TheGoodJoe:


[b]There is a difference between training and playing with the first team. Nwakali Chidebere has been training with Man City first team but he has not played for the team.

George Evans was training with the first team but they have not played.

I made a mistake then, at 2007 Alaba was already with the Bayern young team and they trained with the first team although they are not part of the squad.

Same thing goes on with Barca.

Nigeria is not as developed as the Europeans. That is why the Europeans can pick up players from top clubs to play the U17 World Cup.

The Nigerian way is the best considering the situation of the country. How many grassroot football programs do we have that expose our young boys to top scout oversees?

The Europeans have a lot. So Alaba was bound to become a star. We can not drop a young boy in a village in Nigeria whose only hope to make something out of his life. For a boy based in Europe who has all the facility, equipments and scout watching him.

Coach Tella and Coach Manu Garba were 100% right in rejecting Alaba.

We use the U17 as a tool for grassroot development. It is a nice ideology and I stand by it.[/b]

TheGoodJoe:


Who is blaming Alaba? Let him enjoy his youngest Austrian title. No competition. He would not achieve that playing for us.

He has Austria, so good for him. I prefer those who only want to play for us. Many of them have gone like that. It did not stop us from producing the likes of Kanu, Akpoborie, Finidi, Oruma, Amunike, Celestine, Yekini, Enyeama etc.

More are coming and more will fly the Green white green flag high. He can rush and play for Russia. Abi, he is even their youngest captain. I hope he rakes an international medal with his rush.

I want those devoted to Nigeria. Not those with one eyes outside and if they do not call them, then they want us their second choice.

forgiveness:



He was selected to train with the first team in 2010. He never trained with the first team while in the Youth team until 2010. Chima Okoroji was also with the Bayern Munich 19 until January 2015. As you can see, he was unknown to Tella.

Are saying out under group is for chop I chop and not to discover talented players?

forgiveness:


Apart from National titles, he has won more titles with his club than any Nigerian.

TheGoodJoe:


Who is blaming Alaba? Let him enjoy his youngest Austrian title. No competition. He would not achieve that playing for us.

He has Austria, so good for him. I prefer those who only want to play for us. Many of them have gone like that. It did not stop us from producing the likes of Kanu, Akpoborie, Finidi, Oruma, Amunike, Celestine, Yekini, Enyeama etc.

More are coming and more will fly the Green white green flag high. He can rush and play for Russia. Abi, he is even their youngest captain. I hope he rakes an international medal with his rush.

I want those devoted to Nigeria. Not those with one eyes outside and if they do not call them, then they want us their second choice.

forgiveness:


Apart from National titles, he has won more titles with his club than any Nigerian.

One little lamp can lighten the whole house.

forgiveness:


We can't know until we look into them. Like you said 'some of those players' but what about the genius ones among them? Remember, some said the same thing when Alaba issue came up but where are the better ones that won the U17 2007 world Cup?

Remember, Celta de Vigo trashed Barcelona by 4 goals to 1. The margin should have been even more than that if not for the misfiring strikers. So, Messi, Neymar and Suarez are bad players?

forgiveness:


Apart from National titles, he has won more titles with his club than any Nigerian.

One little lamp can lighten the whole house.

TheGoodJoe:


Are you saying that we should play a foreign base player for grassroot development.

What part of grassroot development don't you understand. Are you saying you will be happy if we carry a foreign base under 17 team.

Grassroot development. That is what we use the U17 for. It is right and they should not change it. It, not only for discovering talents. Any foreign base player can fight for the U20 that is what Alaba should have done.

TheGoodJoe:


Are you saying that we should play a foreign base player for grassroot development.

What part of grassroot development don't you understand. Are you saying you will be happy if we carry a foreign base under 17 team.

Grassroot development. That is what we use the U17 for. It is right and they should not change it. It is not only for discovering talents. Any foreign base player can fight for the U20 that is what Alaba should have done.

Icon4s:


Ah! So Etebo is telling us if Bacelona , Real Madrid or an EPL team comes calling he will still stay with Warri wolves?
I am expecting to see a counter pronouncement on this issue tomorrow.

