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Samueltemi337:
I repeat napoli is a very useless club


if you like mention me from now till tomorrow it won't change the fact that napoli is very useless

If they're a Useless club then what does that says about Osimehn? Since he is not even the top scorer

From henceforth, No player at Farmers league should be considered as a replacement for the ones at the Big 3 until they prove themselves at the Big 3. Ifgaf if you like score in the moon

Danielnino00:
Germany or Italy...which is is part of the "big three" abeg?

England, Spain, Italy = Big 3. Exceptions will be to individuals that perform at the best team of their Farmers League or Historically Big Teams

mostob:
But you want Nwakaeme in the SE....
I just weak

Family thats not true. I was only noting the partiality by some of you forumers promoting onyekuru when someone else has been performing for over 2 years

I'm never going to measure our player Quality again by their performance in "Farmers league" if dem like, make dem score 100 goals they're just a talent. They must prove themselves at the big 3

BascoVanVeli:
Quick question, if Rohr brings back Ighalo where do u think he will put Victor? What did Rohr introduce Victor to the national team as?

Ok moving on, Onuachu is not just an header of the ball. Most of his club goals are with his feet. His only goal for us was with his feet. He is one of the leading strikers in Europe. It is an obligation to mention his name when u are talking about Nigerian strikers.

Osimhen can thrive on the wings because of his pace, hard work and decision making. Him playing on the wings will not take anything away from his goal scoring, it rather adds another goal scorer to the fray.

First of all, if ighalo returns back to SE, he is coming in as an experienced "Squad player" definitely not starting ahead of Osimehn except the coach introduce a 2 Strikers formation. In reference to onuachu, yes, he is the top scorer at his club but let's be honest, the guy has had only 1 good game out of 9 and if he follows the same trajectory, nothing will Change. You simply do not Utilize your best Striker on the wings because you want to accommodate another striker that way, your team won't capitalize on their potential. As for onuachu, most of his goals this season are Headers and Tap-ins (Not Bad at all) but the best way to utilize him is to find Great crossers of the ball and anything contrary, you're wasting your time. We should also keep an eye on Terem and Sadiq those 2 Guys looks like an upcoming talent. Honestly, Strikers is the least of SE problems

A player thats only 31 and has plethora of experience including playing for MU and just recently being the top scorer at ANC. I am not saying that he should be a starter, but his experience can be useful from the bench

BascoVanVeli:
Yes he would have to really grab his opportunity but that is a possibility.

Lol @ Rohr with his inshallah but I think his problem is more in game tactics because he normally sets up well for starters. It is just when backs get against the wall that he can't truly be counted upon.

I think Osimhen can also play on the left wing to accommodate someone like Onuachu.

Osimehn on the wings for onuachu? Madness. As long as SE don't have good crossers of the ball, onuachu will be pointless in SE set up. We're better investing in terem or Sadiq as osimehn back up. The coach should never play his best striker at the wings

andrewbaba44:
If i remove greats like ronaldo and zlatan and co i will still list many world class players in their 30s many players in their 20s cant match up to

. Yes, personally I feel that we're super stacked at that Wing position and I could even care less if neakaeme is called because my favorite Ejuke can't even make our 11. Wetin pics me off na how everyone come dey salivate over onyekuru for scoring 3 goals when anoda man don dey score for 2 seasons lol. All we're saying is be partial and Fair in selection/favortism

TheSuperNerd:
What Nwakaeme was expected to do as a 28 yrs old pro player and starter in his first NT game? Same thing Onuachu did in his first game naa at 24. Abi Onuachu no tear net??

Nwakaeme was no teenager on his debut. He was not 18 for goodness sake. So bringing up an 18 yrs old Osimhen who was into his first pro year of football to make excuses for a man who has seen about 7 years of professional football at his debut is the funny aspect of this discussion.

And it is not mockery please. It is me pointing out the obvious age gap in professional experience between both debut cases. One was 28 and well into his 7th year in professional club football and got a start. While the other came off the bench for the last 5 mins in a game we had already conceeded.

Nwakaeme wasn't a baby abeg. So stop making excuses for a full grown man. A good player he remains, but he isn't better than some of our wing options.

He might not be better than our current winger when everyone is "in form" But on current form, he is one of SE best winger. But whats annoying us is totally dismissing him based on 25 minutes cameo while clubless and out of from players keep getting selected. To add insult to injury, Another player scores 3 goals in the same league and everyone start salivating while he has been scoring for the past 3 seasons while fans/pundits here are Mute. E nor fair

andrewbaba44:
Maybe they have problem with the age

It has always been hard to see a naija player doing well at 31

Lol seeing how Ronaldo, Ibrahimovich and buffon is performing at 36, 40 and 43, 31 seems to be relatively young except the guy falsified his age lol.

