Syncan:

Sis, If you ask your question civilly, you'll surely get an answer. If you ridicule, then you do not need an answer.

Note that this is a general statement of fact, I am not indicting you yet of any wrong.

vickyO:
Who's this?
Let me address the Psalm 45 issue
The details of the Psalm clearly pictures an earthly wedding of the King of Israel. And it in no way conforms to the marriage supper of the Lamb in Rev. 10:1-10
Read the whole Psalm and understand it.

Syncan:

Dear VickyO, compare that Psalm 45:6 "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre"

with this:

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom". Heb1:8

Please Just like you said "David was a prophet", Kindly note the truth in this as well...it was not talking about any earthly king. Just read the whole of hebrews chapter one, its not much.

vickyO:
David was a Prophet. Acts 2:25-30
"For David speaketh concerning him.........Therefore being a Prophet...."
Happy
now address my question..

italo:

Address it to your blind fellow Protestant.

Dont you want to save his confused soul?

vickyO:
he will see the post.
address my question.

italo:

The Bible allows intercession.

The Bible doesnt exclude Mary from interceding.

Now you give me the verse where the Bible says "dont pray to Mary."

vickyO:
Lists of those who interceded in the Bible:
The Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf, Roman 8:26, Elijah interceded Romans 11:2, Christians are to intercede I Timothy 2:1, Isaiah 59:16 speaks of how God made Christ our intercessor and Hebrews 7:25 shows that Jesus intercedes.
And it shows no record of Mary interceding for us.
Jesus us told us how to pray: To the father in the name of Jesus.
He didn't say pray to Mary but to the father in my name.

vickyO:
I've read it. The Psalmist operates in the prophetic but If you read he whole Psalm 45, you'll know that the marriage described there is not the same as the one depicted in Revelations 10, the marriage supper of the Lamb. probably an analogy.

italo:

Is Mary a pagan or muslim or an Atheist?

Is she not a Christian?

Syncan:

Thanks VickyO. Note that I never said anything about a wedding, nor did I talk of Rev 10. All I did was Point to psalm 45:6 as a prophecy of God the father talking to the Son about his Scepter and throne. This could only happen in heaven. In verse Nine it talked about the queen sitting at the right of the Son. I supported this with Hebrews showing that It was God, talking to His Son. For in that Hebrews, God also addressed the angels. You may want to re-trace the genesis of this my post.

vickyO:
Ok, so what are you trying to prove to me?

vickyO:
Alive or dead?
She was a Christian and is a dead one now.
Jesus told us how to pray, I repeat, to the Father in Jesus name. Not to Mary or the saints.

vickyO:
Ok, let me ask appropriately.
Please can you quote the Scripture that supports prayers to Mary?

vickyO:
The Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf, Roman 8:26, Elijah interceded Romans 11:2, Christians are to intercede I Timothy 2:1, Isaiah 59:16 speaks of how God made Christ our intercessor and Hebrews 7:25 shows that Jesus intercedes.
And it shows no record of Mary interceding for us.
Jesus us told us how to pray: To the father in the name of Jesus.
He didn't say pray to Mary but to the father in my name.

Demain_man:

So who is that queen? You?

vickyO:
Ok, so what are you trying to prove to me?

italo:

So you doubt Jesus when he says believers never die?

vickyO:
Some theologians have said the Queen represents the Church of Christ while some disagreed by saying the events are in no way a replica of the happenings in heaven.
So the Queen is the faithful Christians.

Syncan:

Vicky, You already said Christians Intercede. Intercession is talking to God on behalf of another.



From your post, we see that though Christ is our Intercessor, Christians can intercede. Mary is a christian too.

Syncan:

Please let's not worry about what theologians say or not. Lets agree that God was talking to His son, and that a queen dressed in ophir was sitting at the Son's right hand. Just as the scripture says.

Syncan:

Nothing my dear, for the post was not addressed to you in the first place. You however decided to "address" it, so i had to draw your attention to some things you seem to overlook. The post is a refutation to another post, and the refutation still stands.

vickyO:
Some theologians have said the Queen represents the Church of Christ while some disagreed by saying the events are in no way a replica of the happenings in heaven.
So the Queen is the faithful Christians.

Demain_man:

You see you have answered the question "Some theologians have said the Queen represents the Church of Christ while some disagreed by saying the events are in no way a replica of the happenings in heaven

So we Catholics also believe that the 'Queen' is Mary the mother of God the son.

The title of queen is used for woman and not for faithful christians

vickyO:
Ok, but did the scripture tell us who this queen is?

vickyO:
The post wasn't addressed to me? why did you quote my post if you didn't intend to address me?

Acidosis:

The so called queen and the image was formerly an idol for pagans..

A Queen of Heaven is synonymous to the queen of the coast.

There are different kinds of heaven afterall..
But the Heaven I'm striving to make has no queen!

Syncan:

Oh really? "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre...upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir". Psalm 45:6-9.

vickyO:
I thought you said we should involve theologians i.e. we should take the scripture as it is. Well, you're doing otherwise. Take that scripture as it is and you'll realize it isn't Mary. And in death Mary ceases to be the mother of Christ. In heaven, there's nothing like husband, wife or daughter or son.

Demain_man:
The title of queen is used for woman and not for faithful christians

vickyO:
Who's this?
Let me address the Psalm 45 issue
The details of the Psalm clearly pictures an earthly wedding of the King of Israel. And it in no way conforms to the marriage supper of the Lamb in Rev. 10:1-10
Read the whole Psalm and understand it.

Syncan:

Dear VickyO, compare that Psalm 45:6 "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre"

with this:

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom". Heb1:8

Please Just like you said "David was a prophet", Kindly note the truth in this as well...it was not talking about any earthly king. Just read the whole of hebrews chapter one, its not much.

vickyO:
I thought you said we should involve theologians i.e. we should take the scripture as it is. Well, you're doing otherwise. Take that scripture as it is and you'll realize it isn't Mary. And in death Mary ceases to be the mother of Christ. In heaven, there's nothing like husband, wife or daughter or son.

Demain_man:

You are the one that said 'some' and the 'some', i only added the Catholic 'some' too thats all.

Well we Catholics see it differently VickyO. We see Mary as not just any woman but a very very very special woman to have brought Christ into this world. So we respect and honour her. If on the last day God tells us that we are wrong to honour Mary, So be it!

Let me ask you ones question. Do you celebrate mass in your church?

vickyO:
I don't know what mass is....
As I said there is nothing like Mother or father or any thing like that in heaven. that's why Jesus redefined the meaning of his family limiting them to those who do the will of God.
Why no accept the truth now Stubbornness at its peak. There is nothing like mother of Christ in heaven.

chukwudi44:
So how come Jesus is still the son of God in heaven?