E just de make mouth na. Make better offer show face, make I see how im face go begin turn.

forgiveness:


Are foreign players no longer Nigerians?

Is that part of Nigeria Football Association Constitution and Nigeria's constitution or your own opinion?

forgiveness:


At first, you said Alaba was already an established star with Bayern Munich because he was already training with the first team, and therefore, he should not be called. But I said that you are wrong. Alaba was just like any other Nigerians (not all foreigners are living large as you thought) looking for ways to boost their career in order to make ends meet(as you earlier said).

You also said that the U17 is not meant for those doing well but suddenly you change the gear by saying it is not meant for foreigner players. I think there are inconsistencies in your argument.

TheGoodJoe:


But, if the light wants to light another house, we should not beg him. We are contented with what we have. If not you, I do not think Alaba. I am checking how Juwon Oshaniwa is doing at Hearts of Scotland. Thinking of Alaba is like wondering why Messi is not playing for us.

TheGoodJoe:


Are Nigerian foreign players, already in clubs your idea of grassroot development. At the time Alaba wanted to play for Nigeria, was he qualified to play for Nigeria as a grassroot player?

Coach Yemi Tella and Coach Manu Garba rejected Alaba because Nigeria uses the U17 to develop grassroot football of the country.

Were you had boys like Alampasu and Osimhen who were hawkers on the street, unknown in football, become big boys and National heroes.

TheGoodJoe:


[b]I though he was training with the first team of Bayern Munich as one of the Reserve youngster but he was not a reserve player of Bayern Munich until the next year, 2008 he joined Bayen Munich II.



Early career
Born in Vienna, Alaba began his career with SV Aspern, his local club in Aspern, in the 22nd district, Donaustadt, before joining the youth setup of FK Austria Wien at age 10. He rose through the ranks quickly, and in April 2008 he was named on the first-team substitutes' bench for a Bundesliga match.


This kind of player has what an average Nigerian Footballer would dream about. There was no way The Handlers of the U17 would take such a player to a tournament we use for grassroot development. It is not just Bayern Munich. He did not fit the grassroot criteria.

That was not enough for him to turn his back on Nigeria and run to play for Austria. That is all I am saying. He should have waited to join the team when they played the U20 World Cup. [/b]

TheGoodJoe:



We are not missing Alaba. He can win a thousand titles. The U17 handlers were right. We use the tournament for grassroot development.

We could not sacrifice that position for a boy playing in a German club. It beats the whole grassroot development ideology.

When Austria called him, did he think that he has a chance to play for Nigeria. No, he wants to play for Austria and he ran at the opportunity.

I truly wish him the best but I do not miss him.

And the same goes to any other foreign player who feels he is too big and we must dance to his tune. He can go and play for any other European country that wants him.

We are contended with our talents. Any foreign talent that wants to play for us must show dedication. Just like my brother Leon Balogun who called playing for us a dream. He was not thinking Germany but Nigeria.

forgiveness:


Which criteria?

Who wrote it?

Can you please show a portion of that criteria for the world to see?

If there's none then he is qualified to play for Nigeria.

Badosqi:
You are wrong joe. U17 & U20 are meant for discovering talents that can be groomed to form the foundation of the senior team. They are are grassroot development but our national team development. U17 and U20 is not a poverty alleviation or chop chop program to save the poor lads and poor families. We are talking about football here not some Aso rock national cake. Football is for all(poor or rich). According to ur point an U17 son of a senator which football talent should not come near our U17 team because he is not from the village. You be should be eligible to play for our U17 or U20 teams, once you have Nigerian blood flowing in you, the interest is there and whether you are in Japan or Mexico or Usa.


Funny how you twist everything about the Alaba saga. Alaba is not the villian here. The boy showed interest to represent our U17 team, our coaches blatantly rejected him. Austria gave him the opportunity to represent the Senior team at just age 17 and you expected him to reject the offer(to prove patriotism or wot?) . Why should he reject the offer when Nigeria have no interest. Austria is presently 10th on fifa ranking and they've also qualified for Euro 2016. One of the best teams in the qualifiers. Presently one of the best left backs in Europe and a strong force in the bayern team.. Alaba did nothing wrong in accepting Austrian offer.