TheSuperNerd:
And again you need to stop making this very fallacious statement. Is it that you are new to this thread or you just skip posts that actually have given Nwakaeme a mention? What is this statement really??

And yes, he scored 14 goals and 7 assists in all comps... But in what league please? Only one of those goals came in the Europa league.

Osimhen scored 13 goals and had 4 assists in a much lighter league in Ligue 1, doing so with 10 league games still to play and the internet didn't break so leave that careless, baseless talk about internet breaking if certain players did what Nwakaeme did. Osimhen did much more in a higher league and NL still dey work! E shock you?

Moses Simon also had a storming season in Ligue 1. Bagged 5 goals and 5 assists in Ligue 1 which is levels above Turkey and the internet still dey alive. So wetin you dey talk sef?

In all comps, he had about 9 goals + 5 assists or so. Made the Nantes Team of the decade (2011-2020) and also got nominated for the Marc Vivien foe award in Ligue 1 for Best African player in France. An award won by Osimhen. Yet we are still here and you dey talk of this site breaking.

Nwakaeme is a good player but it is up to Rohr to call him up and if he doesn't, I still won't complain because we have loads of other good options as well. We also have a Lookman coming in soon. Would you pick Nwakaeme over Lookman based on stats alone?

First of all, the argument was that you shouldn't just dismiss a player based on 25 minutes cameo because some players initially perform bad then eventually succeed i.e osimehn. If osimehn was dismissed after his first 3 games (no goals) would it had been fair? NO. Also, the turkey league is a Farmers league like belgium and France league but remember that our 2013 ANC king (Victor Moses) flopped at that League. 5 in 20. Anyway, like I said based on last and this season performance Nwakaeme has been one of SE best Wingers and you and I know well that if onyekuru had scored 14 goals 5 assists in all competitions in turkey league, and didn't get a call up, Rohr Competency would had been questioned here. All I am suggesting is partial, Fair and Honest selection/hype/promotion from coaches and fans. Although, I am Onyekuru fan but it didn't sit right in my heart when Onyekuru scored 3 and everyone here celebrated him while someone else has been doing similar and been ignored for the past 3 seasons

forgiveness:
Nwakaeme is not a striker.

Don't mind him lol he is clearly a winger. At the end of the day, they're all Nigerians and we wish all of them to succeed. But, we must be Consistent, Partial in our Selection, Hype and promotion from a fan/coach point of view

TheSuperNerd:
This is actually untrue. Osimhen's first game was against SA and he was a very late sub. What were your expecting? But I recall even TheGoodJoe noted Osimhen's small impact and potentials in that very game when he came on. Osimhen's movement and pressing were especially mentioned by TheGoodJoe while the rest of us dwelt on the loss and on lashing Iheanacho and Rohr. Lol.
It wasn't to say Osimhen did better than anyone in just five mins but a few positives were seen and I agreed with GoodJoe.



In Osimhen's second game, he was a sub again vs Togo back in 2017. We won 3-0 courtesy of 2 from Musa and One from Iheanacho. Osimhen later came on for Musa and acquitted himself well indeed. But this game wasn't counted among Fifa graded friendlies coz we made 9 subs in the game.

In his actual officially capped second game vs Uganda in a friendly in 2018, Osimhen's started alongside Chukwueze who ass making his debut and had a very good first half.


At Afcon 2019 vs Tunisia, in his officially capped third game in the GWG in that third place game, he replaced Ighalo and had a fairly decent showing. This is a lad who was 20 at the time and getting set to step into Iggy's shoes. He was already being groomed for the #9 role of the NT.

Osimhen's actual fourth game (if I don't count the Togo game which was scrapped off Fifa records) was also his second start vs Ukraine and what a performance he put up.

So you are wrong to say Osimhen didn't do well in his first two SE Games. Against Uganda, he did very okay. That was his first start and he was delightful to watch. His 2nd start, he was even more super delightful to watch.


