MAYOWAAK: Evander Holyfield paid $23 million to Creflo Dollar in tithe!!! But he's now on the threshold of abject nothingness!! So where is Dollar to bail Holyfield out of his misery Holyfield has been dupe by Dollar, but I guess duping a man is okay as long as it's a ''Holy Dupe!'' No matter how 'learned' a man is, how much respect I have for them - I lose my respect for such a person the moment I'm told they believe in the book of talking snakes!

MAYOWAAK: Evander Holyfield paid $23 million to Creflo Dollar in tithe!!! But he's now on the threshold of abject nothingness!! So where is Dollar to bail Holyfield out of his misery Holyfield has been dupe by Dollar, but I guess duping a man is okay as long as it's a ''Holy Dupe!'' No matter how 'learned' a man is, how much respect I have for them - I lose my respect for such a person the moment I'm told they believe in the book of talking snakes!

MAYOWAAK: Here at PimpPreacher.com we have just discovered two solid words that could end the Tithing Debate once and for all, (1) Evander (2) Holyfield. These two words are truly the end of the tithing discussion, because by his own admission Evander Holyfield paid tithes on $230 million. That’s right, $230 million given to Creflo Dollar’s World Changers Ministry, and It is with great sadness that we report to you today that J.P. Morgan Chase is currently auctioning off Holyfield’s home for $7.9 million.

The most recent bid on the property fell short at $2.9 million – which means if the bank accepts that offer then Holyfield will still be on the hook for the difference. Where’s Creflo? Has anybody seen Creflo?

How in the World of Tithes could this happen to a man who has paid over $23 million alone in Tithes to Creflo Dollar? Here is another question for you to consider as you replay everything your Pastor has ever said about tithing. If tithing really worked why doesn’t Holyfield have at least $10 million in the bank to save his own home?

Plenty of people are criticizing Evander Holyfield right now for blowing through all of his prize fighting earnings, but on the other hand, for the first time I understand how that could happen. Evander Holyfield really believed that if he sowed 10% of $230 million surly God would give him a 100 fold return on that $230 million. So why not blow it all, why save for a rainy day, why control his spending? According to The Gospel of Creflo - God would take care of the Tithers, and Holyfield was taught this garbage week in, and week out.

While Evander’s spending continued to spin out of control – not to mention the costly divorces – the R.O.T. (Return, On, Tithes,) never kicked in.

Can you imagine what it must be like for Evander Holyfield now that he’s faced with losing a symbol of his wealth, while in real time watching Creflo Dollar get richer and richer with every false sermon preached? While Creflo Dollars is still enjoying his wonderful multi-million dollar estate, Evander Holyfield is now on the outside looking through the window of his own home.

Another question that arises whenever I think about Evander Holyfield (The Poster Child for the Tithing Lie) is why Creflo hasn’t paid the $7.9 million loan in full for his once prized church member? It’s no secret that Creflo has $7.9 million x10 in the bank right now – so why not help a brother out – literally?

I am afraid the answer to the question also lies in the reason Pastors preach tithing from the start – Greed. Evander Holyfield is proof that you should never allow a pastor to know how much money you’re making, or have the potential to make. Pastors like Creflo Dollar have a special skill set, a special hypnotic ability to separate you from your money by convincing you that your monetary donations are proof of your obedience to God. Nothing could be miles away from the truth, but truth is also the enemy of Greed. The only way Greed can really have Great Success is if truth is thirteen cities away.

Whereas Mike Tyson chewed off part of Evander Holyfield’s ear – Creflo Dollar chewed through his common sense, and finances. Holyfield also serves as proof that in your time of great need – don’t expect the pastor who reached for your tithe to also reach for your hand and help you financially to climb out of debt. It’s not that type of relationship. The type relationship you have with a pastor like Creflo Dollar is as one sided as the Harlem Globetrotters vs. The Washington Generals, and in likewise you will never win, nor prosper.

If Tithing was true then Evander Holyfield should have the cattle that feeds on 100 hills – and not featured on PimpPreacher.com broke at the age of 51. Shame on you Creflo Dollar, and all of the members who currently ignore poor old Evander Holyfield. All Evander has to show for the $23 million he gave Creflo Dollar is his reserved first row pew – or what we can now refer to as the real “Dunce Chair.” Now the next time your pastor tells you that if you sow a seed in fertile ground then God will bless that seed please consider the following.

Holyfield gave $23 million so maybe, just maybe, God doesn’t work like that.

TJ - Church Folk Revolution!!!

http://pimppreacher.com/post/69012069835/23-million-reasons-why-evander-holyfield-should-punch

Pastor Kun:

Interesting article, it deserves to have a thread on it's own perhaps some tithe victims would learn a thing or two from it.

Gombs:

No he won't ...the ONLY way to heaven is Jesus Christ...no more, no less

I just saw this one. So all Non-Christian must go to hell. People be dreaming really.

C. Sixtus:
Well this is a nice thing to debate on!

This is a "debate", if you like paint it differently by calling it a "discussion" !

I simply have some questions to ask and I plead you guys to answer me if you are willing and able to. The question might be stupid to you but please answer me! Thanks!!!

