 4 times in the whole OT and satan was not mentioned until the book of Job, so the people of earlier times did not know or have an idea who satan was.

From_Guiriga:

I follow. I don't think the issue of justice and injustice against the child was addressed but I understand where you are coming from.

noblefada:

Thank you for your time so far and willingness to hear me out. The things of God though may be mysterious yet can be fully explained in the whole of scriptures.

For the injustice you said was done to the child, God was not the one responsible for that! I wish I could explain further but I will stop here because of the earlier mentioned limitations, otherwise I would have proceeded further to explain the diff between the Law & Grace which is much more technical and requires the Spirit for God for complete understanding.

But let give another example. In the book of Job, we're told about a man name Job who was not only very rich but was the most righteous man on earth at that time, but lost all he had. In Job 1:6-12 & 2:1-6, we were clearly told that it was satan that was responsible for His misfortune. But when Job was told of the tragedy, Job responded in Job 1: 20-21, by saying the Lord gave and the Lord has taken blessed be the name of the Lord! But we were clearly told that God was not responsible for is predicament. Just by the way, Job was the first book written in the bible.

Atheist:-D:


Just answer the question... did God ensure the child died as punishment/retribution for David's sin?

Why do you guys like dancing in circles and beating around the bush with simple statements made in the bible? Aaargh

noblefada:
I've answered that question, God was was not responsible for the death of the child, pls read all my previous posts and u see d explanation there.

From_Guiriga:

Alright, my apology. I'll quote you correctly next time.
The sickness of the child is attributed to Yahweh according to the writer of 2nd Samuel:
12:15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.

What's going on here?

2cassava sticks: Funny thread. christians denying the actions of their make-belief god, while atheists kill themselves over the details of the fairytale.

Question: All Smeagol wanted was a ring, Why did Tolkein inflict him with ugliness and kill him?
Answer: Both Smeagol and Lord Of The Rings are creations of J.R. Tolkein. He is free to do with them as he pleases.

Moral of the story: If you write a book, you get to kill any characters you choose. Now all of you should stop being bigoted cunts and do something more productive.

From_Guiriga:

Is there a lesson to learn in this make-belief god story? In defense of the atheists, I think they might be reasoning about the implications of the fairytale. What they might be saying is that no one has the right to kill babies, including a God. It's unjust. Period.
You might have dismissed the discussion as nonproductive but the issue here is not the story but the implications of it.
To kill a seven year old baby for something his father did is unjust don't you think?

noblefada:

Thank you for your time so far and willingness to hear me out. The things of God though may be mysterious yet can be fully explained in the whole of scriptures.

For the injustice you said was done to the child, God was not the one responsible for that! I wish I could explain further but I will stop here because of the earlier mentioned limitations, otherwise I would have proceeded further to explain the diff between the Law & Grace which is much more technical and requires the Spirit for God for complete understanding.

But let give another example. In the book of Job, we're told about a man name Job who was not only very rich but was the most righteous man on earth at that time, but lost all he had. In Job 1:6-12 & 2:1-6, we were clearly told that it was satan that was responsible for His misfortune. But when Job was told of the tragedy, Job responded in Job 1: 20-21, by saying the Lord gave and the Lord has taken blessed be the name of the Lord! But we were clearly told that God was not responsible for is predicament. Just by the way, Job was the first book written in the bible.

2cassava sticks:
To deny someone the right to destroy his own creation is unjust don't you think?

Logicboy03:


Assuming that God wrote the bible or created us......huge assumption bro.


Cassava Trollington

2cassava sticks:
To deny someone the right to destroy his own creation is unjust don't you think?

ooman:

what a deranged, mentally impaired psychopathic monster of a creator we have. only such iddiot would kill a baby and only dumb, brainless sociopathic madmen would continue to worship such god.

3cassava sticks:
that's just your bad luck. If you don't like it go and create your own baby and keep it alive forever.

ooman:

criminal minds worship criminal god.

3cassava sticks:
mr man, you are ranting at a fictional character. Isn't that a sight of craze?

ooman:

a fictional character on which you unbelievably base your life.

smh