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There can be first fruit if the holy spirit so wishes or according to his auction of the holy spirit

who's asking?
and why are you asking....? when that's what the bible said. check below pls

the bible said.....
Proverbs 3:9-10 - Honour the LORD with thy
substance, and with the first fruits of all thine
increase....

also...
Leviticus 23:10-14 - Speak unto the children
of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be
come into the land which I give unto you, and
shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall
bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest
unto the priest..

also...
Exodus 34:26 - The first of the first fruits of thy
land thou shalt bring unto the house of the
LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in
his mother's milk.

As Government is increasing the tax rate, churches are vexing and increasing their own tax rate

PastorKun:


Christians are not meant to pay first fruit today. The first fruit teaching in some churches today is derived from fraudulently twisting scriptures and mis applying it to christians. It's an act of pure fraud on the part of preachers who preach it and it should be condemned in it's entirety.

You are so wrong. Christian are meant to pay first fruits. Its biblical. Its not easy to pay but its the right thing to do. Please pay it.

If I pay my own whom will d pastors pay deres to abeg? Sch s resumin on monday ooooo pls remember dt... Election on feb, nt likely d govt pay wages oooo. Infact NO don't pay wetin sef.

Based on your argument, so no christian should study or read the old testament because they are born again abi?

Just do what you want to do. No body has your account detail except you. if you want to give please do so. if you do not want, it is your choice. there are other ways of giving eg volunteering in one of the group in church. it could be car park volunteering in church, ushering etc. it means u are giving your time. and that is very important. every thing must not be money. and he who sees in secret will reward you secretly.

Smurfette:
Yes

why yes?

clevvermind:
Is first fruits not an old testament practice under the law of moses? Are born again christians suppose to pay first fruits today? Did paul, peter, james etc collect first fruits offering or salary from their members? Why then are pastors collecting first fruits today? I need answers to this?

we have 2kind of christians.
1. For those who pay ththes and do not believed that Jesus Christ has paid all our debts: YES.
2. For those who believed that Christ Jesus has paid all our debts and is our first friuth: NO.
But give as a cheaful giver as the spirit God leads you. God bless you.

darepoju:
who's asking?
and why are you asking....? when that's what the bible said. check below pls

the bible said.....
Proverbs 3:9-10 - Honour the LORD with thy
substance, and with the first fruits of all thine
increase....

also...
Leviticus 23:10-14 - Speak unto the children
of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be
come into the land which I give unto you, and
shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall
bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest
unto the priest..

also...
Exodus 34:26 - The first of the first fruits of thy
land thou shalt bring unto the house of the
LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in
his mother's milk.

i want scriptures from the new testament.

Smurfette:
Yes, Proverbs 3:9, honour the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your Crops.

Am so much concerned about you! Why don't you hide your head before they begin to throw pebbles at you?
Check this link, I was almost
leeched!
www.nairaland.com/2071234/jews-not-tithe-today#29474210

clevvermind:
Is first fruits not an old testament practice under the law of moses? Are born again christians suppose to pay first fruits today? Did paul, peter, james etc collect first fruits offering or salary from their members? Why then are pastors collecting first fruits today? I need answers to this?

Your Problem is not issue understanding the first Fruit giving. Your Spiritual DNA has been altered my teachings of materialistic Pastors, so it is difficult for you to know what is right or what is wrong. Your Religious ideology is now rooted in what the Pastors says.

From your Post " Old testament Practice" it implies according to you " New testament" is for Born Again.

Dude, You need a New Church!

clevvermind:
Is first fruits not an old testament practice under the law of moses? Are born again christians suppose to pay first fruits today? Did paul, peter, james etc collect first fruits offering or salary from their members? Why then are pastors collecting first fruits today? I need answers to this?

My brother please let leave argumnt . If God prospers you to give more than first fruit or 10% give it nd if you dnt av d power to give it , pray to God to gv u more so dt u cn gv beta . Most pipu do take grace for granted concernin giving . If the new testatment do not gv 10% or first friut , dt does nt mean you shuld rob God by gvin little . You are expected to gv more than that .

If those under the law shuld gv 10% or first-fruit , what shuld we dt r under a beta grace shuld gv . Remember if you gv little u wil receiue little nd if you gv bounitfuly u wil reap bountifuly

no i think the best thing is to pay ur whole year salary to them. when your rent expires go and stay in church as spirit leads that way u are riteous and u are sure of heaven.

darepoju:
who's asking?
and why are you asking....? when that's what the bible said. check below pls

the bible said.....
Proverbs 3:9-10 - Honour the LORD with thy
substance, and with the first fruits of all thine
increase....

also...
Leviticus 23:10-14 - Speak unto the children
of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be
come into the land which I give unto you, and
shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall
bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest
unto the priest..

also...
Exodus 34:26 - The first of the first fruits of thy
land thou shalt bring unto the house of the
LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in
his mother's milk.

