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Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Outstrip(f): 10:36pm On Feb 27, 2009
Correction. Most Nigerian men abroad are not married to white women and those that chose to good for them. Nothing wrong with that. My sister is not married to a Nigerian though he is black. My husband was the first nigerian  I dated. So please I hope you marry a non nigerian. I am happy that more and more nigerian women are not limiting themselves to just nigerian men. If you do not like our attitude then there are so many other types of women to pick from. Y'all make me sick. There's a nigerian man I know married to a white woman and she calls him nigger and all sorts of names but he stays there because of papers. What a loser. I bet if it was a nigerian woman telling him "nigger did you put gas in my car" he will beat her black and blue. Paper or not.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Fhemmmy: 10:40pm On Feb 27, 2009
Outstrip:

Correction. Most Nigerian men abroad are not married to white women and those that chose to good for them. Nothing wrong with that. My sister is not married to a Nigerian though he is black. My husband was the first nigerian  I dated. So please I hope you marry a non nigerian. I am happy that more and more nigerian women are not limiting themselves to just nigerian men. If you do not like our attitude then there are so many other types of women to pick from. Y'all make me sick. There's a nigerian man I know married to a white woman and she calls him nigger and all sorts of names but he stays there because of papers. What a loser. I bet if it was a nigerian woman telling him "nigger did you put gas in my car" he will beat her black and blue. Paper or not.

That is one thing that makes me sick, however, even a white man married to black woman out of the white man's land, say, they both reside somewhere in African, the white man will so careful and treat the woman better than he might have otherwise.
It is sad, but i think it is time that people treat each other right, the golden rule is so important - treat others like you wanna be treated.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by mustafar1: 10:41pm On Feb 27, 2009
Outstrip:

Correction. Most Nigerian men abroad are not married to white women and those that chose to good for them. Nothing wrong with that. My sister is not married to a Nigerian though he is black. My husband was the first nigerian  I dated. So please I hope you marry a non nigerian. I am happy that more and more nigerian women are not limiting themselves to just nigerian men. If you do not like our attitude then there are so many other types of women to pick from. Y'all make me sick. There's a nigerian man I know married to a white woman and she calls him nigger and all sorts of names but he stays there because of papers. What a loser. I bet if it was a nigerian woman telling him "nigger did you put gas in my car" he will beat her black and blue. Paper or not.

outstrip you are allowing urself get drawn into the wrong corner.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by larez(m): 10:59pm On Feb 27, 2009
This issue once again confirms the primitive mindset of most Nigerians. We are always quick to claim being civilized, but we hardly understand the concept. Maybe we need to define what this is, however, I will leave you guys to check with webster.com. We have many people here who think that having the right to own weapons is synonymous to having the right to kill. This is an oxymoron and full of misconceptions.

In life, there is the legal system as well as natural law. Natural law is based more on the logic of survival. The mindset of the average Nigerian promotes bullying and oppression. We are yet to understand some basic laws of Kharma which is claimed to be universal. Many people here probably have slapped their drivers, or housegirls/houseboys. This is because they believe that they have the power. Nigerians get power drunk easily because there tends to be a lack of balance in the society. I am convinced based on statements made here that there is a fear of equality especially by the Elitist Nigerians.

Most people here probably fall under the category of Elitist Nigerians who happen to be the biggest oppressors in Nigeria. It is not surprising that there is a big fear of everyman being able to command the same respect by owning a gun. We are afraid of being stripped of our powers to subjugate and oppress. We have to learn that basic respect of every individual is required for the growth of a country. We need to understand that a society that lacks a significant amount of "middle class" is a society destined for a revolution.

Not every man will choose to be armed. However, each man will have the peace of mind of knowing that he will get respect as a default, since the oppressors are aware that he might have the capability to protect himself and exercise his right under natural law.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Outstrip(f): 11:00pm On Feb 27, 2009
must_a_far:

outstrip you are allowing urself get drawn into the wrong corner.  

I am not being drawn anywhere. I am going exactly where I want to go with it.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Outstrip(f): 11:14pm On Feb 27, 2009
Thanks Larez. Nigeria is just not ready. Our mentality has to change. Our way of reasoning has to change. The way we treat each other has to change. Thanks for taking the time to break it down cause I sure was not.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by larez(m): 11:15pm On Feb 27, 2009
Outstrip:

I am not being drawn anywhere. I am going exactly where I want to go with it.

