italo:

Amen! Now, two questions:

Whose opinion is this...God's opinion or yours?

Let us assume you are correct. Do you believe that anyone who lives and believes in Jesus will LIVE forever?

jusRadical: If the pope and the priests forgive sins according to roman catholics, WHAT THEN IS THE ROLE OF CHRIST JESUS IN salvation?

Roman catholic is not only demonic but also hellishly satanic. We will know better when we die or when CHRIST JESUS comes.

drnoel:
U see how that thing u drank is making u do act out of xter. Tell me, how does an ordinary catholic go against the doctrines of the church he/she was born and raised with. Pls mind how u talk.

[size=16pt]You see, this is why many of you would end up in hell with satan and his demons if you don't watch it!

Because, you believe so strongly on the doctrine of yous Church, if it's values and practices are against the 'Word of God/Scriptures in the Bible', you continue to support it and it's practices

Too bad for you...

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lacum:
pls if u dont undestand this doctrine just keep quiet and listen to others b4 writing. every priest has a confessor likewise d pope. dats d humility in d whole thing. d popes confesor is a priest too. even if as some people suggest that d bible said dat we should confess to one another is true, does d church not have d right to restrict it to priests to guard against d abuse? rmemba dat a priet cannot reveal ur sins to anoda in any circumstance.
back to d topic, indulgence is not forgiveness of sin and confesson cannot be done through d net because its not safe. d blessings of d pope in brazil wil forgive d punishment due to d sins u have been forgiven at confession and even in ur individual prayer but dis must come from following d programe prayerfully. so tel me whats d difficult thing to understand here?

[size=16pt]Hehehe!!

Let me inform you once more - you see, it is you who do not understand the doctrine of Jesus Christ, ok!

I am telling you now, 'Thou shall not confess to man - because he is mortal a sinner', gorit?

Rather confess privately or openly, quietly or vocally in spirit any where you like to your God, to Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour, and stop blindly following Church doctrines that would take you to hell, as there won't be any Churches/Ministries in HEAVEN - but, only ONE FAMILY OF GOD with hosts of Angels plus us who believe and followed God's Principles, OK...!

There won't be Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian, Apostolic, Evangelical or any such congregation in Heaven, get it in order to save your soul and stop arguing, ok![/size]

Theblessed:

[size=16pt]Hehehe!!

Let me inform you once more - you see, it is you who do not understand the doctrine of Jesus Christ, ok!

I am telling you now, 'Thou shall not confess to man - because he is mortal a sinner', gorit?

Rather confess privately or openly, quietly or vocally in spirit any where you like to your God, to Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour, and stop blindly following Church doctrines that would take you to hell, as there won't be any Churches/Ministries in HEAVEN - but, only ONE FAMILY OF GOD with host of Angel plus us who believe and followed God's Principles, OK...!

There won't be Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian, Apostolic, Evangelical or any such congregation in Heaven, get it in order to save your soul and sto


p arguing, ok![/size]

lacum: but why are human beings like this? pls nairalanders, d headline is misleading. this must have been written by a non catholic to discrdit d church. indulgence does not mean forgiveness of sin but d forgivenes of d punishment due to sin. confession cannot be done online and will never be. pls read d article carefully and u will notice where it was said dat people will receive a plenary indulgence only when they follow d peogramme prayerfully and must have confessed their since to a priest. tks

honeric01:

Those who died in christ are all asleep and presently not living, until the second coming, they're technically dead because sleep is a cousin to death.

Not my opinion, check the scriptures, not a hidden fact.

Once more, only the living can intercede for the living, Jesus is the only one capable of interceding for now because he represents the ONE AND ONLY HIGH PRIEST for the true believers.

drnoel:
Don't worry urself, let them throw their insults. This is not the first time the church has been in the lime light and it won't be the last. As long as what they say doesn't shake ur faith. U see, they all want and admire the catholic church, this is just their weird way of saying it.

italo:

So were Moses and Elijah living or dead...at the transfiguration?

honeric01:

Oh, you mean moses and Elijah are living?

I can only speak of Elijah which never died but was taken up, as for Moses, i've got no clue why he showed up but he died at his time. I have no clue how God's going to judge those who died in the time of law, but biblically, those who died in the era of grace are asleep and to be awoken at the second coming. Not my word.

"for its appointed unto man to die once, after that judgement'.

BTW, none of these two were on earth during christ's ministry, and Jesus's physical apperance on earth was for a purpose, to give us direct access to God without the need for earthly\mortal mediator/s

honeric01:
Jesus remains the only High priest to every true christian and no one else.


Only 2 people can forgive sins
1: God
2: The person you sinned against.

For the last time, refer to the lord's prayer.

italo:

If you are saying Elijah and Moses were dead at the transfiguration, it means dead men can talk to Jesus.

If you say they were living, it means righteous men who have left this earth are living...and can talk to Jesus.

Either way, you argument is screwed.


Let us assume that your years of Bible study have never included John 20:23: "If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

honeric01:

Unbelivers see ghost of their dead unbeliver brethern, so?

honeric01:
Yes, what i quoted is in context of john 20, s but for the christians (true), if we're to forgive sins, its because we represent christ on earth, hence 1pet 2;9. Every true christian is christ on earth, so confessing to one another's a collective christian obligation and was not a specific duty of one person as the catholics practise.