This is the end time and satan is not smiling, poised to take as many as possible! This OP is not an exception! Check this link

www.nairaland.com/2071234/jews-not-tithe-today#29474210

flipboss:
Well.... i wonder too. First fruit is an old testament concept. What new testament demands is offering, tithe and gift to ministers and it doesn't have to be monetary.

minus tithe pls! Where do you see the requirements for tithe in the new testament?

Smurfette:
Yes, Proverbs 3:9, honour the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your Crops.

i'm not a farmer. i dnt grow crops.

QuiverBox:


Your Problem is not issue understanding the first Fruit giving. Your Spiritual DNA has been altered my teachings of materialistic Pastors, so it is difficult for you to know what is right or what is wrong. Your Religious ideology is now rooted in what the Pastors says.

From your Post " Old testament Practice" it implies according to you " New testament" is for Born Again.

Dude, You need a New Church!

My sister I tire o! You need to check this link!
Thank God am still alive!
www.nairaland.com/2071234/jews-not-tithe-today#29474210

why do pastors accept tithes and offerings yet reject the laws of the old testaments?

thieves

Smurfette:
Yes, Proverbs 3:9, honour the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your Crops.

CROPS not earnings.

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Am so much concerned about you! Why don't you hide your head before they begin to throw pebbles at you?
Check this link, I was almost
leeched!
www.nairaland.com/2071234/jews-not-tithe-today#29474210[/quote
i have no reason to hide my head that is my opinion and what i believe everyone is entitled to his/her belief. Refusing to say what i believe cos someone else has a diff opinion is wrong.

PastorKun:


It is those you claim that christians should pay first fruit that should provide the scriptures and let's examine if it's rightly divided and really applicable to new testament christians.

The first fruits offering was an offering required by God of the Israelites.
Exodus 23:19a: "The best of the firstfruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God."
Leviticus 23:10: "'Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest."
Proverbs 3:9-10: "Honor the LORD with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce; then your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will be bursting with wine."

Mugus will continue to enrich lazy , scamming pastors/MOG until Jesus comes.

Danabu:


CROPS not earnings.

Because no banker, accountant, lawyer then! They were all farmers

Godside:


My brother please let leave argumnt . If God prospers you to give more than first fruit or 10% give it nd if you dnt av d power to give it , pray to God to gv u more so dt u cn gv beta . Most pipu do take grace for granted concernin giving . If the new testatment do not gv 10% or first friut , dt does nt mean you shuld rob God by gvin little . You are expected to gv more than that .

If those under the law shuld gv 10% or first-fruit , what shuld we dt r under a beta grace shuld gv . Remember if you gv little u wil receiue little nd if you gv bounitfuly u wil reap bountifuly

Moreover , Only Levite priests could collect tithes, and there are no Levite priests today . But the truth for me is that i dnt care who collect it , all am afta is dt God shuld bless me nd i shuld gv nd help d church nd the pipu . If the pastor like let dem steal it , na thr prmblm b dt

kingthreat:
The first fruits I was taught to pay is to give your entire first work salary as a tithe. Not the every year full salary tithing.

if you give your entire first month salary as a tithe then pay tithe every month won't that amount to double jeopardy?

study the scriptures very well and slowly. Try to know what first fruit offering is and how it is done. The Bible is written in black and white.

flipboss:
Well.... i wonder too. First fruit is an old testament concept. What new testament demands is offering, tithe and gift to ministers and it doesn't have to be monetary.

Thanks for this post, but please tell me where it is written in the new testament; we should pay tithes, I'd really appreciate it.

Someone will say 'I will give the first salary I make to God', another will say 'I will give to my parents', yet another will say 'I don't send anybody'.
The truth of it is that when you give to God or man, it should be out of the willingness of your heart. Otherwise, it is unacceptable.
You give o, you don't give o, you are still precious to God and He's working in us all till we come into the full knowledge of who Christ is. He doesn't force anyone's hands.
Search the Scriptures, if you are convinced to give, fine. If not, so be it.

[quote author=Smurfette post=29480687][/quote]
I was only trying to pass a message; and that was the accompanying link! Please do check it!

it's so funny that when it has to do with money Christians begin to query scriptures whether it's still relevant in today's world; if a native doctor places demand, people are quick to respond no matter the price you have to pay to get result not querying who eats the money or sacrifice.

Pay tithe - it's old testament
Pay first-fruit - it's old testament

Anything that demands that we release,we analyze and query but when it comes to us receiving..we don't query, we loudly receive with the highest AAAMMMEEEEEEEEENNNN!

we like it when it's convenient for us yet we forget that it takes casting your bread upon many waters to find it. there is he that withholds yet tends to poverty.