Vs SA (his debut), I don't know how you wanna grade an 18 yrs old teenager for a cameo of 5 mins. That's really funny. And you wanna use that to justify the performance of a 28yrs old Nwakaeme in his first start?? The 10yrs Difference plus the gap in professional experience no slap you abi? Lol

You're actually proving his point. Osimehn didn't score in his first 3 official games for SE but kept on getting more chances. Now, the rest is History lol another person got 20 minutes in his 1st game and was never recalled again lol

TheSuperNerd:
Oya point out how Kalu has been out-of-form this season? A player that scored as recently as almost two weeks ago vs Lyon in Ligue 1? Kalu is on 3 goals and 1 assist in 9 starts in Ligue 1. Out of form?

Or is it Chukwueze? Before his groin problem, Chuks bagged two assists in his last three games for Villarreal. Out of form?

Perhaps it is Simon who you wanna point out as out of form now but he keeps playing too and at a higher level than Nwakaeme. Also, Simon in the GWG delivers for the most parts. Should we drop him then for Nwakaeme because of his Super Lig stats? Please tell me. I want to know which winger you are really having a go at.

Or is it Dennis? Dennis just joined Koln very recently and got his first goal for them within his first three Koln games. He is out of form too abi?

And how do I explain the case with Musa? Musa is clubless now yes. But he is Super Eagles Captain and he has always been a big game player for us when it matters. Musa's case is more about reputation rather than Form or stats so tell me how you would handle dropping him as the coach without any drama.


And I have a question for you. Whenever the so called "out-of-form" got called up? Did he deliver when it mattered or not? Who saved our blushes against a stubborn Benin side that almost spoilt our opening AfconQ campaign for us? Who?? Out-of-form Kalu indeed.

And stop worrying about Henry Onyekuru. Rohr hasn't called him up in a while and I don't he will get an invite for the March games. So why does he getting praised here bother you so much? Na wa for this bros.

I understand your point, but so far, the dude has 6 Goals and 4 assists this season and his name hasn't even been mentioned here at all but onyekuru scored 3 goals and became the best thing since slice bread. Anyway, based on this season, he has been SE best winger 6 goals 4 assists and yea, its a lower league but we have to analyze the calibre of goals that the man score. Even last season, the guy scored 14 goals and 5 assist in all competitions. If it was our favorite that did that, this site would had broken. All I am saying is that we should be consistent, fair and partial in our Selection and hyping of our players. We cannot pick and choose when to dismiss a player based on his league vs when to hail a player based on their league. Lastly, based on current form, nwakaeme deserves a Call up to SE

andrewbaba44:
If I am not mistaken osimhen didn’t do well in his first 2 eagles games or so but the rest is history

. Exactly, not just osimehn but numerous players. I personally think that the coach and fans are discriminating against him due to his Age. If the guy was younger, I feel like people will be salivating over him like they're doing to the king of gala. My own is that we must be partial, fair and consistent

TheSuperNerd:
We have an In-form player in Believe Iyayi Atiemwen based in Croatia and playing for Dinamo Zagreb. We should also make a huge case for him too, don't you think?

Well, we also have to consider the League that they play and aside of that, we cannot be Hypocrites. Remember, this discussion started simply because onyekuru scored (3 goals in 2) and was hyped here by fans and by Journalists while another player kept on being ignored despite the fact that he had scored numerous good performances at the same league.

TheSuperNerd:
It's obvious this guy's mission to just to hype Nwakaeme while talking down on Henry. Lol. You are doing well. We have seen this route taken by so many before you before. Carry on.

I disagree. I actually Like henry just don't like Hypocrites or selective hyping/call ups. In my opinion, In form players should always take precedence over out of form players. That way, players will be eager to perform week in and out at their clubside and it will make your team more competitive

TheSuperNerd:
How has Nwakaeme been better than any of our starting wingers in the GWG? Explain.

Also explain how his stats in turkey will easily translate to anything better than what we have now. I am waiting.

My brother you can't just keep calling out of form players just because they were originally impressive in their first games. I feel like "in form" players should be selected until they totally flop multiple times. For example, Last season, Nwakaeme was actually SE best Winger and the best winger in turkey league but he never got a chance to prove himself while clubless Musa, Out of form Kalu kept on getting recalled. Anyway, what is upsetting us is the Hypocrisy of people Hyping onyekuru for scoring 3 goals while someone else has been doing it for the past 3 seasons and is rarely mentioned.

andrewbaba44:
So if a player delivers in his first game and few others same he should always be invited even if someone else is better than him ?

You no talk that part well chief

Very myopic and sad mentality. That's why they can perform well in 1 game and be nonchalant yet they will keep getting called up.

Trust me, if onyekuru had scored the type of goal that neakaeme scored yesterday, this thread will be Buzzing by now based on Hype. Honestly, nothing offends me more than Hypocrites. Someone should repost his last goal and compare it to the 3 goals onyekuru has scored thus far that got this place hype.

