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Re: Your God Is Too Small by menesheh(m): 8:25am On Sep 26, 2015 |
hahn: We are just having fun man. Is just jokes. Anybody that takes it personal gat himself to blame. Johnydon22 may or may not be a god until proven that he is. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by menesheh(m): 8:29am On Sep 26, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Show me where he replied you. The only reply you presumably feel you get is only inside your brain 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by hahn(m): 8:34am On Sep 26, 2015 |
menesheh: OK |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by frank317: 8:34am On Sep 26, 2015 |
hahn: Thank you. The most difficult person to argue with is a deluded person who knows he is deluded and tells you he will continue to be deluded no matter what. I easily get frustrated when someone purposely fails to think. How does calling Johnny a god make anything meaningful? How does it drive a point. Shouldn't reasonable adults know that the fact that you have to defend a supposedly existent being day and night signifies his non existent? How long shall we continue like this. And when you try to make him see reason he brings in absurdities and starts asking abstract questions and making unreasonable statements. They say a supposedly intelligent and powerful God created the multi universe and its vastness and every amazing thing. Yet they redicle this special being by likening him to human. He acts like a child when it comes to human issues. I mean, ain't humans just like an invisible dust among his numerous wonderful creations? But with humans he act like a child, getting angry at our desire to play football, have sex or draw a tatoo. He makes silly mistakes and weeps at how the devil (another insignificant creation) is messing up his dearly loved ones. He needs loves and worship like a needy human king and allow humans wonder if he is real. Its tiring when people refuse to think. I really don't know if there is a creator... But please my small brain does not need any magic or some crazy spirit to know that a certain Jewish imaginery deity is not this creator. Its not even possible. If there is really a love desirous creator like Yahweh, shouldnt all his creations know? Why then the argument? 10 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by menesheh(m): 8:37am On Sep 26, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Here is one thing, I been into what you are claiming am naive to. Am been into such worldview you are thriving in. Your limitation is that you are stocked in a particular worldview without allowing yourself to expand your horizon. Atleast to have a taste of other worldview like muslem, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, atheism etc. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by waldigit: 8:40am On Sep 26, 2015 |
Fabrepass: I like taking on Atheist, but obviously not intelectually dwarf ones. |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by hahn(m): 8:40am On Sep 26, 2015 |
frank317: Frank, you just put my thoughts on paper. 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by johnydon22(m): 8:44am On Sep 26, 2015 |
menesheh:Is there any logic you can lay out in order to relate to someone who have denied logic? Is there any reason you exhibit to get someone who has abadoned reason to appreciate reason? One cannot appreciate what he doesn't have. . .i have always affirmed "Faith" as a dishonest position because it simply entails emotional grasp of stoic conviction. asserted against reason and defended against reason, if there is need to believe anything by "faith" there is no reason to believe it at all. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by menesheh(m): 8:51am On Sep 26, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: KingEbukasBlog : hi menesheh Menesheh : hi Ebuka, how are you doing KingEbukasBlog : pretty good man. Are you the owner of this car. Is so amazing. A supercar waw. Menesheh : yea. It cost 500 million naira. KingEbukasBlog : what's your evidence that make you are the owner of this car. Menesheh : didn't you see me driving the car. Am the one with car now therefore it the best evidence i can show you. KingEbukasBlog : no, such evidence is insufficient for a proof of your ownership of such a supercar. Atleast the papers, driving license, where you bought the car, what you're doing to afford such high profile ride etc. Just for a start to proving you own it. Menesheh : can't you see the design of the car, so complex mehn, it points to me owning the car. KingEbukasBlog : crap. Alright. Enjoy. Until you start caring whether your evidence for the unimaginable complexity of the universe is enough to start believing crap. Until you start studying how evidence and substantiation works. You are stocked. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by menesheh(m): 8:57am On Sep 26, 2015 |