Tithing and the Law
The commandment to tithe was part of the Law that Jehovah God gave to the 12 tribes of ancient Israel more than 3,500 years ago. That Law decreed that a tenth of the produce of the land and fruit trees and a tenth of the increase of the herds be given to the tribe of Levi in support of their services at the tabernacle.—Leviticus 27:30, 32; Numbers 18:21, 24.
Jehovah assured the Israelites that the Law ‘would not be too difficult for them.’ (Deuteronomy 30:11) As long as they faithfully observed Jehovah’s commandments, including tithing, they had his promise of abundant harvests. And as a protection, an additional yearly tithe, normally consumed when the nation met for its religious festivities, was regularly set aside. Thus ‘the alien resident, the fatherless boy, and the widow’ could be satisfied.—Deuteronomy 14:28, 29; 28:1, 2, 11-14.
The Law did not specify a penalty for failing to tithe, but each Israelite was under a strong moral obligation to support true worship in this way. In fact, Jehovah accused Israelites who neglected tithing in Malachi’s day of ‘robbing him in tithes and offerings.’ (Malachi 3:8, New International Version) Could the same charge be leveled at Christians who do not tithe?
Well, consider. National laws are not normally valid outside a country’s borders. For example, the law that obliges motorists in Britain to drive on the left does not apply to drivers in France. Similarly, the law requiring tithing was part of an exclusive covenant between God and the nation of Israel. (Exodus 19:3-8; Psalm 147:19, 20) Only the Israelites were bound by that law.
In addition, although it is true that God never changes, his requirements sometimes do. (Malachi 3:6) The Bible states categorically that the sacrificial death of Jesus, in 33 C.E., “blotted out,” or “abolished,” the Law and with it the “commandment to collect tithes.”—Colossians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:13-15; Hebrews 7:5, 18.

Christian Giving
However, contributions to support true worship were still needed. Jesus had commissioned his disciples ‘to be witnesses to the most distant part of the earth.’ (Acts 1: As the number of believers grew, so did the need for Christian teachers and overseers to visit and strengthen the congregations. Widows, orphans, and other needy ones had to be cared for at times. How did the first-century Christians cover the costs involved?
About 55 C.E., an appeal went out to Gentile Christians in Europe and Asia Minor in behalf of the impoverished congregation in Judea. In his letters to the congregation in Corinth, the apostle Paul describes how this ‘collection for the holy ones’ was organized. (1 Corinthians 16:1) You may be surprised at what Paul’s words reveal about Christian giving.
The apostle Paul did not cajole fellow believers to give. In fact, Macedonian Christians who were “under affliction” and in “deep poverty” had to ‘keep begging him with much entreaty for the privilege of kindly giving and for a share in the ministry destined for the holy ones.’—2 Corinthians 8:1-4.
True, Paul encouraged the more affluent Corinthians to imitate their generous brothers in Macedonia. Even so, observes one reference work, he ‘declined to issue directives, preferring rather to request, suggest, encourage, or appeal. Spontaneity and warmth would be absent from the Corinthians’ giving if coercion were present.’ Paul knew that “God loves a cheerful giver,” not one who gives “grudgingly or under compulsion.”—2 Corinthians 9:7.
Abundant faith and knowledge together with genuine love for fellow Christians would have impelled the Corinthians to give spontaneously.—2 Corinthians 8:7, 8.
‘As He Has Resolved in His Own Heart’
Rather than specifying an amount or a percentage, Paul merely suggested that “on the first day of every week, each one . . . should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” (Italics ours; 1 Corinthians 16:2, NIV) By planning and reserving an amount on a regular basis, the Corinthians would not feel pressured into giving begrudgingly or on emotional impulse when Paul arrived. For each Christian, the decision of how much to give was to be a private matter, one that ‘he had resolved in his own heart.’—2 Corinthians 9:5, 7.
In order to reap generously, the Corinthians had to sow generously. No suggestion of giving until it hurts was ever made. ‘I do not mean for it to be hard on you,’ Paul assured them. Contributions were ‘especially acceptable according to what a person had, not according to what a person did not have.’ (2 Corinthians 8:12, 13; 9:6) In a later letter, the apostle warned: “If anyone does not provide for those . . . who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.” (1 Timothy 5: Paul did not encourage giving that violated this principle.
It is significant that Paul supervised a ‘collection for the holy ones’ who were in need. We do not read in the Scriptures about Paul or the other apostles organizing collections or receiving tithes to finance their own ministries. (Acts 3:6) Always grateful to receive the gifts that the congregations sent him, Paul conscientiously avoided imposing “an expensive burden” on his brothers.—1 Thessalonians 2:9; Philippians 4:15-18.

Christians are not under the Law covenant given to Israel. Thus, they are not obliged to give a set amount to God. However, in the true Christian congregation, giving is a source of much joy. Jesus Christ himself stated: “There is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving. - Acts 13:35.

darepoju:
who's asking?
and why are you asking....? when that's what the bible said. check below pls

the bible said.....
Proverbs 3:9-10 - Honour the LORD with thy
substance, and with the first fruits of all thine
increase....

also...
Leviticus 23:10-14 - Speak unto the children
of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be
come into the land which I give unto you, and
shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall
bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest
unto the priest..

also...
Exodus 34:26 - The first of the first fruits of thy
land thou shalt bring unto the house of the
LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in
his mother's milk.

Sir from scripture quoted, the Isrealite are to give first fruit b/c of d land given to them, they are to honour God with the substance uptain from the land. have u ask ur self why Daniel do not collect first fruit in BABYLON from the Children of Isreal?