AnnieOakley:


It goes back to the question: Why don't scientists believe in God, the true God?

adahib:


Totally on point. Religion as we know it emphasizes the principle of "faith" because that is the only way any sane individual can toe such a line of belief. Religion forbids questions, critical thinking and analysis lest it's n.akedness be brought to the fore. Little wonder those who work based on evidence have little or no use for it. It's embraced fully by those who are too lazy to use their brains.

Joshuabase:


larger faith? we simply refuse to abandon logic and bow to the sky worshiping a being that allegedly lives in it.

regardless of whatever the conditions for cells to fully form - or whether free oxygen would've killed it. [b]we know [/b]the primordial cell did form and evolution started because of variations in the environment.

or are you going to say evolution is not real? because there's decades of fossil evidence and anatomical evidence that'll prove you wrong

989900:


"We know", really . . .lol.

Fossils does not prove evolution, it only proves extintion.

And transitional fossils shouldn't be about all the debatable fossils -- it should be littered everywhere like Darwin rightly suggested.

Joshuabase:


did you just say fossils does not prove evolution? - i thought you were smart

and fossils are actually littered every where .... wtf ... where do you people get your information?

Oliviaarims:
One primary reason is that...scientists deal with empirical verification. It is on this basis that their theories are embedded. And being thus far entrenched in this,they reject anything that cannot be empirically proven...and the notion of God is chief amongst them.....


Hahahaha,now I see ppl philosophising. This is good!!








#Philosopher Quëën#

Mindfulness:


Sorry? Stigma? Evident? Where? In the West or in Africa?

One of my dearest mentors, a natural scientist, who retired two years ago, said that his profession didn't make him believe less in a supreme form of intelligence but the more. The more he understood how beautifully and perfectly designed the universe is, the deeper his faith became. This man lives in a country where atheism is en vogue. This is an isolated case but there are plenty of scientists who share his view and those who don't, definitely don't hide them due to some imaginary stigma.

Science and religion are not mutually exclusive.

KingEbukasBlog:


@the pic And the SUPERNATURAL - defies natural laws- could not hasten the movements of those birds ?

neoapocalypse:


You try small sha but it goes beyond proof , empirical or otherwise.

EnlightenedSoul:


Hey there. I was speaking in reference to America. Atheism is hardly en vogue here. I'd wager your mentor resides in Europe, correct?

Well, I'm in dire need of some rest for now. I was helping my neice and nephew bury their pet hamster not too long ago, and I need some sleep and time to hangout, but I'll def come back later to further elucidate on my views.

sonofananimal:
the word science is got from the word sense knowledge.

What you use your five sense organs to perceive and interpret things related to your environment. So nothing will ever make sense to a science man when it comes to spirituality. You know why?

The things of the sprit is far more greater than the things of the physical. And we (Christian) operate mostly of things that deal with spirit that make no ordinary sense to a science man.

theAtheist101:


How was he a Jew (his father a full-blooded German, and his mother an half Jew)?

freecocoa:
He did call himself agnostic.

neocortex:


Not until a mob descend on a person before
you know there is stigma.
corporate workers, contractors and job seekers who have experienced subtle
but destructive stigmas can explain better to you.

About your mentor, he is simply "researching for faith", religion
proponent are so smart to have placed a burden of association
on their members so that whenever they come across any conflicting
information instead of asking more relevant question they choose to
side with their faith.

That is why you will see someone who just discovered how complex
the brain is suddenly shout : "Glory be to god who created this".

Just ask them what is the correlation between brain being complex and
god and they answer with "did you create yourself"

Your last point sound comical;
how can you say evidence and "lack of evidence" are not mutually exclusive ?

Finally, I understand why a no-believe life may sound terrifying to you, it
is known that the most difficult thing to do is change one's believe
even though there is no evidence supporting it.

neocortex:


That is his opinion, the general truth is that most people who
keep to faith do so because of fear of the unknown.
Remove that fear and you will have an untangled simple human
who recognizes his/her own existence as real.

freecocoa:
He did call himself agnostic.

Joshuabase:


the designer analogy is also bogus, to know something was designed, is to have knowledge of how it was designed and also to have knowledge of comparable depth to something that wasn't designed.

eg i know what a beautiful painting looks like, because i've seen ugly ones - if you tell me this universe was designed, then it means you've seen universes that wasn't designed

Mindfulness:


Maybe. Where I live, people are turning away from religion and it is en vogue to call yourself atheist.



How do you know?



So far no scientist has been able to prove that God doesn't exist.



I don't know this kind of people and I have never been given such an answer.



They co-exist, don't they?



You are assuming too much. I was a firm believer and then I decided to become an atheist and along the way I discovered that agnosticism makes more sense TO ME. Careful with your assertions and generalizations. A "no-believe life", as you call it, was in no way terrifying to me.

Joshuabase:


*big sigh*

technically, germ cells are not alive. they simply contain genetic information. and a cell was built using that genetic information.

building a cell from scratch requires protein. scientists have already been able to synthesize protein artificially from ammonia.

neocortex:


I had assumed you are an evangelical theist.
Since you an agnostic, no problem.

@ the bold statement what answer do you normally receive ?

From your moniker will I be right to assume you are pro-buhdism ?

Mindfulness:


I am an agnostic and I embrace Christian core values.

KingEbukasBlog:


I think you are contradicting yourself . If you believe in God then you are sure of His existence .

Mindfulness:


I didn't say I know that God exists, I said I believe that God exists. There is a huge difference between knowing and believing.

KingEbukasBlog:


And I'm saying that if you believe God exists then you are sure He exists . You cant say you believe in God and not sure He exists - it does not make any sense

musicwriter:


That's correct!.

And I explained a bit of that in my youtube lessons. Science do not have the tool to investigate things of the spirit, because the only tool available to science in logic, mathematics, which all adds up to empiricism as it's only instrument.

But, is logic, mathematics, empiricism, the only way to arrive at a conclusion?. Experience shows that's not the case.

The good news is the greatest minds(mentioned in my last lost) that created science itself embraced both spiritualism and empiricism. This's why I believe science is just pitching on a small area of knowledge. As Albert Einstein admitted, there's a vast area of nature still unknown that science seem too limited to investigate. Einstein's exact quote is on @Mindfulness earlier post.

AnnieOakley:
No atheists or agnostics our whatever should be taken seriously who has never read the Bible from cover to cover.

Why?

The very nature of science demands the study of every assertion, irrespective of one's personal belief or disposition.

The very fact that this people spend the better part of their time debunking the existence of a Creator strengthens the long held belief that they know there is a God, but deny His existence because they hate him.

I know there is a God. I just don't want you to discover that only after you've crossed over.

KingEbukasBlog:


And I'm saying that if you believe God exists then you are sure He exists . You cant say you believe in God and not sure He exists - it does not make any sense

Joshuabase:


did you just say reasonings? like what you believe in is reasonable?

a god that kills babies and children? a god that endorsed slavery ? a god that wiped out civilizations?

and yet you'll go to church on sunday and sing "god is love"

richard dawkings says Christians are no different muslims because of their definition of love means killing people.