honeric01:

LOL, don't people interact in a vision?

John in revelation is a tip..

italo: There you go flip-flopping again.





Are you then saying that someone whose sins are retained will go to heaven?

Before you answer hastily, pause and reflect on this verse.

Matt 18:18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

italo:

Exactly my point.

Righteous men and women who are living or not living on earth can and do interact with Jesus.

It might be a vision for Peter, James and John, but it wasnt a vision for Jesus.

honeric01:

You keep mixing things up, God's the only one who decides who'll make heaven.

As for retaining of sin, a sin retained by humans won't stop you from making heaven if the sin is not againt God's command.

honeric01:

There are levels of sin you know?

What do you know about sin?

Are all sins equal before God?

honeric01:

So you're now telling Jesus what he should call what happened?

italo:

Let Mary and the Saints talk to Jesus. Whether in a vision or in flesh.

italo:

Oh! There are even sins that are not against God's command? Wow! Tell me more about those sins.

Also, what if the sins are against God's command (in your opinion), like me cutting of your hand. Your retaining my sin would then prevent me from entering heaven, right?



No. But all sins are still sins against God and offend him. Obviously, you disagree with that.

*it is better for you to stop replying me and think this issue over, than for you to go on speaking heresies and lies on behalf of satan...out of pride*

honeric01:

Sin is like a fault right?

honeric01:
So look at it this way:
If a 'friend' needs money to smoke because he's broke and i'm against smoking, so i decides not to give him, he gets offended and keeps malice with me, what do you call that?

honeric01:
Is it a fault against him or against God? Would this sin be counted as sinning against God or against just him?

honeric01:
Before i summarise my points for the last time, what do you understand by mathew, john and that of 1st peter? Talking about the verses regarding this topic.

italo:

A sin is not "like a fault." A sin is an offence against God.



Anything but sin.



It will be counted as no sin, whether against him or against God.



I understand that they are in contradiction to your view.

Now can you please answer the question I asked you:

Also, what if the sins are against God's command (in your opinion), like me cutting of your hand. Your retaining my sin would then prevent me from entering heaven, right?

honeric01:

A fault is a sin, some bible used 'fault' in place of sin.

Answer my questions.

italo:

Which question have I not answered?

*bearing in mind that you have not answered the question I asked before you asked yours. For the third time: *


Also, what if the sins are against God's command (in your opinion), like me cutting of your hand. Your retaining my sin would then prevent me from entering heaven, right?

honeric01:

All you've done with me is ask questions, go back to my posts, pick the questions, give answers, then i resume yours.

italo:

It is better and holier to ask questions than to speak heresies and blasphemies.

You are the one making allegations, thats why I'm asking you questions to validate your claims.

I have even hardly made any claims.

I ask because I want to know. You claim to know when you allege, so prove yourself.

Besides, you lie. I have not just asked but answered questions.

And you also have left some of my questions unanswered. Why the sudden decision to flee?

Oh! Wise decision. You've spoken more than enough heresies for a lifetime.

honeric01:

No i don't claim to know, i use 'i believe', don't put words in my mouth, now go ahead and answer my questions and lets see who's actually typing heresy.

honeric01:

No i don't claim to know, i use 'i believe', don't put words in my mouth

honeric01:

Oh, you mean moses and Elijah are living?

I can only speak of Elijah which never died but was taken up, as for Moses, i've got no clue why he showed up but he died at his time. I have no clue how God's going to judge those who died in the time of law, but biblically, those who died in the era of grace are asleep and to be awoken at the second coming. Not my word.

"for its appointed unto man to die once, after that judgement'.

BTW, none of these two were on earth during christ's ministry, and Jesus's physical apperance on earth was for a purpose, to give us direct access to God without the need for earthly\mortal mediator/s.

Jesus remains the only High priest to every true christian and no one else.


Only 2 people can forgive sins
1: God
2: The person you sinned against.

For the last time, refer to the lord's prayer.

italo:

So who typed the bold below which sure doesnt contain "I believe?"



I said it before and you didnt believe me.

A lunatic has surely hacked into your nairaland account.

honeric01:

Oh, you mean moses and Elijah are living?

I can only speak of Elijah which never died but was taken up, as for Moses, i've got no clue why he showed up but he died at his time. I have no clue how God's going to judge those who died in the time of law, but biblically, those who died in the era of grace are asleep and to be awoken at the second coming. Not my word.

"for its appointed unto man to die once, after that judgement'.

BTW, none of these two were on earth during christ's ministry, and Jesus's physical apperance on earth was for a purpose, to give us direct access to God without the need for earthly\mortal mediator/s.

Jesus remains the only High priest to every true christian and no one else.


Only 2 people can forgive sins
1: God
2: The person you sinned against.

For the last time, refer to the lord's prayer.

honeric01:

Those who died in christ are all asleep and presently not living, until the second coming, they're technically dead because sleep is a cousin to death.

Not my opinion, check the scriptures, not a hidden fact.

Once more, only the living can intercede for the living, Jesus is the only one capable of interceding for now because he represents the ONE AND ONLY HIGH PRIEST for the true believers.

honeric01:

Oh, to you, they appeared to Jesus in flesh or what are you saying?

No, i didn't shift the goal post, only answering your comments accordingly. Check my previous comments on this matter.

According to the Lord's prayers, we can forgive those who sin against us just as God does for us.

Refer to my first comment to get my drift.

honeric01:

Learn to display Christ in you if you've him at all.

I quoted the lord's prayers to buttress my point.

Civility is missing from your own brand of christianity.

Tell us what you know about who can forgive or keep your insults to yourself.

italo:

Sorry.

I just have a hard time dealing with hypocrisy. Jesus had a hard time too...(Matt 23)

The point is made. You made an assertion. So I'm asking to test your claim.

My view on forgiveness:

In John 20:23, Jesus empowered HIS APOSTLES to forgive and retain sins. This was the institution of what we call The Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession). These apostles have handed down these priestly functions through apostolic succession from generation to generation to the present day priests.

italo: Yes, Moses and Elijah and Abrahim and Jesus and Mary and Peter and James and St Francis and St Padre Pio and all the Holy men and women who have left this world are alive.

My God is a God of the living. What about yours?

italo: I am saying they appeared and talked with Jesus. Period.

italo:
Also, what if the sins are against God's command (in your opinion), like me cutting of your hand. Your retaining my sin would then prevent me from entering heaven, right?

italo: @ Honeric



I thought you were going to answer this ONE after I answered your outstanding questions.

It seems like you just hate that question.

By the way, happy Sunday. God bless you.

honeric01:

If the sin is directly to God, a man can't forgive sins committed against God.

I hope you know there are level of sins?

Ever heard of sins against the holy spirit? and do you know what the bible says about such sins?

Same to you.

italo:

But you didnt answer my question directly. Look how I answered yourd head-on.

I gave a specific example. If I cut off your hand (which you would consider as a sin against both God and you), would your retaining my sin cost me my salvation?

honeric01:
LOL, his apostles or his followers known as "Christians"?

honeric01:
You must have another meaning for "hypocrisy"

honeric01:
Jesus didn't call people who ask him questions lunatic, wondering who you're learning that from.

honeric01:

Meaning everyone who has died are still alive, not just the names you listed? (as long as they knew God before dying). where are they right now? any passage in the bible to back this up?