no justification for killing the man, she should be made to face the law, no hiding under the guise of insanity or anything

StephenP:

She's saying they all aren't sane so we should send them to professional centers where they can kill more people.

Lol they'll be too hopped up on Vicodin.

HCH3COO:

This woman killed a man in his sleep, while he was harmless.

Harmless while asleep but a ogre while awake. Perfect opportunity to kill the bastard that beats the hell out of you every day.

nubila:

Harmless while asleep but a ogre while awake. Perfect opportunity to kill the bastard that beats the hell out of you every day.

OR she could leave and make him pay alimony for the rest of his life which is a better punishment

Oka PCmugu, this is not a laughing kind of matter.

I get, but don't see the point of u writing that, I will assume i didn't see it

[qoute]According to trial testimony, on November 9, 1990, Peggy Sue Saiz used a pistol obtained from her boyfriend to shoot her husband, George, four times, killing him. Then, in order to simulate a burglary, Peggy Sue collected items from their home and took them to her mother's house and boyfriend's residence.

Witnesses said that after Peggy Sue shot her husband she went to a bar with her sister. There she met and danced with another man and later the trio went for a late-night snack. After which her sister called 911 from the Saiz home while Peggy Sue faked hysteria in the background.

When police arrived Peggy Sue first told police a burglar had killed her husband. When that story didn't stand up, she admitted shooting her husband but then claimed she was a battered wife and had killed him in self defense.

But, in addition to her infidelity, Peggy Sue had taken out large insurance policies on her husband before killing him.

Dr. Kathy Morall, a forensic psychiatrist, testified during Peggy Sue's trial that the defendant was not suffering from battered woman's syndrome or post traumatic stress disorder at the time she shot her husband.

During the trial Peggy Sue's attorney, Walter Gerash, attempted to call as witnesses two public defenders to challenge Dr. Morall's credibility, but the trial court denied that request. As an aside, it is usually only possible to call attorneys as witnesses under special circumstances, and apparently the defense attorney's request did not meet those conditions under Colorado law.

Peggy Sue Saiz was then sentenced to life in prison for the cold-blooded, premeditated murder of her husband.

Mrs. Saiz's case was appealed all the way to the Colorado Supreme Court and was denied. Then her case was appealed to Federal court. According to the July 23, 2001, edition of the Denver Post (p. 2B) US. District Judge Wiley Daniel granted Mrs. Saiz a new trial based on the trial court's refusal to allow the public defenders to be called as witnesses as to the "character and reputation for truthfulness of government witness Dr. Kathy Morrall."

Mrs. Saiz's second trial was scheduled for January 7, 2002, in Adams County District Court. But according to the Wednesday, July 24, 2002, edition of the Denver Post (p. 3B) the Colorado Court of Appeals upheld her previous conviction, ruling that although the trial court should have allowed the testimony, the error was harmless, and overturned the Federal court ruling requiring a new trial.[quote][/quote]


i don,t see any serious link to wife battering.from my point of view i think the wife is so guilty, forget what i said about breaking point,cuz obliviously this is a planned work.

nubila:

Harmless while asleep but a ogre while awake. Perfect opportunity to kill the bastard that beats the hell out of you every day.

perfect time to slip out of the house and run away.  perfect time to time him to the bed and inflict your own abuse on him.  but perfect time for murder seems to make the most sense to you, right?

HCH3COO:

perfect time to slip out of the house and run away. perfect time to time him to the bed and inflict your own abuse on him. but perfect time for murder seems to make the most sense to you, right?

Naw, I doubt she would have lived to see the day he would let her walk away. She would be running for her life everyday of her life. I'm talking about dangerous men here.

HCH3COO:

perfect time to slip out of the house and run away.  perfect time to time him to the bed and inflict your own abuse on him.  but perfect time for murder seems to make the most sense to you, right?

You guys don't understand. That is why it is called ABUSE. when you abuse someone, you strip them of their dignity. You terminate their self esteem. You cease their self worth. So you think after being robbed of all this, you can just leave? Oi dey.

nubila:

Harmless while asleep but a ogre while awake. Perfect opportunity to kill the bastard that beats the hell out of you every day.

r u married

nubila:

Naw, I doubt she would have lived to see the day he would let her walk away. She would be running for her life everyday of her life. I'm talking about dangerous men here.

This is not Nigeria where women dont have any hope.

She could easily get a restraining order. They are plenty of things that can be done. Even mafia wives can escape.

nubila:

Naw, I doubt she would have lived to see the day he would let her walk away. She would be running for her life everyday of her life. I'm talking about dangerous men here.

