Now, have I benefitted anything from being a 'northerner'? No.
Have I lost anything from not being a South-Westerner. I don't think so.

So I'm not so keen at all these artificial classifications.

I am from Kwara state and i have been following this thread from page one, i think you people need to correct a notion which thinking all Kwarans are Ilorin. Everything that has been discussed here are purely Ilorin`s problem and not Kwara as a whole. When go outside Ilorin in Kwara state go and call anybody Fulani and get your Head cut off your Neck. There have been some agitation for creation of states in Kwara state just in order for other people to be able to join their kinsmen in south west like Offa agitating for creation of Ibolo state, Igbomina whose population is the highest also agitating for state.Above all, even Ilorin stance in my opinion is mainly for political and religion reasons if eventuality happens They will join Yoruba for sure. If you doubt me, check the population of people in OPC i mean Odua People Congress, The Agberos in Lagos are also mostly of Kwara extraction. This two miscrants groups are dominated by Ibadan and Kwara and mostly Ilorin Kwara. so don`t confuse religion and political sentiment as reality on ground.

kwara is bigger than ilorin......ilorin do not equal kwara. Let kwaran decide were they want to belong.

jahrule: I am from Kwara state and i have been following this thread from page one, i think you people need to correct a notion which thinking all Kwarans are Ilorin. Everything that has been discussed here are purely Ilorin`s problem and not Kwara as a whole. When go outside Ilorin in Kwara state go and call anybody Fulani and get your Head cut off your Neck. There have been some agitation for creation of states in Kwara state just in order for other people to be able to join their kinsmen in south west like Offa agitating for creation of Ibolo state, Igbomina whose population is the highest also agitating for state.Above all, even Ilorin stance in my opinion is mainly for political and religion reasons if eventuality happens They will join Yoruba for sure. If you doubt me, check the population of people in OPC i mean Odua People Congress, [b]The Agberos in Lagos are also mostly of Kwara extraction. This two miscrants groups are dominated by Ibadan and Kwar[/b]a and mostly Ilorin Kwara. so don`t confuse religion and political sentiment as reality on ground.

I noticed that too. Awon ara ilu oke.

Jarus: Now, have I benefitted anything from being a 'northerner'? No.
Have I lost anything from not being a South-Westerner. I don't think so.

So I'm not so keen at all these artificial classifications.

Offa people see themselves more as Yorubas than Northerners, you might have not lost anything by not being a South Westerner, but, if this nation should collapse and everybody goes his way, my brother, it will be better you go with those who speak your language o.

More seriously, I think from the general feelings, majority of my Kwara South (Yoruba) people don't hold my view. They almost all gladly prefer being in the West. So, if referendum was done, you can be sure Kwara South people will want to be part of SW, where our Yoruba kinsmen are. But me, I'm indifferent. This view remains unchanged.

As for Kwara North (Nupe etc), they have more affinity with the North, and would fit more into the North.

For Kwara Central (Ilorin), that is where teh major confusion is. I don't like to delve much into Ilorin history although some contributors here have touched on it, but from my readings, what is convincing to me is that, Ilorin was a Yoruba city overrun by Fulani, so now ruled by Fulani.

From my interactions with Ilorin folk, some claim to be Yoruba, some Fulani. My wife is from Ilorin and claims Fulani; I have met many Ilorin people (especially females) that go furious when called Yoruba. I have equally met many people from same Ilorin that claim Yoruba and will smack you if you address them as Fulani. Oyb of NL here is one of them. So their identity is just confusing. But their elite (Idi-Agbon, Saraki etc identify with Fulani)

hercules07:

Offa people see themselves more as Yorubas than Northerners, you might have not lost anything by not being a South Westerner, but, if this nation should collapse and everybody goes his way, my brother, it will be better you go with those who speak your language o.

I agree, if not for any reason, for the simple fact that we will belong to minority ethnicity in the Republic of Northern Nigeria.

Jarus: More seriously, I think from the general feelings, majority of my Kwara South (Yoruba) people don't hold my view. They almost all gladly prefer being in the West. So, if referendum was done, you can be sure Kwara South people will want to be part of SW, where our Yoruba kinsmen are. But me, I'm indifferent. This view remains unchanged.

As for Kwara North (Nupe etc), they have more affinity with the North, and would fit more into the North.

For Kwara Central (Ilorin), that is where teh major confusion is. I don't like to delve much into Ilorin history although some contributors here have touched on it, but from my readings, what is convincing to me is that, Ilorin was a Yoruba city overrun by Fulani, so now ruled by Fulani.

From my interactions with Ilorin, some claim to be Yoruba, some Hausa. My wife is from Ilorin and claims Fulani; I have met many Ilorin people (especially females) that go furious when called Yoruba. I have equally met many people from same Ilorin that claim Yoruba and will smack you if you address them as Fulani. Oyb of NL here is one of them. So their identity is just confusing.

Ni kukuru sha, you guys are twisted fuqs!

Fulani has not only messed with your DNA, but gone far to mess with your brains!

Any reason why we're still deliberating over this matter?

The people we are fighting for saybdem go die with Aboki o.

If Ibadan is the administrative head of Yoruba, Ekiti / Ondo as Academic/ research Headquarters, Ife Osun is spiritual home and Lagos been Economic Headquarters. I think Kwara can be the Military Headquaters since they are more like that or what do you think about this.

Desola:

You are a Hausa man with Yoruba origin.