Outstrip, I think Becomerich has made some points here. Until recently, I had lived in the United States for over 26 years, and in a way, was very distant from the Nigerian culture. Since being back in Nigeria, I have not been impressed much by Nigerian women. They seem to exhibit savagery to some extent. many are money hungry grubbing gold diggers who may be capable of marrying men just to become widows and rich with his wealth. How do you explain mothers who allow their daughters to prostitute as long as they bring cash back.

how do you explain certain parts of Nigeria that are known to be exporters of prostitutes to Europe. I am sure that you have heard Nigerian women describe some guys as Mugu/Maga. Is this not how they regard the ones who are nice to them? It is a pity, but I must agree with Becomerich that most Nigerian women are abusive. Mentally abusive that is. They act like Neanderthals who believe that they must either be abused or be abusive.

I have decided personally that the only woman I could marry now will be a descendant of Vikings. They are known to be the most loyal (fiercely loyal) women alive today. This may be because in their cultural history, wives were buried (Set on fire on a drifting boat) with their dead husbands.

In Nigeria, you find out that many of the so-called born again girls running around in Churches are recently retired ex-runsgirls who are now deperately seeking husbands.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Nobody: 11:22pm On Feb 27, 2009
larez:

This issue once again confirms the primitive mindset of most Nigerians. We are always quick to claim being civilized, but we hardly understand the concept. Maybe we need to define what this is, however, I will leave you guys to check with webster.com. We have many people here who think that having the right to own weapons is synonymous to having the right to kill. This is an oxymoron and full of misconceptions.

In life, there is the legal system as well as natural law. Natural law is based more on the logic of survival. The mindset of the average Nigerian promotes bullying and oppression. We are yet to understand some basic laws of Kharma which is claimed to be universal. Many people here probably have slapped their drivers, or housegirls/houseboys. This is because they believe that they have the power. Nigerians get power drunk easily because there tends to be a lack of balance in the society. I am convinced based on statements made here that there is a fear of equality especially by the Elitist Nigerians.

Most people here probably fall under the category of Elitist Nigerians who happen to be the biggest oppressors in Nigeria. It is not surprising that there is a big fear of everyman being able to command the same respect by owning a gun. We are afraid of being stripped of our powers to subjugate and oppress. We have to learn that basic respect of every individual is required for the growth of a country. We need to understand that a society that lacks a significant amount of "middle class" is a society destined for a revolution.

Not every man will choose to be armed. However, each man will have the peace of mind of knowing that he will get respect as a default, since the oppressors are aware that he might have the capability to protect himself and exercise his right under natural law.

Larez, you got it WRONG. gun possession will simply become yet another tool(big cars police escorts) for the elites to use to oppress the rest of us. who do you think will be the first to get licencses? do you think those drivers etal will be able to afford to buy handguns( well maybe that where our er ibo brothers come in - i can already see the er bend down select firearms market, plus the brand new 'china' .45s etal)

what we are likely to see from the poor etal is violent resolutions to disputes. my neighbour refuses to turn off his 'i pass my neighbour at 1 am, i go out and shoot him. my wife suspects me of cheating - to hell with hysterics, shoot the asshole! and so on and so forth. . .
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by larez(m): 11:28pm On Feb 27, 2009
Outstrip:

Thanks Larez. Nigeria is just not ready. Our mentality has to change. Our way of reasoning has to change. The way we treat each other has to change. Thanks for taking the time to break it down cause I sure was not.

Outstrip, I think you missed my point entirely. I am for the rights to bear arms. Nigeria will never be ready until there is a radical change. This radical change comes with the individual right to self protection/preservation. Both our government and our people lack respect for individual rights. Let's look at Yemen for example, which is an extreme case. People own and walk around with Uzzis. However, there are rarely break-ins or oppression in Yemen. This is because of the fact that anyone who chooses to attack another knows that his own life may be at stake as well. The power of deterrence spurs respect. The Yemenese government negotiates with tribal factions rather than attempt to bully their way through because it might be costly to their military as well.

There is no deterrence factor in Nigeria. And this is why we have Godfatherism. One man is capable of oppressing a whole society with no consequences. Look at Adedibu. If Nigeria allows it's citizens (Citizens should demand and not wait to be allowed) to protect themselves, then there will be less oppressive forces, looting, and disrespect for the common man.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Outstrip(f): 11:39pm On Feb 27, 2009
So you say nigerians have no respect for the rights of other individuals but lets arm them all with guns and that will fix that problem? I totally misunderstood you because I just do not see how both lines of reasoning could merge into one.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by larez(m): 11:41pm On Feb 27, 2009
oyb:

Larez, you got it WRONG. gun possession will simply become yet another tool(big cars police escorts)  for the elites to use to oppress the rest of us. who do you think will be the first to get licencses? do you think those drivers etal will be able to afford to buy handguns( well maybe that where our er  ibo brothers come in - i can already see the er bend down select firearms market, plus the brand new 'china' .45s etal)

what we are likely to see from the poor etal is violent resolutions to disputes. my neighbour refuses to turn off his 'i pass my neighbour at 1 am, i go out and shoot him. my wife suspects me of cheating - to hell with hysterics, shoot the asshole! and so on and so forth. . .