Why do you doubt?  Have you read the whole story?  Do you understand the grounds of the abuse?  No, you just automatically defend her.  You just jump on the bandwagon like a criminal-minded husband killer, deciding murder is the only way to get out of the abuse.  There are authorities she could report to you know?  She could have slippeed out of the house while he was asleep to get help, or to report the case to the police, but no.

dreeldee:

r u married

Nope  

KarmaMod:

This is not Nigeria where women don't have any hope.

She could easily get a restraining order. They are plenty of things that can be done. Even mafia wives can escape.

And what makes you think that the mentality of men change depending on where you live. I don't care how many laws there are to protect people from abuse. IF they gona beat you, they gona beat you.

KarmaMod:

This is not Nigeria where women don't have any hope.

She could easily get a restraining order. They are plenty of things that can be done. Even mafia wives can escape.

It is not easy to get a restraining order an abusive person. I have seen women who have been beaten near death, most have to leave the state. But most can't because they don't have the money or because their abuser stripped them of their family and friends. And the only way you got of the mafia is through a body bag.

onyinye2:

You guys don't understand. That is why it is called ABUSE. when you abuse someone, you strip them of their dignity. You terminate their self esteem. You cease their self worth. So you think after being robbed of all this, you can just leave? Oi dey.

You can't leave?  You just lay there like a dead dog enjoying the punishment?  Use your senses.  Only a murderer would think death is the lone solution to an abusive relationship.  Sigh! Women are victims of their own minds.

nubila:

Nope

phew! thank baba

HCH3COO:

You can't leave?  You just lay there like a dead dog enjoying the punishment?  Use your senses.  Only a murderer would think death is the lone solution to an abusive relationship.  Sigh! Women are victims of their own minds.

Where will she go? Not her friends because her abuser stripped her of that. Not her family because he has pushed them away.

onyinye: You guys don't understand. That is why it is called ABUSE. when you abuse someone, you strip them of their dignity. You terminate their self esteem. You cease their self worth. So you think after being robbed of all this, you can just leave? Oi dey.

If everyone wanted to kill pple that abused them, do you know the world's population would be halved?

dreeldee:

phew! thank baba

You can say that again.  

onyinye2:

Where will she go? Not her friends because her abuser stripped her of that. Not her family because he has pushed them away.

Leaving is a better alternative than staying. If she was seriously mistreated her best option would be to flee and report to authorities like I said. Cops have those spousal abuse protection facilities you know. Put her on watch, etc. Don't pretend she has no options. She just didn't want to use them.

You two are just making up lame excuses. I'm the first person to talk against abuse and all but shooting in the sleep is garbage

If it was done while the abuse was happening fine, Im all for it. Infcat I'd probably be her lawyer but anyhing other than that is bullshit

and yes she could leave and as for pushing family away, so what? If she runs back to the family, I highly doubt they'd kick her out. If anything they will thank GOD that she finally woke up.

eldee:

If everyone wanted to kill people that abused them, do you know the world's population would be halved?

What im saying is that it is not easy to leave. Most live the rest of their lives with their tamer. Crying every night. Living a life on thin glass. No friends. No family. No nothing. If they are lucky to leave, he might find them.

HCH3COO:

Leaving is a better alternative than staying.  If she was seriously mistreated her best option would be to flee and report to authorities like I said.  Cops have those spousal abuse protection facilities you know.  Put her on watch, etc.  Don't pretend she has no options.  She just didn't want to use them.

Have you ever met a woman who was being abused? guess not.

The news doesn't even specify that the husband does actually beat her, it says she said she was battered by her husband, obviously she's lying, yet we turning this to a Battle of the Sexes topic.

nubila:

You can say that again.

**sighs** thank Baba

onyinye2:

Have you ever met a woman who was being abused? guess not.

Keep ignoring what I wrote.

no matter the provocation, no one has the right to kill another human. she is guilty.

WHY?

cos she did not act in self defence. the guy was asleep for christ sake. anyway the husband deserves what he got.

HCH3COO:

Keep ignoring what I wrote.

Didn't ignore. I answered.

onyinye2:

Didn't ignore. I answered.

How does my meeting with an abused justify the killing?

HCH3COO:

How does my meeting with an abused justify the killing?

That wasn't your question.

HCH3COO:

Leaving is a better alternative than staying. If she was seriously mistreated her best option would be to flee and report to authorities like I said. Cops have those spousal abuse protection facilities you know. Put her on watch, etc. Don't pretend she has no options. She just didn't want to use them.

This was your question and i answered it.

yea u answered with have i ever met a woman. but what does that have to do with . . . .
ur excuse is she's insane, right?

She should have kept his testicles as a trophy!

HCH3COO:

yea u answered with have i ever met a woman. but what does that have to do with . . . .
your excuse is she's insane, right?

Im not saying it is an excuse. It should be something that is tooken under consideration.