Emusan:

Infact Holyspirit can speak.
Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, [size=14pt]the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.[/size]

In this verse Holy spirit identified Itself as Jesus by saying "...the work whereunto I have called...."

It's Jesus who called Paul yet Holy spirit claimed to be the who called Paul.

hisblud: If the jw see the Holy Spirit as an impersonal active force like sanddust, they cannot be Christians.

hisblud: Hi jman and loveroftruth, why no answer, na?

hisblud: Hi jman and loveroftruth, why no answer, na?

JMAN05:

chai, I will receive insult cos of being sincere!!! If I ask you, are you a catholic or a christian. what will you answer? assuming you are a catholic.

JMAN05:

go to google play and update ur intellectual apps. It is outdated. look up though.

God - the one greater than him, whom he serves. Does God have any? yes or no?

JMAN05:

Does it not show that God is greater than Him? cos I ve heard that anyone gave the almighty a revelation to go and give to somebody.

JMAN05:

what does it mean? immortal soul?

truthislight: Hehehe, very funny a place.

@Italo

I wish to show you something below, so, cool down and read it and see if there is anything you will take out of it from this Rev 22.


Rev 22:6-13 talked about Yahweh sending his angel, then from verse 16 and 17 talked about Jesus the root of Devid also sending his angel.

see:


"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:6-13).
..........:..........
That ^ is talking about Yahweh that sends His angel.

After Yahweh sends his Angel, then Jesus sends his angel in subsequent vers 16 below:


"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:16-17).
..................

The almighty is not of the root of David.

Yahweh is not a morning star.

"The lord God of the prophet" is Yahweh.

@Italo

did we learn anything there ?

Emusan:

See the English meaning of 'it'
pronoun
-The third-person singular personal pronoun used to refer to an inanimate object, to an inanimate thing with no or unknown sex or gender.
-The third-person singular personal pronoun used to refer to an animate entity of unknown gender.
[size=14pt]-Used to refer to oneself when identifying oneself, often on the phone, but not limited to this situation.[/size]
-The impersonal pronoun, used without referent as the subject of an impersonal verb or statement. (known as the dummy pronoun or weather it)
-The impersonal pronoun, used as a placeholder for a delayed subject, or less commonly, object. (known as the dummy pronoun)
obsolete relative That which; what.
noun (plural it)
-The person or people who chase and try to catch the other players in the playground game of tag.
(British) The game of tag itself.

So is Holy spirit a person or not?
@bold-It is very clear that these three persons are One.

italo: God--Is 44:6, 7: I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
7 Who is like me? Let them proclaim it,
let them declare and set it forth before me.

Jesus--Rev 1:17 I am the first and the last!

Italo-- SMH for JWs.

Emusan:

See the English meaning of 'it'
pronoun
-The third-person singular personal pronoun used to refer to an inanimate object, to an inanimate thing with no or unknown sex or gender.
-The third-person singular personal pronoun used to refer to an animate entity of unknown gender.
[size=14pt]-Used to refer to oneself when identifying oneself, often on the phone, but not limited to this situation.[/size]
-The impersonal pronoun, used without referent as the subject of an impersonal verb or statement. (known as the dummy pronoun or weather it)
-The impersonal pronoun, used as a placeholder for a delayed subject, or less commonly, object. (known as the dummy pronoun)
obsolete relative That which; what.
noun (plural it)
-The person or people who chase and try to catch the other players in the playground game of tag.
(British) The game of tag itself.

So is Holy spirit a person or not?
@bold-It is very clear that these three persons are One.

hisblud: @jman good
Jehovah Witness Mistakes
1. in 1914 - wrong expectation of going to heaven and our understanding that the gentile times ended in was fulfilled.

2. in 1925 - thinking they enterred christ reign.

3. In 1975 - the number to receive heavenly hope should be decreasing not increasing, but the opposite has often been the case.

4. please kindly itemise the initial beliefs before you changed.
5. in 1942 ok

what do you subscribe to?

true2god:
@ loveroftruth, can an inactive force be lied to?

The holy spirit, according to JW, works like electric current, tornadoe, turbine wind, battery etc. So it's not animate but a force (or non living thing) God uses to carry out his actions.
From Act 5: 3-4, Peter asked Ananais and his wife y satan has filled their heart to LIE to the Holy Spirit. So my question now to you is this, if the Holy Spirit is a non-living thing, hw reasonable do u think it can be lied to. Can u lie to electric current, wind, battery etc?

I need u and JMAN05 help explain this verse. Can u lie to an active force?

hisblud: beautiful. Jman over to you.

hisblud: gbam! Jw answer.

true2god: @ loveroftruth, are JW christians or non-christains? Yes or no, i dont need ur jextaposing and long incoherent post.

true2god: It's a very simple question than many JW will refuse to answer straightaway. They will rather take you through long lecture instead of giving u a straight response.

Hisblud, u need ask urself if u r dealing with, or having Bible discussions with, a christian organization. This will form the next step u'll take in ur future discussion. My JW friend made me understand that they are not christians, or part of the christendom. So i need clarification from JMAN05 if he share similar opinion or belief.

italo:

Another dubious 'meaninglessness.'

God has God. Yes.

As Spirit has Spirit.

italo:

Yeah right...just like John the Baptist I the greatest but still human like the rest.

The Father is greater but still God like Jesus.

"I and the Father are one."

Is it Archangel Michael that is one with the Father?

italo:

Why cant you just answer what the Jehovah's Witnesses say the soul is?

You look for the flimsiest excuses to avoid questions.

This one is talking about your current teaching and you're still afraid to answer.

italo: God--Is 44:6, 7: I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
7 Who is like me? Let them proclaim it,
let them declare and set it forth before me.

Jesus--Rev 1:17 I am the first and the last!

Italo-- SMH for JWs.

italo:

Key questions:

1. Who is coming quickly in verse 12 & 20?

italo:

2. Compare Rev 22:6 And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of thespirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place

italo:

With Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

And adjuge who is speaking.

truthislight:

Rev 22:6-13 talked about Yahweh sending his angel, then from verse 16 and 17 talked about Jesus the root of Devid also sending his angel.

see:


"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:6-13).
..........:..........
That ^ is talking about Yahweh that sends His angel.

After Yahweh sends his Angel, then Jesus sends his angel in subsequent vers 16 below:


"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." (Revelation 22:16-17).
..................

The almighty is not of the root of David.

Yahweh is not a morning star.

"The lord God of the prophet" is Yahweh.

truthislight: @Italo Italo

If you had red that the "God of the prophet sends his angel in verse 6 and the bright norning star of the rooth of Devid sends his angel in verse 16, you would not be asking about who is coming in verses 12 and 20 as though they are talking about the same persons. Read it again, but well this time.

Meanwhile, what did you do below here?

What is this your scripture post saying ?



i cant reconcile with this your choice of Scripturs o!

Did your post present words that is not the truth ?

Again, what is the message you are passing ?

What i posted, was it not correct ?

Why is your bible referenc saying 'spirit ' instead of the God of the prophets ?



I cant see what you are trying to say up there.

Did you actually read my post at all so ? Did you not get the message of that post concerning that John 22

see it again here :



I dont know why your own verse 6 is suspect.

If we see the truth lets be bold enough to say this is the truth,

Well, enjoy.

JMAN05:

I ve shown the difference btw these two scriptures sir.

JMAN05:

out of context.

JMAN05:

Enjoy.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989271