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Re: Your God Is Too Small by menesheh(m): 9:07am On Sep 26, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: BOLDED It isn't, we recognize design by contrasting it with things we already know that is designed and those ones that is naturally occurring. You can see a sand dune and claims it was designed by an intelligent person or entity. Sand dune is naturally occurring by the action of blind wind. If you start taking some phenomena that bear the illusion of design just by its complexity, is absurd and can lead you start believing things without good evidence. Can you tell or falsify how an undesigned universe could look like. After that you can contrast it with designed one. This is sort of blind watch maker analogy. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by johnydon22(m): 9:19am On Sep 26, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Oh this childish argument again? i thought i have taught you how this argument doesn't in any way work for you.. The universe is Complex therefore according to you requires a creator, this creator must be super-complex in order to create something as complex as the universe. Now you think the super-complex creator just existed on its own but the universe that is less complex must require a creator..? If complexity connotes design then the complexity of the creator means it must have been designed and created by another super-complex creator that must also have been created by another. This argument based on your assumptive constructs can never go well for you... Hahahahahaha wonder when you will learn how flimsy your argument always are... 6 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by menesheh(m): 9:36am On Sep 26, 2015 |
johnydon22: "God doesn't need a creator because he is eternal" Where'd you hear that? "The Bible!" You mean that book with the talking animals in it? Michael S. 2 Likes |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by johnydon22(m): 9:39am On Sep 26, 2015 |
menesheh:You can imagine. . .Something that supposedly is super-complex doesn't need a creator. But the universe is complex, ooh must need a creator. . .the funny part of this is this guys cannot even identify how the universe works neither do they know the physics and mathematics in the quantum field . But they are banking on what illitrate ancient men who never knew we had other planers wrote... Can you imagine such blatant show of abject idiocy... That's why sometimes i don't engage kids... 5 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by menesheh(m): 9:50am On Sep 26, 2015 |
johnydon22: Ask the person why bible talk about star falling into earth, they will say that you don't have to take the passage literally. Why the fvck must it appear there at the first place. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by Nobody: 10:39am On Sep 26, 2015 |
Jargons! *Yawns* 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by hahn(m): 11:03am On Sep 26, 2015 |
johnydon22: It is becoming apparent that this forum is full of kids who still depend on their parents and society for their thought patterns and free mb to surf the internet. 2 Likes |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by menesheh(m): 11:29am On Sep 26, 2015 |
frank317: It is also a way of ridiculing religion since a person can easily assume a god without nothing. That shows you how all these religious believes got started. Think of what will happen in the case of a totalitarian regime that wants his subjects to worship him and obey whatever he commanded without question. Extend such dictatorial law to the next 1000yrs, then witness the birth of a new ideology. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by frank317: 11:34am On Sep 26, 2015 |
johnydon22: Its tiring and worrisome. I really don't understand what's going on. How can someone argue strongly for ideas that obviously stem from assumptions? The world is complex therefore it must have a creator. And this assumption suddenly becomes their reality to the extent they see anyone who does not agree with this assumption turned reality as unwise. This assumption becomes so real that they starts percieving this being, they start talking to him and believing they are in a relationship. And they tell that to feel him, u must also assume he exist. Yet we are taking about a supposedly intelligent and powerful being. How is it possible? How can this being beg to be believed. How can an intelligent being exist just in the brain if the believer? And wouldn't exist in the brain of an unbeliever he also created. How can his existence be all about assumptions? What does this intelligent powerful being gain if I believe he exists. How does my believe in his existence change anything. Why is it important to someone who created this vast unimaginable universe that I believe in him? 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by johnydon22(m): 11:52am On Sep 26, 2015 |
frank317: You can imagine. . . .Nobody argues over the existence of the earth or believes it by faith, the earth's existence is sure and truer than true. Now i wonder how people shamefully defend a supposedly existential entity who is supposed to be believed by faith.... For simple fact that it is believed by faith and not certainty speaks a lot about the factuality of such postulation.. If there really was such a thing nobody would be arguing over it just like non of us are arguing over the existence of stars or saying we feel a star exist in our heart... People don't always stop to think how absurd they sound sometimes.. 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by dalaman: 12:21pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
