MadCow1:



Abraham never paid tithe...

nannymcphee:


Deuteronomy22:11
11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Going by this, your clothes should either be 100% cotton or silk or polyester & not a mixture


Q2.If these laws aren't binding on a Christian, why do you think those verses on firstfruit is binding on a Christian(since all the instructions
Came from Moses)

Q2.Can you give an scriptural backing for paying if firstfruit from the New Testament?

nnwajiaku:
Tithing and the Law
The commandment to tithe was part of the Law that Jehovah God gave to the 12 tribes of ancient Israel more than 3,500 years ago. That Law decreed that a tenth of the produce of the land and fruit trees and a tenth of the increase of the herds be given to the tribe of Levi in support of their services at the tabernacle.—Leviticus 27:30, 32; Numbers 18:21, 24.
Jehovah assured the Israelites that the Law ‘would not be too difficult for them.’ (Deuteronomy 30:11) As long as they faithfully observed Jehovah’s commandments, including tithing, they had his promise of abundant harvests. And as a protection, an additional yearly tithe, normally consumed when the nation met for its religious festivities, was regularly set aside. Thus ‘the alien resident, the fatherless boy, and the widow’ could be satisfied.—Deuteronomy 14:28, 29; 28:1, 2, 11-14.
The Law did not specify a penalty for failing to tithe, but each Israelite was under a strong moral obligation to support true worship in this way. In fact, Jehovah accused Israelites who neglected tithing in Malachi’s day of ‘robbing him in tithes and offerings.’ (Malachi 3:8, New International Version) Could the same charge be leveled at Christians who do not tithe?
Well, consider. National laws are not normally valid outside a country’s borders. For example, the law that obliges motorists in Britain to drive on the left does not apply to drivers in France. Similarly, the law requiring tithing was part of an exclusive covenant between God and the nation of Israel. (Exodus 19:3-8; Psalm 147:19, 20) Only the Israelites were bound by that law.
In addition, although it is true that God never changes, his requirements sometimes do. (Malachi 3:6) The Bible states categorically that the sacrificial death of Jesus, in 33 C.E., “blotted out,” or “abolished,” the Law and with it the “commandment to collect tithes.”—Colossians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:13-15; Hebrews 7:5, 18.

Christian Giving
However, contributions to support true worship were still needed. Jesus had commissioned his disciples ‘to be witnesses to the most distant part of the earth.’ (Acts 1: As the number of believers grew, so did the need for Christian teachers and overseers to visit and strengthen the congregations. Widows, orphans, and other needy ones had to be cared for at times. How did the first-century Christians cover the costs involved?
About 55 C.E., an appeal went out to Gentile Christians in Europe and Asia Minor in behalf of the impoverished congregation in Judea. In his letters to the congregation in Corinth, the apostle Paul describes how this ‘collection for the holy ones’ was organized. (1 Corinthians 16:1) You may be surprised at what Paul’s words reveal about Christian giving.
The apostle Paul did not cajole fellow believers to give. In fact, Macedonian Christians who were “under affliction” and in “deep poverty” had to ‘keep begging him with much entreaty for the privilege of kindly giving and for a share in the ministry destined for the holy ones.’—2 Corinthians 8:1-4.
True, Paul encouraged the more affluent Corinthians to imitate their generous brothers in Macedonia. Even so, observes one reference work, he ‘declined to issue directives, preferring rather to request, suggest, encourage, or appeal. Spontaneity and warmth would be absent from the Corinthians’ giving if coercion were present.’ Paul knew that “God loves a cheerful giver,” not one who gives “grudgingly or under compulsion.”—2 Corinthians 9:7.
Abundant faith and knowledge together with genuine love for fellow Christians would have impelled the Corinthians to give spontaneously.—2 Corinthians 8:7, 8.
‘As He Has Resolved in His Own Heart’
Rather than specifying an amount or a percentage, Paul merely suggested that “on the first day of every week, each one . . . should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” (Italics ours; 1 Corinthians 16:2, NIV) By planning and reserving an amount on a regular basis, the Corinthians would not feel pressured into giving begrudgingly or on emotional impulse when Paul arrived. For each Christian, the decision of how much to give was to be a private matter, one that ‘he had resolved in his own heart.’—2 Corinthians 9:5, 7.
In order to reap generously, the Corinthians had to sow generously. No suggestion of giving until it hurts was ever made. ‘I do not mean for it to be hard on you,’ Paul assured them. Contributions were ‘especially acceptable according to what a person had, not according to what a person did not have.’ (2 Corinthians 8:12, 13; 9:6) In a later letter, the apostle warned: “If anyone does not provide for those . . . who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.” (1 Timothy 5: Paul did not encourage giving that violated this principle.
It is significant that Paul supervised a ‘collection for the holy ones’ who were in need. We do not read in the Scriptures about Paul or the other apostles organizing collections or receiving tithes to finance their own ministries. (Acts 3:6) Always grateful to receive the gifts that the congregations sent him, Paul conscientiously avoided imposing “an expensive burden” on his brothers.—1 Thessalonians 2:9; Philippians 4:15-18.

Christians are not under the Law covenant given to Israel. Thus, they are not obliged to give a set amount to God. However, in the true Christian congregation, giving is a source of much joy. Jesus Christ himself stated: “There is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving. - Acts 13:35.

