gregyboy:
[s]Can someone spot were Ryder abandon is benin-ife connection in his book benin and the Europeans, i have well read that article, ryder only talked about benin and European trade relationship and nothing more


So Tao11 must be so possessed with stupidity and obsession, that she is willing to accept anything to throw at me, because it is Europeanly referenced, her demented obsession wont let her think through things before having them paste[/s]

gregyboy:
[s]Tao11 Come here with your rotten teeth and orove were afc ryder abandon his work on ife benin connections

Am still waiting for archeological evidence showing benin and ife connection

And dont you dare post that fabricated benin art found in a suppose ife.... before you begin to let your stinking desperate obsession stink in, i just have to remind you


2) bring evidence, ife made those her artworks or do you want me to create a thread for it[/s]

TAO11:
Like I always say, of all Benin liars you are the dullest.

What you attached is NOT Ryder’s “Benin and the Europeans (1969)” — which is a 372-page book.

Instead, what you attached is a review of Ryder’s book by H. M. Feinberg.

And this review is only a 6-page journal article.

Having exposed that, I kind of find this Feinberg’s article interesting — especially on the 4th page of the article (i.e. page 408 of the journal) as embedded below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12986421_dab360e35aee4b9095d8198927b26edd_jpeg_jpeg6f3b792a6a20fe6b6806c34b736edfb4

Do you still like this article?? LMAO!

In any case, this is NOT Ryder’s 372-page book. Rather, this is Feinberg’s 6-page article.

Cc: Ideadoctor, gomojam, babtoundey, Balogunodua, sesan85, Newton85, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot, MelesZenawi, Olu317, Obalufon, BabaRamota1980

Ideadoctor:
are you taking gregyboy serious? as dumb as the dumbest

TAO11:
Like I always say, of all Benin liars you are the dullest.

What you attached is not Ryder’s “Benin and the Europeans (1979)” which is a 372-page book.

Instead, what you attached is a review of Ryder’s book by H. M. Feinberg. And this review is only a 6-page article.

Having exposed that, I kind of find this Feinberg’s article interesting — especially on the 4th page of the article (i.e. page 408 of the journal) as embedded below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12986307_cd0cad165eb8454db1bd6664c8914eea_jpeg_jpeg2ba98fc2ae49ebb8fa9f398e3f7b7b91

Do you still like this article??

In any case, this is NOT Ryder’s 372-page book. Rather, this is Feinberg’s 6-page article which is only a review.

gregyboy:
I know the truth will fall out from your mouth, i push out myself

Even the sick European lady you referenced such quote, nevered even mentioned how, why, the supposed afc ryder dropped his views on his benin-ife connection

[s]372, page on benin history what was he talking about, even if he had to talk on all the works he wrote on benins it still wont amount to such page, lets just assume he was talking on other African history along side the benin history

I can bet my two balls you don't have the book written by afc ryder, containg the 372 page book he wrote

If you do let get a screenshot of him disproving the benin-ife connection from his book or shut up and stop using me to keep your retard self busy

Or else you're just one demented obsessed bi polar, cat mark face lady living in ibadan[/s]

gregyboy:
[s]Was that screenshot necessary, was it pertaining to what we were discussing

Or were you indirectly telling me you found evidence to my questions on the validity of ogendegbe history in edo

Are you expecting me to accept this screenshot because it was written by a European who was never an eye witness, or even thinking of visting africa, at that time, that is if he was even born then

Lets get this straight am only accepting old European and african written written records of yorubas before 1914, just to be fair, because if you make it difficult for me now like you're doing i may request you to be bringing European eye witness account on yorubas or nothing more

Just to be fair not to stair up hate from your fellow yoruba kingsmen i made things easier it seem you're now abusing such privilege by posting anything on my face, because it was written by Europeans


Warn yourself dont provoke me[/s]

TAO11:
Who is the sick European lady?

Gregyboy is a dullard ••• Yes we know. Why is he a dullard? ••• That is for him to answer. We can only observe that he is a dullard.

Like I always say, Professor Elizabeth A. Isichei & Professor U. Isichei have cited a reference to Ryder’s work — noting that he abandoned his prior hypothesis.[An hypothesis not even a finding].

If you must verify that from the material they cited (Ryder, 1969); that is parents responsibility — not theirs, neither mine.

Their duty (and my hence duty) is to simply cite the book in question — Ryder, 1969 — which they have done.

It is now your parents’ duty to buy you the book — not their duty and not my duty.

gregyboy:
[s]We having a debate you bring in your materials and evidence to debate to help you win


But ni Tao11 wants me to keeo talking while she is stepping on her brain


You need to go and meet your privilege parents to get you the book that is your only hope to save
You from me, in include youre drankard and a pibloar patient[/s]

TAO11:
Dull gregyboy is now running away from his own evidence which backfired against him.