Badosqi:
You are wrong joe. U17 & U20 are meant for discovering talents that can be groomed to form the foundation of the senior team. They are are grassroot development but our national team development. U17 and U20 is not a poverty alleviation or chop chop program to save the poor lads and poor families. We are talking about football here not some Aso rock national cake. Football is for all(poor or rich). According to ur point an U17 son of a senator which football talent should not come near our U17 team because he is not from the village. You be should be eligible to play for our U17 or U20 teams, once you have Nigerian blood flowing in you, the interest is there and whether you are in Japan or Mexico or Usa.


Funny how you twist everything about the Alaba saga. Alaba is not the villian here. The boy showed interest to represent our U17 team, our coaches blatantly rejected him. Austria gave him the opportunity to represent the Senior team at just age 17 and you expected him to reject the offer(to prove patriotism or wot?) . Why should he reject the offer when Nigeria have no interest. Austria is presently 10th on fifa ranking and they've also qualified for Euro 2016. One of the best teams in the qualifiers. Presently one of the best left backs in Europe and a strong force in the bayern team.. Alaba did nothing wrong in accepting Austrian offer.

TheGoodJoe:


Alaba himself said the Nigerian U17 handlers rejected him because we use the U17 to promote grassroot players. I am baffled that a human being can have a problem with Nigeria developing our grassroot players.

I mean, are you being serious at all? We are even complaining that we need more room to promote our grassroot players and you are here writing things I can not decipher what your problem is.

Are you saying we should have left our local talent to expose an already exposed player?

We beat German with promising German youngsters 4-1 in that competition.

Can you tell me what your problem is? Or is that you look down on Nigerian local talents?

Look at Ahmed Musa, he is one hundred percent Nigerian footballing system. He was a name here before he touched Europe.

forgiveness:


I am asking you again, please give me the right answers

Why do we go to the grass roots to source players?

Where did we source our players from?

Please answer this first then I will go to the next. Thanks

TheGoodJoe:


Maybe you are arguing because you do not understand the ideology. I can forgive you Mr forgiveness for that.

Let us use Coach Emmanuel Amunike's U17 winning team:

Amunike toured Nigeria, hosting games between local footballing academies in Nigeria. He selected his first set of players after this tour.

After we qualified for the World Cup, he held open camps in different areas of the country, giving local talents who did not have a chance to join academies to show case their talents.

After that, he had a team of Nigerian grassroot footballers. That is from the lowest level of our football. Complete amateurs.

He took them to the tournament and he won. Some would never have played football at that level in their life if not that the U17 is strictly for grassroot development.

TheGoodJoe:


Maybe you are arguing because you do not understand the ideology. I can forgive you Mr forgiveness for that.

Let is use Coach Emmanuel Amunike's U17 winning team for instance:

Amunike toured Nigeria, hosting games between local footballing academies in Nigeria. He selected his first set of players after this tour.

After we qualified for the World Cup, he held open camps in different areas of the country, giving local talents who did not have a chance to join academies to show case their talents.

After that, he had a team of Nigerian grassroot footballers. That is from the lowest level of our football. Complete amateurs.

He took them to the tournament and he won. Some would never have played football at that level in their life if not that the U17 is strictly for grassroot development.

BascoVanVeli:


They should change that. The team should be for the best u-17 Nigerian players. This same mindset lost us Alaba lets not repeat it again. There should be a fine line.

BascoVanVeli:


They should change that. The team should be for the best u-17 Nigerian players. This same mindset lost us Alaba lets not repeat it again. There should be a fine line.

forgiveness:


If you show me where ideology is written then I will hold my peace.

You mean Amunike still sourced his players from the same Academy(clubs) you lately condemned by saying and I quote 'is a player already in club you're idea of grassroots'. I am forgiveness and I have forgiven for that.

Why did Amunike have to go that low to source for players?

forgiveness:


Bros, abeg help me tell am.

There's nothing for them to change because such ideology doesn't exist in the first place. He must have framed it. Except, he is one of them.