Oyb, I can understand your sentiments, and yes I expect some chaos at the onset. Remember the Wild wild west.  Funeral homes will be in big business for maybe the first 2 years. After that reason will set in, the criminal minds will be locked away somewhere for murder, Area boys will have killed each other off, and peace will reign. But what is the alternative? People are currently being killed everyday unfairly. Government is looting public coffers and roads are deteriorating and causing more people to die in accident. Police are shooting the innocent, and Big men are sending thugs out to maim and kill the innocent. This will continue until a radical change happens.

The question is that should people continue to play Possum, and lay down their lives for oppressors to take, or should they be king over their own destinies? My man, if nothing changes, the same thing will continue. The mighty and powerful love the status quo and the common man is reeling with pain and oppression. If these people can get their dignity back, Nigeria surely will no longer be a sleeping giant, but a force to reckon with. "Give me liberty or give me death" - Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Outstrip(f): 1:32am On Feb 28, 2009
Larez I would love to talk to you. About how well you have adjusted in Nigeria since you got back.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by larez(m): 1:39am On Feb 28, 2009
Outstrip:

Larez I would love to talk to you. About how well you have adjusted in Nigeria since you got back.

Sure, you can. If you have MSN messenger you can add me (I don't use it much though; lareza(at)hotmail(dot)com
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Outstrip(f): 1:44am On Feb 28, 2009
Thanks
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Kobojunkie: 4:50am On Feb 28, 2009
Outstrip:

So you say nigerians have no respect for the rights of other individuals but lets arm them all with guns and that will fix that problem? I totally misunderstood you because I just do not see how both lines of reasoning could merge into one.

That, my dear friend is reason why someone like me would like the law to allow me the right to defend myself. It may not cure the headcases, but will give people like me a chance to at least better fight for my self in a land of savages!! roflmao!!
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Jakumo(m): 5:42am On Feb 28, 2009
God created men, and Captain Colt, inventor of the Colt 45 six-gun revolver that tamed the American West, made all men equal.

Nigeria needs the kind of equality that will make armed robbers think twice before they attack a car on the highway, or lay siege on a row of residential houses, as is done on an industrial scale right now thoughout the country.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by bawomolo(m): 5:48am On Feb 28, 2009
Jakumo:

God created men, and Captain Colt, inventor of the Colt 45 six-gun revolver that tamed the American West, made all men equal.

Nigeria needs the kind of equality that will make armed robbers think twice before they attack a car on the highway, or lay siege on a row of residential houses, as is done on an industrial scale right now thoughout the country.

True talk, fire for fire.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by larez(m): 5:59am On Feb 28, 2009
I am glad that you guys are now coming to terms with reality. Now vote for firearms
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Taito007(m): 3:42pm On Feb 28, 2009
I can't believe CAN is making such statement. They are suppose to profer peace at all times no matter what. It obvious they spoke from annoyance, which they are in a better situation to control. Although I see it as a good idea, but such statement should not have come from CAN. Yes we can have it, just to be used at home for protection and there has to be adequate training and information on it usage. It shud not be purchased online but from Govt or recognised Private security institutions (or else everybody will start selling and making guns).
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by olanajim(m): 4:03pm On Feb 28, 2009
@topic,
It is a good proposal that will at least help depopulate the country to manage-able figure!

Like it or not, the northerners, christain or muslin have weapons kept in their ceilings! That is a fact.

Whether killing will solve the problem is another thing entirely. Lest I forget, if CAN think Jos crisis is religious, then it is a delusional thinking! I lived there before, and know that religion was just an excuse. It is a purely political matter. It is about Land, not scriptures. The ealier we admit this, the better it is for the country!

Our constitution is faulty. And our nation states was built upon weak foundation.

Time Bomb? Think twice!
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by JJYOU: 7:02pm On Feb 28, 2009
Taito007:

I can't believe CAN is making such statement. They are suppose to profer peace at all times no matter what. It obvious they spoke from annoyance, which they are in a better situation to control. Although I see it as a good idea, but such statement should not have come from CAN. Yes we can have it, just to be used at home for protection and there has to be adequate training and information on it usage. It shud not be purchased online but from Govt or recognised Private security institutions (or else everybody will start selling and making guns).
it is the duty of christians to tell truth. nigeria is a lawless failed state.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by xavier3(m): 11:47pm On Feb 28, 2009
anybody wey just vex u na bullet go follow am one tym

grin grin grin hehehe
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by bawomolo(m): 3:55am On Mar 01, 2009
the last thing you want to do is commit crime with a registered gun
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Nobody: 6:00am On Mar 01, 2009
bawomolo:

the last thing you want to do is commit crime with a registered gun

registered smegistered - ballistics lab for naija - beans grin cheesy !
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Becomrrich: 6:22am On Mar 01, 2009
Since being back in Nigeria, I have not been impressed much by Nigerian women. They seem to exhibit savagery to some extent. many are money hungry grubbing gold diggers who may be capable of marrying men just to become widows and rich with his wealth. How do you explain mothers who allow their daughters to prostitute as long as they bring cash back.

