₦airaland Forum

mach7:
At the first onset of puberty.

From age thirteen and upwards.

At that age, they can comprehend and relate to what you are saying.

sage:
You know states like California have had Armenian governors before right? Like throughout the 1980’s and they and the Armenian community were always called white?

Armenia sits close to where the Republic of Georgia is as a neighbor to the old Soviet Union

The original Caucasian’s are actually people like Georgians and Armenians not British or German

Look up the history of the word Caucasian

khiaa:
It doesn't matter she's Caucasoid, Armenian father very white Irish mother.

sage:
That’s some Nazi stuff right here

So by your logic Benjamin Netanyahu is not white either.

But Nigerians would classify Nethanyahu as white even though Nazi’s would say he is not white.

It doesn’t mean Nigerians are ignorant. Many who’re people like Mediterranean people are olive skinned and not pale skinned but are whites regardless

khiaa:
Kim is white.

Ihedinobi3:
Well, you could have said that without also calling me a name. Disingenuousness is an accusation. Prick isn't.

I stated my reason in my post. Those translations don't trump the KJV. They just used other words more relevant to our own time. The KJV was made in the 17th century. The English language has changed a bit now and some words are not always used in the same sense as before. That was why I pointed out to you that "evil" has more than one meaning. Even today it does, but in modern usage, it is more rarely used as broadly as it used to be.

In other words, I believe the KJV rendition as much as I believe the others. You just didn't understand it as you should have.

Funny thing about that is that you just claimed on this same thread that atheists know the Bible much better than Christians do. I didn't use Google to find those translations. I had them on my Bible app already and I already knew what that verse meant. A little respect for Christians in debate can save you a lot of embarrassment.

I'm not sure what the issue is here. You countered my argument with that verse and I was demonstrating to you that my argument accommodated it and you had misunderstood the verse. I'm not sure what the whole "better" business is. God causes calamity or evil or disaster in response to creature moral evil. I see nothing wrong with that. If God isn't just, the universe would be chaotic.

I pointed out facility in Hebrew as a way to say that you could have been just a bit more humble in your attitude to Bible issues. I'm not sure what the hypocrisy is. I use multiple translations and I rely on a professor of classics for help with original biblical languages in order to make sure that I get what the Bible is saying. You yourself clearly don't respect the Bible at all. So, what hypocrisy are you talking about?

sage:
That would be news to America

Kanye marrying her was seen as a black man marrying a white woman. Both Kim and her elder sister who are whites in America look less white than this lady
Also Spanish people are white too. Not sure why some people are confused about that

Also Nigerians who think people in Nigeria are ignorant on race are actually just as ignorant as them.

Armenians like the Kardashians are classified as white in America.

vickydevoka:
I can ask her if kim kardashian is white or not. Then u can tackle her very well.

She can also browse kim kardashian family on google for confirmation

banky222:
. No she is not . But in Naija level , she is white.

I visted US before I knew the difference.

Ihedinobi3:
Exactly what called for the insult right now? Is it a crime against you to disagree with you?

My Bible translation? I just gave you a bunch of other translations to show you that that is not the only way to translate the Hebrew there? I didn't offer any translation of my own. I haven't completed my training in biblical Hebrew or else I might have provided my own translation although I'm pretty sure it would not make you any happier.

As for translations coming after the KJV, I don't understand what you are quarreling about here. Are translations better because they came farther back in time or because they are simply made using better material, more complete knowledge, and better techniques? If it is a matter of time, then we should probably look for older translations than the KJV to get more accurate translations. But it is also interesting that while it seems to be a traditional atheistic position to reject the Bible because it is so old, you are preferring the KJV specifically because it is older. That doesn't seem to fit.

I'm not sure what "darkness" has to do with anything here. I told you that the word "evil" actually has more than one meaning, and I mentioned "calamity" in that same context. I didn't say anything about darkness. Three out of the four translations I gave you offer the word "calamity" too. One uses "disaster". None of them replaces "evil" with darkness.

I have never claimed anywhere that God only loves and is only ever merciful. You must mean somebody else. The God I worship, the One that the Bible speaks of is both merciful and just. He punishes moral evil and He forgives sinners. He doesn't do one and not the other, He does both. That is my discussion on this thread after all.

As for knowing Hebrew, I am studying it. It is part of my training in pastor-teaching.

ikevictor:
Most Nigerian women na liability. Even when they make money, their mentality is that you must foot the bills since you be “man”

Ndi ara!!

sage:
What features. Latino is not a look nor a “race”

seyz91:
then she be green or blue if not white

livingchrist:
Hello, have you tried to see the use of evil in other verses of the bible. It does not always mean moral wrong, it sometimes mean calamity or unpleasant situation for example in these two verses below, evil meant calamity, or undesirable situation.