I have been following the arguments of the theist on this thread and it just boils down to " Our ignorance is God". What they don't know or do not understand they say it's God. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:52pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
frank317: Some people use the word "deluded" without even knowing it means : We say God exists and 6.5 billion people out of a possible 7.2 billion know he exists because of the numerous physical/natural and supernatural evidences - supernatural encounters , miracles , NDEs , healings . The miserly <500 million who fail to acknowledge this hold a false belief and still remain obdurate about it without seeing the need why these myriad of people hold unto their belief - that's delusion or being deluded I easily get frustrated when someone purposely fails to think. How does calling Johnny a god make anything meaningful? How does it drive a point. It was a joke get over it . Sulking over a joke shows your level of maturity Shouldn't reasonable adults know that the fact that you have to defend a supposedly existent being day and night signifies his non existent? How long shall we continue like this. And when you try to make him see reason he brings in absurdities and starts asking abstract questions and making unreasonable statements. Defending ? We have been giving a mandate and people like you who fail to see the reason why you should know the consequence of their actions . So there wouldn't be excuses when they face the punishments . Letting them know that they'll account for their actions here on earth and these punishments are deterrents for them to live a good life They say a supposedly intelligent and powerful God created the multi universe and its vastness and every amazing thing. Yet they redicle this special being by likening him to human. He acts like a child when it comes to human issues. I mean, ain't humans just like an invisible dust among his numerous wonderful creations? But with humans he act like a child, getting angry at our desire to play football, have sex or draw a tatoo. He makes silly mistakes and weeps at how the devil (another insignificant creation) is messing up his dearly loved ones. This Supreme being - God - plays different roles all out once - Father , Judge , Creator , Miracle Worker , Guardian etc A father wouldn't be mindful of his son's behavior ? As far as you are under the care of your dad , you play by his rules . Sulking or being rebellious over what daddy does not want you to do shows you are the one who is the child and not your dad . Your little fish brain does not see how powerful he is that he is so concerned about the way you live your life . Your little cockroach brain sees it as being childish . Again your little brain will see a rich dad who refuses to buy a toy for his kid at the mall as wicked or foolish . You fail to see his own reason for his action . Better still you are so angry with Him for trying to restrain you from living the life you want to live . You ignorantly resent Him . But off course you can if you are willing to face the consequences of your actions - its that simple . A Judge decides cases in a court . He issues whatever punishments to the offender supposedly according to his actions . If He sees you are evidently guilty he punishes you and if you are not he lets you go . At the end of your lifetime , this Being will be the Judge - to judge you according to your works . Stop sulking and being rebellious and live a good godly life - its that simple . PS : The Almighty owes you no explanation Statement 1 : Its tiring when people refuse to think. I really don't know if there is a creator... But please my small brain does not need any magic or some crazy spirit to know that a certain Jewish imaginery deity is not this creator.Its not even possible. @ bold Wow ! At least you admitted you had a small brain which presumably limits your ability to reason and draw logical conclusions Statement 2 : If there is really a love desirous creator like Yahweh, shouldnt all his creations know? Why then the argument? Looking at statement 1 and 2 , Frank317 possesses a troubled debased confused depraved mind . After typing this "well-thought-out " post , he failed utterly in drawing a logical conclusion - which proves he holds a false belief of the non-existence of a creator . At least I can draw the best inference with his first sentence on this post The most difficult person to argue with is a deluded person who knows he is deluded and tells you he will continue to be deluded no matter what. Indeed you are deluded |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:57pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
dalaman: This is not just pointless but senseless . Atheists : God does not exist because we cant see him or hear from Him. The people who have seen Him and heard from Him are hallucinating or are mentally unstable . LMAO ... sounds like an intelligent thing to say though |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by respect80(m): 4:04pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
