safarigirl:
This topic came up because I was having a discussion with my room mates and I told them simply that anyone who thinks she's ready to have sex, should equally be ready for the consequences.

Then they said that it isn't really a girl's fault if she sleeps with a guy who 'deceives' her into thinking he's genuine thereby getting pregnant.

Now, there I fully disagree. Isn't it always easier to blame the guy for impregnating you? "Oh, he told me he loves me and that's why I slept with him"....um, if I want something from someone, of course I'll say all the right things. Or, when you wan collect money from the guy, shey you sef no dey abuse the 'L' word?

Any girl sleeping with a dude because he 'professed his 'undying love' is either a 12-year old or re-tarded.

The next thing they said is "It takes the grace of God to overcome temptation"...leave it to black people to pull God into their mess. When you put yourself in a risky situation, prepare for risks. If you decide to go to a man's house- a virile man's house alone, be ready for certain things that could arise. This isn't about just the grace of God, this is about being smart and cautious.

Unless in rape cases and those involving minors, there is no sort of sexual relationship between a man and woman that is non-consensual. You were of sane mind when he touched you, kissed and fondled, comot cloth, comot undies and finished project, so why make excuses?

One was even askinng me that so if I had a bf I wouldn't sleep with him. And I replied that it's only in this century that sleeping with a man just because he's courting you is viewed as perfectly normal. That view is what made me realise that the world has been taken over by madness the likes of which TB Joshua cannot cure.

I have made a personal decision not to involve myself in fornication and I have been pro-active about it by ensuring that I stay away from 'dangerous' situations. I have tons of male friends some of whom have expressed their interests and have been turned down, if I must meet them, we meet in public places. I do not subscribe to meeting males in private, staying out late with guys who I know little of or generally being in uncomfortable situations. Of course I sometimes come off as a shrewd or frigid, but you have to take some things, better that than ashawo or public toilet

If you have made a decision to be sexually active, then don't make excuses for it. Don't present yourself as a victim of the 'superior male intellect'. I dey kpansh, I dey kpansh, dem no fit kill pesin ontop that one. Call 10 litres of petrol what it is, don't present 10 litres as 15 litres or say "it's supposed to be 10 litres, but the attendant cheated me"

Be who you are and stand for something.

Thank you

haibe:
I will pretend you know what you are saying by acting non-religious to the extent of not acknowledging divine laws..

So if Fornication is stated as an offence in Nigeria, would you acknowledge it as an inmoral act?

Do you see homosexuality as immoral,?

And to think you have contradicted yourself again by telling us what is immoral and what is not *Stating we should abide by man made laws*; after ignorantly telling ravgach who he is to telk us what is moral and immoral

freecocoa:
Please do well to think for a minute, slow your row, it's not a competition, neither is it about who is right or wrong but about realising that, there are certain things you don't impose your beliefs on people.

I have not in any way contradicted myself, fornication can never be an offense in Nigeria, not in this lifetime, n so, it will be a waste of energy talking about such but I'll indulge you anyways, if it happens to be a law, then I have to abide by it.

I don't have an issue with homosexuality that doesn't mean I won't go to jail if I practice it and get caught.

As regards the dude you mentioned, that post of mine was merely asking him how he defines what is immoral?

Are down to names calling already?

haibe:


Where is the name calling ?

If u say we are to abide by man made laws only, aren't you now telling us how we define what is moral or immoral? You see why I said u are contradicting,?

Please answer questions plainly, do you see homosexuality as immoral only because it was just enacted as an offence just about 2 years ago,?

Fornication can never be an offence? .. Just pray we don't end up with the same fate as Turkey some few years back. Am sure they would have people like you back then saying this until reality dawned on them

Fornication an offence?

Offence to who?

naijaboiy:

Fornication an offence?

Offence to who?

haibe:
wait and let Nigeria be islamized, then we shall see whether its an offence or not.. am talking basically on that ladies perspective so u may not understand me. . So forget it.

Even if Nigeria is islamised and it is made law then that Law is strictly obnoxious and repugnant to natural justice and human right.

Fornication is never an offence or a crime. Call it immoral,,no problem but it is never an offence.

Offence to who?

naijaboiy:

Even if Nigeria is islamised and it is made law then that Law is strictly obnoxious and repugnant to natural justice and human right.

Fornication is never an offence or a crime. Call it immoral,,no problem but it is never an offence.

Offence to who?

safarigirl:
I never said having sex was bad, it just shouldn't be justified. I said people should stop making excuses for it. If you read the last part of my write-up, you'd see where I said that.

haibe:

then we agree. I don't see it as an offence too but immoral.

thats why I said u may not understand my perspective of that argument with her

safarigirl:
This topic came up because I was having a discussion with my room mates and I told them simply that anyone who thinks she's ready to have sex, should equally be ready for the consequences.

Then they said that it isn't really a girl's fault if she sleeps with a guy who 'deceives' her into thinking he's genuine thereby getting pregnant.

Now, there I fully disagree. Isn't it always easier to blame the guy for impregnating you? "Oh, he told me he loves me and that's why I slept with him"....um, if I want something from someone, of course I'll say all the right things. Or, when you wan collect money from the guy, shey you sef no dey abuse the 'L' word?

Any girl sleeping with a dude because he 'professed his 'undying love' is either a 12-year old or re-tarded.

The next thing they said is "It takes the grace of God to overcome temptation"...leave it to black people to pull God into their mess. When you put yourself in a risky situation, prepare for risks. If you decide to go to a man's house- a virile man's house alone, be ready for certain things that could arise. This isn't about just the grace of God, this is about being smart and cautious.