how do you explain certain parts of Nigeria that are known to be exporters of prostitutes to Europe. I am sure that you have heard Nigerian women describe some guys as Mugu/Maga.

it is so bad that nigeria mothers , brothers and sister are now pimps, pimping thier sister or brother for the highest bidder just for then to get ahead . they have lost thier soul. How on earth directly or indirectly can a mother sell her daughter into  prostitute. they forget the same persom they think is mugu also may have his/her plan to buy a gun and you all one after the other. That is why there is high killing among igbos in nigeria.money and greed.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by joobreel(m): 10:12pm On Mar 01, 2009
what is CAN's business with arms. i bet we re loosing focus due to joblessness. CAN's duty is to pray and regulate the christian body, what has it got to do with carrying arms. abeg, make CAN try focus small.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by praxx(m): 3:17am On Mar 02, 2009
And who says Nigerians don't have access to guns?
Well if one needs a gun one can get it so long as it is registered with the Nigerian police and it is for a legit reason. i remember well in those days i was always applying for a renewal of license for my Dads double barrel
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by kelvinO(m): 2:00pm On Mar 02, 2009
Larez are you a christian? i mean believe in the faith of christ.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Nobody: 4:10pm On Mar 02, 2009
kelvinO:

Larez are you a christian? i mean believe in the faith of christ.

The time of turning around the other cheek is far gone.
Am not even sure it was what Christ meant by that quote. I think he said when someone slaps you, turn the other cheek, but not when someone decides to annihilate an entire race.
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Fhemmmy: 8:22pm On Mar 02, 2009
kelvinO:

Larez are you a christian? i mean believe in the faith of christ.
So because Christ said we should not pay evil with evil is the reason why Christians have to fold arms and watch some useless people all in the name of religion kill their friends, parents and children? Common now, the govt has done nothing so far, and being quiet only could mean one thing, and that one thins is{ sorry you are on your own, defend yourself if you can, else, shut the hell up} and defending oneself means by any means, so fire for fire.

joobreel:

what is CAN's business with arms. i bet we re loosing focus due to joblessness. CAN's duty is to pray and regulate the christian body, what has it got to do with carrying arms. abeg, make CAN try focus small.

And the people that are being killed are not Christians that belongs to the CAN's body
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by kelvinO(m): 11:14am On Mar 03, 2009
Fhemmmy:

So because Christ said we should not pay evil with evil is the reason why Christians have to fold arms and watch some useless people all in the name of religion kill their friends, parents and children? Common now, the govt has done nothing so far, and being quiet only could mean one thing, and that one thins is{ sorry you are on your own, defend yourself if you can, else, shut the hell up} and defending oneself means by any means, so fire for fire.

And the people that are being killed are not Christians that belongs to the CAN's body
nuzo:

The time of turning around the other cheek is far gone.
Am not even sure it was what Christ meant by that quote. I think he said when someone slaps you, turn the other cheek, but not when someone decides to annihilate an entire race.


i asked a simple quesion, why talk for a faith you don't believe in. cos only those that believe in christ would understand this saying "he who kills by the sword shall die by the sword, my ways are not thy ways nor my thougth thy thougth"

i'm not againts your carrying of guns, but why bring christainity into it
Re: CAN Wants Nigerians To Carry Arms (Religious Crisis) by Iranoladun(f): 12:39pm On Mar 03, 2009
I cannot wait to see the day that I will be able to defend my jewelry from being taken by area boys simply by them pointing a gun at me or by sheer bravado
I cannot wait to see the day that I will be able to defend myself against some teenagers desecrating my house in front of my children with just a gun
I cannot wait to see the day that I will be able to defend myself against an unwarranted physical attack by area boys or 'omo onile' at my construction site/down the street because I refused to 'settle' them
I cannot wait to see the day when a Policeman will be highly hesitant to ask the Danfo Driver/Okada rider for 'kola' because he's not sure if the Danfo driver/Okada rider or the passengers are armed
I cannot wait to see the day that walking freely in the street or attending a social event become prohibitory to our thieving politician because of fear of someone in the crowd shooting at the corrupt politician due to his/her embezzlement
I cannot wait to see the day that a girl/woman will be able to protect herself against a rapist or rapists
I cannot wait to see the day that people (especially 'powerful people') become extremely cautious in their utterances/use of abusive words because they do not want to provoke a armed citizen
Getting a gun to protect ourself since the government has failed will be the best option for now and is long overdue.
wink cool

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