Anyways, thank you for attaching it and for helping me make your evidence go viral.

TAO11:
No, I am obliged to simply cite the materials.

And your parents are supposed to do the buying for you. Not me.

Stop making excuses for your generally poor parents.

gregyboy:
[s]I never used that screenshot for edo-ibadan raid i used it to prove ryder validation in benin-ife connection
You're the fool who used it for such reasons
I have given you the criteria for me to accept the edo -benin wasnt a myth
You're yet to provide any
You're sick you know that[/s]

TAO11:
The bottom line: Your own authority slaughtered you.

And that’s not even Ryder first of all.

Learn to live with the disgrace.

This too shall soon pass.

gregyboy:
[s]Now you're trolling not giving evidence

Am not in for trolling, i will take a screenshot of the various comment incase for a future reference[/s]

gregyboy:


www.nairaland.com/attachments/12986903_beninife_jpeg6a7a60b85f1e96049f54408a72807f5b

Trolling again with no evidence

TAO11:
I am only obliged to cite materials — which I have done.

Buying books for you is a no no for me.

I am not one of your family members.

Cry to your parents.

Are they so poor?

TAO11:
I dey hustle my money ••• You wan follow me chop am ••• Na me bring you come Lagos? ••• I resemble your papa?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12985414_34b5d00d7efa48018a84fafa579e6cc9_jpeg_jpeg5324120ac029a7bdce8f7e49ab3e0bf4

(1) Four years after the hypothesis in the above attachment has been put forward by A. F. C. Ryder; he himself is reported in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei to have abandoned his own hypothesis.

These professors of African history note in their joint work, “A History of Nigeria”, as follows:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”

Reference:
https://books.google.com/books?id=96ZzAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=northern+kingdom

Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137.


(2) Furthermore to this, even if Ryder had failed to retrace his steps, his hypothesis (which has yielded no result till date) has been devastatingly debunked by many subsequent research — one of which is by Robin Horton which I have particularly expounded on at the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575

gregyboy:
[s]Trolling won't save you, am using the works of afc ryder not because he is the only author who disproved benin-ife connection but is works is easily accessible to me[/s]

[s]While you try to disprove afc ryder works, also be prepared for the others am yet to take time to search for[/s]

gregyboy:



www.nairaland.com/attachments/12986988_beninife_jpeg6a7a60b85f1e96049f54408a72807f5b

TAO11:
No, I am disgracing you, not trolling you. Big difference.

Also, Ryder didn’t disprove anything, he simply suggested an hypothesis in 1965.

Grab an Edo dictionary an English dictionary for the meaning of “suggestion” and “hypothesis”.

I am not trying to disprove Ryder’s work.

Instead, Ryder is said by Professor Elizabeth A. Isichei, by Professor Peter U. Isichei, by Professor Adam Knobler (among others) to have abandoned his earlier 1965 hypothesis in his 1969 work.

So, take it up with these Professors of African history, or you frustrate your parents to buy you Ryder’s 1969 book so you can disgrace all these Professors.

gregyboy:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12986988_beninife_jpeg6a7a60b85f1e96049f54408a72807f5b

TAO11:
gregyboy my rag:

Note that I will have to re-copy and paste some of the disgraceful (for Benin kingdom) comments here to the new page in case this hits page 4.

Just so you know, in case that’s your plan.

gregyboy:
[s]The thread has ended already, anything beyond this is a waste. Let the viewers judge not we[/s]

gregyboy:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12986988_beninife_jpeg6a7a60b85f1e96049f54408a72807f5b

gregyboy:
[s]Provide me the afc ryders books, that he dropped off his benin-ife hypothesis. Am still waiting[/s]

[s]Or you can provide me written documents on benin-ife connection dating 1400 to 1897[/s]

TAO11:
The Professors (E. A. Isichei, P. U. Isichei, Adam Knobler) have already cited the specific work of Ryder under consideration here.

Tell your parents to buy it for you. Hold them tight.

Here is how your Bini daddies insisted adamantly to Captain Ernst Roupell in 1897 that the Oba of Benin is descended from Ife-Yoruba. See attached:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12987303_6a1612026ee04297ac49eb2df92ce6c2_jpeg_jpeg1172f81492a76047da1dd27be2301419

The Yorubas never pointed a gun at your daddies’ skulls for them to have insisted adamantly to Roupell in 1897 that the Benin monarchy comes from Ife-Yorubaland.