I can't believe after the Op have portrayed himself as a knowledge island to come back and say if God exist that humans are of less significance to him because it also means 1.that the level of significance of something is based on its size. No not at all... 2.if evolution was actually true then "the chicken or the egg which came first 3.if evolution is so true why won't our scientists simply stop all the works and research perhaps if evolution could create an animal as beautiful as the zebra then humans have done more injustice to nature than one could ever imagine because with time evolution would have built cars, airplanes, houses, cook for us, bath us without anything influencing it and I believe a car built by evolution would have been more natural and likely not to emit harmful gases to deplete the ozone layer. |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by dalaman: 4:05pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Does the christian religion look like a religion whose God entity exist outside the imaginations of the believers? Look at the countless different sects in the religion with their different conflicting messages, and all of the claim that this same God that is sending different conflicting and contradictory messages to them speaks to them. Is it the same God that speaks to Pastor Kumuyi of deeper life the same God that speaks to Pastor Oyakilome of Christ embassy or Reverend T.D Jakes? Why do they all claim to be speaking to the same God yet their messages are all very different and contradictory? Are you trolling? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by frank317: 4:22pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Good. The next thing is.... We start exchanging words over an imaginery being who is no where to be found. At the end of the day u will end up showing no proof of where the hell he is. It just does not make sense. So as you type u actually think u are speaking on behalf or for the supposedly intelligent all powerful creator? Like is this a joke? I thought of picking ur replies one after the other but then... I just thought... So this guy is speaking for the intelligent creator who created the unimaginable universe filled with awe? I had to stop... If you think anything u said up there prooves ur God, Then ur God must be one big joke. The fact is that I am yet to see any proof of Yahweh or Allah. And in all sincerity, if they actually exist, I am here and waiting for them to make me aware. If they can't, then I see no reason why you are even replying me... Are u God? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by respect80(m): 4:24pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
dalaman:Yes it is only the Bible messages that contradicts but scientific theories do not because saying that humans are expected to give birth to humans and saying man evolved from a smaller cell means the same. |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:29pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
johnydon22: @bold And Christians are not scientists ? Ive seen how many times you have struggled against Christians Ive conversed with here on Nairaland with far superior knowledge of science - davidylan , UyiIyedira , DeepSight etc You're Bleep.ing boasting when you copy off google . WTF . Nigerians ehhh ... LMFAO Anyway I forgive , this BS and sheer ignorance shown here only stays on Nairaland 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:32pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
dalaman: What about others who have the same message ? The same God warns of false prophets . A christian should know the true message because Christ is in Him |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by dalaman: 4:37pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: You keep displaying your delusions all the time. There are different Gods and Goddesses that different people subscribe to in the world today. According to people of other faiths your own God is a false God just as you believe the Gods of others is false. NDEs has nothing to do with God, it can be invoked using certain kind of drugs or under certain laboratory conditions. No clear cut healing using any God has been established anywhere. Like healing of an amputee, something very clear cut. Why can't any God heal amputees and restore their amputated limbs back? There are about over a billion atheist, agnostics and irreligious people in the world, but it is not by numbers. There was a time when the whole world thought the earth was flat with the exception of a very few people. Truth and reality has nothing to do with numbers. 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by dalaman: 4:40pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Most have different messages and they all claim that they have Jesus in them, why shouldn't they be believed? Who are the false prohets among Chris Oyahkilome, T.D Jakes, Pastor Kumuyi and the Catholic Pope for example? Why are all their messages and doctrines different? Every christian claims christ lives in him or her. But we all know that they are just making it up because christ lives only in their heads. 1 Like |
Re: Your God Is Too Small by dalaman: 4:43pm On Sep 26, 2015 |
respect80: Scientific theories are man made and every body acknowledges that fact, a lot of them have been modified and discarded. The bible is the work of men whom they ascribed to a divine entity they imagined and made up, that is why it is to be believed on faith not based on objective evidence. 3 Likes |
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