PSA, I am actually an onyekuru Fan but I'm strictly against partial selection or partial Hyping.

Tolulopefinest:
Going by this your analysis sir?
Then we can say Onauchu should never be invited to the super Eagles again right ?

how can you just dismiss a player after 30 minutes of okay performance, yet Certain players keep performing horrible multiple times. Also, you want to dismiss his turkey league, yet you're calling players at Saudi arabia (now clubless) belgium, Championship and now it looks like the media want to start promoting onyekuru despite the fact that someone else has been performing superbly at the same league. On current form, I will take neakaeme at LW over Ahmed musa and even Moses Simon

elyte89:
U truly knw aw rohr thinks and work but in reality ,dis nwakaema guy has been churning out better stats dan d wingers u mentioned in ur submission... If u look at most of dis guys stat most especially kalu..its more like a gk stat,not encouraging @ all..I doubt if d guy has notched up to 10goals in d last three season yet he gets d nod ahead of nwakaema..although once in a wyle he pulls d magic

What I am saying in a nutshell is,looking @ oda wingers stat with nwakaeme own,I can't really rap my head around his constant neglect over odas...deir stat in deir respective clubs shldnt warrant rohr snubbing him since deir stat are not convincing at all.a player performing well in turkey shld b able to showcase himself in eagles set up considering d types of wingers we parade.

Worse of all, we're even parading Clubless player i.e Musa. Kalu last season stats sef was atrocious. Honestly, selective call ups is equally affecting our coaches

TheSuperNerd:
Lol... I'm happy both are doing well but the reality is that Rohr won't call both of them. He doesn't really rate the Turkish league.

The only invite from Turkey would be Etebo.

He doesn't rate Turkish league yet he rates championship and etebo plays at what club? Turkey league. Let it makes sense. Anyway, people are already hyping onyekuru for scoring 3 goals when someone else has been scoring for the past 2 seasons

andrewbaba44:
I Dey fvck up ,I forget

He played one bad game and guys here are saying nonsense

That guy is good enough for the eagles but I don’t understand rohr ,dude has been good in the Turkish league and have been playing better than our wingers in Europe for some time

Rohr self no get onuekuru time

To be fair, he wasn't even that bad against Algeria and I have seen the likes of Musa, Onuachu play worse continuously and still get an opportunity. I am just waiting for people to suggest onyekuru without mentioning Nwakaeme. Ka Nkita lacha iru ha

Samueltemi337:
I repeat napoli is a very useless club

if napoli is a useless club this season then osimehn is irredeemable useless but God forbid. Napoli nor osimehn are useless and we gotta to be mindful of the word we use at people.
If you keep saying other people children are useless don't be surprised when mankind uses yours as an example

Subzero047:
Tbh he played a part when he came on, he stretched the defence and contributed to the goal they scored but the Napoli team was awful to watch, they had no idea how to progress the ball to the strikers, Genoa even got bored and went on the offensive

you can't keep criticizing napoli and exonerating victor when victor had opportunities in the game

This is why I don't like our players signing for astronomical amounts because it puts enormous pressure on them. Anyway, all hope isn't lost and aside of chances that he misses, he is very impactfull. I hope he comes good

andrewbaba44:
I Don talk about Nwakaeme tire but dem go tell me say e no impress for him first match and dem go say e don old

Just one game ,as if all eagles players impress for first game

I Kuku lockup

What about onuachu wey only impress for his first match and don flop for the remaining 8 more matches? Anyway, na siddon look mode we dey

A lot of people here are selective analysts lol. A player like nwakaeme has been impressing for over 2 seasons at turkey league and no one has suggested his name as a possible call up. The moment onyekuru scores 3 goals in 2, he is turkey league lol omo I just dey observe

Subzero047:
4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 formation trumps 3-5-2 anytime

It depends on your opponents but let's agree to disagree boss

Subzero047:
3-5-2 is a negative formation, there not much creativity in the middle because the midfielders are trying to plug the gaps created by the overlapping wing backs, it is not possession based and usually relies on cross and nod

Rohr has used it several times because we don't have good enough midfielders but now we have a good midfield I see no need for it

It depends on who you're playing against and how you use your Rwb and Lwb. If you're playing against an inferior opponent, you can use Traditional wingers as your RWB and LWB while if you're playing against superior opponents like Brazil, you can use full backs as your RWB and LWB. I dont think its a negative formation just use it correctly