Unless in rape cases and those involving minors, there is no sort of sexual relationship between a man and woman that is non-consensual. You were of sane mind when he touched you, kissed and fondled, comot cloth, comot undies and finished project, so why make excuses?

One was even askinng me that so if I had a bf I wouldn't sleep with him. And I replied that it's only in this century that sleeping with a man just because he's courting you is viewed as perfectly normal. That view is what made me realise that the world has been taken over by madness the likes of which TB Joshua cannot cure.

I have made a personal decision not to involve myself in fornication and I have been pro-active about it by ensuring that I stay away from 'dangerous' situations. I have tons of male friends some of whom have expressed their interests and have been turned down, if I must meet them, we meet in public places. I do not subscribe to meeting males in private, staying out late with guys who I know little of or generally being in uncomfortable situations. Of course I sometimes come off as a shrewd or frigid, but you have to take some things, better that than ashawo or public toilet

If you have made a decision to be sexually active, then don't make excuses for it. Don't present yourself as a victim of the 'superior male intellect'. I dey kpansh, I dey kpansh, dem no fit kill pesin ontop that one. Call 10 litres of petrol what it is, don't present 10 litres as 15 litres or say "it's supposed to be 10 litres, but the attendant cheated me"

Be who you are and stand for something.

Thank you

winner01:
im dissapointed at ur reply, guys like this intimidate u into falling for their pranks....sex b4 marriage is not good......the world is polluted...neglect those who think otherwise else ull find urself on that train soon.

haibe:


Where is the name calling ?

If u say we are to abide by man made laws only, aren't you now telling us how we define what is moral or immoral? You see why I said u are contradicting,?

Please answer questions plainly, do you see homosexuality as immoral only because it was just enacted as an offence just about 2 years ago,?

Fornication can never be an offence? .. Just pray we don't end up with the same fate as Turkey some few years back. Am sure they would have people like you back then saying this until reality dawned on them

joseph1832:
If that fire truly burns then I'll ask why didn't it burn your parents?.


No insult Intended!.

winner01:
im dissapointed at ur reply, guys like this intimidate u into falling for their pranks....sex b4 marriage is not good......the world is polluted...neglect those who think otherwise else ull find urself on that train soon.

naijaboiy:

Why not allow everybody live their life the way they deem it fit to?

scentmarlc:
and you are A pope or angel gabriel. Abeg leave the girl alone. Its people like you that have presented themselves above heavenly angels that lives a double life. Be real, be principled, and above all, be human.

freecocoa:
You called me ignorant.

Okay, maybe I didn't word my phrase right, It was never my intent to opine that, whatever the law recognises as immoral must be deemed immoral by all, I rather meant that, whatever is lawful must be obeyed and remember that this discourse about laws being immoral, stems from your 'weird' analogy of a thief.

I was just saying that, a thief is considered a thief by all and everyone agrees with that, therefore, we all see it as immoral, even a thief won't be proud to say he's a thief because he will be a pariah.

I never said I see homosexualism as immoral, if I remember correctly, I said I have no issue with it.

Do you see the flaw in the comparison? Not everyone agrees that gay is immoral but, the world over, thievery is a grievous crime.

How can you compare Nigeria to Turkey? Now c'mon.

haibe:
but explain this part oo.. am not justifying forn sha

preetyb:




What i am saying is most youth and teenagers of now justify fornication by saying they were made to always respond to sexual urge when ever they feel it else God wont have created them to start having sexual urge at their teen and youthful age without being married first.

In other words they are saying fornication is not a sin.

joseph1832:
True that bro!. Lemme even ask the OP safarigirl, are you a virgin?. If you are then how come you condemn something you've not experienced first hand and if you aren't how come you chastise those who engage in sexual intercourse?.

freecocoa:
It's not a one size fits all thing, you can't impose your definition of what is immoral on people. Morality is subjective.

winner01:
im dissapointed at ur reply, guys like this intimidate u into falling for their pranks....sex b4 marriage is not good......the world is polluted...neglect those who think otherwise else ull find urself on that train soon.

haibe:


If I get you right, you are saying you can only be moral or immoral based on what a man made law says?

You don't see homosexuality as immoral but the Nigerian law condemns it outrightly with a 14 years imprisonment? Sorry but am yet to understand your point as it is not consistent.

I was Comparing Nigeria to turkey as per you saying fornication can never be an offence. .Go to islamic countries and fornicate openly okay?

A thief's act is not seen as a wrong act by all, even though it is an immoral act. I gave you the analogy of a thief because it was infact very common with my roomates in school back then. They do not see their yahoo yahoo 419 scam to the white man as stealing because the white man stole from us years back? Now does this mean stealing isnt immoral? That was my point which is very easy to conprehend.

freecocoa:
Seriously, I'd like to continue the discourse but I can't, if you say that stealing isn't considered wrong by all. Like seriously? Now it's down to some people only stealing from whites? Does stealing have categories now?some accepted and some not? Are we really having this conversation?

Can those your yahoo friend boldly tell that anyone in a sane country?(even as mad a Nigerian is, I dare your friends to go say it on TV/Radio).

freecocoa:

Can a gay person go on TV anywhere in the world and say they are proud to be gay?

safarigirl:
i'm not trying to make anyone feel good about my post, i'm trying to make people be realiistic so forgive me if my reply is disappointing.

Everyone has a right to do whatever, on judgment day it will be just you and God. Then we will all account for our actions

haibe:
ok..but we still have as per this subject, maybe not now sha