Genesis 44:34
For how shall I go up to my father, and the lad be not with me? lest peradventure I see the evil that shall come on my father.

Judges 20:41
And when the men of Israel turned again, the men of Benjamin were amazed: for they saw that evil was come upon them.

BTW this is KJV

Ihedinobi3:
Sigh.

7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these.
Isaiah 45:7 (NASB)

7 I form light and create darkness;
I make well-being and create calamity;
I am the LORD, who does all these things.
Isaiah 45:7 (ESV)

7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7 (NIV)

7 I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the LORD, do all these things.’
Isaiah 45:7 (NKJV)

What I don't get is why you atheists like to fancy yourselves experts on biblical theology. I can't even understand what kind of reasoning leads to something like that. You almost certainly don't know Hebrew, and you certainly appear unaware of other translations that exist of this verse.

God is not responsible for the moral evil of His creatures. That verse is most certainly not teaching that He is. Each angel or human is responsible for his or her own choices.

What God is responsible for is His Judgment brought upon such evil. When God floods a whole universe, that is His doing. And He does it in order to punish the rebellion of a third of His angels. When He destroys a confederation of cities with burning sulfur falling from the sky, He does it to punish their homosexuality and aggression against believers among them. When He will destroy so many human beings with a variety of plagues to the point that human beings are scarcer than extremely precious metals, He will be doing it to punish the wickedness of a world under the rule of the Antichrist.

It is God Who creates all that "evil." Even so, it is the sins of His creatures that occasion such things, so it is still our responsibility that such things happen at all.

Nonetheless, believe whatever you want. It really isn't my business what you believe.

Khd95:
Na off-white abi

Babara1994:
Jealous black Nigerian girl

Ihedinobi3:
Hello.

It probably wasn't you with whom I discussed this, but it feels vaguely like it was.

Does the word, evil, always mean moral evil or can it also mean unpleasantness or calamity?

Ihedinobi3:
Hi there.

God created Satan pure knowing that he was going to rebel against Him anyway. He did that because God wanted a universe where there were creatures that consciously chose to love Him and be with Him eternally.

Satan is just the rallying point for those who don't want to love God or be with Him eternally.

The tree of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil existed for two reasons. One was to allow Adam and Eve have an opportunity to choose to rebel against God if they preferred that to being His friends and servants in the Garden of Eden. The second was to provide the same rebels with an expanded conscience so that they could recognize evil and good outside the Garden of Eden and away from God's direct tutelage.

God is therefore not responsible for all the evil that is happening. He allows it because He loves us. He lets us choose whether we will love Him back or rebel against Him. The bad things that happen as a result of creature sin give us an opportunity to learn of God's justice and also an opportunity to make our own choices.

This is why the Bible is about faith. It teaches us to trust God beyond what we see, feel, hear, or think. It tells us to listen to Him and hear His side of things so that we can better judge for ourselves what the right choice to make with respect to Him is. It may not be easy, but it really is the only way to get through this life in one piece.

stinjoe:
May God forgive you. Pray for the holy Spirit so as to aid you to look beyond what you see and easy understanding of God's words. Remember to give your life to Christ.

stinjoe:
When God created Lucifer, He created an eternal being. God did not create him to die or cease to exist, but to live forever. Ezekiel 28 tells how Lucifer was created perfect and then iniquity was found in him (see also Isaiah 14:12-15).

stinjoe:
Satan cannot die, killed or cease to exist, because God created him as an eternal being. Satan will live eternally in anguish separated from God.

Ikwerelastborn:
And if he connives to forge it?

deflover:
that injury isnt suppose to kill him
he bled to death as there was no treatment
that is the cause
i guess dem leave am for ground to bleed

Dcoy:
Plenty people don't understand how shoulder shot go lead to death.... there are veins and arteries which carries blood to and from the heart...
The shoulder is even worst because there is no way to stop blood flow pressure like if it was the leg or hand....

Ikwerelastborn:
Pray not to have a man with bad intentions against u who comes to defraud u for marriage. Just pray ,this advice won't be needed then

WoundedLamb:
I agree.

WoundedLamb:
Even on a thread where a man is clearly the evil one, you guys will still find a way to attack the lady. Not even a single word against the heartless man, you'd rather concentrated on the woman and call her names. Sexism is ugly.