Nothing wrong with that. Wish you all the best being Arewa.

omo Yoruba ni mi joor. Emi Iyeru okin omo olofa mojo, omo abisujooko, omo laare buure

hercules07:

Offa people see themselves more as Yorubas than Northerners, you might have not lost anything by not being a South Westerner, but, if this nation should collapse and everybody goes his way, my brother, it will be better you go with those who speak your language o.

Lie!

As an Eko chick, I will go with Egun before going with Aboki kwarans. Although I do not share a language with Eguns, I am accustomed to their way of life. Kwarans should better go with those they share customs and practises not forgetting religion.

Ni kukuru, let Aboki take the assimilated Yorubas.

Kachifo!

Jarus:
omo Yoruba ni mo joor. Emi Iyeru okin omo olofa mojo, omo abisujooko, omo laare buure

Olofa mojo ko, olojojo ni.

Aboki feeling funky.

Desola:

Lie!

As an Eko chick, I will go with Egun before going with Aboki kwarans. Although I do not share a language with Eguns, I am accustomed to their way of life. Kwarans should better go with those they share customs and practises not forgetting religion.

Ni kukuru, let Aboki take the assimilated Yorubas.

Kachifo!

Desola:

Olofa mojo ko, olojojo ni.

Aboki feeling funky.

chei, yarinya dan iska

jahrule: If Ibadan is the administrative head of Yoruba, Ekiti / Ondo as Academic/ research Headquarters, Ife Osun is spiritual home and Lagos been Economic Headquarters. I think Kwara can be the Military Headquaters since they are more like that or what do you think about this.

And when Aboki says rankadede to them, they turn back and stab their Yoruba brother. Otio o.

Say rankadede or Salam alaikum to kwarans and they forget Yoruba sharp sharp.

Jarus:



chei, yarinya dan iska

Enemy within

I want to believe you have not been to Kwara state before, try and do i guess your opinion would change. cheers

Desola:
And when Aboki says rankadede to them, they turn back and stab their Yoruba brother. Otio o.

Say rankadede or Salam alaikum to kwarans and they forget Yoruba sharp sharp.

Generally 4rm my observation; ilorin pple are a confused bunch because:
1. Most of them claim to be northerners mainly 4 political reasons
2. They exhibit LSE(LowSelfEsteem) because they've been so subjugated by d Hausa/Fulani oligarchs to d extent that they feel that their yoruba identity is inferior to that of Northerners or why do most of them hv to dress and behave like Hausas? Thesame thing in Kogi state except u're told d dep.gov(Sunday Awoniyi) is yoruba, u wouldn't know 'cos he's alwys dressing like a northerner.
3. To those claiming that Kwara state is part of North u most really be deluded. Go and chk d map, u'll simply agree wit me. The rivers niger and benue clearly outlines d division no contest.
4. How can Benue pple also claim 2 be part of North as being championed by David Mark? Someone or some pple must definitely be high I swear!

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No thanks.

I don't want boko to haram mi.

funshint: Generally 4rm my observation; ilorin pple are a confused bunch because:
1. Most of them claim to be northerns mainly 4 political reasons
2. They exhibit LSE(LowSelfEsteem) because they've been so subjugated by d Hausa/Fulani oligarchs to d extent that they feel that their yoruba identity is inferior to that of Northerners or why do most of them hv to dress and behave like Hausas? Thesame thing in Kogi state except u're told d dep.gov(Sunday Awoniyi) is yoruba, u wouldn't know 'cos he's alwys dressing like a northerner.
3. To those claiming that Kwara state is part of North u most really be deluded. Go and chk d map, u'll simply agree wit me. The rivers niger and benue clearly outlines d division no contest.
4. How can Benue pple also claim 2 be part of North as being championed by David Mark? Someone or some pple must definitely be high I swear!

Thank you ojare, Eyan iyi!

Jarus:
Northerner is not necessarily Hausa/Fulani, I'm sure you know.

Being hausa/fulani is not the major issue.

The problem is that there is class system in the north.

The core northern is the main northerner, the minority among them is another class. Talkless of we kwarans that are in far away state in the north. Probably we are fourth or fifth class.

So glad Jarus is here.

Can't believe I'm crying after reading your write-up and some comments. One day, just one day brother, kwara's case will be settled. Those saying ilorin is not yoruba land will will understand.

fluteman: Please don't allow the trolls derail this fine thread, lets just ignore them.

I stayed in Ilorin for a year or so and I can confirm that the Ilorin emirates is more Fulani than Yoruba.
The fact that they answer Yoruba names seems to me like a survival strategy and it has been deceptively successful.

The strongest tool the emirates are using to stay is Islam as it somewhat creates a kind if unified front for the Yoruba and Fulani, with the claim and practice of the Emirates following Islamic traditions. The majority muslim Yoruba will want to follow Islamic tennets by leaning towards the emirates ( which is actually a form of Fulani rulership tool) rather than a native Obaship that denote paganism.

Islam, to me, is the main factor

OP, i think u shld pay attention to what this guy has just said.

Nigeria dont need 5 regions but 400 states for each ethnic group. These states should be empowered to manage their economic financial political social etc affairs which will reduce ethnic hate and increase ethnic progress.

Are you kidding me The OP has disappear into thin air and now appear as a ghost. Has there been threat to his life?

We were having a debate until some attention seeking ...let us be polite and say person came here with their insecurities.
Can we stick to the issues