1. What is tithing?
2. Who first paid tithe and who first received tithe?
3. The tithe collected is/was meant for who?
4. What inheritance did the Levite receive among the tribes of Israel?
5. Do we have Levites in Christendom today?
6. Who are the "priests" in Christianity today?
7. What was the form of tithe paid? money? or …?
8. Do we still offer burnt offerings?
9. Did the Levites pay tithes from tithes or gifts received?
10..Did any of the apostles pay tithes?
11. Is every Christian a priest today? or only the leaders are priests? and if all Christians are priest, who should we pay/give tithes to?
12. How do you give tithe from tithe unto God now in Christendom? (---Was given as a burnt offering before right? )


My questions may not interest the pro-titthers or -tithers, but please I need answers. Be scriptural with your answers please, don't just use your own words, use the Bible! Thanks!!

C. Sixtus:
Well this is a nice thing to debate on!

This is a "debate", if you like paint it differently by calling it a "discussion" !

I simply have some questions to ask and I plead you guys to answer me if you are willing and able to. The question might be stupid to you but please answer me! Thanks!!!

1. What is tithing?
2. Who first paid tithe and who first received tithe?
3. The tithe collected is/was meant for who?
4. What inheritance did the Levite receive among the tribes of Israel?
5. Do we have Levites in Christendom today?
6. Who are the "priests" in Christianity today?
7. What was the form of tithe paid? money? or …?
8. Do we still offer burnt offerings?
9. Did the Levites pay tithes from tithes or gifts received?
10..Did any of the apostles pay tithes?
11. Is every Christian a priest today? or only the leaders are priests? and if all Christians are priest, who should we pay/give tithes to?
12. How do you give tithe from tithe unto God now in Christendom? (---Was given as a burnt offering before right? )


My questions may not interest the pro-titthers or anti-tithers, but please I need answers. Be scriptural with your answers please, don't just use your own words, use the Bible! Thanks!!

rudedough:

I will answer your questions right away and with bible quotations for your reference. Please hold.

frosbel: ^^^

Image123 and co have FLED

frosbel: ^^^

Image123 and co have FLED

Kajiang02:

Seriously waiting for this too brother. It pains me that Christianity had gotten to the grounds this much as regards this very matter. Pastors now decide who God blesses by hitting on the congregation, claiming bad things to befall non-tithers. I just dey laugh at their misunderstanding.
My stand remains that, I will bless souls of people in dire need of these funds than enriching/enlarging these few persons.
God be with us.

DrummaBoy: As for ur ally, I will advice U seek for a replacement. If he comes along the way U can still incooperate him into ur presentation. That is miwerds does not disagree. As for the rule, pls let us keep it that way. That was d set back to d deepsight thread on trinity and we should not repeat the mistake. If U need more time for a presentation, U can request for it and we should grant it. I am finalizing issus with the central moderators. The minute I get their cooperation we will start. In the main time get Rhmey or a replacement.

Image123:

i'm always ready. However, i thought it not out of place that we wait fdor Rhymejohn who is the only one who expressed interest in this discussion. i'm ready when you are but in that case, i will only be presenting five points. If Rhymewj comes he might have some spot to add to. Tell us when 24hours start counting for first presentation. i suggest we use a new thread BTW.

DrummaBoy: @Image123

I need to know how far you have gone with contacting Rhymey. We may be kicking off the discuss very soon. Are we on the same page, sir?

DrummaBoy: Ok. Let us give Rhymeyjhn till noon tomorrow. If he doesnt shiw up we start without him. I understand that since each group will have equal go on each point, it doesnt matter they amount U bring into the discourse. Mark has 10; U can still come up with more b4 d discuss end. I am puttin finishin touches with the moderator; we will see to the new thread. Let keep 7pm tomorrow Sunday as a tentative date to start.

Joagbaje:

I would advise every spiritual minded person not to engage in this debate or whatever. It's just an opportunity for insults . You're not dealing with people who want to hear or see your point of view . You're dealing with people who take pleasure in mockery . Even if you present all the convincing evidence are they humble enough to admit? . @Image don't get your righteous soul injured .
Mo ti so fún e

Pastor Kun:

Evidently and by his own admission Rhymeyjohn is not very frequent on the forum. I don't think he would be able to engage actively in the discourse, I would like to suggest Image 123 gets an ally amongst the more posters here.

Joagbaje:

I would advise every spiritual minded person not to engage in this debate or whatever. It's just an opportunity for insults . You're not dealing with people who want to hear or see your point of view . You're dealing with people who take pleasure in mockery . Even if you present all the convincing evidence are they humble enough to admit? . @Image don't get your righteous soul injured .
Mo ti so fún e

Joagbaje:

I would advise every spiritual minded person not to engage in this debate or whatever.

Joagbaje:

I would advise every spiritual minded person not to engage in this debate or whatever. It's just an opportunity for insults . You're not dealing with people who want to hear or see your point of view . You're dealing with people who take pleasure in mockery . Even if you present all the convincing evidence are they humble enough to admit? . @Image don't get your righteous soul injured .
Mo ti so fún e