Godside:


My brother please let leave argumnt . If God prospers you to give more than first fruit or 10% give it nd if you dnt av d power to give it , pray to God to gv u more so dt u cn gv beta . Most pipu do take grace for granted concernin giving . If the new testatment do not gv 10% or first friut , dt does nt mean you shuld rob God by gvin little . You are expected to gv more than that .

who do you give to? Churches that have business empires like schools etc.? Mind you, the Levites who received them never worked nor had any means of livelihood.God was their inheritance. Can that be said of our modern day preachers? Figure it out

If those under the law shuld gv 10% or first-fruit , what shuld we dt r under a beta grace shuld gv . Remember if you gv little u wil receiue little nd if you gv bounitfuly u wil reap bountifuly

bolliejay:

The first fruits offering was an offering required by God of the Israelites.
Exodus 23:19a: "The best of the firstfruits of your ground you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God."
Leviticus 23:10: "'Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest."
Proverbs 3:9-10: "Honor the LORD with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce; then your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will be bursting with wine."

doug:


You are so wrong. Christian are meant to pay first fruits. Its biblical. Its not easy to pay but its the right thing to do. Please pay it.

bolliejay:

Because no banker, accountant, lawyer then! They were all farmers

samuelezekiel:
Is thou shall not kill not from the law of moses? silly question, u better pay ur first fruit, but to be since its not easy...but if u do y will see the reward

Dammyjohn:

Here is the meaning.Let's say there is something you do collect consecutively such as money,crops or any gift,you must give the first one out to someone GOD direct you to in a way that shows you respect GOD.Please,make sure you read(Proverbs 3:9-11)to crown it all.

clevvermind:

thank u. when u give me an answer, i would know. u have not given me a verse from the new testament so far in support of first fruits. until u do that, i would not answer u again. that is what i'm asking, so provide me with a verse now.

darepoju:
who's asking?
and why are you asking....? when that's what the bible said. check below pls

the bible said.....
Proverbs 3:9-10 - Honour the LORD with thy
substance, and with the first fruits of all thine
increase....

also...
Leviticus 23:10-14 - Speak unto the children
of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be
come into the land which I give unto you, and
shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall
bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest
unto the priest..

also...
Exodus 34:26 - The first of the first fruits of thy
land thou shalt bring unto the house of the
LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in
his mother's milk.

samuelezekiel:
Is thou shall not kill not from the law of moses? silly question, u better pay ur first fruit, but to be since its not easy...but if u do y will see the reward

darepoju:
who's asking?
and why are you asking....? when that's what the bible said. check below pls

the bible said.....
Proverbs 3:9-10 - Honour the LORD with thy
substance, and with the first fruits of all thine
increase....

also...
Leviticus 23:10-14 - Speak unto the children
of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be
come into the land which I give unto you, and
shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall
bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest
unto the priest..

also...
Exodus 34:26 - The first of the first fruits of thy
land thou shalt bring unto the house of the
LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in
his mother's milk.

Lets assume we drop our "FIRST FRUIT" is there Second fruit and third fruit and so on, i mean like every year as the MOG says? Already am so broke and i dunno how am going to cope for the rest of the Month, now if i now finally suffer my way out of this month, so you want me to now go and drop ALL the salary for one Pastor? How am i going to cope throughout the month of February again

You guys just enjoy people living in penury

Goshen360:
The law and every ordinances (the tabernacle, tithe & first fruit inclusive) commanded are not the mind of God but a shadow of Christ & His finished works for the new covenant of which Christ is a Mediator.

New International Version
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Hebrews 10:1

So, first fruit? Christ already fulfilled the first fruit as a foreshadow. He had given the perfect first fruit offering unto God for believers. This is 2015, those who want to allow themselves to be defrauded can continue and those who want continue in the liberty wherein Christ has made us free, we continue.

King James Bible
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1 Corinthians 15:23

Horlufemi:


1. talking about harvest
2. still talking about harvest. the first harvest in the land of Canaan
3. still taking about harvest

I should become a pastor. People can be gullible.

clevvermind:
Is first fruits not an old testament practice under the law of moses? Are born again christians suppose to pay first fruits today? Did paul, peter, james etc collect first fruits offering or salary from their members? Why then are pastors collecting first fruits today? I need answers to this?

ShakurM:
bless! Is it like tithe?

nannymcphee:



Let me add this

Galatians 3
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But AFTER that faith is come, we are NO longer UNDER a schoolmaster(which is the law)


It's written in black & white, we are no longer under the LAW

Dammyjohn:

It is totally different from tithe.Tithe is 10% of your monthly income which you receive month by month while firstfruit is the first of all in a year.In other words,tithe is 10% part of your monthly salary and firstfruit is first salary,gift,crop etc you get in one year and which you must do every year.

sexyseun:
Lets assume we drop our "FIRST FRUIT" is there Second fruit and third fruit and so on, i mean like every year as the MOG says? Already am so broke and i dunno how am going to cope for the rest of the Month, now if i now finally suffer my way out of this month, so you want me to now go and drop ALL the salary for one Pastor? How am i going to cope throughout the month of February again

You guys just enjoy people living in penury

God2man:
Normally, they won't mention the church ,

old recycled thread.

God2man.

flipboss:

Matt 23:23; Luke 11:42... Jesus talked about not leaving 'a-tenth' (which is also called tithe) unpaid.