Summary: God's the one who forgives finally, Jesus is our link to the forgiver and he's giving us the proxy to forgive others. So whicheverway you look @ it, it still means 'one to another' and not to a 'specified person'.

drnoel:
U obviously don't have information and so u decided to talk out of contest.

drnoel:
U obviously don't have information and so u decided to talk out of contest.

italo:

Oh! So you are saying it wasnt Elijah and Moses Jesus was talking to, it was their ghosts? *just because you want to deny that they were either living or dead, which rubbishes your argument*



See how you are gradually shifting the goal post. First you said "only God and the offended can forgive sins." Now you are saying "every Christian can forgive sins."

Which one should we take?

Sort yourself out before you attack Catholic doctrine. You dont even know what you believe.

italo:

So were Moses and Elijah living or dead...at the transfiguration?

honeric01:

Unbelivers see ghost of their dead unbeliver brethern, so?

Yes, what i quoted is in context of john 20, s but for the christians (true), if we're to forgive sins, its because we represent christ on earth, hence 1pet 2;9. Every true christian is christ on earth, so confessing to one another's a collective christian obligation and was not a specific duty of one person as the catholics practise.

Summary: God's the one who forgives finally, Jesus is our link to the forgiver and he's giving us the proxy to forgive others. So whicheverway you look @ it, it still means 'one to another' and not to a 'specified person'.

lacum:
so jesus is now practicing necromancy?
honerico1, honerico1,honerico1 how many times did i call u?
as long as u beging to digress from d xtian truth brouht to u by d catholic church, u will continue to say things dat are against d xtian faith.
lastly, does d church not have d right to regulate d abuse of confessing to one anoda?

honeric01:

Oh, to you, they appeared to Jesus in flesh or what are you saying?

honeric01:
No, i didn't shift the goal post, only answering your comments accordingly. Check my previous comments on this matter.

According to the Lord's prayers, we can forgive those who sin against us just as God does for us.

Refer to my first comment to get my drift.

honeric01:

Only 2 people can forgive sins
1: God
2: The person you sinned against.

honeric01:

Yes, what i quoted is in context of john 20, s but for the christians (true), if we're to forgive sins, its because we represent christ on earth, hence 1pet 2;9. Every true christian is christ on earth, so confessing to one another's a collective christian obligation and was not a specific duty of one person as the catholics practise.

Summary: God's the one who forgives finally, Jesus is our link to the forgiver and he's giving us the proxy to forgive others. So whicheverway you look @ it, it still means 'one to another' and not to a 'specified person'.

italo:

Matt 17:3: Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.


Why do you want to force it to say "Moses' and Elijah's ghosts?"




Okay, let me do your wish and check previous posts.




Mr Honeric, what do you actually believe?

That only God and the offended can forgive sins, or that every Christian can forgive sins, whether they are the offended or not?

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italo:

Matt 17:3: Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.


Why do you want to force it to say "Moses' and Elijah's ghosts?"




Okay, let me do your wish and check previous posts.




Mr Honeric, what do you actually believe?

That only God and the offended can forgive sins, or that every Christian can forgive sins, whether they are the offended or not?

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honeric01:

Using your logic, if no man's without sin, why then do i need to only confess to a 'pope' and expects forgiveness when i can just confess to the person i offend?

In my understanding, confessing to 'one another' had more to do with the unity in the early church then and was a way of making christians come to terms with eachother once they err against one another.

I believe only 2 persons can forgive sins
1: The person you erred against
2: God.

Tip? Read the Lord's prayer again, this was what Jesus our true savior taught us and the key to who's capable of forgiving sins is hidden in that prayer.

honeric01:

'They appeared', what does that indicate?

italo:

It said "Moses and Elijah appeared."

That indicates that Moses and Elijah appeared.

Not their ghosts, as you are so desperate to force the verse to say.

italo: @ Honeric,

Okay, so you are saying only God and the offended can forgive sins.

Let us look again at John 20:23. It says: "If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

You are telling me that that passage is referring to people who are offended.

But does the offended have power to retains people's sins?

E.g If I steal your money, and ask you for forgiveness and you refuse, then nothing can save me according to your interpretation of John 20:23?

If I cut off your hand and you forgive me with or without my asking, I am cleared of that sin?

honeric01:

Yes, if i refuse to forgive you, your sin's retained. That's why Jesus said if you've offended anyone, you must seek for his or her forgiveness before your offerings can be accepted by God.

He also said before your own sins can be forgiven, you must also forgive others who sinned against you.

honeric01:

You still can't fanthom what 'appeared' mean? It was a vision oga, they didn't walk up to him o. Pls go and read the full passage again.

italo:

This is amazing! Am I reading the bold right, or has some lunatic hacked into your nairaland account?

In order words, I can decide whether my offenders will go to heaven or hell, by choosing to forgive or retain their sin(s) against me?

italo:

So Jesus was not actually talking with them...he only had "a vision?"

Is this what St. Matthew wrote?

honeric01:

Yes, if i refuse to forgive you, your sin's retained.

honeric01:
Don't get it twisted, i'm talking about sin we commit against eachother, not forgiving me won't stop me from making heaven.